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Wednesday, 13 February, 2008

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  • 13 Feb 08, 05:05 PM

Mysterious death of Georgian billionaire

georgian203x100.jpgA billionaire and opposition leader from the former Soviet state of Georgia was found dead in his home in Surrey last night. He'd been accused of trying to foment a coup in his native country, and just weeks ago, he claimed that the authorities in Georgia wanted him dead. Surrey police are treating his death as suspicious. It鈥檚 possible they will conclude that died of a simple heart attack. But why did he believe his life was in danger? We're investigating.


Is China fit to host the Olympics?

Steven Spielberg has decided to quit as artistic adviser to the because of China's relationship with Sudan. Human rights groups have wasted no time in reminding the world of a host of other reasons why China's fitness to hold the Olympics is questionable. Should multi-million dollar of the games follow Spielberg's lead? Or is engagement with China the right way forward?


BAe

A judicial review of the Serious Fraud Office's decision to halt the inquiry in to BAe's relationship with Saudi Arabia is due to start tomorrow. Newsnight will be analysing some of the documents that are likely to form a key part of the court case. They suggest that there was considerable political pressure for the inquiry to be halted a long time before it was.


Culture in schools

School children in England will be offered five hours of a week, we learnt today. Is the government right to set store by such forms of learning? And why has it not been a priority until now? A top scientist and the musician Nitin Sawnhey will join Jeremy.

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HUMAN RITES

China, Britain, BAE, Olympic "Games" - the dance of deceit goes on. The question (China's fitness)is wrongly posed. I would ask: "Is humanity fit for anything?"

  • 2.
  • At 08:09 PM on 13 Feb 2008,
  • steve wrote:

Whilst we hand wring over China, can we spare a thought for the mayhem that is Iraq right now, maybe Steven Speilberg can organise a protest on behalf of the many thousands dead...the result of 'American' foreign policy, just a thought.

  • 3.
  • At 09:06 PM on 13 Feb 2008,
  • Bedd Gelert wrote:

But if Andy Burnham's skewering this morning shows anything, it is that with 拢15 quid a year per pupil budget, and zilch buy-in so far from teachers, and Govt. commitment amounts purely to it being an 'aspiration', people will remember the headline about '5 hours a week of culture' long after the fact that it is unlikely to ever see the light of day is uncovered..

This whole thing smacks of promising kids vitamin supplements because they can't be @r$ed to improve school food.

Couldn't you cajole John Tusa into coming on ? He has some trenchant views on how culture and the arts have been hijacked, because some imbeciles start bandying around loaded words like 'elitism'.

And if anyone wants a depressing view of how little people care about the arts in this country, pop over to Iain Dale's blog where philistines have truly taken over the asylum..

  • 4.
  • At 11:11 PM on 13 Feb 2008,
  • anne wotana kaye wrote:

Patarkatsishvili appears to have been an economic asylum seeker, even if perhaps at the top of the range. It is disgraceful that the UK has become the backdrop for deeds far more suitable for a James Bond movie, than the genteel golf green areas of Surrey, or the glittering establishments of Mayfair and Park Lane. It seems that the socialists of Nu Labour will allow anyone to live here, grant them the right to buy up property, inflating prices which are already beyond the means of most native-born true citizens, and do not care that we are filling the country with expensive rubbish. In addition to our youth busily engaged shooting and knifing each other, we now have the more sophisticated East European style of murder, even using radioactive poisons as was the case in the not too distant past. Is making a quick profit worth the price of having "button men" despatched to murder in our already lethal country?

  • 5.
  • At 11:19 PM on 13 Feb 2008,
  • George Edwards wrote:

A bit rich, "Terror State". I live and work in Beijing - it is not a terror or even a police state, in many ways freer than UK for the vast majority of citzens. Don't imagine the rising professional and iddle classes are ignorant of the problems, but they feel they have bigger worries right now than pleasing the west on human rights and Democracy (a la G Bush??)BIgger concerns like poverty in the countryside and modernisation.

I agree with Jeremy's comment and question on newsnight about the difference between arts and science. Science is mistaught as mechanistic explanation. As a science teacher of some nine years experience we fail to include the philosophy and meaning of science. Indeed we destroy the heart and soul of science, and its creativity. Yet this learning from the arts is so heavily ironic. All we need to do is to listen to our modern writers, artists, poets... and we listen to a critique of our school system. Our government uses innovation as a way of discussing issues within the narrow, safe boundaries that fail to explore what our schools are doing to our children and their views of learning and themselves.

On Monday 25th February I have organised events at the House of Commons and City Hall celebrating and exploring the oldest co-operative and democratic school Summerhill, and the state school St Georges-in-the-East. We need to remember what is possible in our schools... to think what if? Not to close our minds through innovating...

  • 7.
  • At 11:47 PM on 13 Feb 2008,
  • Nic Brough wrote:

5 hours of culture would be good, but let's get the priorities straight.

Our schools are turning out pupils who don't have basic skills in mathematics, economics, critical thinking (which is what "science" is all about), or usable life skills.

I know that culture is something that really should be taught, but we are currently failing miserably to do even the basics, so let's re-introduce some cultural teaching alongside some proper skills.

Paxman mentioned the symbol for magnesium - that really isn't the point of science. We can look up the periodic table any time, but science teaches people to think properly, and that seems to be missing nowadays.

  • 8.
  • At 11:51 PM on 13 Feb 2008,
  • Inspector Clouseau wrote:

Interesting about the Georgian. Good discussion about China; particularly good was the Conservative Euro MP; what is his name again please?

  • 9.
  • At 11:55 PM on 13 Feb 2008,
  • Dominic wrote:

Debates about culture in schools? Haven't the people running the country even worked out how to educate children yet? Blithering fools! How hard can it be to work out what subjects should be taught?

  • 10.
  • At 11:59 PM on 13 Feb 2008,
  • Peter Knapp wrote:

Even as someone who works in the arts, I believe it is essential school children must leave school with an understanding of the sciences. As a 'creative' person, I am nonetheless fascinated by developments in the sciences and find its theories at least as grounding, challenging and capable of providing a belief/value system as the arts.

It was therefore disappointing to hear Jeremy say 'what's the point of knowing what the symbol of magnesium is?' - a question a irrelevant as 'what's the point of knowing what onomatopoeia is?' when he knows full well it is the totality of the knowledge that's important. It provides a network for understanding and science in particular allows people to make rational choices based on evidence - essential in this ever irrational world.

If you want to know what global warming is and what to do about it, what food is healthy to eat and why or how people's ethnic differences are (biologically speaking) are irrelevant, then you need a grounding in science.

I'd prefer those 5 hours to be spent trying to teach a sense of wonder and interest in ideas - whether in the arts or the sciences.

  • 11.
  • At 12:15 AM on 14 Feb 2008,
  • Lionel Tiger wrote:

Downgrading Science to 'an art' is the chilling Socialists means of subterfuge. Science stands alone as a means to solve problems. Art does not solve problems without scientific construct. Advances in science have been responsible for radical technological changes that have enabled culture and the arts to develop. The electric guitar, the compact disc, the loudspeaker. Yes the science behind nature has beauty, but it offers society so much more. The motor vehicle, the medicine cabinet, the internet. "...and as the band played on the deck of the Titanic, the gaping hole in the bow yielded to be swallowed by the depths of the ocean, while I pondered the fact that every atom of my body was created in the sun...". Ignore science at your peril.

  • 12.
  • At 12:21 AM on 14 Feb 2008,
  • anne wotana kaye wrote:

Is it not enough we are introducing vermin repeller devices where teenagers congregate to offend their ears. If we don't succeed in ruining their hearing in one way, we will have another trick up our sleeves. We will probably play esoteric music to captive audiences, music such as Edith Sitwell chanted to. Shades of "A Clockwork Orange".

  • 13.
  • At 12:36 AM on 14 Feb 2008,
  • wrote:

Excellent Jeremy tonight particularly on the debate on China with Ed Macmillan-Scott, Hugh Davies & Will Hutton and also with Alexander Nekrassov. :-)

  • 14.
  • At 06:33 AM on 14 Feb 2008,
  • wrote:

The including of -arts as culture- into the school timetable looks like a trick by the government that makes it look like it is doing something useful for learning, when in actual fact, it might not be the case.

However, it is better than nothing.

To not change the other subjects, like science, other than to push them into different slots, is quite a subtle shift that appears like a large shift. Because of the time pressures already in place in education, there won't even be a shift! Even better idea, because it can't even be implemented, it won't!

On the subject of science, Professor Jim Al-Khalili spoke brilliantly about science and then art. They are different subjects, but in some ways they are also closely related.

More practicals should be introduced into science to evoke wonder and interest. Kids are not going to get into anything unless they are interested in the first place.

Like before it will be noticed that the learning taking place within science will not be changed by this idea and as a result, that is the idea of the idea!

Claire

  • 15.
  • At 06:35 AM on 14 Feb 2008,
  • Mahmud Ibrahim wrote:

I hope the "concience" of Steve Spielberg would also not allow billions of dollars of even more deadlier arms shipment to Israel by the US which has only brought death and destruction to the Palestinians over the decades.

Alas, i forgot the rule is different when his co-relioginists are involved!

  • 16.
  • At 10:42 PM on 14 Feb 2008,
  • bholmes wrote:

BAE SYSTEMS-see Yes Minister `The Moral Dimension` 1982
No change then!!

  • 17.
  • At 04:41 AM on 17 Feb 2008,
  • wrote:

"Like before it will be noticed that the learning taking place within science will not be changed by this idea and as a result, that is the idea of the idea!"

Should read:

"Like before it will be noticed that the learning taking place within schools will not be changed by this idea and as a result, that is the idea of the idea!"


Also, why have I got a double post?!

Referring to poster no 17, by bholmes, the comment about "BAE SYSTEMS- see Yes Minister `The Moral Dimension` 1982", very true.


The culture in education idea, about the idea that does nothing but only be an idea, is such a great idea, that the idea of it being more than just an idea, if at all possible, that it could even be more than an actual idea, would have been a less than great idea than had it been if it was just as before, which was to be just a simple idea, which of course, would be no idea at all.

Now that's, Yes Minister and Yes Prime Minister thinking for you.

Claire


Claire

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