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Message 1.Â
Posted by countrypug (U9227943) on Monday, 30th March 2009
Welcome to the new look MFC – Healthy Eating Club, for Tuesday 31st March 2009. Our aims, as the title hopefully suggests, is to head towards a more healthy lifestyle, incorporating healthy eating and exercise. There is no membership fee, or weekly charge, so come on in and join the group. There are many options available to those seeking to lose weight, and most of them will be represented here, so there is lots of good advice available.
There are few rules, other than the fact that we do not mention real life weights, measurements, clothes sizes etc, as a long term goal for one person may be a starting point for another. Please feel free to tell us of pounds/kilos/inches/cm lost, or just how loose your clothes are! There is also a long standing motto – KOKO (keep on keeping on), which is self explanatory. This group is extremely friendly and supportive, and if you are hesitating on the sidelines, please do post, as we are always pleased to have a new name around - you may just find the impetus to a whole new you!
There are several sister threads:
Gem’s cybergym, for advice on all things exercise related –
Katy’s cookbook, for advice on healthy recipes, and great meal ideas-
and finally the rota thread, where anyone can volunteer to open up one week –
I hope we all have a great week – eat well (in the truest sense), and have fun!
Pug -
Message 2
Posted by countrypug (U9227943) on Monday, 30th March 2009
I hope everyone approves of the name change. I have tried to just add to the old name, rather than a complete change.
Here's to a good week for all.
Pug x -
Message 3
Posted by villageschoolmaam (U11233398) on Monday, 30th March 2009
I do like the name, Pug, and thanks for opening. See you in the morning!
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Message 4
Posted by Westsussexbird or Birdy aka Westie (U6316532) on Monday, 30th March 2009
Thanks for opening up Pug, and the name amendment is really helpful to me. (An amendment is a minor change or addition designed to improve a text ... it says here in my dictionary!)
Funnily enough, it ties in with me reading my way through Gillian Riley's 'Eating Less Say Goodbye to Overeating' which suggests we look at the big picture. If we can think our way to getting that right then the rest will follow.
I have a feeling Tolkyn is really Gillian Riley as so much of what she writes is ringing bells and is very familiar.
The copy I was reading has gone back to the library in case anyone else wants to borrow it ... my copy has arrived from The Book Depository. No postage and the cheapest we could find on the internet.
I hope everyone has a good week.
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Message 5
Posted by Fire-Pig - proud to wave the protest banner (U12231213) on Monday, 30th March 2009
I like the way you did the name, cp. Still feeling good about my level of self control at the moment - hope it will last!
Today's food diary:
Breakfast: Muesli with stewed blackberry and apple (no sugar), tea with semi skimmed milk
Mid morning : black coffee
Lunch: Cherry tomatoes and two apples, green tea
Afternoon: Tea with semi skimmed milk
Supper: Mushrooms fried with two rashers bacon (no extra fat) on slice of granary toast, watermelon.
Most days supper would be a bit more, but tonight it was just me.
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Message 6
Posted by Auntie Prue (U1481323) on Monday, 30th March 2009
I love water melon.
When I was 20, I visited my cousin in Ontario. Her father had a little boat that used to chug up and down the Avon. We had a memorable water melon pip spitting contest on board.
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Message 7
Posted by Westsussexbird or Birdy aka Westie (U6316532) on Monday, 30th March 2009
I meant to put the link:
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Message 8
Posted by Fire-Pig - proud to wave the protest banner (U12231213) on Monday, 30th March 2009
Just ordered it Westie and a couple of other books I wanted - Three Cups of Tea and The Owl Killers, saved more than £8 on the S American river price for the three, Thanks!
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Message 9
Posted by Westsussexbird or Birdy aka Westie (U6316532) on Monday, 30th March 2009
Glad to help ;0)
I have been so shocked that despite getting to my target weight I have slowly slowly begun to put weight back on ... with the help of this thread it is just about under control but I just seem to eat a little bit more than I actually need and Tolkny has made me realise I need to address this in a way I haven't before. I have lost a lot of weight twice before in my life and I'm really going to try and this time I intend to try and understand what is going on.
I realised it is a book I will need to read more than once to really take it on board, so went ahead and bought it.
I read it a some time ago when we were researching cholesterol when my eating was completely under control and it didn't really make much sense then, but my shock at finding my weight going back on has given me a real jolt, and the book is making real sense to me this time around.
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Message 10
Posted by Westsussexbird or Birdy aka Westie (U6316532) on Monday, 30th March 2009
OH says he always goes to Bookbrain and types in the book he wants and it tells you all the prices .... for Gillian's book The Tepository came out best.
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Message 11
Posted by archingmad (U8292055) on Tuesday, 31st March 2009
I'm not suspecting more than a maintain this week, but I will not be starting the week off well.
Tomorrow my chums are taking me out for a post-(son's)wedding lunch at the very smart Chinese. I'm supposed to bring photos so here I am, in the middle of the night, printing out the photos to make up an album and the printer has just told me the ink is low. Oh-oh. (Story of my Life) -
Message 12
Posted by Westsussexbird or Birdy aka Westie (U6316532) on Tuesday, 31st March 2009
archi, I hope the ink lasted long enough and that you got to sleep afterwards. It sounds to me as if your week is starting off really nicely ... enjoy yourself and as the title of this thread sugggests, try and eat as healthily as circumstances allow :0) If you have found what Tolkyn has written to us at all helpful, then I think you will find Gillian's book helpful. :0)
I won't mention this book again as I sound like a broken record! I have re-read what I wrote last night and apologise for the lack of editing. I did read through before I posted but missed all the mistakes.
Have a good week peeps :0) -
Message 13
Posted by puzzler76 (U3733897) on Tuesday, 31st March 2009
Morning all, thanks for opening pug, and well done on getting the name sorted.
I'm up a bit but still within my zone so I'm very happy. I can't quite believe I've managed to stay here for two months now but i'm sure that if I stop weighing myself I'll creep up so you're stuck with me reporting in.
KOKO everyone,
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Message 14
Posted by countrypug (U9227943) on Tuesday, 31st March 2009
Morning all, good to see so many callers already. Archi - hope you got some sleep eventually, and have a lovely lunch, without worrying about too many calories, the rest of the week will get things sorted.
Fire-pig, it sounds to me as if you have not eaten much at all yesterday, don't go into starvation mode will you?
I have lost another pound and a half this morning, which is great, so I am only 2lbs from my next mini target. Of course I have not only a weekend off coming up, but also a night away in a hotel, so it is likely I will gain a bit, but I am not stressing about it. If I can be careful till Friday, then I might lose a bit more so that I can afford to gain a bit over the weekend (IYSWIM!) I am trying hard to do lots of exercise, and that is definitely helping.
Have a good week all.
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Message 15
Posted by flutter-by (U2729197) on Tuesday, 31st March 2009
Well, the scales say a gain of 400g, which I blame on myself for making a cheesecake, and also feeling the need to eat the leftover digestives. There are now no biscuits or sweet snack things in the house (a few ended up being sent to work with Dr Sweetpea) so I am hoping to get rid of that little gain this week!
And the weather is going to be nicer than last week so I'll be back to the normal quota of walks (though the carpy weather does mean that Owen is happy to nap in his cot!).... -
Message 16
Posted by Westsussexbird or Birdy aka Westie (U6316532) on Tuesday, 31st March 2009
Pug I'm glad you commented on Fire-pig's food diary as I too felt that it seemed a bit meagre.
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Message 17
Posted by JustJezebel (U7474974) on Tuesday, 31st March 2009
Hey to all. Like the new-look header! Well done to the 'losers'. Feeling a bit despondent because I've not lost anything this week, despite the usual food deprivation and exercise combo. Was hoping to have turned the corner as am off to Cornwall for a week on Friday and wanted to be able to ease off just enough to allow myself the odd scone. But am now terrified of letting go in case I start gaining, given how hard I'm finding it to lose.
Anyway, not moaning, honestly! Will have to be extra scrupulous with weighing and measuring portions this week and hope for the best. Obviously, won't be around for next week's weigh in, but I'll report back the following week.
KOKO one and all
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Message 18
Posted by Tolkny (U710741) on Tuesday, 31st March 2009
I hope everyone approves of the name change.Â
Very good thanks and the text of the message, nice and welcoming.
#On another subject.
I feel uncomfortable about discussions about other real people, as went on towards the end of last week about a family who, for whatever reason, agreed to have their eating discussed in the media.
I find that by giving opinions of others takes me away from focussing on my recovery. It does help me when others share their experience and usually I am willing to share mine.
Because, despite seeming to manage my eating most times, although it gets tense when I am tense or hungry, lonely angry, or tired, I still have behaviour problems of cross addiction, I tried another anonymous fellowship last night.
The woman who welcomed me, blew my anonymity from first greeting, because she said where she recognised me from! I did not find what followed of much help, although I did hear said "try six meetings before deciding". So I plan to do that but I think I might try at last one at a different location. -
Message 19
Posted by Tolkny (U710741) on Tuesday, 31st March 2009
I have a feeling Tolkyn is really Gillian RileyÂ
I am a he and her name is only vaguely familiar, I have no idea what her opinions are. I have not written a book. Is she an addict?
If I live right my weight will become right.
For today, I need to accept everything just as it is, including me and focus any changes I make on me, because I can't change another and also by focussing on if they change or I reach this weight all will be well, I know from mine and other's experience, including here, that is a fallacy.
Absolute honesty (with myself) is tough but essential for my recovery plus the 12 steps and programme of Alcoholics Anonymous.
I have seen it work for others and it is working somewhat for me, at least to the extent that I am maintaining a ten stone weight loss, but am still way over a medically recommended ideal weight. -
Message 20
Posted by Westsussexbird or Birdy aka Westie (U6316532) on Tuesday, 31st March 2009
Tolkny, I know you are a he, but I was suggesting (in a jokey way) that maybe you wrote a book under the pseudonym Gillian Riley as the book which I have mentioned upthread has a lot in it that *could* have been written by you .... a lot of common sense about addictive behaviour. She also says if you live right your weight will come right.
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Message 21
Posted by Auntie Prue (U1481323) on Tuesday, 31st March 2009
I found the discussion about the over-eating family helpful - it is a reminder of how it can all get out of control if we don't make sensible choices.
It also highlighted that one family's idea of what constitutes a healthy diet isn't necessarily correct.
Poor daily habits are what make most people put on too much weight - and this family certainly made me sit up and think. -
Message 22
Posted by Auntie Prue (U1481323) on Tuesday, 31st March 2009
This is what I ate yesterday.
Breakfast: 2 slices wholemeal toast thinly spread with butter, and marmalade (I made it so it is jolly well going to be eaten!) Tomato juice. Green tea.
Lunch: Out so took with me - oatcake bar (200kc) and a banana. Water.
Midafternoon: A fruit smoothie.
Evening meal: Chicken kiev and cauliflower. Water. Apple. Redbush tea.
Bedtime: Camomile tea.
The chicken kiev was in the freezer, and I don't intend to waste reasonable food - even if it isn't what I will buy in the future. It was breaded, had garlic butter inside - and I am sure if was some sort of reconstituted chicken - it would score very low on a deliciousness to healthy scale. -
Message 23
Posted by Kitty (U2311966) on Tuesday, 31st March 2009
Waves and Hi to all,
Forcing myself to check in, although still avoiding the scales like the plague as I just don't want to know what they tell me. Eating gone completely up the spout at the mo - I know exactly what I'm doing wrong, comfort eating of an evening because chocolate and sandwiches and crips and pizza do, temporarily, make me feel happier - yet even whilst in the middle of pigging out, and especially when I wake up at 4am with horrific heartburn, I hate myself for doing it. There has to be more to life than this. I just don't get how I could lose so much weight so (relatively) easily and now the absolute misery of seeing it slowly, lb by lb going back on. None of my clothes fit and I'm now buying clothes in sizes that I gave away to charity 2 years ago.
Sorry guys - not the usual skippety skip post from me, but that's where I am at the moment, and I'm hoping by fessing up to it here will kick start me into doing something about it.
KOKO to all
Kitty xxxxxxxxxxxxxx -
Message 24
Posted by Westsussexbird or Birdy aka Westie (U6316532) on Tuesday, 31st March 2009
Dear Kitty, mega sympathy ... been there, done that. :0))
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Message 25
Posted by Auntie Prue (U1481323) on Tuesday, 31st March 2009
Kitty - me too. It is a horrid cycle to be in.
Fessing up to it is a brave thing to do - and helpful to others. I have always kept my piggery secret in the past.
Any advice about how to forestall these crises? -
Message 26
Posted by Westsussexbird or Birdy aka Westie (U6316532) on Tuesday, 31st March 2009
Prue, I am really trying to have a conversation with myself over what I eat and when and how much and why.
I am the only person who can decide what I eat, how much, and when and why, and so each time I have a think about food I am trying to recognise what the consequences will be and deciding if I want to eat whatever it is, considering what the consequences will be... heartburn, lethargy, low self esteem etc.
This is not very well written, but I am trying to think differently. -
Message 27
Posted by Mabel Bagshawe (U2222589) on Tuesday, 31st March 2009
Just had a stress - plate of biscuits and welsh cakes in meeting interface
Plus Miss B's birthday today with a choccie cake to complete decorating and help consume
Not expecting great results on the scales tomorrow! -
Message 28
Posted by Fire-Pig - proud to wave the protest banner (U12231213) on Tuesday, 31st March 2009
Yes, yesterday probably was a bit meagre! (also low on protein - not typical) Today started with three Weetabix with some more of the blackberry and apple. (Well there were just three left and they have been hanging around for some time!)
F-P -
Message 29
Posted by Westsussexbird or Birdy aka Westie (U6316532) on Tuesday, 31st March 2009
Atta girl :0)) Is it Ian Botham that used to boast in an advertisement that he could eat 3 Shredded Wheats?
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Message 30
Posted by puzzler76 (U3733897) on Tuesday, 31st March 2009
Ian Botham still advertises shredded wheat. I bought some bitesize ones yesterday, for the first time ever. Haven't had the stuff in over ten years but the cricketer has worn me down (oh dear, advertising does work). Puzzlerette announced this morning after her first spoonful that she doesn't like spreaded sweets, so that'll be the rest of the box for me!
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Message 31
Posted by Westsussexbird or Birdy aka Westie (U6316532) on Tuesday, 31st March 2009
Utube movie .... Botham and shredded wheat ad.
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Message 32
Posted by flutter-by (U2729197) on Tuesday, 31st March 2009
The only way I can forestall these food moments is not to have the food in the house in the first place. When I am tired/low/hormonal/lonely/hungry or any combination of the above, I will reach for whatever is easiest. If all I have that is easy is good for me then that is what I will eat. I very rarely can be bothered to walk the 200m to the nearest newsagent to buy something bad for me.
And I can normally manage restraint once or twice a week when doing the shopping......
(my I'm starving and the baby's more starving and screaming about it snack was a glass of milk and a slice of bread and peanut butter. If there had been biscuits it would have been those so it was an improvement!) -
Message 33
Posted by countrypug (U9227943) on Tuesday, 31st March 2009
Yes, I'm with fluts on this one, I just can't have tempting things in the house or I might eat them, meaning the children have to put up with the healthy ones too! Mind you I am not too mean, as I do buy things like hot cross buns for them for after school, as those are easy for me to resist.
Kitty, {{{{hugs}}} and sorry you are struggling, but just think, you have done it before, so you can do it again. Coming back here is an important first step!
Pug x -
Message 34
Posted by Fire-Pig - proud to wave the protest banner (U12231213) on Tuesday, 31st March 2009
Oh Westie, Never Shredded Wheat - I have never liked that!
Kitty you are not the only one struggling. I lost a lot 4 years ago and was very pleased with myself but it has all crept back. I went completely dolally when Younger Piglet was missing for several weeks and we feared the worst, nobody knew where he was, and I am not sure that he knows where he was. I ate chocolate then as a comfort food. He's been back with us for some time now so there is no excuse!
I have only just started to take control again, and hope it will lead to a better life for all of us - sounds a bit pompous but I don't mean it like that!
F-P -
Message 35
Posted by Westsussexbird or Birdy aka Westie (U6316532) on Tuesday, 31st March 2009
That sounds dreadful Pig, I would have eaten the wrapping paper as well I think :0)
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Message 36
Posted by Kitty (U2311966) on Tuesday, 31st March 2009
Doesn't sound pompous at ALL fire-pig, and thanks to you and everyone for kind words & suggestions - it really DOES help to feel I'm not the only one going through this.
After fighting depression last year and thinking I was over it, I'm back on the anti-d's again - and so not only battling with the depression itself but the feeling of failure that I didn't "beat" it the first time.
Stomped off downstairs to have some toast a few hours ago, and found a big tub of low-fat soup on my doorstep that my lovely friend had left for me - which gave me the will-power I needed to have a healthy balanced lunch. One meal at a time is going to be my new motto from now on.
Kitty xxxxxxxxxx -
Message 37
Posted by Westsussexbird or Birdy aka Westie (U6316532) on Tuesday, 31st March 2009
Well done Kitty ;0)
As you know, my OH has depression and I really really must take issue with you about feeling like a failure as one thing I know is that anyone who has the added issue of depression to deal with (often on a daily basis) really has to show remarkable courage and spirit to be able to make the most of each hour/day.
Some days are bound to be better than others and please don't beat yourself up if you need to go back on medication. OH has tried to cut down his dose several times but has come to understand that he just needs it as a helping hand and that it helps him make the most he can of his life ... on an hourly basis sometimes, but sometimes he is feeling good and it is a daily basis. I have mentioned elsethread how he is so much better if he eats healthily, and I am thankful your friend helped you today :0)))
Take care of yourself dear Kitty.
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Message 38
Posted by Auntie Prue (U1481323) on Tuesday, 31st March 2009
One meal at a time sounds good to me.
I took on board what Westie said about not beating oneself up after every little slip.
We are all human and bound to fall from grace from time to time. Guilt never helps - it is a totally useless emotion most of the time IMO. -
Message 39
Posted by Westsussexbird or Birdy aka Westie (U6316532) on Tuesday, 31st March 2009
In my opinion too Prue :0)
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Message 40
Posted by myhuckleberryfriend (U9588385) on Tuesday, 31st March 2009
Clocking-in to report a gain of a half pound.
Sorry you're feeling low, Kitty but glad you're here in MFC. Taking part in posting I find is a great help in self-esteem and somehow putting difficulties in writing somehow puts them into perspective. They don't seem quite so enormous when put in black and white and surrounded by mustard shrinks them even more!
huckie -
Message 41
Posted by sunlitfern (U1481854) on Tuesday, 31st March 2009
Tue, 31 Mar 2009 16:59 GMT, in reply to myhuckleberryfriend in message 40
loss this week 1lb.
I lost 2 stone and kept it off for a year but it then went back on when I couldn't exercise due to a bad back. It has taken me a year to lose 10lb as I still have other health problems that make me very tired. It is happening but very slowly, it's changing mind set with every new problem that arrives that is is issue. It can take a long time to find the right way of looking at things.
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Message 42
Posted by Fire-Pig - proud to wave the protest banner (U12231213) on Tuesday, 31st March 2009
A lot of good sense here today! Healthy eating really is the way to go!
Westie, Younger Piglet's problems seemed to come about through depression. I wrote about it here
It was absolute h*ll while he was missing, even thinking about it still brings tears to my eyes. After that thread and much cogitation, I have decided that I cannot worry about his future and his pension etc. If he chooses to live his life that way, that is his business. I can ensure that while he is under our roof he has one good sensible meal a day (I am at work during the day so have no say what he eats then). It is not easy to say that I will not worry about his future, but I keep on reminding myself that is what I have decided.
F-P -
Message 43
Posted by Westsussexbird or Birdy aka Westie (U6316532) on Tuesday, 31st March 2009
Well, Sunlit, I for one am always glad to see your 'name' on this thread ..... and to lose a pound in a week when you have other problems to deal with is a really good week. :0)
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Message 44
Posted by Westsussexbird or Birdy aka Westie (U6316532) on Tuesday, 31st March 2009
Fire-Pig, I'm sorry, but that thread completely passed me by. I won't bump it up to get it into my inbox, but will make a point of reading through it when I have a quiet bit of time.
I'm so sorry. :0) -
Message 45
Posted by Tolkny (U710741) on Tuesday, 31st March 2009
Any advice about how to forestall these crises?Â
When I admitted I was powerless over compulsive eating I found I was able to stick to a food plan that is healthy.
Once I was sure I am an addict I was able to apply the 12 step programme of Alcoholics Anonymous with the support of others in Overeaters Anonymous who have similar experiences. It is getting easier, food crises are very rare nowadays for me. It might be because I deal with my feelings without resorting to compulsive eating.
Obviously, such an attitude is only likely to be helpful to a person who is an addict. -
Message 46
Posted by villageschoolmaam (U11233398) on Tuesday, 31st March 2009
Evening all!
Scales hovering between last week's figure and a pound down, so I'll double-check tomorrow. As I suspected, some of the intervening loss was pretty temporary due to the cold, but at least the timing was right for the 'do'. Plus, today I am into my slimmest trouser suit in current size and it's not at all tight.
Had class al fresco in the sunshine for part of the time as we were 'doing' a bit about the theatres in Pompeii and acting a daft play. It was like that scene in TA last week when they let the calves out.
I like the name!
Kitty - good for you for posting. Might it be a help to think about 'doing' certain things rather than about 'not doing' certain other things?
From experience, may I suggest that you think of a day's healthy eating as starting the night before, when you get into bed at a decent hour in a calm state, able to get to sleep for a decent period? Easier said than done if depression is disturbing your peace. I just feel so much more on top of everything if I don't stay up too late spending time in front of a screen or working etc. This is a real struggle for me at weekends and holidays (Easter coming up) because I'm naturally a night owl. But I eat much better if I'm in a good sleep cycle.
My other humble suggestion is to go for a little walk in the longer daylight hours. I like it because it clears the brain and sets up a good rhythm but doesn't wear you out. I'm going now, now that it seems that there are no suspect vehicles between the PSNI station and the Tesco on my route. Yesterday was *mad* here. Get 20 minutes in?
Sleeping and walking are good things to do and maybe the other things will start to come along, but you don't need to fret too much about them until the good things are in place?
Just experience.
Had the first official salad of the year for supper, bacon and avocado, yum yum yum. I know there's fat in avocado, but it's the better sort, I think? Had a hot banana with some choc for pud. Also yum!
Well done losers!
See you soon and KOKO,
vsm xx -
Message 47
Posted by geepers (U6804393) on Tuesday, 31st March 2009
Tue, 31 Mar 2009 19:31 GMT, in reply to villageschoolmaam in message 46
V late clocking in, so will post first, then read. Worked late, then went to the gym and was *so* starving when I got home that I just had to eat something before I could do anything.
Have to confess that I am feeling downright fab - have eaten extremely healthily for ten days on the trot now, been to the gym five times in that time, and had a couple of decent walks, and, as ever, I feel so much better for making the effort. Wish I could remember, when the willpower's wavering, that a bit of a push reaps these rewards! As I posted at the weekend, the holiday clothes that were too tight are now wearable, and if I stick it for a couple more weeks not only will they be wearable, they'll be loose enough for me to relax while I'm away.
So - keep it up chaps, cos it's worth it. -
Message 48
Posted by villageschoolmaam (U11233398) on Tuesday, 31st March 2009
Go geepers!!!
vsm xx -
Message 49
Posted by geepers (U6804393) on Tuesday, 31st March 2009
Tue, 31 Mar 2009 19:45 GMT, in reply to villageschoolmaam in message 48
cheers, vsm. And yes, avocados do have fat, but they are very very good for you too. Just don't go mad on them.
I have a sneaking feeling you and I may be close to being neighbours... Have you got a chopper overhead at the mo? -
Message 50
Posted by villageschoolmaam (U11233398) on Tuesday, 31st March 2009
Geepers, oh my goodness! how weird!
Certainly had choppers a-go-go last night.
I'll just stick me head out of the window and listen...
...well I can't hear it now, but it would be up about two miles northwest from here, roughly. No more clues!
Oh what delightful memories it all stirs.But nothing to report from my little walk.
KOKO in every sense, eh?
vsm xx
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