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So there was , just as he was on the point of explaining why (it seems Berlusconi was keen to look more of a realist in these bleak times), he was dragged away to talk to the , a man who says the bid process is more taxing then managing a city of 13 million people.

Just as the Japanese and Italian politicians conferred around a corner came leading to a supporter of Rio saying exultantly: "This is the new reality in these times of economic hardship. When did the governor of the central bank of a country come to address members of the International Olympic Committee? He did so to explain ."

Words which would have interested , who not long before that had emerged from presenting the city's case to the 93 International Olympic Committee members present.

The Rio supporter's words were certainly meant as a jibe to Chicago, which alone of the four 2016 bids - Rio, Madrid and Tokyo - is privately financed as all United States bids have always been. Except when the symbols it is hard to see how a private sector bid can match a government-supported one.

This may explain why the IOC members grilled Chicago more than any other bid. Twenty-two questions which made Chicago overrun its time. Some in the Tokyo team felt insulted they had not merited so many questions although the general view was that this showed members had doubts about Chicago's financing. But one member I spoke to gave Chicago high marks for its presentation.

Chicago was also the only one who came to Lausanne complete with their own anti-group. As IOC members trooped into the museum they were met by citizens and handed a book of evidence which made the case why: it lacks money, it is not competent, it lacks infrastructure and does not have public support.

Chicago's bid team response is that the no group does not amount to much and when the IOC evaluation commission visited the city the no group could not muster much support. All I can say is the book of evidence would make a very convenient door-stopper.

The show stopper for Chicago would, of course, be . Chicago is keeping its counsel as to whether he will come to Copenhagen in October when the decision is made. There is little doubt their rivals are worried his star factor would overwhelm them. For Wednesday's meeting Obama did little, no videos just two still photos. But his senior adviser provided a video and on Wednesday morning Chicago e-mailed in some joy that Obama had effectively appointed a European-style sports minister, something that has always been alien to the American tradition of organising sports but it seen as showing his concern for sports.

The effect of star personalities having an impact on bids has been a factor ever since 2005 when , reinforced by the . The IOC has even considered whether they should ban the presence of heads of state and government and decided they could not. All 2016 bids are debating who could possibly match Obama, with the Japanese team keen for the presence of - they are unlikely to come.

Rio, of course, will have but in addition their trump card is the emotional one of no games ever having been held in Latin America. How can the Olympics be universal if it ignores such a huge part of the world? Chicago is certainly getting riled by it and at least their media is wondering if this not the sort of emotional blackmail that should not be allowed.

Far removed from sports but just the sort of thing that is top of the agenda when sports meets politics .