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Message 1.Â
Posted by Fire-Pig - proud to wave the protest banner (U12231213) on Monday, 30th November 2009
As December starts, we all think about Christmas and the almost inevitable overeating. So a very warm welcome to the first Healthy Eating Club of this festive month. As I have just driven home between snow clad mountains, I do want it to be a warm welcome! All are welcome - please introduce yourself if you have only lurked so far. We try to encourage each other in our mutual quest to eat more healthily - this usually includes wanting to lose weight or inches as well. Our only rule is that we never mention our actual weight/ dress size/ vital statistics at any time, this is because we are all different. We can, however, proudly report any losses, or on occasion moan about gains. Any units are acceptable for these kilograms, grams, pounds, stones, inches or centimetres can all be understood.
We have no other set rule, some people like attending one of the various slimming groups in RL, others don’t some people report in several times a day, some daily, others weekly, it really doesn’t matter we don’t have an attendance list. We share our hopes, our tribulations and methods of coping with temptation. A stranger could be surprised sometimes by the turns the conversation takes - but please don’t be afraid to join in and make your own point.
As well as this thread we have three sister threads - Katy’s Cook Book, which can be found here Please share your discoveries of tasty healthy food, the kind we all love to eat
Our second sister thread is GEm’s cybergym in the effort to get us all moving a bit more, that can be found here
The third one is the Rota Thread - we take it in turns to open the door each week. There is no need to act as hostess and speak to everyone who comes in, just to open on Monday night or Tuesday morning. That can be found here
Please join us and make this a very healthy December for all of us.
KOKO - Keep on Keeping on - a mantra for us all
F-P -
Message 2
Posted by anagramladysin (U13783319) on Monday, 30th November 2009
Thank you so much for opening --- and a happy Christmas to all our readers --- and am just bookmarking really.
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Message 3
Posted by anagramladysin (U13783319) on Tuesday, 1st December 2009
But ........ continuing ........ am back from a weekend away with my aged mum and have put on two pounds in four days.
She needs to be encouraged to eat as she is frail and old and doesn't have any appetite.
I took her out for two meals and cooked two at home and she ate well and loved being taken out.
But for me this is disastrous.
In an interlude this w/e I went to a good friend who knows how I eat, and had a beautiful meal with her.
Coming home, I had another good friend to supper and she and I also eat the same.
I do SO well when I am on my own or with good friends, but a day with others can ruin my eating ......
Any help and advice? -
Message 4
Posted by Dusty Substances (U1474929) on Tuesday, 1st December 2009
I'd say looking after a frail mum for two days is no bad thing in the great scheme of things. It would be a sad world if a couple of days doing that was ruled out by any weight loss regime. Just get back on track now and you'll be fine. You'll just get to your target weight a couple of days later but have the satisfaction that you cared for you mum in the process.
Dx -
Message 5
Posted by Miftrefs Laura in Lothian bufily ftitching (U2587870) on Tuesday, 1st December 2009
Tue, 01 Dec 2009 08:28 GMT, in reply to anagramladysin in message 3
ana... please ignore this if it's too personal or just plain wrong, but - maybe one part of why you eat well alone but eat as you describe with others might be that your self-esteem isn't as high as it might be?
It's just that what you describe isn't so much "I eat greedily when in nice restaurants" or "I eat lots when socialising" but "I eat the same as the other person" - and I thik I've read that when people feel less sure about themselves, they mimic the other person more... so maybe you could think about how valuable you are. After all, you are the only You you have, aren't you?
And you want to take care of your You, and that means being a little firm and making your decisions for You, not just going along with someone else's decisions made for them not You, if that makes sense?!
laura -
Message 6
Posted by Fire-Pig - proud to wave the protest banner (U12231213) on Tuesday, 1st December 2009
Ana - I think you may have to separate out eating with your Mum and eating with people other than her. If she needs the encouragement of someone eating with her, then that really is a small price to pay for her company and looking after her. As I understand it, you are not with her permanently so it is only a couple of days. Perhaps be extra strict with yourself for a day or so before and after visits - would that help?
Being extra strict before something I have little control over is how I try to work it. Last night I was out for a dinner where there was minimal choice had I not listened to TA in the car to the very end, we might have arrived in time to choose the lemon sole but had to have the scampi instead! During the day, I did not have a regular afternoon snack - just part of a carrot as I chopped them for soup.
This morning, 1st December I can report ..... ta da .... in November I lost 4 whole pounds!! I have now lost 2 stone 9 lbs going from the ultimate Z stone 1 lbs all the way down through y stone and X stone to the present W stone 6 lbs. I don't know my alphabet backwards well enough to tell you my ultimate aim, but it would be good to reach the W stone marker before going on holiday at the end of January.
Think of me at 13.30 sitting in the dentist's chair for that crown, with my mouth open so wide that I'll be sore for a week afterwards, if it is anything like the temporary one!
KOKO one and all
F-P -
Message 7
Posted by Katy Tulip (U2239809) on Tuesday, 1st December 2009
Tue, 01 Dec 2009 09:11 GMT, in reply to Fire-Pig in message 1
Hi everyone!
Apols for the length of the post to come...
Well, our new(ish) WW system started last week, and so far so good - I'm following it to the letter, including filling out daily menu planners etc., because it has been tested extensively by all the WW instructors in Belgium, but now the assistants have been requested to do the same, even if they've been doing WW for yonks, and/or are at target weight.
As I said, so far so very good, in that I seem to have lost about 800 grammes (about 2,5 lbs) since last Wednesday, I'll know for sure tomorrow at my meeting. I think really going back to scratch and sticking to the plan has helped me to stop faffing about...
Basically, the system is called the ProPoints plan , and is similar to the one before, except the way the points value assigned to foods is a different (secret) formula, and based on each individual food's protein, carbohydrate, fat and fibre content.
On the basis of these 4 "building blocks", each food is assigned a certain points value, the healthy foods have two: you either eat a measured amount for a certain points value, or "an amount enough to make you feel full and really satisfied" for a set (higher) points value. For assigning the latter to certain foods, they also take into account the levels of salt, sugars, and saturated fats. These healthy foods take longer to digest and will keep you satisfied for longer, so stopping food cravings.
E.g. 100 gr of chicken breast is 3 points, or "eat as much as you want" for 5 points. This goes for protein-rich foods as well as foods in the carbohydrates group and certain dairy products. All (fresh) fruits, including bananas and grapes, are now free, and all vegetables except for the starchy ones such as peas, sweetcorn; etc. are also. Compared to before, the points for each food, where applicable, has *increased*.
However.
Depending on your current weight, age, gender, height and activity levels, you're assigned two Points Allowances, one for each day (which must be used up each day, to ensure you're eating enough), and one to be used (optionally) over the week, however you want to. This is calculated by your instructor, and reviewed every time you drop 6 kgs/1 stone. The number of points you're assigned is MUCH higher than before. You're allowed even more once you reach target weight.
E.g. I used to have a general points allowance of *17*/day, with the option of "saving up" max 1 point/day towards treats (you weren't allowed to eat less than 16 points worth of foods - my allowance was the lowest possible because I'm a titchy middle-aged female who now has very low activity levels).
Now, I must eat *29* points worth of food each day; additionally, I have a "treat allowance" of *49* points a week, which I can use up in one go/spread out over the week/not at all (but in the latter case it can't be carried over to the next week).
So this week, I stuck to the plan like glue, never felt hungry once, and used up my treats allowance in one fell swoop for my Dad's birthday afternoon teaparty last Saturday - treats included a Mojito aperitive, a small slice of lemon cake with lemon curd filling and buttercream icing (made by me, so I could calculate how much I could have exactly), a scone with jam and cream, a mince pie, as well as a plateful of various sandwiches and 2 sausage rolls.
Much motivated,
Katy
Am about to fret now re the Cookbook website... -
Message 8
Posted by Miftrefs Laura in Lothian bufily ftitching (U2587870) on Tuesday, 1st December 2009
Tue, 01 Dec 2009 09:18 GMT, in reply to Katy Tulip in message 7
Although I don't follow a specific food-plan, I really find it interesting and thought-provoking to read posts like yours and Dusty's, Katy.
Dusty's comment on the "tiny" fruitcake from M&S made me think really hard and the result is that I ow find I can slice it into four very thin slices and that two of those (ie hlf the portion) is quite enough for me, whereas previously I had unthinkingly eaten all of the portion without questioning it, because I thought of it as "one portion" and ot as what it really was!
Incidentally I noticed this week in M&S Food that their healthy range (Count on Us, I think?) now has the number of 'points' on the packaging, I think for WW? They do make the point (ho ho) that it's M&S's calculation of points, not any official WW calculation, but they use the WW system, if that makes sense? So it might be useful for WWers wanting to grab a quick ready-meal, or for anyone with a WWer visiting like GEm had last week, who can't go to the (very kind) lengths that GEm went to.
laura -
Message 9
Posted by Katy Tulip (U2239809) on Tuesday, 1st December 2009
Tue, 01 Dec 2009 09:36 GMT, in reply to Katy Tulip in message 7
Specifically re the MFC Cookbook.
First of all, as far as I can make out, the new Points ssytem is country-specific, and even has a different name, e.g. in Belgium is called Propoints, in the netherlands it's Flexipoints Comfort Plus, in the UK it's called Discover, in the US it's Momentum, and so on. As far as I can make out from looking at the recipes, although the points assigned to foods are similar, they are not always the same...
Secondly, the new formulas and points values assigned to all the foods you might want to use (a fat booklet listing 1000s of products, fresh and branded - all major Belgian supermarkets are represented) is heavily copyrighted and not in the public domain, you have to join a RL course/subscribe online to get at this information, or buy one of their new calculators.
I'm still editing the recipes and tips etc. from the latter half of this year's Cookbook & main MFC threads, due to RL I'm still just copying & pasting them for now (apols for not keeping up to speed more on that score), and then there's the WW info on the hundreds and hundreds of recipes already posted on the webwite itself... it's completely out of date now, and very misleading if you're following the newer plans, because the older values are much LOWER than now. Not to mention the fact that they could vary per country. So updating them all would be a major undertaking, and in the mean time, the WW info on my recipes could really booger up someone's eating plans if following WW...
Freewebs, who host the MFC Cookbook, have very strict rules about breaching anyone's copyright rights (as is only correct), and could zap the Cookbook if I breach them (which I wouldn't feel at all comfortable in doing so anyway).
I'm also fretting now that the WS info is out of date, Dusty, am I right in thinking that the SW Extra Easy plans are quite different to the Red/Green Day ones?
Headache headache.
In short (hur hur), I'm so sorry, but I think I'm going to have to remove all the info already on the website, and not add the new info instead/in the future. Anyone following WW will be able to very easily calculate the points/look them up in their Points booklet from the more general dieting info provided (and which I'll of course continue to give as that is freely available to anyone who cares to Google for it).
Oh dear.
Fret fret.
Katy -
Message 10
Posted by Dusty Substances (U1474929) on Tuesday, 1st December 2009
Katy - my head is reeling at the details of WW! I can't begin to think what you have to do! Good luck.
With Extra Easy (this isn't the full explanation) you can choose free foods from both red and green on the same day. There are differences to the number of healthy extras and the syn values are the same except where there is a difference between the syn value on a red day or a green day (in which case you choose the lower one).
The syn values of recipes would be easily sorted out by anyone familiar with the plan, which if you are doing SW with a group or on line you would be.
Dx -
Message 11
Posted by Miftrefs Laura in Lothian bufily ftitching (U2587870) on Tuesday, 1st December 2009
Tue, 01 Dec 2009 09:43 GMT, in reply to Katy Tulip in message 9
{{{hugs}}} Katy.
Poor you - just as you get years of work beautifully coming together as well!
laura -
Message 12
Posted by Katy Tulip (U2239809) on Tuesday, 1st December 2009
Tue, 01 Dec 2009 09:51 GMT, in reply to Laura in Lothian () in message 8
Hi Laura!
Thanks for your comments.
As I see it, what WW is aming to do is to get people to really fill up on healthy wholsomefoods from all the food groups (the daily meal planner's also have boxes to tick (if you can be bovvered), to ensure you're drinking enough water; eating 2-3 calcium products/day; 2 portions of "pure" fats (pref unsaturated)/day, and at least 5-day fruit and veg. And to stop people overcompensating treats by starving themselves before/afterwards, by the "saving up of points method before", whereas now you must eat a required minimum, while knowing you've got a stash of points in hand for treats, as it were.
Incidentally I noticed this week in M&S Food that their healthy range (Count on Us, I think?) now has the number of 'points' on the packaging, I think for WW? They do make the point (ho ho) that it's M&S's calculation of points, not any official WW calculation, but they use the WW system, if that makes sense? So it might be useful for WWers wanting to grab a quick ready-meal, or for anyone with a WWer visiting like GEm had last week, who can't go to the (very kind) lengths that GEm went to.Â
We have them in supermarkets too (chiller and freezer section), though my instructor pointed out that the points assigned to them per copuntry might be diffent, to take in to account the population's general eating habits. Bear in mind one thing tho', if you want to use these meals: if find (here in Belgium at least), that the portions are on the small side, so need suplementing with e.g. more veg, and they're very expensive! But then, we don't (yet) have such a ready-meal culture over here, although that's in the steady increase.
katy -
Message 13
Posted by Katy Tulip (U2239809) on Tuesday, 1st December 2009
Tue, 01 Dec 2009 10:02 GMT, in reply to Dusty Substances in message 10
Hi Dusty!
Snork - it's actually not that difficult if you've been following the older WW system, just a lot of looking up to do for the new points values of foods. And I like the fact that I don't have to worry about "saving up points" from a daily allowance, I think that I was not eating enough lately, trying to compensate for the very full family weekends, I've certainly never felt so full as I have the past week...
With Extra Easy (this isn't the full explanation) you can choose free foods from both red and green on the same day. There are differences to the number of healthy extras and the syn values are the same except where there is a difference between the syn value on a red day or a green day (in which case you choose the lower one).
The syn values of recipes would be easily sorted out by anyone familiar with the plan, which if you are doing SW with a group or on line you would be.Â
Ah, I understand now.
I never added the exact syns-value for foods on to the recipes when editing because that info isn't in the public domain.
Wouild you mind taking a random squiz on a couple of pages on my website to see if the info is still acurate? If it's also out of date/no longer appropriate, then I'd better remove it too, and only keep the general dieting info on the recipes as before, i.e. the calorie/fat/Net carb contents.
Really really don't want to muck up anyone's eating plans if they're following SW either....
Katy -
Message 14
Posted by Fire-Pig - proud to wave the protest banner (U12231213) on Tuesday, 1st December 2009
I can feel your pain Katy - changing goalposts or systems is so difficult for people to get used to. Will it mean everyone who follows WW having to buy new recipe books with the new points or will they be able to convert their old ones?
Personally, I think all these points systems just goes to show truth of the old adage "horses for courses". I used to be a Maths teacher and still think of myself as a mathematician, but I just cannot imagine myself coping with such a numerical system in my eating. On my days off, I cook in quantity and freeze ahead for use on work days., weighing out portions would be a nightmare, for me.
Please note, I am NOT disparaging it for other people just saying it is not for me.
F-P -
Message 15
Posted by Katy Tulip (U2239809) on Tuesday, 1st December 2009
Tue, 01 Dec 2009 10:05 GMT, in reply to Katy Tulip in message 13
P.S. Need to disappear now, RL beckons rather urgently and I'm still sat here in my pj's!
Oops.
Katy -
Message 16
Posted by Isabel Archer (U13716168) on Tuesday, 1st December 2009
Morning all
Another one here who, despite a fairly logical brain, could not cope with points for eating. Good luck to those who can though - whatever works.
Still eating healthily and in a more controlled way than before thanks to the Eye of Mustard which stares at me unblinkingly when I open the fridge. I'm not sure if it's enough to help me lose weight as I'm not weighing myself* but it has certainly stopped the rot and I feel a bit more comfortable in my clothes and myself.
* For me, scales are associated with the kind of yo-yo dieting and binge eating that has messed me up before. I don't know if it's a mistake not to weigh myself but I know that I am happier and feel more in control when I don't. -
Message 17
Posted by Katy Tulip (U2239809) on Tuesday, 1st December 2009
Tue, 01 Dec 2009 10:10 GMT, in reply to Fire-Pig in message 14
Will it mean everyone who follows WW having to buy new recipe books with the new points or will they be able to convert their old ones?Â
No, we've all been handed booklets updating the points values for all the recipes in all the cookbooks (and they're's quite a handful). But the old calculators and special scales, which calculated points for you as they weighed, are obsolete. My isntructor, knowing months in advance of the changes, hasn't sold any of the latter two for months now in her "shop" at the RL meeting. The new system does cut out a lot of the weighing for proteins and carbs, if you use the set number of points for the "as much as you want" option. And of course, you don't need to count any fruit, or most vegetables.
Please note, I am NOT disparaging it for other people just saying it is not for me.Â
Of course you aren't, as you say, horses for courses.
Oh dear, I'm so off outta here right now!
katy -
Message 18
Posted by Miftrefs Laura in Lothian bufily ftitching (U2587870) on Tuesday, 1st December 2009
Tue, 01 Dec 2009 10:17 GMT, in reply to Fire-Pig in message 14
f-p,
it is indeed "horses for courses" and I'm another who recoils from the order of a 'system'!
BUT... I really benefited* from spending a day or three seriously measuring and weighing things and looking up not just the calories but also the sugar/carbs and the fat and salt levels. It was a real eye-opener for me and I /had/ thought I knew quite a bit about nutrition!
So even if you don't like that way of living, I found it well worth learning much more about what I eat and it has had some real lasting benefits.
I freeze big batches too as individual portions, and I find the portions are far smaller than they used to be! Things like my sausage stew with onion, garlic and paprika - I make a portion one sausage fewer now and replace it with more veg and gravy, and I still feel every bit as full, partly because it is still a perfectly good helping but also because I ow consciously have a larger helping of kale or cabbage or salad to add bulk which is very low in fat/ carbs/ calories whilst filling me up!
laura
*was about to type "I really gained..." but actually I lost, not gained! -
Message 19
Posted by Auntie Prue (U1481323) on Tuesday, 1st December 2009
Hello - back again - and am delighted to say that I only gained two or three pounds during the cruise. I ate and drank lots more than I would normally have - but kept an eye on the carbs as I went - so I think that helped a lot to prevent much weight gain.
I calculated that by not having a roll and butter with lunch and dinner, I saved myself from gaining three or four pounds over the three and a half weeks. I think most of the weight gain was down to increased alcohol consumption and having a breakfast double the usual size, plus a bun at teatime several times.
Cruise was lovely and I have a suntan for now - rapidly fading though. It was just the tonic we needed - back to normal with rain at Dover and a frost this morning though!
I do hope everyone is OK, and I have brought you all some of these calorie free Turkish pastries to have with your tea or coffee : )
Good to be back though.
Now for Christmas! -
Message 20
Posted by archingmad (U8292055) on Tuesday, 1st December 2009
My head is reeling from reading all about points, cals, carbs, not to mention those GLs and GIs lurking about somewhere in the background. But I put that down to having failed Maths 'O' level twice and having a mild form of number blindness. I'm sure it all makes sense to normal brains.
I know my failings only too well. Late last night I found a packet of Maryland cookies (that I did not buy) staring at me from the cupboard while I was making my Ovaltine Lite. What's the good of Lite, you fule, when you dunk four MCs in it?????
I now have the motivation that if I don't fit into that slim-fit evening dress in January I will have to go out and buy a new one - aaagh - not a great lover of shopping. I will mention this to Mr Mean, who may as a consequence stop buying this cr*p in order to trip me up. He isn't eating them.
Next on the agenda is to try and eat more. Odd, isn't it. But oh yes, I'm so smug on my two ryvitas, low fat shavings of cheese, an apple and a handful of sunflower seeds for lunch every day (boring). Come "tea" time I'm starving and succumb to any fatty, sweet nosh in the house. That doesn't keep me going for long and before supper is ready I'm stuffing a packet of crisps down as fast as I can (as if speed can lessen the damage!).
The final coup de grace will be joining the Mermaid in increasing water consumption, but it's sooo cold I'd rather have a coffee, which leads to *you know what*. And I'm really going out for a walk NOW, yes I am. I haven't been out for days, making excuses about the weather, but I have no excuses today - cold, but sunny.
Oh yes, and more VEG, more VEG. -
Message 21
Posted by Auntie Prue (U1481323) on Tuesday, 1st December 2009
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Here we are - I am second from the left wearing an almond green Berber dress than I bought in an arab souk. -
Message 22
Posted by archingmad (U8292055) on Tuesday, 1st December 2009
Wow Auntie Pru
How very svelte you look. I like the idea of a Berber dress, is it loose and flowing and elegant? I don't think a five foot wonder like me could get away with it. -
Message 23
Posted by Miftrefs Laura in Lothian bufily ftitching (U2587870) on Tuesday, 1st December 2009
Tue, 01 Dec 2009 14:10 GMT, in reply to archingmad in message 20
Auntie Prue, as I sit here sans heating in a house with all its doors open (boiler being replaced) and a temperature now measuring exactly the same indoors as outdoors at half a degree BELOW zero Centirgade (it was so cosy a while back at 5 degrees, but then they needed to bring more stuff in and out so...), there are words I can think of to comment on your su-tanning cruise, but I amn't allowed to post any of 'em!!!
Congrats on eating thoughtfully throughout - that's a real skill...
archingmad, re the coffee/ water/ coldness problem - what about no-cofee hot drinks? I universally loathe tea, coffee, cocoa, hot chocolate and all herbal infusions, ie herbal 'teas' - the lot.
But in an effort to keep self warm I've taken to pint-mugs of boiling water with a cordial in it. I love cordials and get through quite a bit in summer with fizzy water or tapwater (remembering they have tons of sugar!) and Belvoir's Spiced Winter Berries one works gorgeously as a hot drink too...
Roll on teatime when the boiler gets reconnected: although of course dropping the temperature helps you burn calories - we've all had noticeably heartier appetites yesterday and today!!
laura -
Message 24
Posted by Mermaid the Swishy-Fishy-Tailed Wise One (U10731448) on Tuesday, 1st December 2009
Tue, 01 Dec 2009 14:11 GMT, in reply to archingmad in message 20
Hallo, all.
Somehow didn't get into last week's thread. Week just vanished.
No weight change, although I think I've been overdoing the bread and spuds.
Cold Climate Causes Carb Craving.
So I'd better get back here before I slip into bad habits again.
Water! Water! Water! -
Message 25
Posted by anagramladysin (U13783319) on Tuesday, 1st December 2009
Thank you for your thoughtful posts about mother-eating; very helpful. From time to time I think she must be unconsciously sabotaging me ... knowing I am best without wheat, she will "make a cake specially" for me, then serve a supper of quiche and crumble ....
BUT I have nagged her for ages about drinking more water and she is finally doing it ... by drinking HOT water. Seems bizarre to me, but if it helps, why not? Thought this might be the answer for some of you above. -
Message 26
Posted by Mermaid the Swishy-Fishy-Tailed Wise One (U10731448) on Tuesday, 1st December 2009
Tue, 01 Dec 2009 16:56 GMT, in reply to anagramladysin in message 25
In this weather I prefer water with the chill off it. Otherwise it feels like being on the outside of a glacial waterfall. -
Message 27
Posted by Isabel Archer (U13716168) on Tuesday, 1st December 2009
You look very glam Auntie Prue.
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Message 28
Posted by Auntie Prue (U1481323) on Tuesday, 1st December 2009
Svelte!!!??? Very kind of you archingmad - but a bit of a way to go to deserve that description : )
The dress is long sleeved and lose fitting, and has trousers. Most of the Tunisian women are quite short, so being just 5 ft would be OK. I'm not tall - but I loved the colour and it is very comfortable. Sorry it has had to be put away for the duration of the winter, as it is very light wool.
I feel for Laura in her sub zero temperatures. We had a sharp frost here this morning when I went out to catch the bus, and was very grateful for the heating when I got home.
I hope Laura is snug and cosy again soon. -
Message 29
Posted by Miftrefs Laura in Lothian bufily ftitching (U2587870) on Tuesday, 1st December 2009
Tue, 01 Dec 2009 17:32 GMT, in reply to Auntie Prue in message 28
I am snug again indeed! And ooooOOOooo it's luvverly!
Moving furniture and everything back into my kitchen-in-the-scullery and trying to really see what I have in the way of food-stocks and what I should think of getting or get rid of, etc.
laura -
Message 30
Posted by Auntie Prue (U1481323) on Tuesday, 1st December 2009
How about we all get together for a final goodbye naughty food pigout at Laura's warm and cosy kitchen?
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Message 31
Posted by Fire-Pig - proud to wave the protest banner (U12231213) on Tuesday, 1st December 2009
Glad to hear that you have been reconnected to the 21st Century - Laura. Way back this morning, you said you had benefited by weighing and measuring and calculating for a couple of days - I have done that too. It is the ongoing calculating day by day that wouldn't suit me.
Auntie Prue - well done you! What a lovely outfit any chance you could wear it in the winter with something warm underneath (T-shirt/ thick tights). I do that with a couple of outfits I love, OH checks nothing shows before I go out!
Arching, you are going to have to learn to look at those biscuits firmly, remember the Eye of Mustard can help you, tell them that they are NOT to tempt you. Have you a picture of your evening outfit you can put on the cupboard door so that you see it and it will tell you that you really really do not need the biscuits now as you ARE going to wear that dress. (Ignore this if it is not possible - just an idea)
I am someone who can drink water by the gallon - ever since living in the sub-Sahara when it was DRY. So I can't advise anyone how to increase their intake, sorry! Most days I drink 3 one-litre carafes of the stuff, so possibly not a gallon!
Back from the dentist and a shopping trip. Not so long in the chair today as last time, but I'll have you know I now have a gold crown! Nobody will ever see it though except a dentist! I had to buy a new liquidiser as I had worn the old one out (!!). I was amazed to see a recipe inside for carrot and coriander soup where you whizz all the ingredients BEFORE cooking rather than afterwards. I would have thought that chopping carrots like that would strain the motor - any thoughts?
KOKO one and all
F-P -
Message 32
Posted by Mermaid the Swishy-Fishy-Tailed Wise One (U10731448) on Tuesday, 1st December 2009
Tue, 01 Dec 2009 18:02 GMT, in reply to Fire-Pig in message 31
Oh no!
She'll be sitting on a flipping throne next and expecting us all to bow and curtsey to her.
THOUGHT:
Depends on the type of 'throne'. Some thrones command less respect than others. -
Message 33
Posted by Fire-Pig - proud to wave the protest banner (U12231213) on Tuesday, 1st December 2009
But of course pWFM, and you are someone I might actually meet! However I do NOT want a flipping throne I want a stable one!
When the first Pentax single lens reflex cameras were imported into Britain the instructions said "Do not touch the flipping mirror". Literal translation is not always best!
F-P -
Message 34
Posted by Mermaid the Swishy-Fishy-Tailed Wise One (U10731448) on Tuesday, 1st December 2009
Tue, 01 Dec 2009 18:24 GMT, in reply to Fire-Pig in message 33
Ah - yes - a flipping throne might land you in the......... -
Message 35
Posted by Auntie Prue (U1481323) on Tuesday, 1st December 2009
,,,,, and we all thought that it was irene who was Her Madge!
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Message 36
Posted by orange pekoe (U9563764) on Tuesday, 1st December 2009
...lap of the footman.
Welcome back to all returned travellers. Sounds like a good time was had by all, and negligible extra inches to show for it!
Ana, does this give you some idea of how you can choose food that suits your plan assertively without offending others? I suppose it's different if they've cooked for you and there's little choice. You sound a little downhearted, so here's some glittery magic motivation for you:
* * ' *
* ' * * '
' * * *
I'm the opposite: still find it easier to make the healthier choices when out. I'm much more likely to succumb to a cheeky biscuit (or few!) or other random treat when at home. Cooking tea is Danger Time, so I'm trying to remember to crunch on a carrot or something.
Have been stable on x stone for a couple of weeks now, so would be a great Christmas present to myself to dip underneath it. Still doing as much walking as poss, so I'm hoping that my muscles are continuing to tone up too. Definitely feel much fitter. The Long Walk I started on back in the summer (puff, pant) is now a quick one I fit in when I've not got so much time! -
Message 37
Posted by countrypug (U9227943) on Tuesday, 1st December 2009
Evening folks and thanks for opening F-P.
There have been lots of interesting posts tonight, food for thought (haha). I've weighed this morning, not good, but not really surprising, so a new start (again) as I really need to get this in hand before Christmas. I had a good 45 minute very brisk walk this afternoon which helped, and only fruit for nibbling today (pineapple, carrot and banana, not all together though).
Quorn lasagne for tea, and smoked mackerel pate for lunch.
I have to go out to work for a while now, but will be back - bye!
Pug x -
Message 38
Posted by Mermaid the Swishy-Fishy-Tailed Wise One (U10731448) on Tuesday, 1st December 2009
Tue, 01 Dec 2009 21:06 GMT, in reply to countrypug in message 37
Back. Managed to remember a bit more water.
Made a soup I liked the other day - carrot and betternot squash plus ginger and lemon.
pedal on, friends. -
Message 39
Posted by Miftrefs Laura in Lothian bufily ftitching (U2587870) on Tuesday, 1st December 2009
Tue, 01 Dec 2009 21:21 GMT, in reply to Auntie Prue in message 35
,,,,, and we all thought that it was irene who was Her Madge!Â
With all the references to being on the other kind of throne or being flipped into the..., it sounds more like f-p is auditioning to be Her Cludge!
*Cludge or cludgie is a Scots very informal term for a loo!)
laura -
Message 40
Posted by Fire-Pig - proud to wave the protest banner (U12231213) on Tuesday, 1st December 2009
What a wonderful typo PWFM, I love the idea of betternot squash, I think there are some betternot biscuits in this house!
I am not auditioning Laura, I KNOW that I have a gold crown, I am secure in that knowledge. It don't half feel funny! Unlike Her Madge, I won't be able to take it off/out when I go to bed! My mouth felt all funny as I ate supper, almost as if it wasn't my mouth! This crown business will take some getting used to!
KOKO one and all
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Message 41
Posted by Mermaid the Swishy-Fishy-Tailed Wise One (U10731448) on Tuesday, 1st December 2009
Tue, 01 Dec 2009 22:43 GMT, in reply to Fire-Pig in message 40
I thought afterwards I should have typed betternot squish. (sorry to disillusion you but it was, unusually, a deliberate typo.)
How many diamonds in your crown? -
Message 42
Posted by archingmad (U8292055) on Wednesday, 2nd December 2009
drinking HOT waterÂ
I was drinking cold water by the gallon in Singapore, but find it so difficult when it's not so hot here.
The cordial idea doesn't appeal, sorry, bit too sweet for me, but I used to enjoy an early morning hot water with lemon juice - until the dentist told me it was wearing away the enamel on my teeth. So I stopped. I don't like herbal teas, but a lemon or grapefruit one is acceptable. Perhaps I can force myself back on to those. When I was being very strict with myself prior to DD's wedding I cut out coffee altogether by drinking fruit tea. I only have one or two coffees a day, but can't drink it without something to eat, whereas I can drink fruit teas without eating. Yes, I must switch at least one of the coffees back to fruit tea.
I have got four gold crowns - the front one mercifully has an enamel cover. I hate them, one of them catches the light when I smile. Flashback: I was going through a very tough time some years back when DD, just a nipper then, said: Mummy, I love it when you smile. OMG I felt so guilty, I must have had such a miserable face all the time and letting my misery show through to my little girl, smiling so rarely she had to remark on it. Do you, darling? Yes, mummy, cos when you smile your teeth match your earrings. -
Message 43
Posted by Miftrefs Laura in Lothian bufily ftitching (U2587870) on Wednesday, 2nd December 2009
Wed, 02 Dec 2009 07:10 GMT, in reply to archingmad in message 42
I used to enjoy an early morning hot water with lemon juice - until the dentist told me it was wearing away the enamel on my teeth. So I stopped.Â
aha!
When I did my MSc thesis, I read an entire dental teaching library in three months and have since spent quite a bit of time exploring further, and with some very lovely dental bods as well to ask things of.
Citrus juice is bad for your enamel, and lemon/ grapefruit juice is worst of all*, your dentist was right.
BUT there are ways to mitigate that - diluting it, as you describe, is one way. Another important one is to know that after eating or drinking almost anything your enamel is a bit softish for half an hour or so - many people brush their teeth after breakfast and that brushes the enamel away if you're unlucky. So brushing your teeth before breakfast helps your enamel. Sipping the drink over hours and hours is bad, too, as your mouth never has a chance to re-balance its own bacteria etc. Eating after an acidic drink helps rinse the acid away, especially if you can end the meal with cheese or milk of gum containing xylitol. Then try to have 3 hours or more between meals with nothing but water so your mouth can balance itself out and do its thang!
Do check again with your dentist, because from what I've read, having a drink of hot water and lemon juice, not brushing your teeth straight after, drinking it relatively quickly over ten minutes rather than sipping it over an hour, and having breakfast afterwards, ending with a drink of milk or bit of cheese or gum with xylitol - that shouldn't damage your enamel more than ordinary food and drink in daily life does.
I read up on all this stuff because my combination of thin enamel plus lazy mouth-bacteria plus too many fizzy drinks has caused me much damage!!
laura
*iirc, scale of common liquids incredibly bad for your enamel's health: lemon/ grapefruit juice worst of all, then diet-cola, then full-sugar cola, then diet-lemonade, then full-sugar lemonade, then fizzy water which is still really bad for your teeth (it's the carbonating) -
Message 44
Posted by orange pekoe (U9563764) on Wednesday, 2nd December 2009
Oh, Isabel, I meant to say yesterday, I think not weighing is better for you. Some here have the discipline to weigh only monthly. I (who until a few months ago only stepped onto a scale once in a blue moon) still weigh about once a week, and can fess up to going through phases of leaping on at any opportunity, which is no good at all.
But getting into a mindset of "I know I feel better" and not relying on the scales to tell you that is a pretty good place to be, I reckon.
Now, more confessions. I really needed some chocolate yesterday evening. None was to be had. So I nuked some butter, black treacle, bit of sugar and cocoa in the microwave, stirred in lots of oats and ate it with a spoon!
Do you think the oats make that count as a healthy-ish treat?! And think of all the iron in the treacle! (Ignore the butter and sugar...) -
Message 45
Posted by Mermaid the Swishy-Fishy-Tailed Wise One (U10731448) on Wednesday, 2nd December 2009
Wed, 02 Dec 2009 12:24 GMT, in reply to orange pekoe in message 44
Can I lick out the bowl?
I bought a spatula at Lland last week that will scrape up every morsel, so don't tell me the bowl is empty. My spatula will still find something worth licking. -
Message 46
Posted by Katy Tulip (U2239809) on Wednesday, 2nd December 2009
Wed, 02 Dec 2009 13:18 GMT, in reply to Katy Tulip in message 7
Much motivated,Â
And ditto - 800 gr weightloss confirmed this morning at my RL WW meeting! After dithering around the same weight for over a year, this is so brill.
The meeting went well generally, lots of questions and so on, but on the whole, the majority of peeps have got the hang of the new system very quickly. Our instructor added on an exta session at the end for those who wanted more guidance, and is also available on email should the need arise.
Really chuffed,
Katy -
Message 47
Posted by Miftrefs Laura in Lothian bufily ftitching (U2587870) on Wednesday, 2nd December 2009
Wed, 02 Dec 2009 13:56 GMT, in reply to Katy Tulip in message 46
Well done, Katy!!
A year is a bloomin' long time for a plateau and you must have thought you were stuck there for life!
laura -
Message 48
Posted by Auntie Prue (U1481323) on Wednesday, 2nd December 2009
I think that the plateau is one of the most difficult things. Patience works in the end - but if can be very annoying indeed.
Well done Katy. -
Message 49
Posted by Fire-Pig - proud to wave the protest banner (U12231213) on Wednesday, 2nd December 2009
Glad to hear the meeting went well Katy - and even more so to hear that you have left that plateau!
Tried Delia's stir fried red cabbage tonight but I made a BIG mistake. I didn't have any ground cloves so used 2 whole ones and said to look out for them. OH bit into BOTH of them, Sod's law isn't it? The looks I got from the other side of the table were not very friendly! BTW I thought it was delicious! I didn't have enough time to do the traditional braised red cabbage, this one took about half an hour or so.
F-P -
Message 50
Posted by Mabel Bagshawe (U2222589) on Wednesday, 2nd December 2009
Wed, 02 Dec 2009 21:11 GMT, in reply to Fire-Pig in message 49
Somehow managed to lose 1.5 pounds, so on the right side of the stone zone tonight - when the hormones are on overdrive!
Guess what - OH is cooking chips for supper!
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