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Message 1.Ìý
Posted by Anne-Marie (U1474870) on Tuesday, 8th December 2009
I've just spotted that we haven't got a new thread for this week, so I thought I'd do the honours. I'm not realy meant to be here (got an assignment to do), so it'll be post and run I'm afraid, and I'm shamelessly plagiarising Fire-pig's opening from last week so that we can get started asap.
Hope that's ok folks! -
Message 2
Posted by Fire-Pig - proud to wave the protest banner (U12231213) on Tuesday, 8th December 2009
Thanks for opening A-M by copying and pasting you lost the links so if you go to you should find the live links for the sister threads.
I noticed the plagiarism - but you had not driven home with snow clad mountains!
I did not manage the good evening I wanted last night - Mum not well, Sis banned by the doctor from seeing Mum (Sis has had leukaemia and may be immune compromised) and Bro being the usual prat that he is. If worry could lose weight I'd have had the best year ever for slimming! I slept badly and woke with a bad headache. I am now going to take myself upstairs and relax making Christmas Cards - can't nibble while doing that!
KOKO
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Message 3
Posted by Katy Tulip (U2239809) on Tuesday, 8th December 2009
Tue, 08 Dec 2009 10:19 GMT, in reply to Anne-Marie
Hullo you two - I was just about to do exactly the same as you Anne-Marie, good job I checked the mayo first!
To save people trawling, here are those links:
The Cook Book can be found here
GEm’s cybergym can be found here:
The Rota Thread can be found here
Must dash off now, back later,
Katy -
Message 4
Posted by Anne-Marie (U1474870) on Tuesday, 8th December 2009
Sorry about messing up the links - just shows how much I was dashing. I will preview next time. Thank you Fire-pig and Katy for sorting me out, and not leaving the MFC in such a confused way!
AMx -
Message 5
Posted by Sixties Relic SAVE ML (U13777237) on Tuesday, 8th December 2009
Hello everyone.
I have just come back from a week on Orkney, staying with an old friend, who is very overweight and claims to be trying to lose weight.
Unfortunately
a) she insisted on doing all the cooking
b) was dishing out HUGE portion sizes
c) had a load of mince pies and choccie biscuits to hand
Yes, I know I could have left some of the large portions on my plate and I could have ignored the mince pies and choccie biccies....but I didn't.
No willpower, see?
Oh well. I'll start again now and be good this week. -
Message 6
Posted by Westsussexbird or Birdy aka Westie (U6316532) on Tuesday, 8th December 2009
I've been busy today and hadn't noticed we didn't have a new thread ... so thankyou to Ann-Marie and of course Katy our backup :0)))
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Message 7
Posted by anagramladysin (U13783319) on Tuesday, 8th December 2009
Bookmarking (but feeling fat ...)
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Message 8
Posted by archingmad (U8292055) on Tuesday, 8th December 2009
Forgot to weigh myself this morning, which I actually take as I good sign as it's usually a daily routine. However, I'm guessing that I'm still hovering in the safety zone between the xstone and a half where I would like to be and the bogey ystone, which strikes terror in me. Typing it like that reminds me in a warm and reassuring way that I did once hit zstone when I was in the depths of depression and on anti-depressants.
I have just volunteered to open on the 22nd - I am an OP virgin, be gentle. -
Message 9
Posted by sunlitfern (U1481854) on Tuesday, 8th December 2009
Tue, 08 Dec 2009 20:12 GMT, in reply to archingmad in message 8
Hello all
Well a 1lb on for me this week but as I have lost 6lb in 3 weeks which is sooo unlike me I am fairly happy about it. This week however has the Christmas meal with work which does include cheese, which will be eaten with great enjoyment.
Now 6lb away form target as I have decided to go with the lower of my 2 goals and get down to the stone marker.
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Message 10
Posted by Mabel Bagshawe (U2222589) on Tuesday, 8th December 2009
Tue, 08 Dec 2009 20:26 GMT, in reply to sunlitfern in message 9
Just clocking in - not expecting great shakes when I weigh tomorrow as had a topsy turvey weekend of travelling and eating and attending a once in a lifetime event where I just couldn't turn down the nice food -
Message 11
Posted by countrypug (U9227943) on Tuesday, 8th December 2009
Evening all, and thanks so much for opening up A-M - like most of us, I hadn't noticed we had no volunteer. I'll hop over there next and get my name down!
Mabel, maybe tomorrow will not be as bad as you expect, and lets face it, you couldn't have missed that once in a lifetime event (any clues?) as you would have regretted that for much longer than any minor gain.
Sunlit, you have done really well with your 6lbs off, so keep on that great track and that target will soon be with you.
Archi, well done on forgetting to weigh, as I do think (personally obviously) that too often is not good. I hope the next few weeks go well, and I'm sure your opening will be, like you, absolutely fabulous.
Ana and Westie, good to see you here too. Ana, positive thinking my dear, you are not fat, you are getting thinner, even if it is (like me) rather slowly.
Sixties, much jealousy on the Orkney trip - how was the weather? I too would have no chance on refusing the choices. Isn't it funny how portion sizes can vary so much? I think ours are definitely smaller than they were two years ago, which can only be a good thing.
Katie and F-P, ~~waves~~, hope to see you both later in the week.
OK, catch up over. I've done better than expected this week, with a 1.2kg loss. I was really pleased, and I know the run last week and gym trip yesterday are largely the reason I have lost weight. It is the most I have lost for ages, and I am still a fair bit from my best yet (in July), and a long way from target, but still in the right direction. I'm off to London with the family this weekend, so hotel breakfasts, and eating out, and wine......... not going to be a loss next week is it?
I must try to keep the control going till Friday though, so that I can enjoy the weekend.
I hope we all have a good week.
Pug x -
Message 12
Posted by Fire-Pig - proud to wave the protest banner (U12231213) on Tuesday, 8th December 2009
I have had a good day on the Card Making front - 15 I think, and some more part way through the process. The other good thing was Mother ringing this evening, still sounding feek & weeble, as we used to say, but telling me that just one day of the right anti-biotics had made all the difference and she now felt like a new woman (at 92!)
Eating not so good had bread and cheese at lunch, I've said it before, I can cope far better at the office than at home!
Read this in today's Independent
and immediately thought I must find the link and post it here.
Archi, don't worry about opening up, just waffle to your heart's content about what you value in MFC - that's what I did!
Sunlit, well done you! I am just thinking about ordering some new trousers and getting the next size down - is that too rash?
KOKO one and all
F-P -
Message 13
Posted by LostInML (U13646691) on Wednesday, 9th December 2009
I too cope better at work than at home. Less time to think about food. Not as many opportunities to eat. Fewer temptations around. That's why the Christmas period is so difficult. I'm working on buying stuff for the family which I absolutely will not eat rather than stuff I will be tempted to gnaw at as well. If the food isn't there in the first place, my resolve tends to be much firmer (or I am just too lazy to go out and forage...)
The article was interesting. Nutrition AND exercise, eh? And regular commitment to it. That's what we all need to remember!! -
Message 14
Posted by orange pekoe (U9563764) on Wednesday, 9th December 2009
Thanks for that link, F-P. Much more balanced reporting than others I've seen on this, which were indeed along the "Exercise makes you fat" line.
The only thing I'd say is that they didn't emphasize enough that exercise needn't be The Gym or a sweaty jog. Many of us in here have found regular walking to be fantastic exercise. There was a brief mention of lower-impact exercise being good for fat-burning, but the summary at the end was more about gym-type stuff.
Anyway, as LostinML says, good nutrition, exercise and a long-term commitment to both. MFC's research is unpublishable, being entirely anecdotal, but I think we'd already discovered that! -
Message 15
Posted by LostInML (U13646691) on Wednesday, 9th December 2009
Well, I've certainly found I need both. I've tried to do it solo (diet, no exercise or exercise & no cutting back on food) and that doesn't work. So reluctantly I have reached the conclusion that I need to be both sensible about what I eat AND do regular exercise...
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Message 16
Posted by Miftrefs Laura in Lothian bufily ftitching (U2587870) on Wednesday, 9th December 2009
Wed, 09 Dec 2009 08:59 GMT, in reply to orange pekoe in message 14
I was pondering the focus on gym-type stuff and jogging and running the other day as I walked briskly with well-maintained posture and my core muscles engaged past yet another women hunched over with tense shoulders and clenched fists and locked elbows punching the air to either side diagonally across her body as she lumbered past me barely moving faster than my easy free-moving strolling pace. Her face was set and grim and she looked like an 'extra' from a depiction of Hell by a Flemish painter...
I think the emphasis on running, jogging, cross-trainers (!) and so on is because they do burn more calories faster than walking and because people want fast results - which you can get from walking on its own, but it needs time put in. I know that in the summer when I upped it to 12-15k steps it had a big effect. 10k is a maintenance-level and doesn't seem to make a huge difference in my measurements. Take it that extra bit (10k = c.3.5-4miles; 15k = 5 or 6 miles) further and suddenly your legs lengthen and slim, your conical thighs become linear and lithe, your stomach starts to flatten itself out and your shoulders square up nicely and move back to where they ought to be and your head stops poking forward and giving you headaches!
I'm in my trainers this morning because I am just off as it's 9am for a morning walk - I've been just about 10k-ing recently but I want to lose that Half Stone For Christmas plus I am finally properly back to working so longer hours sitting at desk dictating or typing, so for my health and my spine I shall be trotting out for 30-45 minutes at the start of the working day, at lunchtime and at teatime.
It isn't rocket-science and every one of us knows it. Eat healthily and stay active and you will be generally in good health. Eat too much or stay too still and you won't be...
It's working out HOW that's difficult and different for each person!!!!
laura -
Message 17
Posted by Auntie Prue (U1481323) on Wednesday, 9th December 2009
Just popped in to repeat that regular moderate exercise will burn fat off better than occasional epic sessions in the gym.
This can be no more than 30 mins brisk walking or cycling (and it can be broken up into shorter sessions, eg three 10 minute ones) and should be done at least 5 days out of 7.
This will teach the body that there is a regular requirement of energy for the muscles used, and after a few days, overnight, there will be a shipping of fat into the muscles ready for action. This will continue every night while you asleep so long as you keep up regular exercise.
Even those who aren't mobile can do it - there are various chair exercises that can be done.
My eldest daughter bought me some wrist weights - which are more convenient than the bottles of water I used to hold (but not actually any more effective in truth).
By doing such exercise there will be a slow but regular loss of fat. The fact that fat is not easy to shift has to be faced unfortunately - so every bit helps in my book. -
Message 18
Posted by Anne-Marie (U1474870) on Wednesday, 9th December 2009
Does that mean I wouldn't need to search the racks for 'Short' lenghts anymore?!
Seriously, the power of walk(ing) (I'm hearing that in a Huey Lewis rhythm) should not be underestimated. Now that we have a foothold in Cumbria, I hope to be upping my walking again and getting back to the fitness levels i had in the summer.
Laura, as well as aiming for a certain number of steps, do you aim to keep your pulse raised at all?
AMx -
Message 19
Posted by Miftrefs Laura in Lothian bufily ftitching (U2587870) on Wednesday, 9th December 2009
Wed, 09 Dec 2009 16:54 GMT, in reply to Anne-Marie in message 18
Anne-Marie
I don't really bother about pulse rate at all (I'm a low-tech walker!). I suppose I try and keep up a reasonable pace, but what I find really caused a dramatic difference in shape was walking using the correct muscles, rather than walking faster. In the first few weeks I did do a bit of very fast walking, but I eased off because I found that my posture tended to change. Because I wanted to tie my physiotherapy for my spine in with my exercising for my blood pressure (two for the price of one), I developed the skill of pretty much walking whilst in the Pilates 'neutral position' -- spine very long, lower ribs tucked in, shoulder blades flat and arms moving, and lower abs very definitely engaged. It is probably a bit different for everyone, but that's what works for me.
I find that even a 2000 step walk (under a mile) when I do it correctly will make me feel like I've been for an hour workout in the gym -- without doing any crunches or situps, I get a really good workout of my low abs, my main abs, the transverse/diagonal muscles that make the waist, my back muscles right the way up, buttocks, backs and front thighs as well as the inner thigh And the outside of the thigh! Sorry about the capitalised 'and' -- trying to use the voice recognition software as much as possible...
I used to spend a lot of time in my teens and 20s in the gym -- using weights machines, free weights and doing aerobics classes -- so I know what a really good workout feels like in a muscle and I am steadily coming to believe something I read in my teens from some American personal trainer in a magazine: "iif everybody just held themselves properly there'd be no need for anyone to do a sit up ever again" (sorry about the strange 'if' -- I've only learnthow to correct as I go along so far -- damn, sorry about the spacing. Obviously time to go -- the software starts to get tired after a while and behave like a fractious child, so I need to turn it all off and restart it like letting a child have a short nap!)
Laura -
Message 20
Posted by HamsterMama aka nifty-fifty (U14121030) on Wednesday, 9th December 2009
Wed, 09 Dec 2009 19:19 GMT, in reply to Laura in Lothian - old log-in sans brackets in message 19
Wish I understood half of that, Laura. -
Message 21
Posted by Miftrefs Laura in Lothian bufily ftitching (U2587870) on Wednesday, 9th December 2009
Wed, 09 Dec 2009 19:41 GMT, in reply to nifty-fifty (beneath this cuddly exterior is a teeny-weeny little person trying to escape :oD ) in message 20
[translation]
I find that the years of physiotherapy have made me very aware of posture - if I walk with my posture really exactly how it should be, I find it works all the muscles that make my tummy flatter, my bum neater, my hips sleeker and my legs leaner.
It's as good, to me, as spending an hour sweating in the gym at a Bums'n'Tums HardCore WorkOut Class in pain!
Except my posture-walking is painless and sweat-free...
[/translation]
Better?
laura -
Message 22
Posted by HamsterMama aka nifty-fifty (U14121030) on Wednesday, 9th December 2009
Wed, 09 Dec 2009 20:02 GMT, in reply to Laura in Lothian - old log-in sans brackets in message 21
Thank you. I will try to think about all the various moving parts as I go along. -
Message 23
Posted by Miftrefs Laura in Lothian bufily ftitching (U2587870) on Wednesday, 9th December 2009
Wed, 09 Dec 2009 20:09 GMT, in reply to nifty-fifty (beneath this cuddly exterior is a teeny-weeny little person trying to escape :oD ) in message 22
It has taken some practice to develop, nifty - it started because I had a massive spinal problem that nearly paralysed both arms and by 2008 I was having to learn to walk, pretty much from scratch as it turned out I'd been walking/ standing/ everything-ing wrongly probably since I learnt to walk!
I still concertina when I sit down mostly. Waist gains six or eight inches just by sitting down ;-(
But standing and walking I can do now pretty well and I find it interesting to see how many more/ different muscles I use now! I don't remember ever feeling it in my groin/ lower abdomen when I walked at normal speed on a level pavement before, but I read up on some physiology and yep those muscles should be involved in walking in humans!
Yours swinging from a tree by her tail and eating a banana held in her feet
laura -
Message 24
Posted by Fire-Pig - proud to wave the protest banner (U12231213) on Wednesday, 9th December 2009
Oh Laura you have brought a smile to my face - not quite a snork but I love the image of you up the tree swinging away. I am trying to walk your way - and am wondering about the Barefoot Masai Shoes - has anyone tried these?
F-P -
Message 25
Posted by Miftrefs Laura in Lothian bufily ftitching (U2587870) on Wednesday, 9th December 2009
Wed, 09 Dec 2009 20:37 GMT, in reply to Fire-Pig in message 24
[singing, a la Jungle Book
oo-be-doo, I'm shrinkin' down a size or two
I wanna slim right down
Blood Pressure dow-ow-own
I wanna walk it down, eat it down
I wanna shrink me dow-ow-oooowwn!
I found my feet have stopped hurting since I changed everything - no thud as my foot lands, because my heel no longer makes impact. I land on the whole side of my foot, the outside from the side of the heel to the little toe-side, all at once, then as my weight goes forward, the weight spreads across til it's on the whole ball of my foot.
It sounds hopelessly complex but walking like that means my legs work different muscles from what I'm used to. For instance at first I really felt it in the back of my knee, above the joint on the inner side, until those muscles got stronger (and my legs got shapelier, bonus!); the outside of my hips and the front of my groin and lower abdomen, and with my lower ribs tucked in (instead of pouter-pigeoned out) then each step can be felt working muscles up to my breastbone, and so on and so on!
I just wonder what I was using before, if I wasn't using all these under-worked muscles! The physio says i was doing everything with only the huge muscles, quads and hamstrings, etc.
I think the Masai shoes may work really well - don't they make your foot land in the way I try to describe, or something?
laura -
Message 26
Posted by Fire-Pig - proud to wave the protest banner (U12231213) on Wednesday, 9th December 2009
Sometimes I say to myself as I am out walking "Remember Laura!" I think I might ask Santa for a pedometer to see just how many steps I achieve.
Today I have been very sedentary, tomorrow is another day!
KOKO one and all
F-P -
Message 27
Posted by anagramladysin (U13783319) on Wednesday, 9th December 2009
Yes the Masai shoes work just like that .... MBTs .... they are brilliant for making you walk right.
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Message 28
Posted by anagramladysin (U13783319) on Wednesday, 9th December 2009
And I have asked Santa (well actually Second Son ) for a pedometer too ....
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Message 29
Posted by Mabel Bagshawe (U2222589) on Thursday, 10th December 2009
As expected - 1lb up. Not bad given a post public speaking treat and the posh food event over the weekend.
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Message 30
Posted by sadie (U781345) on Thursday, 10th December 2009
Morning all, from one who has not been able to frequent these parts recently.
Loads of unpleasant stuff relating to my exOH has made me very upset and generally feeling carp, plus gorgeous DD has been poorly, twin sons both giving cause for concern as well, so no thought of what I am eating has featured for some weeks now, I am too busy trying to put one foot in front of the other on a daily basis.
Did brave the scales yesterday, first time since November 1st and amazingly have stayed the same weight so must be using up stress calories.
Hope everyone is ok, I am trying to pop into the Bull every now and then and will always lurk in here, but just wanted to say hello.
I know things will get better, indeed they have been a lot worse but it has brought up lots of bad memories with ex and it is quite hard to deal with them.
sorry for going on, just wanted to explain why I have not been around. You have all still been in my head and I am truely trying to KOKO
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Message 31
Posted by Miftrefs Laura in Lothian bufily ftitching (U2587870) on Thursday, 10th December 2009
Thu, 10 Dec 2009 10:06 GMT, in reply to sadie in message 30
sadie,
you may not have been around, but you don't look like you've been through the mill. Your font is looking /very/ good - and I haven't seen many typefaces as healthy as yours!
Seriously, I hope things look up soon. Not being religious myself, I've always been intrigued by an old saying some older Christians have told me - "God never gives you more than He knows you can bear" - which is possibly a religious version of Nietzsche's "That which does not destroy me makes me stronger"... whatever your own philosophy, what I do know is that trying to impose rules on oneself when feeling dreadful tends to backfire, but forcing yourself to spend some time preparing and eating a healthy meal, even when you feel you must just grab a quick snack, sitting down at a table, instructing one's mind to step off the treadmill of miserable anxiety and helping it do so by imposing an old favourite book (I use children's books for this...) or old movie or piece of special music... I do know that taking a "pause" like this helps in the long run.
Take care of yourself, my dear.
laura -
Message 32
Posted by Miftrefs Laura in Lothian bufily ftitching (U2587870) on Thursday, 10th December 2009
Right everyone!
I've been doing a Special Laundering this morning - it's December 10th, and those Christmas parties, lunches, nights out, and the cooking-in-advance are all starting to happen, sooo... I've done some Special Winter Starching of all our resolves.
We all need a stiffened resolve at times, but at this time of year it can make a social life and family life rather difficult if we are too rigid about rules - yet we don't want to slide!
So I had a word with Mother Christmas and she passed on this recipe I've used - it is Special Winter Starch (SWS) and it is a bit more flexible than the usual.
So come and collect your SWS-stiffened resolves, to keep you eating healthily when possible but allow you a bit of flexibility when you need it!
Here you are... and you.... that's your one, I think, yes... and there you go... yes, over here, thsi one... and yours... and that's your one... and you...
Enjoy your festivities, whatever your name for it, with your SWS resolve!
laura (with special thansk to Mother Christmas) -
Message 33
Posted by Isabel Archer (U13716168) on Thursday, 10th December 2009
Morning to all. Thanks for the flexibly yet sturdy resolve Laura. Still very stressed (won't bore you with details) so eating well is more difficult. However, I have not yet descended into the pure anarchy that has accompanied previous difficult periods so that is an advance.
Daughter is still keen to go to SW in the NY and I have decided to do the diet with her. Her friend has lost quite a lot of weight doing it. I have suggested that we both try not to binge over Christmas as it is tempting to do when there is so much food around and the sense of virtue postponed. Yet, I think that type of yo-yo eating has been a large part of my poor eating habits. I really really don't want her going down the same route. -
Message 34
Posted by Miftrefs Laura in Lothian bufily ftitching (U2587870) on Thursday, 10th December 2009
Thu, 10 Dec 2009 11:01 GMT, in reply to Isabel_Archer in message 33
Isabel,
In a non-food context, I have read that if you are starting to make a big change then it is important to set up rules you can keep - so recognise what the temptations are and make the rules appropriate.
After all, you haven't got the structure and support of the SW group yet, and you don't want you or your daughter to start the SW sessions with a sense of failure, do you?!
What about being realistic and saying, well okay, I AM allowed to eat pudding but NO second helpings - or perhaps you are allowed to eat pudding but only if you walked a mile before the meal? Or you are allowed the pre-dinner cheese straws but only three and not all taken at once. So you take one, enjoy it, take another, enjoy it, and maybe don't even get round to a third but if you do, ENJOY IT!
You can still have your "sense of virtue" and also enjoy Christmas - not mutually exclusive
What about cooking twice the usual amount of greens (sprouts doubled?! or add kale or cabbage?) and taking twice your usual amount of those and feeling more filled-up so you have a smaller pudding, or fewer potatoes?
What about getting some daft quiz or party games so that between courses you have a pause during which you can drink a glass of water and honestly ask yourself how truly hungry you actually are?
You can have chocolates in the evening but you must drink a glass of water before each one. No sitting there absent-mindedly grazing through a whole box of Quality Street (what do you mean, "voice of experience"?!?!), but put the box over the other side of the room and have a glass and jug of water. No glass of water, no chocolate - just as a way of interrupting the traditional mindless grazing!
So, kind of "conditional enjoyment of all foods" rather than a vague and difficult-to-define and therefore difficult-to-keep rule of "trying not to binge" which I think sounds really hard to be successful at and horribly easy to fail at spectacularly!
How about sittign down with yoru daughter, identifying three things each you over-do normally at Christmas and just saying that you will limit those three each to smaller portions?
For me, that would be the skin on the turkey (very high fat but I love it), the roast potatoes and the box of Quality Street. So I would write down my commitment to two slices of breastmeat with skin on and the rest skinless; only two roast potatoes and fill up on extra greens; the QS permitted but NOT to be beside me and ONLY after a glass of water.
If you just have three simple rules each, written down, it's far easier to keep them and then you start the New Year and your new SW classes with a warm glow of pride and achievement!
And she and you can police each other and turn it into a jokey fun thing done together too?
Laura -
Message 35
Posted by Isabel Archer (U13716168) on Thursday, 10th December 2009
Laura, that was precisely the type of thing I meant - that we should enjoy ourselves but not lose all sense of reality and self-regulation. I think both daughter and I know what I mean and she didn't tkae it as a vague injunction. She is an astonishingly astute person who understands the dynamics I am referring to.
Eating is difficult in our house because my o/h and my son are really skinny, one daughter is slim but has to watch it, I was slim and didn't watch it enough and my other daughter has inherited a tendency to plumpness. O/h and son just eat what they like when they like with apparently no ill effects and I have had battles in the past to establish that, as a household, there has to be a modicum of organisation around food rather than, say, constant chaotic grazing. O/h understands why and is generally on board but there is a tendency in holidays for it all to go to pot if we are not careful. -
Message 36
Posted by Auntie Prue (U1481323) on Thursday, 10th December 2009
I am trying very hard not to let Christmas feasting start too early this year.
I did have a whisky Mac last night to celebrate putting the Christmas tree up. I realise it is a bit early - but last year we were away and didn't really bother - and this year we will have all three grandchildren here over Christmastime - so doing it a bit at a time.
We are being very lazy - and I have put the Christmas tree lights on the security timer, so they come on and go off automatically.
It isn't easy when all the TV adverts have people tucking into all the things we should be avoiding - and I have found that by doing my supermarket shoppiing online, I haven't been subject to nearly as many temptations as usual.
A wander through M & S food section was a bit of a nightmare the other day - but I think there is a lot to be said to chalking up all the things we DID'NT succomb to - and giving ourselves a pat on the back.
Having said that, I had a really hungry day yesterday - and ate more than usual - but following advice from here, I had plenty of relatively healthy things not necessarily low in cals though, eg nuts.
OH has become very good at serving very small portions of three or four sorts of cheese with a couple of cherry tomatoes and a mini oatcake as an evening snack if absolutley needed - but I am trying not to let it become a habit - but at least it's better than large amounts of cheap chocolate.
Winter makes it difficult too - which reminds me - the sun is shining - a walk would be just the thing before lunch.
KOKO and happy seasonal thoughts.
Like Laura, I am not a believer - but treat the Christmas story as a pleasing and inspiring myth. -
Message 37
Posted by Fire-Pig - proud to wave the protest banner (U12231213) on Thursday, 10th December 2009
Laura, I think I love you! You write such eminent common sense!
Christmas must have just started in this house as there has just been a ding song shouting match between Younger Piglet and his Pa. I really don't like that kind of thing, but just tried to keep out of the way. I can see both points of view and sympathise with both of them, but that is not wanted.
I'll stay here by the computer until the atmosphere has calmed down!
I'll probably have my first mince pie tomorrow, as we will be going to our first Carol Service (at 7pm, don't they know that's the one broadcast of TA that's not repeated the following day?)
Soon I'll venture out to reheat the curry I froze on first cooking it.
KOKO one and all
F-P -
Message 38
Posted by Westsussexbird or Birdy aka Westie (U6316532) on Thursday, 10th December 2009
Sadie, I'm so sorry to read you are having a difficult time and hope things settle down for you soon. Take care of yourself .. you know you're wurf it ... :0))
What a lovely thread ... Laura and her sense to get the resolve starched in good time ... thankyou :0) -
Message 39
Posted by HamsterMama aka nifty-fifty (U14121030) on Thursday, 10th December 2009
Thu, 10 Dec 2009 22:33 GMT, in reply to Fire-Pig in message 37
<(at 7pm, don't they know that's the one broadcast of TA that's not repeated the following day?)>Ìý
I *still* have to remind myself that I can always catch up on line.
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When I grow up, I want to *be* Laura..... -
Message 40
Posted by Fire-Pig - proud to wave the protest banner (U12231213) on Thursday, 10th December 2009
Nifty, I have problems catching up on line since they changed from the simple Listen Again system. Reading the synopsis is just not the same!
Armed neutrality has been reigning at this house all evening, (see 37) I think I'm going to bed - either that or physical violence banging their silly heads together! I am very pleased that I have just got on with some card making and ignored them both. I even tried ice cream with hot chocolate sauce as pud to calm matters - failure!
KOKO one and all
F-P -
Message 41
Posted by myhuckleberryfriend (U9588385) on Thursday, 10th December 2009
1.5lb off, heading down towards that 0.5 stone loss before Christmas. Partly I think from twice-a-week Pilates and partly because I'm eating tons of vegetables these days. I liquidise the cooked veg, then bake with sprinklings of cheese.
Christmas meals out start this week, I like the idea of writing down some (keepable) rules beforehand but I think still I'll be needing some of your SW Starch Laura.
huckie -
Message 42
Posted by myhuckleberryfriend (U9588385) on Thursday, 10th December 2009
Sorry to hear about World war raging around you fire-Pig. Retiring to bed and completing cards sounds the wise choice to me. Would some claming music help as well?
huckie -
Message 43
Posted by LostInML (U13646691) on Friday, 11th December 2009
I too liked Laura's idea of writing down sensible rules for Christmas eating. I think my biggest downfall is likely to be chipolata sausages. Pigs in blankets even more so. I could honestly eat the whole lot of these without even noticing I'd done so.
So I will starchen/ starchify (!) my resolve re pastries, eschewing vol-au-vents, sausage rolls and other things like mini-pizzas which also slide down my gullet without full consciousness and endeavour to ration the number of small sausages I consume. Knowing you lot will ask me about this afterwards is a great incentive to be good! -
Message 44
Posted by Anne-Marie (U1474870) on Friday, 11th December 2009
Huckle, you are me and I claim etc etc - well except for the pilates. I can't claim to be doing anything much on the exercise front these days - altho I am hoping for a walk this weekend.
Yes, also a 1.5lb loss which I can't quite understand as my eating has gone to pot rather. I have been feeling on edge and run down and have found food difficult altogether.
Anyway, I have a weekend away, followed by 3 Christmas events next week, so I definitely need extra starch for my resolve! Planning is the key as far as possible. I have picked my menu for one of the meals - soup, salmon and choc torte - I know!!!! It does come with winter berries!!! When I find out where one of my eating places is I will check out the menu online and try not to be diverted by the specials.
Sorry to read of people's stresses - it's stressful enough at this time of year, without additional worries. Food, and drink, can be such a comfort - we need to find acceptable items that comfort, without piling on the calories.
Sorry I haven't had much of a presence on the thread. I had an assignment to submit (ie do!). That has just been sent, and now I have packing and travelling to tackle.
Good weekends all and KOKO!
AMx -
Message 45
Posted by Katy Tulip (U2239809) on Friday, 11th December 2009
What are pigs in blankets?
I've been digging around a bit, and there's a fairly long list of festive Do's & Don'ts re diets at the beginning of the Festive Season Cookbook of 2006, rather than re-post some pretty massive messages, here's the link:
Hth,
Katy -
Message 46
Posted by Miftrefs Laura in Lothian bufily ftitching (U2587870) on Friday, 11th December 2009
Fri, 11 Dec 2009 09:56 GMT, in reply to Katy Tulip in message 45
Golly, people! nifty, let me know if you get to be me when you grow up so I know what I'm like as a grown-up...
Thankyou...
Okay, I'm posting my Trip-Up Trio to watch out for:
1. skin on roast turkey - only two slices allowed, the rest to be just the meat
2. roast potatoes - two are plenty to enjoy properly rather than shovelling
3. chocs - AT NO POINT to be just put beside me, always where I must get up to get one, and only ever ONE to be fetched and only eaten AFTER a glass fo water has been drunk! I can eat as many as I like as long as for each oen I get up and get it and drink the whole glass of water first. I somehow think that will cut down the number surprisingly...!
laura -
Message 47
Posted by myhuckleberryfriend (U9588385) on Friday, 11th December 2009
Katy, Pigs in blankets are chipolata sausages wrapped in bacon.(perhaps you call them something else?) Deceptively calorie-high and very tasty. If they weren't so small, I wouldn't eat so many.
Anne-Marie I like the idea of checking menus first. All too often my choice of food tends to be impulsive, particularly with dessert. It seems to be a pack instinct "Well, if you're having one, I will too" and we end up with having the restaurant "special". Of course, one can always share, perhaps that could be considered in advance, too.
Glad your assignment is completed that must be a great relief. Sorry, you're feeling run-down, may I recommend some tasty and filling soup?
huckie -
Message 48
Posted by sadie (U781345) on Friday, 11th December 2009
Oh Laura you are so fab, you always say the right things thank you.
Well, spurred on by the might of ML behind me I tackled the issue of exOH full on last night. Those of you who were around when we broke up may remember some of the horridness and frankly I am still a bit scared of it all. Anyway I took the bull by the horns and phoned him up.
I was able to keep calm and to listen to what he had to say before telling him exactly how the recent events had affected me, and then I told him he was not to come to see me and I only want contact when necessary re DD.
I feel so much better, yes it is still there and still difficult but at least I have had my say for once.
I truely heart ML and all who sail in her.
Sx -
Message 49
Posted by sunlitfern (U1481854) on Saturday, 12th December 2009
Sat, 12 Dec 2009 08:56 GMT, in reply to sadie in message 48
Sadie well done on confronting your issue and I am so glad you are felling better about it. You are such a lovely person and deserve only the best.
Another in I love Laura camp here. My resolve is very flexible and it has enabled me to make my choices easily this week. I expect to gain this week as cheese has been many of those choices but I enjoyed it and I don't feel guilty as I MADE the choices.
Sunlit -
Message 50
Posted by LostInML (U13646691) on Saturday, 12th December 2009
I gained a pound this week
so clearly the wedding had its effects, despite my best efforts. To be honest, I find that depressing. If I try really hard and still gain weight, how will I cope with weeks of Christmas temptation?
Feeling moody, sad and very grumpy this morning... The work's Christmas meal is Monday night and now I feel as though there's no point going to that. I can't afford to put any more weight on and can't guarantee my resolve if I'm out in a restaurant again...
It's not just the 'being good' that I find hard. It's the whole scenario of being in a place where the sole purpose is to eat. I suppose you could say that the actual purpose is to be convivial with one's colleagues, but I find that a three-course meal is just too much to be good at. The mere fact of three courses means more food than usual, even if I ration what I eat at each course.
I feel like I imagine an alcoholic would if faced with the prospect of an evening at a bar. Yes, no one can force you to 'sin'; the choice is yours. But is it really wise to put yourself in a place of temptation when you know your resolve is virtually non-existent in the first place? I don't think I've yet learned to eat in moderation unless I actually limit what is available to eat in the first place, so a restaurant with tureens and a 'help yourself' mentality is not a good place for me to be...
What a difference a week makes...!
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