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Message 1.Â
Posted by Dapply (U2437462) on Saturday, 3rd October 2009
Sat, 03 Oct 2009 07:36 GMT
WOOF.
From Seren.
(Which means hello and welcome to October Dog Club, all are welcome, just don't step on the bones, balls and other important things to a dog's life) -
Message 2
Posted by Sad Border Collie (U2036041) on Saturday, 3rd October 2009
Hello lovely doggie people,
I was wondering if you had any thoughts or experience about the best time to spay a girl dog.
Our vet doesn't have a preference before or after a first season. I wonder if it really makes any difference?
So who else could I ask but the dog club members? Thanks for your ideas.
Our Border collie pup just had her 12week vaccinations. She is veeeeery active! We are just about getting on top of her puppy biting but it takes constant effort.
Thanks,
QBC xx -
Message 3
Posted by Dapply (U2437462) on Saturday, 3rd October 2009
Sat, 03 Oct 2009 12:14 GMT, in reply to Quizzical Border Collie in message 2
Midway between seasons is the thinking in Dally circles. You don't want her just before(flirty) just after(nest building) you want her when everything has calmed down. That way you can set her mood to being a happy girlie instead of flirty or bad tempered and always trying to nurse inanimate objects or even depressed.
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Message 4
Posted by Sad Border Collie (U2036041) on Saturday, 3rd October 2009
Thanks Dapply, I wasn't clear though, I meant is there any difference if we have her done before she has come into season for the first time or should you let her come into season once or more times.
We are not intending to breed obviously.
Our vet also made the point that you did, midway between seasons if we decide to have her done after one or more seasons.
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Message 5
Posted by posh_scouse_pinnedwithpride (U2514024) on Saturday, 3rd October 2009
Pads says hello... after eating his lead and being bad....BAAAAAAAD.
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Message 6
Posted by Campbell-in-Clogs (U8123405) on Saturday, 3rd October 2009
I'm no expert on bitches, having a definite preference for male dogs, but have somehow picked up from various sources that the time to spay is after the first time she's been on heat. If nothing else, this guarantees that she's fully adult. Surely before this she's not fully grown? I would ask the vet about this aspect - obviously s/he's the expert on current thinking on this matter but it seems to make more sense to me to do it this way. One of my pals had her greyhound 'done' a few years ago and I remember her doing a lot of research into a sort of 'light' form of sterilisation which was somehow less intrusive than the standard one, but just as effective. Can't remember the details...
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Message 7
Posted by Sad Border Collie (U2036041) on Saturday, 3rd October 2009
Thanks C-in-C, Our vet said as far as he was concerned both options were fine. I can fine some saying before the first season as that avoids all the hormones that will often cause breast cancers later in life if she is not 'done'.
Others say after the first season/ I guess as there is little medical consensus both options are possible and OK.
Thanks again,
QBC -
Message 8
Posted by Alejandrita (U2222432) on Saturday, 3rd October 2009
Sat, 03 Oct 2009 20:18 GMT, in reply to Quizzical Border Collie in message 7
Hello all! Gosh the months fly by quickly!!
QBC,
Sombra was spayed after her first heat - not immediately after, it was about 3 months later, when hormone levels were at lowest. Our vet prefers to wait until after the first season, something to do with developing muscle structures and possible post-spay incontinence or something like that, but prefers to spay before second season. What certainly seems to be true is that the more seasons a bitch has, the highly the risk of cancer later on. -
Message 9
Posted by Sad Border Collie (U2036041) on Sunday, 4th October 2009
Thanks very much Alejandrita, that's very interesting.
Have to say, for me in a perfect world, spaying would also stop puppies waking so early on a Sunday morning!
Best wishes,
QBC -
Message 10
Posted by posh_scouse_pinnedwithpride (U2514024) on Sunday, 4th October 2009
Aw,,,, watching a dog dream... so much fun.
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Message 11
Posted by Deb Z (U2256349) on Sunday, 4th October 2009
We didn't have much say in the matter as our dog came to us from the rescue home when she was 11 months old, and part of the conditions of the adoption was to have her spayed within (I think) 2 months of adoption. She lived to the ripe old age of 14 years though and is still sadly missed.
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Message 12
Posted by Dapply (U2437462) on Monday, 5th October 2009
Mon, 05 Oct 2009 07:42 GMT, in reply to posh scouse in message 10
Aw,,,, watching a dog dream... so much fun.Â
It is watching the feet start to twitch and then the eyes, followed by the little wuff noises. Ahh bless. -
Message 13
Posted by Mustafa Grumble (U8596785) on Monday, 5th October 2009
Hi all, could not work out why Sept Dog Club was so quiet. Then realisation dawned ...
QBC - to throw in my pennyworth, and having (had) both dogs & bitches, would definitely leave until several months after first season, both for the hormonal reasons sagely cited above, and also because it gives time for the bitch to grow up, to reach its full adult body size, shape & weight. IME there is a risk to the physical development of bitches spayed too soon - running excessively to fat & so forth. -
Message 14
Posted by Alejandrita (U2222432) on Monday, 5th October 2009
Mon, 05 Oct 2009 13:18 GMT, in reply to Mustafa Grumble in message 13
Lovely walk with the black beauty this am - we're in October but it's superb weather - to hot at 8:30 am in cropped tracky bums and sweatshirt!
Sombra found a rabbit hole and went mad, sniffing and snuffling around, sticking her nose in there and generally looking for excitment. When none was forthcoming, she settled for hoovering up all the little poos. (Ugh). Easily satisfied, my doggy!! -
Message 15
Posted by al-in-a-field (U3325483) on Monday, 5th October 2009
ah. It's october, and there is me wittering on in the september club. Durrr.
Al... -
Message 16
Posted by Dapply (U2437462) on Tuesday, 6th October 2009
Tue, 06 Oct 2009 07:20 GMT, in reply to al-in-a-field (don't abandon sandbag the dog) in message 15
Never Mind al it is usually me who talks to herself!
Throwing it down here this morning, and I just invited Seren to go out to do a poo. She stuck her nose out the door and looked at me as if I were quite mad. Then scuttled back to the chair where it is cosy and comfy.
Not daft my doggie. -
Message 17
Posted by fairy hedgehog (U1485678) on Tuesday, 6th October 2009
< Not daft my doggie >
My doggies & I are all daft. We go out rain or shine & this morning I got quite wet. Pushing your way along an overgrown bridle path is a really good way of getting drenched.
The only weather we don't like is horizontal hail.
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Message 18
Posted by fairy hedgehog (U1485678) on Wednesday, 7th October 2009
< watching a dog dream >
I'm listening to one. It's a mixture between suppressed bark & a snore.
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Message 19
Posted by posh_scouse_pinnedwithpride (U2514024) on Wednesday, 7th October 2009
Aw.... oo, Paddy moment of the day. Stopped him weein on the moppets guy [they were outside the shop] then realised halfway home he had half inched a dummy and was happily suckin it, I now know why they were laughin.
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Message 20
Posted by strawberrysunrise (U10452397) on Wednesday, 7th October 2009
Quizzical Border Collie,
my vets and quite a few others are convinced that to get your female dog spayed as early as possible is the best for her long term health, the latest research shows that it vastly reduces the chance of the more common cancers.
everyone enjoying the wet spider webs in the morning, coated all the time. love knowing I'm the first along a track. -
Message 21
Posted by strawberrysunrise (U10452397) on Wednesday, 7th October 2009
Anyone know anything about Doberman Pinscher?
I've trained(very responsive) a few but I am really interested in the finer points of the breed,
any knowledge greatly appreciated. -
Message 22
Posted by Rwth of the Cornovii (U2570790) on Wednesday, 7th October 2009
Wed, 07 Oct 2009 20:55 GMT, in reply to Quizzical Border Collie in message 4
Our vet also made the point that you did, midway between seasons if we decide to have her done after one or more seasons.Â
We had ours at 10 months old as a rescue, and she had been spayed at 6 months. She has shown no sign of any problems, except she marks her territory, half lifts her leg and thinks she is boss over all other dogs. Not sure how much of that is due to early spaying, but I suspect that doing it before a season eliminates some of the side effects. Most of which I have now forgotten. -
Message 23
Posted by strawberrysunrise (U10452397) on Wednesday, 7th October 2009
interesting, my golden retriever was done(on vets)advice as soon as possible(before first season), she is most definitely the boss of all male dogs,
I'm very pleased with her, as she hasn't put on weight and has no hang ups. recommend it early.
never breed your bitch unless you have 15 trusted friends that you think should have a dog.
sorry just get offered to many dogs. -
Message 24
Posted by posh_scouse_pinnedwithpride (U2514024) on Wednesday, 7th October 2009
ooOOoo, dober dogs... love em.
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Message 25
Posted by Campbell-in-Clogs (U8123405) on Wednesday, 7th October 2009
I talked to my pal who had her greyhound spayed a few years ago and she was astonished that it was even an option to do it before the first season. Doesn't happen over here apparantly. She did find a vet who had some sort of alternative procedure which meant that the scar was much smaller than normal (you see every mark on a greyhound and she just liked the idea of the cut being as small as possible). She also said it's worth shopping around as there's no standard price. (And believe me, she's not the sort to cut costs with her dog, she has her off to the vet's if she as much as stubs her toe. Literally... But there's no point in paying ridiculous money if the same, or even better, care can be had for much less elsewhere.)
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Message 26
Posted by strawberrysunrise (U10452397) on Thursday, 8th October 2009
me to posh but I have to research them,
vet prices seem to be really varied can't quite work out why the differences are so huge sometimes.
of the two practices in our local town they differ so much in price on so many things it hard to know which one to use,
both recommend having your bitch done as early as possible,it took me by surprise as the advice for all previous bitches had been to let them have a season or two, my vet is adamant that research shows that the bitches that are done before their first season suffer fewer complications later on,
and males dogs also suffer fewer complication the earlier that they are done. -
Message 27
Posted by Campbell-in-Clogs (U8123405) on Thursday, 8th October 2009
Picked up my new lodgerdog this afternoon. I'd never met her before. She looks like a smallish black hairy alsation. Tail like a fox with it's paw in a socket. Very much an action dog when outside but after a busy walk with lots of ball retrieving (which went an astonishing distance with one of those ball-throwing stick things - never used one of them before myself) she's now peacefull stretched out on the carpet. I'll hopefully get some pics up on my blog tomorrow after our beach outing.
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Message 28
Posted by posh_scouse_pinnedwithpride (U2514024) on Thursday, 8th October 2009
ooo, a foxy doxy. my Dolores was one of those.
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Message 29
Posted by Alejandrita (U2222432) on Thursday, 8th October 2009
Thu, 08 Oct 2009 22:11 GMT, in reply to strawberrysunrise in message 26
re cost of spaying - it cost 240 euros to spay Sombra, incl post op drugs (painkillers, antibiotics and antiinflams). Around these parts seems to cost pretty much the same everywhere. Interestingly it costs the same, or possibly even a bit more to spay a female cat. Getting boy creatures "done" is obviously cheaper (quicker, less complicated, bit like humans really, but that's a different thread topic altogether!!). OH thought the cost of the spay was pretty expensive, until I started listing the possible costs - economic and otherwise - of a litter (planned or otherwise). There's always a little part of me that would have loved to have had a bundle of little baby labs to care for...but then I take off the soppy hat! Actually it was out of our hands as Sombra's famous prolapse would've have prevented her breeding anyway.
Talking of which, she's now got her autumn kennel equipped - her plastic "door" and first lot of bedding to shred. This time we've started out with some of the children's old bedclothes. She LOVES it of course as it smells of them. Won't stop her ripping it all into a billion pieces though. -
Message 30
Posted by al-in-a-field (U3325483) on Friday, 9th October 2009
ditto.
Well, I have been known to be put off when my /feet/ are finally drenched through and every step is a sccchhlp feeling (don't mind the rest being drenched), but the canine couldn't care less. Good thing too at the moment!!
Al... -
Message 31
Posted by al-in-a-field (U3325483) on Friday, 9th October 2009
Bingo!
breaks my heart. The person who has Gromit's sister was on a self-destructive streak, and getting the dog pulled them out of it (having to take responsibility I guess). Brilliant result!
So, conclusion: breed puppies and give them to people who can't cope.
NNNNNNNNNNNooooooooooooooooooooooooooo -
Message 32
Posted by posh_scouse_pinnedwithpride (U2514024) on Friday, 9th October 2009
Anyone else love what Paul O'grady is doing to promote dog ownership?
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Message 33
Posted by al-in-a-field (U3325483) on Friday, 9th October 2009
? who he?
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Message 34
Posted by posh_scouse_pinnedwithpride (U2514024) on Friday, 9th October 2009
Lily Savage as was.
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Message 35
Posted by Campbell-in-Clogs (U8123405) on Friday, 9th October 2009
still no clearer for me Posh. I'm off to put up pics of the foxydoxy posing in her beachwear.
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Message 36
Posted by posh_scouse_pinnedwithpride (U2514024) on Friday, 9th October 2009
ok, he used to have an alter ego called Lily, he now has a daytime telly programme where his dogs appear and regulaly appeals for homes. google.
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Message 37
Posted by Campbell-in-Clogs (U8123405) on Sunday, 11th October 2009
current lodgerdoxy + a bonus bulldog (at no extra cost!
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Message 38
Posted by posh_scouse_pinnedwithpride (U2514024) on Sunday, 11th October 2009
anyway... guess who he lives with now. -
Message 39
Posted by al-in-a-field (U3325483) on Monday, 12th October 2009
awwwwww
I guess he couldn't let go...
Al... -
Message 40
Posted by al-in-a-field (U3325483) on Monday, 12th October 2009
How do you know that he did indeed adopt Scottie posh?
I would have a horrible time presenting homeless dogs for re-adoption. I would want to give them ALL a home.
don't think Gromit would approve.
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Message 41
Posted by Campbell-in-Clogs (U8123405) on Monday, 12th October 2009
the channel 4 link thingy doesn't work in furrin parts so I can't see this rescue person doing his stuff. Must be sooo difficult to do. (I've just formed a cunning plan to return the current lodgerdog a day late...;^})
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Message 42
Posted by Mustafa Grumble (U8596785) on Monday, 12th October 2009
All I get is a link to a long list of Paul O'Grady shows - is that right? If so, sorry, cannot stand him (I even prefer the loathsome Ross & Brand) and would prefer not to watch!
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Message 43
Posted by al-in-a-field (U3325483) on Monday, 12th October 2009
It should have been an episode, with a particular puppy romping about on his desk, and pretty obviuos that he had fallen for the puppy.
Must admit the rest of the programme (never seen it before) is not exactly to my taste, but he probably helps with rehoming of the dogs!
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Message 44
Posted by posh_scouse_pinnedwithpride (U2514024) on Monday, 12th October 2009
[How do you know that he did indeed adopt Scottie ]
cos Scottie is now called Bullseye and takes turns with Olga and Buster to work on the show. -
Message 45
Posted by al-in-a-field (U3325483) on Monday, 12th October 2009
I see.
Well, he certainly did look smitten!
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Message 46
Posted by posh_scouse_pinnedwithpride (U2514024) on Monday, 12th October 2009
Who could not be smit.
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Message 47
Posted by Campbell-in-Clogs (U8123405) on Tuesday, 13th October 2009
I'm having a serious reconsideration of my stance on bitches versus dogs... I've always preferred dogs because in my experience they have more joie-de-vivre than bitches. More get up and go. More enthusiasm for the great adventure of Going OutDoors. But my current lodgerdog is showing me that this is not necessarily always true. She's very much a Let's-Go! perfect companion. Intelligent, alert, keen to work. And it's so relaxing not to have any of that macho confrontation stuff which even the best behaved of dogs can sometimes display when meeting another macho type. Anyone with experience of both who has anything useful to say on the bitch/dog debate?
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Message 48
Posted by Dapply (U2437462) on Tuesday, 13th October 2009
Seren is a get up and go doggie - mention you are going anywhere and she is right there to help and accompany. Mention Bin in this house and you have an immediate companion for the long arduous journey (of about 20 feet), to the bin and back, with Seren being delightful company as we look at leaves fallen in the past hour since we last went to the bin, and search for all sorts of different smells. It is very dangerous going to the bin on your own round here without a doggie guard - according to Seren. You might go out, get lost and never come home.
She doesn't get treats; she just loves to go ANYWHERE with us.
Oscar on the other hand couldn't have cared less. -
Message 49
Posted by Campbell-in-Clogs (U8123405) on Tuesday, 13th October 2009
Seren sounds like my kind of dog. Up till now I've obviously been hanging about with the wrong kind of bitches. (Story of my life
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Message 50
Posted by Digitalis lividus et niger (U8605497) on Tuesday, 13th October 2009
Dogs v bitches? Doesn't it depend on the breed? But I do think the girls keep a percentage of affection back, to give to the children they might one day have, whereas a fellah, castrated especially, only has you. When he's had one mating alas, he remembers and wants another! We had a Dane, who was never mated (15 friends? 20, even) and he was a great butter lump. Thick as a brick, but d'you know, he did a spectacular Weave at trainign class. The fact that he burst into tears at DownStayOwnerOutOfSight is, I'm sure, irrelevant. He died far too soon, having a bladder infection which incredibly rapidly moved into his kidneys. His only chance was for dialysis 3 times a week.......
Bitches: We rescued a GSD/Lab cross, who'd been Done before her first heat, and her vulva never developed. Looked most peculiar, but did her no harm as far as we could tell. She was an OAP at the end.
Then we rescued a pure-bred GSD, thinking she was already spayed, but found she wasn't, so she was performed upon at the statutory 3 months after season. She lived to early middle age, having undergone a mammary strip, then developing secondary cancers. Life is so unfair!
I now have taken in a tiny hedgehoglet who weighs just 120gm. I've no great hopes of getting him through the winter, but he deserves his chance and I shall be just as devastated if his clogs are popped as I was with the dogs. What a fool the woman is.
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