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Message 1.Â
Posted by Cautious The Precious (U13709486) on Thursday, 22nd January 2009
I'm the state school system equivalent of 'Tim, nice but dim' and I've lost the plot completely when it comes to reading the 'alcohol' threads here. Most of the posters there can't help it, I know, but most of what they write goes completely over my head.
I may have misread the situation completely, but I just feel there should be a place for people like me; people who are boozers and who are worried about it, people who are boozers and don't want to stop, and people who used to be boozers but who are surviving without it. People who want to rant, cry, reach out for or to help and for some sort of on line friendship. People who can't cope with the prospect of AA, don't understand the 'steps' and people who won't or can't discuss their issues in intellectual, medical and/or psychological terms but who nevertheless want to share their concerns about the state of their livers, etc.
Don't misunderstand me, I can see the value of the discussion and debate and some of the posters add so much. But for others, who feel unheard, this is the place.
If this thread has no responses, then so be it. The people will have spoken and I can always come back here myself.Link to this forum: For Beer Heads (Wino's & Spirit Imbibers Welcome)
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Message 2
Posted by MV Whitby May Rose (U6862284) on Thursday, 22nd January 2009
Cautious. It is horses for courses. I stopped drinking alcohol 7 years ago at the point where I absolutely had to or my life was going to start falling apart. I saw no need for AA or any other programme or treatment then and I still dont. However there is a place for treatment and programmes for those who do want and need them. I do feel alienated by the discussions around the more formal approach so can see why you would like a more informal support thread. I cant see me popping in very often other than if I could ever offer the "you can do it, its worth it type support". I have never regretted giving up alcohol for a second and find life about a million times easier now. That is reason enough imo to not want to start drinking again.
I wish you luck personally and with the thread.Link to this forum: For Beer Heads (Wino's & Spirit Imbibers Welcome)
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Message 3
Posted by Cautious The Precious (U13709486) on Thursday, 22nd January 2009
Well WR, you are indeed lucky, if lucky is the correct word in the circumstances.
However there is a place for treatment and programmes for those who do want and need them.Â
I agree with that, which is what I hope I acknowledged in my opening post. However, even those who do want treatment and programmes may be put off by the serious minded stuff that goes right over their heads.Link to this forum: For Beer Heads (Wino's & Spirit Imbibers Welcome)
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Message 4
Posted by Fee (U3534148) on Thursday, 22nd January 2009
I'm sorry that you've stopped feeling at home in the alcohol concerns thread, Cautious, and I expect it's partly my fault because I can't help falling into the sort of discussion you don't find helpful but I hope that you can find the sort of discussion you want on this one.
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Message 5
Posted by Now Locking for a house (U3261819) on Thursday, 22nd January 2009
Cautious. Try substituting one addiction for a less harmful one. My daughter swopped drinking for shopping and selling on ebay. I kid you not. We swear by it as a cure! I hope this is in the spirit of this thread.
My daughter rang an old boyfriend she hopes to meet as a friend soon. He nearly fell over when she suggested meeting for a COFFEE instead of a bottle of Bacardi. She ws amazed at the natural way the suggestion came to her lips.Link to this forum: For Beer Heads (Wino's & Spirit Imbibers Welcome)
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Message 6
Posted by Cautious The Precious (U13709486) on Thursday, 22nd January 2009
I've got residual health problems, apparently; I thought I'd 'got away' with it. That's scary but my issues don't sit well with learned debates about the 39 steps, or whatever. Makes me feel about two feet tall actually. However, as you were, there's room for everyone in ML, I suppose.
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Message 7
Posted by Cautious The Precious (U13709486) on Thursday, 22nd January 2009
Deep respect for clever people, BTW.
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Message 8
Posted by Now Locking for a house (U3261819) on Thursday, 22nd January 2009
Cautious. Residual health problems. My son has 3 broken ribs at the moment after falling out of his friend's car door. The car was stationery at the time otherwise he would have had more than broken ribs! My son has broken his ribs several times as a result of his drinking. His foot was broken by a car running over it once when he jay walked whilst drunk.
My friend rang me last night. She has an irregular heartbeat that may be as a result of 2 bottles of wine a night. She does not see herself and her husband as alcoholics.Link to this forum: For Beer Heads (Wino's & Spirit Imbibers Welcome)
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Message 9
Posted by Cautious The Precious (U13709486) on Friday, 23rd January 2009
At its worst point I was drinking, for example, a bottle of wine and four cans of STRONG lager a day. That does not take account of the pints of strong draft lager that I drunk at lunch time. I gave up completely when liver function blood tests were not normal, although there didn't appear to be any permanent damage. The experts are not so sure now and I face the prospect of having to have a liver biopsy in the near future. I still don't drink anymore, but perhaps the damage has already been done.
That apart, there is the ever present risk of accidental injury, as you describe so clearly, Furiouslocki. I blanch at the memory of those occasions where I have fallen over and hurt myself so badly that I couldn't even get out of bed the next morning. Fortunately though, not so bad that I didn't survive.
It is only quite recently that I have admitted my problem. Alcoholic? Problem drinker? Who knows, but until you admit to the true nature of your relationship with alcohol then you can't even start to deal with it.
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Message 10
Posted by Now Locking for a house (U3261819) on Friday, 23rd January 2009
Cautious. I'm so sorry to hear that you may not have escaped the consequences of your drinking. I have heard so many similar stories to yours from people my children know. Falling does indeed seem to be an occupational hazzard for drinkers. My son has had so many external injuries as internal and emotional.
I have two friends who do the middle class two bottles of wine each a night. They are both business people and the stereotype alcoholic that my son is. They are both now in their early 60s and late 50s showing some health problen that can be linked to drinking. It 'amused me that they are both vegetarian and obsessed with healthy eating yet chuck all that alcohol down their necks evry night. Perhaps because it's made from grapes they think wine is good for you!Link to this forum: For Beer Heads (Wino's & Spirit Imbibers Welcome)
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Message 11
Posted by Now Locking for a house (U3261819) on Friday, 23rd January 2009
Damn why do my fingers type the opposite to what I mean? They are very contrary!
Should be ' as well as internal and emotional'.
AND
'They are both business people and NOT the stereotype alcoholic my son is'.Link to this forum: For Beer Heads (Wino's & Spirit Imbibers Welcome)
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Message 12
Posted by Now Locking for a house (U3261819) on Friday, 23rd January 2009
Cautious. If you look at 'The ebay song' on you tube or just google, it might concvert you to the ebay cure for a drink addiction. Or it may just give you a laugh.
Hope this isn't too flippant. I would not post it on the other alcohol thread. I am more than serious there but have had to extract some humour from years of my kid's addicitons and there have been funny monents amongst the tragedy.Link to this forum: For Beer Heads (Wino's & Spirit Imbibers Welcome)
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Message 13
Posted by Cautious The Precious (U13709486) on Friday, 23rd January 2009
Ah, eBay, so many seem addicted, whilst pretending that actually they are running a trading business on the side. Video is funny, and seems to be British, not American.
I've shamelessly nicked this from another thread; the new Heineken commercial. I'm still able to find this funny.
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Message 14
Posted by Cautious The Precious (U13709486) on Friday, 23rd January 2009
I know it's rather downmarket but I do often watch Coronation Street, although I find it rather poorly written and produced these days. Nevertheless, I find the Peter character quite interesting. He's obviously got a 'drink problem' but his family and others around him see this only in terms of Peter exercising self-control and not drinking any more. 'Oh, he's not drinking again, is he?'
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Message 15
Posted by tinners-hare (U9904261) on Friday, 23rd January 2009
Cautious - are you okay? Please keep talking anyway. I'm no expert btw - I just wanted to be friendly.
There's an obvious world of difference between an alcoholic and somebody who has a drink-problem. Are you able to see which and where you fit in?
I think your new thread is great - however I fear many peeps won't join in as it will mean having to admit something ( to all and sundry).Link to this forum: For Beer Heads (Wino's & Spirit Imbibers Welcome)
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Message 16
Posted by Now Locking for a house (U3261819) on Friday, 23rd January 2009
Cautious. My recovering alcoholic daughter sent me the link to the ebay song. She just sent me another version featuring pictures of the ebay goods that are mentioned in the song. I love the 'Smurf tray' and 'pet stone' particularly. I just sent her the Heineken link. NOt long ago I would not dare send her a video featuring alcohol but now can. She has a sense of humour sober or drunk but sober is so much better.
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Message 17
Posted by Cautious The Precious (U13709486) on Saturday, 24th January 2009
Milestones or signposts?
It occurred to me yesterday that I had been 'dry' for more than one thousand days. Not exactly one thousand, but something in excess of that, as I can't recall the exact date I stopped boozing.
A milestone of sorts I believe, but fairly meaningless. I's like to think that awareness of this would be a time to think and plan for the future. But I'm now more than one thousand days older... I think I've lost my way.Link to this forum: For Beer Heads (Wino's & Spirit Imbibers Welcome)
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Message 18
Posted by The Giddy Kipper (U10918464) on Saturday, 24th January 2009
There's an obvious world of difference between an alcoholic and somebody who has a drink-problem. Are you able to see which and where you fit in?Â
I'm itching to reply to that, but am presuming that would not be in the spirit of this thread
Cautious, you seem to be a testament to the fact that most people just change their drinking by themselves, without going to groups or treatment etc, and personally I think you could feel proud of youself for that. 3+ years is a significant amount of time, and you have given your health a chance for improvement.
It sounds as if you are still thinking a lot about your drinking and the consequences of it, and maybe as if you are not sure it was worth stopping/reducing as your health might still have been affected? Is there anything more specific you are worried about that you want to/feel happy to mention?Link to this forum: For Beer Heads (Wino's & Spirit Imbibers Welcome)
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Message 19
Posted by MV Whitby May Rose (U6862284) on Saturday, 24th January 2009
Mr T just to echo the first sentence of the last para. Yes it does sound as if Cautious is still thinking about the issues a lot. I cant comment on the rest of the para as didnt pick up on a sense of why did I bother etc etc but I know that 4 years ago when I had been not drinking for 3 years, the point at which Cautious is now I certainly wasnt thinking about drink in any way other than a thank God Im not drinking anymore way ( esp whenever I see the results of alcohol fuelled behaviour).
It does sound to me therefore that some external support may make huge sense.Link to this forum: For Beer Heads (Wino's & Spirit Imbibers Welcome)
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Message 20
Posted by tinners-hare (U9904261) on Saturday, 24th January 2009
Mr.Theodore if you want to reply - just reply.
Some people are alcoholics and some people have a problem with alcohol. What's your point?Link to this forum: For Beer Heads (Wino's & Spirit Imbibers Welcome)
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Message 21
Posted by The Giddy Kipper (U10918464) on Saturday, 24th January 2009
Some people are alcoholics and some people have a problem with alcoholÂ
My point is that I personally just don't agree with that point, but think that is the sort of discussion that Cautious very def didn't intend for this thread, and has been had many times before.Link to this forum: For Beer Heads (Wino's & Spirit Imbibers Welcome)
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Message 22
Posted by tinners-hare (U9904261) on Saturday, 24th January 2009
Okay I accept your point. I did intend to try and help Cautious and not hinder so I'll bow out.
With best wishes.xxLink to this forum: For Beer Heads (Wino's & Spirit Imbibers Welcome)
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Message 23
Posted by Fee (U3534148) on Saturday, 24th January 2009
tinner-hares and Mr T - why not take it to the debating thread which I'm about to bump for another reason -it's at
Cautious - I sorry to hear you sound low about things - could you find some sort of counselling service to talk things through with if you don't want to do so here? I know nothing at all about you but it occurred to me, having read your posts when I was in Malawi, to wonder if you might be able to find something meaningful to do that linked in with your obvious love of parts of Africa - something limited like some of the WaterAid fundraising activities in this country -or more extreme like a short spell of VSO (I was reading the current advertising campaign posters on the train the other day and know of people of quite advanced years who've done it). I expect it's a mad suggestion in which case ignore me.
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Message 24
Posted by Cautious The Precious (U13709486) on Sunday, 25th January 2009
I regret the wording of the title of this thread as it sends a wrong message. However, it doesn't really matter.
I am aware that the liver has powers of regeneration, but not ad infinitum. Of course this applies equally to all parts of the body, but chop my arm off there is a good chance, infection notwithstanding, that I'll survive. Cut my liver out...gulp!!Link to this forum: For Beer Heads (Wino's & Spirit Imbibers Welcome)
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Message 25
Posted by The Giddy Kipper (U10918464) on Sunday, 25th January 2009
Cautious, I like the title of your thread! (There is a pub in Belfast that still has it's 'Imbibing Emporium' sign on it - sounds so much nicer than anything Wetherspoons has come up with....)
Are you definately going to have a bioposy, or are you waiting for further LFTS?Link to this forum: For Beer Heads (Wino's & Spirit Imbibers Welcome)
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Message 26
Posted by backagain (U2317531) on Sunday, 25th January 2009
Hello Cautious, I am confused about your liver and the possible biopsy, if you are no longer drinking then surely further damage has stopped and the liver has quite likely recovered somewhat, what would the biopsy reveal and how might it change treatment or your lifestyle? I apologise if this is intrusive, feel free not answer. ba
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Message 27
Posted by Cautious The Precious (U13709486) on Sunday, 25th January 2009
Well, back-again, yours is the sixty-four thousand enzyme question. I fear the worst whilst hoping for the best.
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Message 28
Posted by Cautious The Precious (U13709486) on Sunday, 25th January 2009
Are you definitely going to have a biopsy, or are you waiting for further LFTS?Â
Waiting to have an ultrasound test first, goodness knows when though.Link to this forum: For Beer Heads (Wino's & Spirit Imbibers Welcome)
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Message 29
Posted by Cautious The Precious (U13709486) on Sunday, 25th January 2009
Yep, I'm a complete wimp, but got nobody to share my worries with.
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Message 30
Posted by The Giddy Kipper (U10918464) on Sunday, 25th January 2009
Is the ultrasound to look for signs of cirrhosis or to check the extent of damage you already aware of ?
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Message 31
Posted by backagain (U2317531) on Sunday, 25th January 2009
Feel free to share your worries, there is nothing wimpy about a good worry. So you have no idea what the purpose of the investigations is? That would be the thing I worried about most, 'why do you want to do this and what will change when the results arrive?' is what I would want to know. ba
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Message 32
Posted by Cautious The Precious (U13709486) on Monday, 26th January 2009
Thank you. My liver is said to be 'under stress' and results from LFT's have not improved over time, despite my abstinence. Thus, investigations to try and establish what's going wrong.
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Message 33
Posted by backagain (U2317531) on Monday, 26th January 2009
And do they look at you with morticians' eyes as they say this? that is scary, there seems to be a culture of frightening the patient out of his wits these days which is not helpful, no more jolly doc saying 'It's probably nothing to worry about, we just just like to have a look'. I am very sorry if you have been treated like this, it is rather pointless. Have you been able to establish what is meant by 'under stress'? ba
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Message 34
Posted by The Giddy Kipper (U10918464) on Monday, 26th January 2009
Apologies if I am about to embark on an egg-sucking lesson (not something a vegan generally likes to do) but I have attached the link for the British Liver Trust, who are really helpful and have a free helpline you can ring and ask specific questions about your diagnosis/liver issues - and they will be very nice to you....
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Message 35
Posted by backagain (U2317531) on Monday, 26th January 2009
That looks helpful mrtheodore. It is not unknown in fact quite common for people who have been lifetime tea-totallers to have liver troubles, gall stones for example and no doubt there are many other causes. ba
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Message 36
Posted by The Giddy Kipper (U10918464) on Monday, 26th January 2009
Definately - and it is not uncommon for some GPs (bless them all) to put every ache and pain down to smoking/weight/drug use/drinking if they can, which sometimes diverts from what is really going on.
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Message 37
Posted by Now Locking for a house (U3261819) on Monday, 26th January 2009
backagain. I think the new bedside manner of doctors is about honesty. That is positive but it can go too far I think. A doctor looked at a tiny patch on my leg and baldly said 'It's Skin CAncer'. She then proceeded to show me graphic pictures of the results of this! This was in an ordinary surgery. A later painful (how I would stand a really serious illness I do not know) revealed it was Eczema!! I had quite a long time of unecessary worry. I remember standing outside the doctors feeling cold with shock and thinking aboiut my friend who not long before had indeed died of skin cancer!
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Message 38
Posted by Cautious The Precious (U13709486) on Monday, 26th January 2009
And do they look at you with morticians' eyes as they say this? that is scary, there seems to be a culture of frightening the patient out of his wits these days which is not helpfulÂ
Back-again...
Actually it’s not like that. I accept that there is a process, tests have to be done, possibilities eliminated, etc. Naturally it’s scary, but I doubt whether there is any alternative.
MrTheodore...
Thanks for the link, which I will read.
Furiouslocki...
That’s an horrific story; I’m sorry that an unthinking (or uncaring) doctor put you through all of that.
PS - re your post, I'm usually the one that is a waste of space.Link to this forum: For Beer Heads (Wino's & Spirit Imbibers Welcome)
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Message 39
Posted by backagain (U2317531) on Monday, 26th January 2009
< I'm usually the one that is a waste of space.> oh what a boast, I am sure that I could put up plenty of contenders for this slot and think that you would be lagging behind. So as usual, More Effort Needed if you want the school prize.
I am glad to read that you have kind doctors, this has mostly been my experience, truly wonderful, calm and knowledgeable GPs.
I wonder about this 'process', is it really necessary, how will it affect your future or treatment and what are the possible consequences which is for you to decide. A thorough search of mrtheodore's liver link would be my next step if I were you which I am not so you do not have to.
Good wishes and do keep us posted if you like to. baLink to this forum: For Beer Heads (Wino's & Spirit Imbibers Welcome)
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Message 40
Posted by Cautious The Precious (U13709486) on Tuesday, 27th January 2009
Not boasting back-again, just irritated by furiouslocki's posting above. Well, not her posting, which was very important, but the huge gap under it. I did think it might be a spoiler, but maybe that's because I get a bit paranoid at times.
Saw a huge group of Beer Heads standing around, outside of a pub tonight. Temperature below freezing, they were shivering, but, hey, that's the price you pay for a drink and a smoke. And for being a 'problem drinker'.Link to this forum: For Beer Heads (Wino's & Spirit Imbibers Welcome)
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Message 41
Posted by Cautious The Precious (U13709486) on Tuesday, 27th January 2009
MrTheodore's link in message 34 is very helpful, so thank you for that. I've read some but not all of it as I was getting scared and stopped. However, I will persevere and will use the help line when things are clearer.
Thank you again.Link to this forum: For Beer Heads (Wino's & Spirit Imbibers Welcome)
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Message 42
Posted by backagain (U2317531) on Wednesday, 28th January 2009
I was joking, cautious, probably not a good thing to do when a person's spirits are low. I hope that you are a little cheerier today. ba
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Message 43
Posted by annamagdelena (U9506494) on Wednesday, 28th January 2009
Wed, 28 Jan 2009 13:30 GMT, in reply to Cautious ckn tnght in message 41
Cautious, coming to this very late, and this login is still in premod - don't think I want to use my usual one at the moment for obvious reason - so who knows when you'll see this.
Just wanted to let you know you're not alone in what's going on - OH is in a somewhat similar situation. He was a very heavy drinker, and I'm not going to split hairs about whether or not is an alcoholic, but suffice to say over the past few months he has cut down from huge quantities to a glass or 2 of wine a week. This was mostly motivated by his own realisation that he had a problem, & he took himself off to the GP. Yes, abnormal LFT, marked improvement with cutting down, but still abnormalities. GP referred him, scan didn't show up anything significant, but blood tests showed he has an inherited protein deficiency. He's just had a biopsy & he'll get the results in a couple of weeks. Meanwhile a quick google seems to suggest there's little in the way of treatment except diet & alcohol avoidance, but that the problem is not in itself life-threatening.
OH was advised to tell family members about the inherited problem. He has 2 siblings, one who is an alcoholic (no hair-splitting needed!) and the other barely drinks. In the same month as OH got his diagnosis, alcoholic sibling was independently diagnosed with a DIFFERENT inherited liver disease, and non-drinking sibling was told she has a liver problem, cause as yet unknown but I'm assuming it's likely to be related. Unfortunately both parents died young many years ago & there's no contact with any other relatives so we can't trace where these problems have come from.
I think the point I'm trying to make is that you could have abnormal LFTs for all sorts of reasons, and the prognosis is not necessarily gloomy, so try not to get scared before you have to. I'm sure you're doing exactly the same as OH and his A sibling were - ie blaming the drinking, but in reality although they've made things worse for themselves, there's nothing they could have done to avoid the underlying cause for the liver problems.
FWIW, I'd agree you should wait until things are clearer before you call the helpline, but in the meantime try not to worry too much. I'll keep looking back at this thread to see how things are going for you, and if it helps for you to know how another ex-drinker is getting on, I'll update you on the OH situation if you want me to.Link to this forum: For Beer Heads (Wino's & Spirit Imbibers Welcome)
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Message 44
Posted by Cautious The Precious (U13709486) on Thursday, 29th January 2009
I was joking, cautious, probably not a good thing to do when a person's spirits are low. I hope that you are a little cheerier today. baÂ
I'm reasonably ok thanks. I'm in a sort of limbo-land.Link to this forum: For Beer Heads (Wino's & Spirit Imbibers Welcome)
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Message 45
Posted by Cautious The Precious (U13709486) on Thursday, 29th January 2009
Thank you very much for your helpful words annamagdelena. It's good to know that I'm not alone, although I don't mean that in an unhelpful way!!
It would be very nice if you were to update me on developments.
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Message 46
Posted by Cautious The Precious (U13709486) on Thursday, 29th January 2009
My parents were poor but dignified. Alcohol was rarely served, other than at Christmas. I tasted it as a child but, as they were such infrequent drinkers, I was not 'educated' in its joys or risks.
When I first started frequenting pubs (from the age of 18) I didn't have much self-control. As I grew older and moved away from home, I continued drinking. This time it was driven by loneliness. Living in a bedsitter in London, I could buy a bottle of Strongbow cider for 2/6 (12.50 pence). Sitting alone, I could get through two bottles a night.
In time, as I earned more money, I moved on to wines and spirits, and strong lager.
Now it is being said that children should not be allowed to sample alcohol until they are 15. I said at the beginning that my parents were poor but dignified (and, by implication, ignorant). Now we have the poor and undignified, and most definitely ignorant. With little or no control in most cases, and alcohol banned, where will children learn how to drink responsibly? With the law against them, and no parent or peer group positive role models, what will be the outcome?Link to this forum: For Beer Heads (Wino's & Spirit Imbibers Welcome)
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Message 47
Posted by Cautious The Precious (U13709486) on Thursday, 29th January 2009
Sorry that parts of my final paragraph seem a bit blimpish, I hope my broad thoughts were understandable. (Assuming anyone reads this thread! I think I'll start xxxxing and blinding to see whether anyone notices!!)
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Message 48
Posted by Fee (U3534148) on Thursday, 29th January 2009
I suspect that many of those who might engage with you on the topic may be a bit hesitant about doing so, Cautious, as I seem to recall that it was flight from abstract discussion of alcoholic related issues that caused you to start the thread in the first place.
I don't think Liam Donaldson said that there was a plan to make it illegal for children under 15 to drink - just that the formal advice was going to be that they shouldn't. FWIW, I know a lot of affluent and well-educated teenagers who drink far too much. Interesting interview with some Cambridge teenagers on the Today programme this morning - they highlighted peer pressure as the main problem and from observation I think that is probably right.
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Message 49
Posted by Cautious The Precious (U13709486) on Thursday, 29th January 2009
Nah, I said I've lost the plot completely when it comes to reading the 'alcohol' threads here. Most of the posters there can't help it, I know, but most of what they write goes completely over my head.Â
This seems more like a blog. 'Well, why don't you start a proper blog?' you may well ask. Good question, but, hey, I like it here.
The thing is, I think that I understand what I am writing, but I'm baffled at a lot of what gets posted on the 'mainstream' thread. I'm a bit iggerant, although, of course, I'm not completely stupid.
I think there's room for both here as the brilliant monthly threads have become rather clinical and cold. I'm a much more emotional, 'touchy, feely' (in theory) sort of person.Link to this forum: For Beer Heads (Wino's & Spirit Imbibers Welcome)
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Message 50
Posted by Fee (U3534148) on Thursday, 29th January 2009
Not trying to start an argument but I don't think you have ever posted on the other threads in the way that you have posted on this one (perhaps that's where the "in theory" bit comes in), which is a shame - I could tell you a lot more about a number of other posters, both recent and old - both some of their factual stories and how they think and feel than I can about you - and I don't think that would be possible if the threads had really become cold and clinical.
I think (and obviously it's just my opinion) that it is a shame and potentially rather confusing to have another parallel thread on the same topic so I hope that you will feel able to rejoin the February thread and post more in the way that you have on this thread. As for stuff going over your head, it seems to me that you can either choose to ignore it or ask whoever posted it to explain more clearly what they are talking about.
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