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Message 1.Â
Posted by LostInML (U13646691) on Monday, 22nd March 2010
Welcome to the MFC (Healthy Eating Club! We meet here at the Village Hall once a week to discuss matters related to healthy eating. Most of us are actively trying to lose weight, or maintain a healthy weight having lost weight in the past.
If you think you might benefit from joining us, please feel free to post! New members are always welcome!
There are few rules in the club, except that we do not mention real life weights or sizes, so that we don't upset others (a long term goal for one member may be a starting point for another.) It's not really algebra to talk about X stones, just discretion!
There is additional help on the exercise front in the cybergym
The rota thread is where we sign up to open up each week, usually on a Monday evening or on a Tuesday morning. Have a think about starting a thread- it's really not that hard!
Finally there is Katy's cookbook, for recipes and nutritional advice -
So come on in and join the fun, and whatever we do, KOKO (keep on keeping on). Don't forget: today is also a new day, so it can be a new start too! -
Message 2
Posted by Rwth of the Cornovii (U2570790) on Monday, 22nd March 2010
Mon, 22 Mar 2010 17:36 GMT, in reply to LostInML in message 1
Bookmarking. Nothing much to report. I'm not doing much, bar lurking. I'm still walking. -
Message 3
Posted by Westsussexbird or Birdy aka Westie (U6316532) on Monday, 22nd March 2010
First of all a wave to rwth ;0)
Thanks for opening up Lost and could I just draw everyones attention to your account (on the end of last week's thread) to your visit to your doc? What an encouragement to the rest of us to keep on keeping on. Also Laura's delight at your success is worth a canter through ;0)
I hope everyone has a good week. -
Message 4
Posted by Fire-Pig - proud to wave the protest banner (U12231213) on Monday, 22nd March 2010
Lost - you have excelled yourself today - not only the visit to the doctor's, (see if you haven't already seen it) but you have done a super opening all your own, complete with the relevant links. A while back you couldn't do that but now you are Laura's Wonder woman!
W will run in your shade this week and try to keep up!
KOKO one and all
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Message 5
Posted by LostInML (U13646691) on Monday, 22nd March 2010
Laura's explanation of how to do the links obviously worked!
Don't know about Wonder Woman, but it /is/ nice to have good news to report and not /just/ my usual moans! I hope the glow will not fade and that the weight loss continues in the right direction. I'm 4lbs off the next stone target, which suddenly seems attainable. I hope it doesn't take weeks to get there, but at least 'attainable' is a nice thought! -
Message 6
Posted by welshteddy (U3680635) on Monday, 22nd March 2010
Lost - you may be lost in ML, but I am Lost in Admiration. WELL DONE!!!
Teddy
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Message 7
Posted by LostInML (U13646691) on Monday, 22nd March 2010
Hey, I quite like clichés! (and am quite impressed that I managed to get the accent to work via a shortcut I didn't know I knew!)
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Message 8
Posted by Fire-Pig - proud to wave the protest banner (U12231213) on Monday, 22nd March 2010
A blushing Fire-Pig here - that link was supposed to take you to the top of the page with Lost's report of her visit to the GP NOT my congrats of her, sorry Lost, don't know what happened there!
Off to make some supper & enjoy TA!
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Message 9
Posted by Auntie Prue (U1481323) on Monday, 22nd March 2010
Lost - really pleased for you.
Next time you have a bit of a down time - we will all remind you of how you felt after your visit to the doctor : )
Shows you have been doing the right things.
Well done : ) -
Message 10
Posted by Fire-Pig - proud to wave the protest banner (U12231213) on Monday, 22nd March 2010
It's me again - I have just eaten my supper holding a knife AND fork. That is the first time since January I have been able to do that. I am alone in the house, as OH has gone to Scotland and YP is at Welsh class, I've got to tell someone!
F-P -
Message 11
Posted by Miftrefs Laura in Lothian bufily ftitching (U2587870) on Monday, 22nd March 2010
Mon, 22 Mar 2010 19:50 GMT, in reply to Fire-Pig in message 10
I have just eaten my supper holding a knife AND fork.Â
I remember the excitement well from my own armless era, f-p. Grinning some more for you
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Message 12
Posted by countrypug (U9227943) on Monday, 22nd March 2010
I've been on the old thread to congratulate Lost - but will do it again here too, and thanks for the great opening too!
I hope I've lost something tomorrow, as I have run every other day this last week, and mostly been fairly sensible with food. Tomorrow will tell!
I hope we all have a good and satisfying week ahead.
Pug x -
Message 13
Posted by Westsussexbird or Birdy aka Westie (U6316532) on Monday, 22nd March 2010
Glad for you Fire Pig ;0) You don't realise how often you use the various bits of your body until they are out of action/ stop working or hurt when you use them.
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Message 14
Posted by Rwth of the Cornovii (U2570790) on Monday, 22nd March 2010
Mon, 22 Mar 2010 23:40 GMT, in reply to westie westsussexbird in message 13
The day I had my first meal without my plaster cast (nylon I think), I sat next to a Deafblind service user at the house Christmas meal. He gripped my wrist as though he was drowning. I had to work hard not to wince, but firmly told myself that my arm was repaired. No ill effects, but it really hurt. The meal was cardboard turkey with cardboard veggies to go with them. Yum. The pudding was vile Christmas pudding crammed with peel which I hate, and custard. I don't think I took in many calories that day, but was able to walk home because it was just up the road from me. 5 minutes walk.
I fell off the cart today with a jam sandwich and after our 3.5 slices of grilled belly draft of pork, with a couple of spoonfuls of boiled basmati and cardamon (removed before serving), I came back from my meeting and had a 4 digestive biscuits with my coffee. I just had cereal for breakfast and 3 cups of black coffee unsweetened. The walk was round the park perimeter, but this side of the Golf course. About a mile. I will have to have a short one - or a very early one tomorrow, because I'm at a morning meeting at 10.00. -
Message 15
Posted by Westsussexbird or Birdy aka Westie (U6316532) on Tuesday, 23rd March 2010
From what I read of you Rwth you are doing well ... Thinking about and noticing what you eat. Make sure you enjoy it too. You may still be eating some food that your body doesn't need or particularly want, but you are aware of that and that is half the battle ;0)
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Message 16
Posted by Mabel Bagshawe (U2222589) on Tuesday, 23rd March 2010
Just bookmarking - had another run in with the table of doom in the office (minieggs and lollies) on Friday so not expecting much progress tomorrow
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Message 17
Posted by Fire-Pig - proud to wave the protest banner (U12231213) on Tuesday, 23rd March 2010
Mabel is there any way around this Table of Doom? There are two places of temptation for me in the office, one is by the photocopier, which is in the kitchenette. (Posh word, there is a fridge, a sink and an electric kettle on the kitchen side) Sometimes offerings are left on the fridge, but the colleague who did that most frequently has left, so that shouldn't be too bad. I can usually stare those down, and the biscuits obediently stay on their plate. One tactic is to have my hands full when I go in there for photocopying or to send a fax.
The other source of temptation is downstairs where the out of date cakes, crisps and chocolates are left, also left overs from some of the corporate entertaining*. This was a real bummer, until I realised that in this Victorian warren there was a way round and I need never go through that room. On my good days I can walk past but not all days are good ...
KOKO
F-P
*Most days that table is empty we don't really waste that much food, but there are occasions when Joe Public has not bought quite as much as we expected, or a line has not sold as well etc. -
Message 18
Posted by Tolkny (U710741) on Tuesday, 23rd March 2010
had another run in with the table of doom in the office (minieggs and lollies) on Friday so not expecting much progress tomorrowÂ
It reads like experience that gives hope of real progress as they stress in How it Works, Chapter five in big book of Alcoholics Anonymous (I can provide links) they explain, that the start of real recovery is real honesty, an honesty I have to maintain on a daily basis, to stay abstinent from compulsive eating.
What these threads offer is an opportunity to share our honesty with others who identify with our struggles. -
Message 19
Posted by Auntie Prue (U1481323) on Tuesday, 23rd March 2010
Fire-Pig - I sympathise - when I worked at CAB, kind clients would often bring chocolates, cake, biscuits etc as thank you presents. We had a kitchen too, with a table where we could help ourselves - and we all did - except for the slender ones now I think back!
When I retired, I said to someone, that I would find losing weight easier without all that temptation.
Absence of temptation is a reason why I now do my grocery shopping online - that and being able to read the list of contents at my leisure.
I am blessed/cursed with a good sense of smell, so once the packets were open - and my desk was just round the corner - I had no chance : )
Very glad that compulsive eating has never been a problem - with me it was just greedy piggery, as I love my food.
Still enjoy it enormously - and very grateful for all the advice on how to eat healthily, so that I haven't had to give up that pleasure in order to get thinner.
I now go for quality rather than quantity - and savour what I eat. I eat cheese most days - but get really good cheese - and have very small pieces of 3 or 4 different sorts.
The Healthy Gourmet - the way forward for me : ) -
Message 20
Posted by Mabel Bagshawe (U2222589) on Tuesday, 23rd March 2010
Problem about the table of doom is that I share an office with 9 others. Recentlyvarious people have taken to bringing in things and putting them on a small table in the middle which I have to pass to get to the printer/out of the door etc. Two packets of cookie appeared at lunchtime (avoided so far - also being pushed at me as people seem to think now I've lost the weight I can eat "normally"!).
As they are for room occupants rather than a brining in a birthday cake for everyone type thing, I can;t get them out into the kitchen
This will soon be stopping though hopefully as we are being moved around and I;ll be in a big big room with less of a "share treats in the small gang" ethos -
Message 21
Posted by LostInML (U13646691) on Tuesday, 23rd March 2010
I work somewhere where there are often 'goodies' on display and where we often are given food as presents, so I know what this is like. For me, I had a valid reason to say no to sweet stuff (being diabetic), which undoubtedly helped. I think you just have to keep reminding people that you don't need those kind of 'extras'. Sometimes, so as not to appear anti-social, I will bring in alternatives, such as fruit.
For my birthday last week, I brought in a range of savoury and sweet things, including fruit, so that there was a range of options for people to choose from. -
Message 22
Posted by Tolkny (U710741) on Tuesday, 23rd March 2010
As they are for room occupants rather than a brining in a birthday cake for everyone type thing, I can;t get them out into the kitchenÂ
I wonder if work colleagues knew a person was alcoholic or (say) a gambling addict and there was no employer's rule against a practise of leaving unfilled betting slips or alcoholic drink on such a table they would do it.
I recall attending a church meeting with two others where a massive tin of biscuits was provided, without a word I put the lid on and put them out of my reach, they were not there for the next meeting. I have to take action to be safe. This week I have heard of the death's of two addicts one definitely, untimely and addict related (an under eater who got TB and did not have the constuitution to recover).
That is how serious I take my compulsion to overeat. -
Message 23
Posted by Tolkny (U710741) on Tuesday, 23rd March 2010
I had a valid reason to say no to sweet stuff I don't care whether others think my reason is valid or not.
My reason, which I will tell if needed is that eating something not on my meal plan is dangerous, because I might not be able to stop. Or succinctly, I am allergic to that now,
allergy = unusual reaction, which in my case is that once I start eating something off my food plan there is a strong possibility I won't be able to stop eating, because that is what actually used to happen, I have eaten until I was sick and then having regained composure eaten some more until I was almost sick again. -
Message 24
Posted by LostInML (U13646691) on Tuesday, 23rd March 2010
I agree that you shouldn't need to feel that you have a valid reason to say no. Saying no is a choice, just as saying yes is. People should learn to accept other people's choices.
But the fact that other people /aren't/ addicted to food means that in some respects I have to face temptation. How I handle that is my problem, not theirs, though consideration for others is definitely to be encouraged! -
Message 25
Posted by Miftrefs Laura in Lothian bufily ftitching (U2587870) on Tuesday, 23rd March 2010
Tue, 23 Mar 2010 17:07 GMT, in reply to LostInML in message 24
I no longer have a daily workplace, but I /think/ I would try the friendly-voice matter-of-fact "no, thanks".
Why should anyone have to explain anything?! Nosy blighters some of you work with! If they keep shoving offers at you, just keep repeating as above, I think.
I'm trying at present just to focus on my not-too-healthy eating being not quite so unhealthy as it was for ages and ages.
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Message 26
Posted by Fire-Pig - proud to wave the protest banner (U12231213) on Tuesday, 23rd March 2010
I no longer have a daily workplace, but I /think/ I would try the friendly-voice matter-of-fact "no, thanks".Â
I do this Laura, or perhaps as a variant, "not just now", or some other variant. That works well with me. My temptation has been the ones lying around waiting to catch me unawares! (last week it was an out of date flapjack when I was working my poor hand too much.)
This week I have two lunches out. Tomorrow it is one I have organised in Chester, where there is usually a good choice. It is a set lunch three courses with tea or coffee for £12. The other years we have been there it has been fairly easy to make good choices. After a three course lunch, I will have very little later in the day. In he past, I have been known to buy some chocolate to eat on the train back from Chester and then cook a proper meal when I got back. Now I won't do that, I'll tell YP that he is responsible for getting himself supper both days.
On Thursday I am going to a Diamond Wedding lunch, so don't expect much choice. I will enjoy it and celebrate with my friends. Friends are important in our lives, and it would be wrong for me to quibble about the food on offer.
KOKO one and all
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Message 27
Posted by Sister Primrose of the Red Tinsel Flag (U5405579) on Tuesday, 23rd March 2010
Evening All,
Right, where are we...
Ah yes, the Masterclass in Thinking
Birthday cake - check
Indian takeaway - check
Chocolates (not dog) - check
Borders lemon shortbread - check
A bottle of fizz - check
Gin and bitter lemon - check
plus some normal meals round the edges
Weight? Up two pounds
Tummy? Bloated and uncomfortable
If a) leads to b) what conclusion do I need to draw?
Answers on a postcard to
Primrose Path
Department of the Bluddy Obvious
University of Life
A Diploma with Honours to anyone who can persuade me that my dislike of b) should lead me to avoid a)
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Message 28
Posted by Miftrefs Laura in Lothian bufily ftitching (U2587870) on Tuesday, 23rd March 2010
Tue, 23 Mar 2010 19:51 GMT, in reply to Primrose Path in message 27
You've not taken into account c) the Essential Paradox of Metabolism, which propounds that there is sometimes just damn-all relationship between energy intake and size alteration over a set period, nor d) the Energy Output factor which in your case was severely disrupted by your Hurty Ankle.
B Minus. Could Do Better. -
Message 29
Posted by Miftrefs Laura in Lothian bufily ftitching (U2587870) on Tuesday, 23rd March 2010
Tue, 23 Mar 2010 19:54 GMT, in reply to Laura in Lothian in message 28
Oh1 Oh I meant B Minus Could Do Better on the funny thinking, not on the effort in healthiness!
the /logic/ gets a B Minus, not the Primroseness herself
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Message 30
Posted by welshteddy (U3680635) on Tuesday, 23rd March 2010
Primrose, I think you are me!!! I had a biscuit and chocolate binge not so long ago and woke the next morning with what I can only describe as a hangover. I also felt groggy and had an upset tummy. I knew this would happen but it still didn't stop me.
Sigh. -
Message 31
Posted by Tolkny (U710741) on Tuesday, 23rd March 2010
You maybe interested in tonight's Am I Normal prog about Eating.
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Message 32
Posted by GuzziNut (U6364582) on Tuesday, 23rd March 2010
the "no thanks" routine to sweet stuff offers at work works after a while, folk stop offering it to you. They do then however, start to think you are "very good" which is not really ideal...
I only know this because its what I tend to do anyway, NOT because I'm horribly virtuous, I just dont really have a sweet tooth and folk arent prone to offering me lumps of decent cheese or posh crisps at work. -
Message 33
Posted by countrypug (U9227943) on Tuesday, 23rd March 2010
Good post Primrose - I think I am a graduate of the same University to be honest. I've felt uncomfortable for the last few weeks, as I haven't been in my usual mode of eating. Having said that, I am still a lot lighter than I was 2 and a half years ago (amazing I could live comfortably when that heavy really).
This week I have lost 0.5kg. Not brilliant, but better than a gain, and it is a bad week for fluid retention, so may be better next week (although upcoming weekend off including dinner at a friends house may not help).
I did have a bit of a ginger biscuit incident in the office this morning - due to a delayed lunch thanks to a computer going up in smoke (literally - quite scary actually).
The rest of the day has been ok, good walk this afternoon, and tomorrow a run.
Guzzi, I too don't really have a sweet tooth, but sometimes I am tempted even then!
Pug x -
Message 34
Posted by archingmad (U8292055) on Wednesday, 24th March 2010
Weighed in at a lb under the stone zone - another one of those inexplicable results bearing in mind that I've succumbed to large amounts and varieties of chocolate the last few days. I know that dragging up high stress levels is just an excuse and won't get me out of detention. (Hey, why don't we hear from Village School Ma'am these days - has she slimmed down to target and taken off?)
I also woke with the greeuuggh reaction, as I relived my late night binge. I know that it is within my power to wake up with the flat- stomach, spring in my step feeling, so why don't I just do myself a favour and ... why am I asking you this? If we had the answer we wouldn't need to be here.
I listened to the "Am I Normal" programme tonight. Worth iplaying it if you get the chance. Statistics are terrifying. -
Message 35
Posted by Tolkny (U710741) on Wednesday, 24th March 2010
I've succumbed to large amounts and varieties of chocolate the last few days.Â
If one gets an urge to eat something that might lead to problems and concern afterwards, it might be worth considering reading latest posts here first and replying with a comment about one's feelings. If the urge still remained it would still be possible to subdue it with food AFTER the MFC visit.
In my case, I have the chance of finding an OA meeting and after I had been to enough I knew that there was recovery there and I began to do the things the others did and eventually I found I was one maintaining an eleven stone weight loss. The urge to eat what was killing me did not disappear overnight or altogether but the longer the abstinence continued a day at a time, the less frequent would I get such urges.
Thanks to archingmad for posting that experience which prompted this posting and helps my abstinence TODAY as I face a particularly stressful situation. -
Message 36
Posted by LostInML (U13646691) on Wednesday, 24th March 2010
Back from swimming... off to gym later. One has to make the most of a day off (though I am going in to work later on to help with a fund-raising cake stall!)
(Perhaps I shouldn't mention that on here...) -
Message 37
Posted by eriskay (U2846175) on Wednesday, 24th March 2010
Somebody noticed I was looking slimmer today. Somebody noticed! So encouraging. Maybe if somebody told me when I was looking fatter that would be good too, but nobody ever does... only me, and I usually do not say it loudle enough.
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Message 38
Posted by Mabel Bagshawe (U2222589) on Wednesday, 24th March 2010
Wed, 24 Mar 2010 21:47 GMT, in reply to eriskay in message 37
Half a pound off somehow! -
Message 39
Posted by Fire-Pig - proud to wave the protest banner (U12231213) on Wednesday, 24th March 2010
If one gets an urge to eat something that might lead to problems and concern afterwards, it might be worth considering reading latest posts here first and replying with a comment about one's feelings. If the urge still remained it would still be possible to subdue it with food AFTER the MFC visit.Â
This sounds a great idea Tolkny. Some of us also imagine the Magic Eye of MFC watching us - may sound silly but ....
arching and Mabel it really does show that the numbers on the scales aren't everything, you have both said you felt you had eaten things you shouldn't have done but lost weight. The scales aren't always our friends are they?
I had a good trip to Chester, and made some good choices for my meal - melon and kiwi starter, lemon sole with mussels in a white wine sauce, and a lemon tart. I suppose the pud let me down but .... I enjoyed it and enjoyed the company.
Tomorrow is another day, may we all make good choices
F-P -
Message 40
Posted by eriskay (U2846175) on Wednesday, 24th March 2010
Nice sentiment, Fire-Pig - may we all make good choices.
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Message 41
Posted by LostInML (U13646691) on Thursday, 25th March 2010
I think this is one thing I'm slowly learning. Each day has its choices to make. Each day is a new day - so yesterday's bad choices can be released and good choices embraced. Similarly, the good choices made yesterday can be built upon, but we still need to make good choices today. We can't rest on our laurels and don't need to beat ourselves up for our failings, because today is a new day.
May the eye of Mustardland be with us to make good choices today! -
Message 42
Posted by Fire-Pig - proud to wave the protest banner (U12231213) on Thursday, 25th March 2010
I'm in emotional turmoil yet again over Elder Piglet, OH is in Scotland with him at the moment. OH has just rung from an A&E there, EP has very severe kidney pains. EP has lost 5kgs weight since Christmas, and he is a string bean anyway, was that stress or kidney problems?
(For new readers EP is going through the throes of separation - can't live with her, can't live without the children + lots of other complications, it is anything but amicable but no physical violence)
I have to get my thoughts sorted and in order as I am reading in the service to celebrate a Diamond Wedding today. It is a particularly tricky part from Letter to the Hebrews so I have to be able to see straight.
Somewhere in all this I have to fit in eating sensibly and thoughtfully and not munching.
KOKO one and all. May we all make good choices today.
F-P -
Message 43
Posted by Tolkny (U710741) on Thursday, 25th March 2010
I suppose it helps to remember that others struggles are different from ours.
I am glad I don't have fire pigs and wouldnt wish mine on others.
Typed with wife in car ready to take mother in law with dementia for an outing. -
Message 44
Posted by eriskay (U2846175) on Thursday, 25th March 2010
In reply to Fire-Pig
Thinking of you and your family. Keep up your energy levels and do not worry about what you eat today. Tomorrow is another day and I hope it will be better for you all. -
Message 45
Posted by countrypug (U9227943) on Thursday, 25th March 2010
Well said Eriskay.
Tolkny, I hope you have had an enjoyable day out with MiL and your wife and that it did not cause you any stress.
Pug x -
Message 46
Posted by welshteddy (U3680635) on Thursday, 25th March 2010
I have a sudden craving for fresh white bread and crunchy peanut butter. Aarrgghh. Where has that come from?
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Message 47
Posted by eriskay (U2846175) on Thursday, 25th March 2010
From fatland. Send it back and have crispbread and an apple instead. I have just been to the dentist so cannot eat anything for a while. This is good for me? Yes.
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Message 48
Posted by Auntie Prue (U1481323) on Thursday, 25th March 2010
peanut butter on an oatcake is very delicious - and if not spread too thickly - it makes a reasonable snack.
The thing about oatcakes is not just the low GL - but that you have a smallish defined area to put your peanut butter onto : ) -
Message 49
Posted by welshteddy (U3680635) on Thursday, 25th March 2010
Do you know I have never thought of putting peanut butter on an oatcake. Sounds delish, and as you point out, you are limited in how much you can have as the only way to pile it on is up.
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Message 50
Posted by Fire-Pig - proud to wave the protest banner (U12231213) on Thursday, 25th March 2010
Back home again after a very pleasant service and lunch. It was a salad buffet, then various delicious puds (I had too sweet lemon meringue) celebration rich fruit cake and coffee. I hadn't seen Eriskay's advice, but I went with the flow and enjoyed myself.
I was told I had read well and had found the meaning - well I had worked on that so I am glad it came across.
Before I went out I managed to speak to both OH and EP. Apparently it is kidney stone(s). He has gone home now, and I have persuaded OH to stay another night.
I am feeling fairly shattered and drinking tea but no munchies so far!
F-P
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