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Thursday, 15 February, 2007

  • Newsnight
  • 15 Feb 07, 07:26 PM

gun203100b.jpgAnother gun killing in south London - have we developed our own style of gun culture and what if anything can stop the carnage?

Has your life been touched by gun crime? Share your experiences.

The high court brands the government's nuclear consultation process "unfair" and "unlawful" - is this the product of a "sofa style" approach to policy making.

And the continuing struggle to bring the Khmer Rouge to justice more than 30 years after Year Zero in Cambodia.

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  • 1.
  • At 10:18 PM on 15 Feb 2007,
  • michael wrote:

Surely it is not beyond modern technology to arm the police with a hand held device which detects if a person is carrying a knife or a gun. It may be used in much the same way as a portable speed camera, except it detects weapons.

  • 2.
  • At 10:34 PM on 15 Feb 2007,
  • Liam Coughlan wrote:

With mass saturation of the gun story and high court case regarding the nuclear consultation process, on all the news channels, its off to Question Time on 主播大秀1 for me this evening.

  • 3.
  • At 11:02 PM on 15 Feb 2007,
  • Bryan Williamson wrote:

I agree that there are many complex issues that contribute to the issue of gun crime amongst young people, but there is a fundamental issue; Where are these kids getting hold of the guns? If carryng a gun is ilegal how are they getting them so easily?
I'm the biggest hip hop head out there but I believe certain rappers such has 50 Cent are making money out of glamourising guns and drug dealing which can influence vulnerable and impressionable young people.

  • 4.
  • At 11:04 PM on 15 Feb 2007,
  • lois austin wrote:

Not surprisingly the representative from the police authority refused to talk about resources. I am a tenants organiser in southwark. We have no youth club, because southwark council closed it down and despite a struggle by the community to get it re-opened the council refused. We have to struggle for every penny to get any investment in our area and it usually comes from charity organisations. Social housing has been sold off and market rented and there is little financial support to stay on in education or training. Young people are given little or no resources and yet continually demonised by politicians and the media. Instead of youth clubs we have asbo's. We all want an end to violent crime but to be tough on the causes of crime means to be tough on poverty and inner city areas starved of funds with services privatised or closed down. This week it was reported that Britian is the worst industrialised country for children to grow up in, lets do something to change that.

  • 5.
  • At 11:09 PM on 15 Feb 2007,
  • Barbara wrote:

Ref. Discussion on nuclear power so-called 'consultation' - did anyone else notice the London skyline behind Mr. Darling? Energy saving measures? If he'd turned round and looked behind him, he might have seen where to make a start....

  • 6.
  • At 11:15 PM on 15 Feb 2007,
  • Richard Marques-Jones wrote:

It was a shame that Pikki's point about the lack of variety amongst youth club provision didn't provoke some very useful debate. He was so astute in his comment that not every black kid wants to be a rapper. Having spent 6 years as youth worker in Manchester I often despaired at the numerous events and inititiatives that helped perpetuate the black stereotypes.
The focus of all the hard work was at times misguided and all too often on promoting 'kultcha'.
Every new promotional/educational video I watched, showed a young black male rapping, mc-ing or dancing. Never reading, studying, innovating, grafting etc.
Most youth centres, even in predominantly white suburbs offered mostly dj-ing and mc-ing as their main attraction. Yes it's fun but it's not going to prepare them for the harsh, competitive adult world that awaits.
The media should highlight the work of articulate and insightful black men such as Pikki, not to mention the countless other positive role models nationwide.

  • 7.
  • At 11:21 PM on 15 Feb 2007,
  • lisa rowe wrote:

1 children with guns?
2 who are their role models?

ans
1 Yes
2 violent interactive games

why?
1 materialistic culture
too aquire what the 'jones' have
parents both out working to buy everything new
2 no role models at home to monitor childrens activities
3 parents too tied at the end of day so--- spoil, give in to childrens demands for peace and quiet
4 children have no boundaries.
BOUNDERIES GIVE SECURITY
5 no bounderies insecurity sets in
6 lost and insecure where do they turn?
7 to the role model they know the media and video games

  • 8.
  • At 12:18 AM on 16 Feb 2007,
  • Liam Coughlan wrote:

Sending armed police onto the streets of South London? They may be carrying weapons, but what good is a machine gun when your hands are tied behind your back? Can you imagine the headlines and outrage if an armed policeman shot a black teenager there even if he was carrying a gun in a threatening way. The police know that the price for using their weapons will be immediate suspension, lenghty investigation, media intrusion and a punitive compensation case. So the Government is fooling nobody with this token show of force.

A criminal justice system that would impose harsh uncomfortable sentences would be a good start. A zero tolerance of crime would be a good next. What this country needs is more professional police, and less smoking, parking, litter and other officials with police powers.

At the same time, the State should invest in young people through education and facilities. It is shameful to see community groups having to go on ITV and beg for cash for community activities and centres from the likes of Jeffrey Archer and Duncan Ballintine who gave away a million pounds in this appalling TV series.

  • 9.
  • At 01:52 AM on 16 Feb 2007,
  • Manjit wrote:

Can someone from Newsnight explain what a 'sofa style of Government' has to do with todays judgement by Mr Justice Sullivan? Repeating Lord Butler remark, it just seemed messers Crick and Esler were getting there pop in at the Government.

Fair play to Mr Darling he gets a great deal of stick for being a)Scottish and b) a friend of Gordon Brown. But I felt he handled himself very well on Newsnight and very rarely for a politican was prepered to acknowledge the errors that his department had made. Perhaps that is what shocked Mr Esler so much and led him to make some jibe about 'sofa Government'? Let's have a bit more quality rather than the cheap Daily Mail agenda!

  • 10.
  • At 09:03 AM on 16 Feb 2007,
  • Paul D wrote:

In a bout of ill conceived populism and riding high on a recent election victory, the government of the day responded to Dunblane with a blanket ban on handguns.

Today, the country is full of them only they are all illegal, so none are registered, nobody knows who has them or where they came from and most are untraceable.

Let's hear it for good government!

  • 11.
  • At 01:13 PM on 16 Feb 2007,
  • Maurice - Northumberland wrote:

Who said:-
"things can only get better"
and
"we will change Britain forever"

There is the problem, otherwise known in some quarters as 'Achievement'.

  • 12.
  • At 02:32 PM on 16 Feb 2007,
  • Dickie Dawkins' lovechild wrote:

I applaud newsnight for giving a voice to intellectual powerhouses like Pikki. Wow, that guy really gave a powerful insight into... em...
Anyway, this week's moral panic is guns; I wonder what next week's will be?

  • 13.
  • At 09:37 AM on 17 Feb 2007,
  • wrote:

Sadly I missed both the programme and yesterday's opportunity to view it online - please consider archiving!

However I did get the promo email, which started with a 'joke' (the one at the end was funny:

"One guy in a bar licked his finger, then touched a girl's shirt, then said
"Hey, baby, how about we get out of these wet things?"
Classy, eh?

Followed immediately by 'In tonight's programme":

SHOOTING
Another gun killing in south London last night.

Classy, eh?

  • 14.
  • At 09:05 AM on 19 Feb 2007,
  • Laurence Carey wrote:

Far too frivolous a treatment when neighbouhoods have been traumatised and parents have lost their children while under their protection.

  • 15.
  • At 01:38 PM on 19 Feb 2007,
  • wrote:

i heard a woman who was beaten by her ex who was released several times, without charges,saying that she is in favour of police getting more powers until i told her that giving police more powers without her help means that her son too could get arrested without a witness,considering a domestic situation,evidence and dont forget it allowing police to prosecute without evidence is in itself criminal.

  • 16.
  • At 02:21 PM on 29 Feb 2008,
  • wrote:

why should poeple get away with killing rape and other. why do they do these thing little children are so at risk there should not be people should not be scared to walk at there door not knowing if there life is in danger i think hanging the people will teach then right form wrong i hate hearing on the news that a litlle girl gone missing it upsets me

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