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  • 22 Feb 07, 07:10 PM

gun203.jpgOn the day Tony Blair outlines new measures to tackle gun crime we examine the government's record on the issue.

Plus, protecting Prince Harry in Iraq; Michael Meacher's pitch for PM; and what now after Iran's failure to comply with an IAEA deadline for suspending uranium enrichment?

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  • 1.
  • At 07:57 PM on 22 Feb 2007,
  • James Davies wrote:

Prince Harry would have been better served if a D notice had been placed upon the press and lifted when his regiment was at least a month into their mission in Iraq. If such practice is good enough to be used for top politicians visiting Iraq, it should be good enough for a member of the Royal Family.

  • 2.
  • At 10:44 PM on 22 Feb 2007,
  • A man motivated for a better quality socialism wrote:

A better quality of socialism is needed for all...

The motives for gun crime need to be removed...they can be forecast and anticipated..

The fights of economic competitiveness have got worse ...competitiveness could be assisted ....as it used to be...towards constructive objectives and out of sh!t socialism...

Society needs a better quality socialism...better quality socialism works... but it can deteriorate everywhere without a social management structure that knows how to deal with it and refocus it by empowering abilities to achieve what is wanted...

Thatcherism removed that..she and her ilk don't think people are worth bringing up...

Blairism encouraged vicious fighting winding up and deceitful economics that win with the breakdown of trust

The enforcements, punishments, tough loves, redistribution, denial, futilism, nihilism, and rejectionism, exclusion, disablement, culture prevents natural opportunitism to show off what we are fans of...and represses people into rebellion and destruction or criminal justice

A better quality of socialism is needed for all...

  • 3.
  • At 10:52 PM on 22 Feb 2007,
  • Paul Bower wrote:

Re: promised gun law changes......Will it also be illegal to belong to gangs such as the IRA and will the weapons of such and similar "gangs" be outlawed?

  • 4.
  • At 10:53 PM on 22 Feb 2007,
  • r a hagston wrote:

All legal fire-arms were banned after
dunblane. this smokescreen from the government is to hide the fact that this country is flooded from abroad by illegal guns. this is the problem this goverment has to solve. not making gestures and headline grabbing that they are going to ban replicac guns of which 99.9% cannot be made into fireable guns. 主播大秀 secretary "guns are Cruel not cool"
quote rubbish

  • 5.
  • At 10:55 PM on 22 Feb 2007,
  • Garnet wrote:

As a ligitimate firearms holder I am dismayed at the current violence involving illegal firearms. Pistols were withdrawn from legitimate holders, at enormous expense, some years ago with no positive effect. In fact its much worse now judged by all available statistics. The costs incurred would have been better served in providing police with funds to combat illegal possession using measures aired on your program.
As allways the technology is benign its the people who behave in unaaceptable ways who should receive draconian restriction and control.

  • 6.
  • At 11:01 PM on 22 Feb 2007,
  • Garnet wrote:

As a ligitimate firearms holder I am dismayed at the current violence involving illegal firearms. Pistols were withdrawn from legitimate holders, at enormous expense, some years ago with no positive effect. In fact its much worse now judged by all available statistics. The costs incurred would have been better served in providing police with funds to combat illegal possession using measures aired on your program.
As allways the technology is benign its the people who behave in unaaceptable ways who should receive draconian restriction and control.

  • 7.
  • At 11:01 PM on 22 Feb 2007,
  • Robert wrote:

Sorry, but the minister is living in cookook land. FSS do not really have an up to date database for gun crime . Not every force uses it and so it can never be up to date! Working for the FSS I see that the current situation is that ACPO and police forces in general continue to undermine its (the FSS's) current position as a Gov Co and will eventually cause its complete and utter demise.

The goernment, in the form of Hazel Blears, has effectively raped the FSS of its potition within the UK law enforcement agancies. By hiving it off to private enterprise the public will eventualy pay more for its forensic sercices, which includes the gune crime aspect as well as things lime DNA. Vert litle or no research will be done to continue to pus theboundaries as we have seen in the ofrm of DNA etc.

It is about time the government woke up to its responsibilities in terms of crime and social problems and re took charge of this (forensic matters) and other aspect of law enforcement and crime investigation in general. Before long it will collapse completely!!!!

RPK

Well at least his fellow combatants will have the latest body armour and communications equipment when they are looking after Harry. What a farce and PR excercise.

  • 9.
  • At 11:24 PM on 22 Feb 2007,
  • Darren Ross wrote:

I look to Newsnight for informed opinion rather than mere gossip, so why exactly was Piers Hernu brought onto the programme to comment on Prince Harry and the role of British forces in Iraq? With all due respect to Mr Hernu, there can be few more serious topics than Iraq right now so why do we have to have the views of someone who has no idea about the military or about operational matters in Iraq, and whose only real sphere is editing lads' mags?

  • 10.
  • At 11:36 PM on 22 Feb 2007,
  • Michael Atkins wrote:

I felt that the gun crime coverage displayed palpable bias. The guns shown in the clip with the gunsmith were all prohibited weapons, under section 5 of the 1968 Firearms Act. Holding such firearms requires the authority of the 主播大秀 Secretary, not the police. No suggestion was made that the employment of a highly skilled gunsmith for "about an hour and a half" to convert a de-activated gun to a working model would in itself cost a considerable sum (and that a similar, but fully-functioning firearm could probably be obtained illegally for less cost). Neither was any comment advanced on the availability of sufficiently skilled (and presumably criminally-minded) gunsmiths prepared to perform such conversions. Such people would be very easy to trace. The interviewer's attempt to conflate the two issues of legally-held firearms with any illegal activity was, to my mind, a very poor piece of journalism, apparently fuelled by an emotive and unprofessional prejudice rather than an objective questioning designed to elicit a measured response. Altogether a very poor and biased article which did nothing to enhance the reputation of the 主播大秀.

  • 11.
  • At 11:36 PM on 22 Feb 2007,
  • Bill Bradbury wrote:

It's all Talk, talk, talk, gesture,gesture, gesture with nothing changed since Dunblane apart from criminalising ligitimate sports shooters. In fact matters have got worse.
Police will do nothing except react to the next and next and next killing. In fact in one of the worse gun areas, Manchester, the Chief Constable is on record that before they will do anything like stop a stolen motorcyclist without a helmet, (2 breaches of the law) he has to do a risk assessment in case it is dangerous to his Officers!!!
Just imagine this 999 conversation:-"I'm being robbed" "Is he armed?" "Could be". "Sorry it's a bit risky. Can you sort it out yourself? Any problems we may be around in a few days after we have met our other motorists/Government targets".
That's what the police like, nice easy convictions with little trouble.

They know where the guns are coming into this country and from where they are being bought but very little action except hand wringing.

  • 12.
  • At 12:42 AM on 23 Feb 2007,
  • Brian Kelly wrote:

We already have legislation for the 18yr olds to receive the same 5yr detention as the over 21s if found guilty of gun crimes ...but reportedly it's never been successfully enforced...Why? ...it's just like so many other legislations... NOT used for the purposes intended/not thought through, & the fault must lie within the 主播大秀 Office...that says it all!
(i.e How many people have you seen on their mobiles whilst driving...how many have you seen getting away with it? in sight of the law enforcers..have a look around when next driving , at your own habits also, what are the conviction statistics? very, very low..Any vehicle is a very heavy calibre bullet that can kill..& it's said to be as dangerous as drink driving!)
Michael Meacher says he is a contender for the office of PM... cannot really take this seriously, being sceptical, he will make Gordon Brown look VG ...if thats possible!Charles Clarke would present a real battle of the heavyweights..a real challenge..I wonder!

  • 13.
  • At 05:10 AM on 23 Feb 2007,
  • chris wrote:

Not exactly on topic I know but I think this move of the government on proposed restrictions regarding photography in public places is another step towards a police state. Can we have some investigation on it please Mr Baron?

  • 14.
  • At 01:09 PM on 23 Feb 2007,
  • dicky wrote:

re protecting the prince

the head of state is a ceremonial role. No need any more to keep it privatised in the hands of a single family. It can be elected like a mayor on a civil service pay scale. No need to 'own all the foreshore' or have mineral rights. What other civil servant has those kinds of things for a ceremonial role of opening bridges and launching ships?

  • 15.
  • At 01:54 PM on 23 Feb 2007,
  • Cathy Rowson wrote:

I can understand the Deputy Chair of the Met Police Authorities frustration. Tools to manage and control guns in this country was supposed to have been implemented ten years ago. But, as ever this initiative went down the priority list as soon as the media turned its attentions elsewhere. I find it unfathomable that ever rising gun figures can pass under the noses of politicians and create no action until the media highlights the issue again.
I also think we should keep site of the underlying problem of social inclusion and deprivation which lead to young people turning to weapons in the first place. So little government funding is actually directed to crime 'prevention', as opposed to crime 'reaction'. Only by acting apon this realisation on a large scale can we turn our society round.

  • 16.
  • At 02:37 PM on 23 Feb 2007,
  • Brian Kelly wrote:

REFERENCE POST 13, I/we should all back this petition if we believe in democracy:
Reportedly..."There are a number of moves promoting the requirement of 'ID' cards to allow photographers to operate in a public place."

This really is "Big Brother" governance!

  • 17.
  • At 07:11 AM on 24 Feb 2007,
  • wrote:

I guess it has passed from media interest already, and don't know how many revisit these pages over subsequent days, but following Newsnight's piece earlier in the week I was wondering if anyone else watched Dr. Ladyman's webcast on the road petition this day?

Actually, in addition to a few other questions that seem a bit shy on coherent answers, I am still wondering who of the two guests were correct on the matter of what was or what was not said by Dr. Ladyman at the outset of this issue: him or the Sun chap?

When the latter says it is on record and the former says it is not, I really like to know.

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