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Message 1.Â
Posted by Fire-Pig - proud to wave the protest banner (U12231213) on Monday, 29th March 2010
Welcome to the Healthy Eating thread for this week. This is a week that brings a lot of chocolate for many of us, also Hot Cross Buns for some. We are a group of ML friends who aim to improve our health by thinking about what we eat and enjoying what we eat. Most of us want to lose some weight as well, but some have already achieved as much weight loss as they wanted, so are keen not to regain their lost weight.
We have one inflexible rule and that is that we NEVER divulge our actual weight or measurement at any stage. One person's starting point can be another's goal. We can, and do, boast over actual losses, and moan over actual gains. There is usually someone along to hold out a hand of encouragement.
We try to respect that we are all individuals and what works for one person may not work for another. In general we believe in a varied and interesting diet and many believe in the 80:20 rule - tif you succeed 80% of the time you will be doing very well. Most of us believe very strongly that there is life out there to be enjoyed - so we rejoice together as someone can wear a new smart outfit to a wedding an enjoy hearing what they ate there!
All are welcome - what have you got to lose but your flab?
We are not alone as we have three sister threads our Rota Thread where we sign up to open the door of the Village Hall each Monday evening/Tuesday morning
Then there is Katy's Recipe book full of good ideas
The third one is the cyber gym - yes I know I should go there more! All I can do is direct you there!
Come and join us! The one thing I have really learnt is that if I have slipped and eaten something I shouldn't, all is not lost. Tomorrow is another day and may we all make good choices on what we eat this week.
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Message 2
Posted by Miftrefs Laura in Lothian bufily ftitching (U2587870) on Monday, 29th March 2010
Mon, 29 Mar 2010 20:50 GMT, in reply to Fire-Pig in message 1
Signing-up despite being on a wobble just now as an enormous deadline looms four weeks away so my willpower has to go to that for now - reading here to help me keep the damage to a minimum!
Keep On Keeping On, everyone!
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Message 3
Posted by Sister Primrose of the Red Tinsel Flag (U5405579) on Monday, 29th March 2010
Hi to Fire-Pig and thanks for opening up. Laura, you are making fabulous progress, you will be fine...
I'm not looking forward to the scales tomorrow as I have made some very bad choices this week. The worst bit about that is that I haven't even really enjoyed what I was eating. Blimey, what a fool I am sometimes.
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Message 4
Posted by archingmad (U8292055) on Monday, 29th March 2010
First festival meal completed tonight and it is not an occasion to watch what I eat.
I did put a plate of (very sugary home-made) biscuits on the table at the end of the meal, but didn't succumb. Mind you, after a meal that size, I don't think anyone could. -
Message 5
Posted by LostInML (U13646691) on Tuesday, 30th March 2010
Thanks for opening up, Fire-Pig. Who's signed up for next week's thread?!
Succumbed to a slice of bread last night... busy working with my son through next year's financial maze; any dealings with Student Finance leave me slightly desperate and prone to eat. It could have been much worse! -
Message 6
Posted by Katy Tulip (U2239809) on Tuesday, 30th March 2010
Tue, 30 Mar 2010 06:48 GMT, in reply to Fire-Pig in message 1
Hi everyone, and thanks for opening up, Fire-Pig!
Sorry I haven't been around lately, been somewhat lurgified tho' slowly on the mend again.
Say, can peeps here nip into the tail-end of the Cookbook thread ( post 71), I'd appreciate your thoughts on how to proceed with the Cookbook thread (I've thought for some time now that it's come to the end of it's natural, after 7 years).
Ta muchly, and koko,
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Message 7
Posted by welshteddy (U3680635) on Tuesday, 30th March 2010
Morning all. Just bookmarking.
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Message 8
Posted by Auntie Prue (U1481323) on Tuesday, 30th March 2010
A lovely opening, Fire-Pig - many thanks.
Still maintaining around the stone mark - but happy with that. A couple fewer pounds would be good - but not fretting about it.
Glad to see Katy back - and my hope is that we can keep this thread upbeat and positive - because I think that is what helps most people most of the time. -
Message 9
Posted by Miftrefs Laura in Lothian bufily ftitching (U2587870) on Tuesday, 30th March 2010
Tue, 30 Mar 2010 11:30 GMT, in reply to Auntie Prue in message 8
Up-beat and positive is certainly what helps me, Auntie Prue!
Thanks, Primrose... I tried yesterday to make healthier choices even if it's not as healthy as I'd like - so it was clementines instead of chocolate. I've been not feeling hungry much of the day just now but I've got a huge bunch of crisp crunchy watercress and I'm going to make a big bowl of green salad, mainly watercress, with homemade French dressing, a drop or three of Tamari to add spice, and then crumble some grilled bacon over the top, and a bit of cheese, for protein.
And try for clementines again tonight, too.
Tomorrow I'm off else-town to run a workshop, leaving at 7am, so I'm going to get some things today to take with me on the 2.5-hr train journey. Lunch is provided so I'll jsut have to hope something is healthiER if not healthy. Then I'll be on a train over normal suppertime, so... teaching materials to take too so don't think I can fit a packed supper in as well, but just have to try to resist industrial quantities of junk from the at-seat trolley service!
Even if it's only here and there just at present, I am the person who CAN make a difference to my own health!
laura -
Message 10
Posted by Auntie Prue (U1481323) on Tuesday, 30th March 2010
Kaleidoscope have a 75% sale on some of their stock - made sure I ordered a couple of bargains before telling you lot though! : )
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Message 11
Posted by Fire-Pig - proud to wave the protest banner (U12231213) on Tuesday, 30th March 2010
Get thee behind me Cheese Demon!
I have just worked 5 consecutive days for the first time for ages, but am feeling whacked. At work this afternoon I kept doing silly things like taking the wrong papers to another office. I did resist going to the cafe to succumb to temptation but did have a small (Honest!) piece of Brie when I got home. I almost had another but saw that Demon chuckling and told him to get lost as he wasn't needed! (Thanks Eye!)
Tomorrow is my day off, I must remember to turn off my alarm!
One of my young colleagues has lost a lot of weight in the last year and has completely transformed herself. She has completely revamped her wardrobe and now wears pencil skirts, tight jerseys and high heels. She is looking really good. I am not sure whether she has actually lost more than me but she has clearly changed image far more. I am not young and single and can't afford to completely revamp my wardrobe for everyday. What about you, has anyone her revamped completely?
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Message 12
Posted by orange pekoe (U9563764) on Tuesday, 30th March 2010
F-P, I haven't exactly revamped my image consciously, but have really enjoyed finding things that fit and flatter that I wouldn't have considered before.
I have relied heavily on our fabulous local charity shops - are there any near you? Finding one or two new pieces in your new size and shape will be such a boost.
I've been eating too many extras again. Meals fine, but a combination of boys off school for Easter, lots of visitors over the weekend, and now my mum up recuperating from an op has led to more tempting food lying around, and more grazing. And less walking.
I've definitely been overdoing the 20 bit of 80/20! Will just put it behind me and try to get back to normal again from tomorrow. -
Message 13
Posted by flutter-by (U2729197) on Tuesday, 30th March 2010
Well..... back on the internet after a little break, with a shiny new laptop!!!
Anyway, I'm climbing back onto the wagon again, I've had 2 days of being good, and I'm going to have more. There's chickpea and spinach curry and rice cooking, and have snacked sensibly at work. Taking no money in with me helps, becuase then I don't get tempted by nipping out for some chocolate. Will try that again (though it was an accident today)
Scales can wait till next week though.
Koko,
F-b
ps - lovely to see you Laura and am having first dress fitting tonight, tres excitement! -
Message 14
Posted by Miftrefs Laura in Lothian bufily ftitching (U2587870) on Tuesday, 30th March 2010
Tue, 30 Mar 2010 17:56 GMT, in reply to Fire-Pig in message 11
f-p,
when I spent 3 monhts in the Languedoc, I could only take 15 kgs of luggage, so I had to buy new clothes there and couldn't afford to waste money so for th efirst time I really studied what others wore, what appealed to me, what I wanted to look like - as I co-incidentally lost so much weight by eating everything in sight (don't ask me how...) I ended up returning rather more chic than I left! My Seven Soxy Techies told me I arrived middle-aged and left as a chic young woman
What I did NOT do was choose items I saw others wearing. I looked at what their overall appearance said - there's a woman with a great laid-back approach, there's someone really smart and organised, there's someone really fun to be around, there's someone thoughtful and interesting, there's someone reassuring and conforting - and then I worked out what it was about their appearance that said those things to me. I included hairstyles and accessories in my people-watching, and eventually I concluded I had several "looks" none of which were dramatically different but just put together better.
iirc, there was Blue - jeans, cotton 3/4-sleeve scoop-neck top, colourful baseball boots, casual jacket, hair in a ponytail, a fun, laughing, enthusiastic outdoorsy sunny person
There was Old Rose - skirts full, but knee-length and NEVER gathered like my old frumpy ones, but gored so they were full without being bulky; soft muted colours of moss-green, faded khaki, old-rose and ivory, hair put up with softness, a gentle, romantic, feminine woman.
And there were two more but I have to go out now and can't remember.
THANKYOU for reminding me of them - with gainign all the weight back and some more, I've only recently beena ble to wear some of my French clothes, so I ought to sit down after Thesis and go through everything I have, French adn British clothing and make sur eI don't still have anything belonging to UK Frump Plc, which I fear I do...!!!
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Message 15
Posted by Sister Primrose of the Red Tinsel Flag (U5405579) on Tuesday, 30th March 2010
Evening All...
The scales surprised me with a one pound two ounce loss this morning, which was a nice start to the day. I know it's not Wednesday but I'm going to do a food diary now
Late breakfast/early lunch three ryvita with low fat cottage cheese and a sprinkling of Maggi Wurtz, which is a savoury sauce similar to soy sauce or worcestershire sauce. In to the hospital for a shift and to check up the details of the new 8 week contract. Boss lady has very kindly arranged my shifts so I can do her clinics and a clinic that I have a once a week regular booking for and thought I was going to have to miss for a few weeks. That was such a kind thing to do and made my day.
One of my colleagues at the once a week clinic was retiring today so there was a half glass of champagne and a small piece of apple cake before dashing off to see one of my ex colleagues who moved away two years ago and was back in the big town to catch up with a crowd of us. Had a panino there, brie and tomato, and a glass of tomato juice let down with soda water. Chose not to have a pud as I felt full (stands back in amazement)
Back home and having a cup of tea.
I am so proud of myself - managing two social events in three hours and not a silly choice between them.
archi, enjoy your festival, I'm sure the family stuff will nourish your soul.
KOKO everyone,
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Message 16
Posted by Miftrefs Laura in Lothian bufily ftitching (U2587870) on Tuesday, 30th March 2010
Tue, 30 Mar 2010 20:04 GMT, in reply to Primrose Path in message 15
Oh WELL DONE, Primrose!
Huge pat on the back and massive smile1 there you were beating yourself up glumly, and now you sail through beaming!
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Message 17
Posted by Fire-Pig - proud to wave the protest banner (U12231213) on Tuesday, 30th March 2010
Yes well done PP, you must have had a beam on your face when you saw the scales. So glad that you made good choices today - it doesn't matter about yesterday's choices they are over and done with, you can't change them!
op - our High Street is littered with charity stores. I could look there for clothes but I am so averse to buying clothes when I have more than enough at home! Perhaps I should do a Laura and see how I can put the things I have together better. I know when I have dressed up and looked good it is lovely to receive compliments.
Tonight I made one of my standby dishes. Tuna, bacon and mushrooms in a tomato, onion and basil sauce with pasta. I have no idea now whether I saw the idea somewhere or whether it came to me out of the blue!
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Message 18
Posted by Fire-Pig - proud to wave the protest banner (U12231213) on Tuesday, 30th March 2010
Sorry f-b I meant to say how good to see you here again - complete with that shiny laptop.
We all have to learn our coping strategies - how feasible is it going to work without money everyday? I don't often NEED money during the day but I would be loath to be without it!
How's Owen? Are you both coping OK with your working?
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Message 19
Posted by countrypug (U9227943) on Tuesday, 30th March 2010
Evening all. I wondered why there were no new posts on MFC tonight, then realised it was Tuesday and a new week. Bit slow, me.
It has not been a good weekend. Well, actually it has, but not food wise. Very sociable - out for dinner with friends Saturday, and a taxi home, so lots of wine and lovely food. Sunday night dinner with in laws, so a traditional roast dinner.
I'm trying to get back on the straight and narrow, and had a good hour long walk this afternoon with the dogs, and have eaten reasonably sensibly today.
I'm really grateful to see all this PMA here tonight, and well done PP and Flutterby on your sensible choices, and Laura on keeping going on that thesis.
I'm off to have a Muller light yoghurt now, so KOKO all.
Pug x -
Message 20
Posted by Fire-Pig - proud to wave the protest banner (U12231213) on Tuesday, 30th March 2010
Sorry Pug I'm a bit thick tonight and can't work out your acronym PMA.
Glad you enjoyed your weekend - you will have memories for days when you are eating more sensibly!
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Message 21
Posted by countrypug (U9227943) on Tuesday, 30th March 2010
Positive mental attitude, F-P!
I forgot to say thanks for opening too.
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Message 22
Posted by Auntie Prue (U1481323) on Tuesday, 30th March 2010
Just wanted to stick up for the cheese demons.
I weighed the small plateful of nibbles of about 5 different cheeses that I like to have as a snack from time to time. It came to 25g.
Most of the cheese was goat's cheese, Brie, Jarlsberg, with only a little Stilton and cheddar. By my reckoning (using the Collins gem book on GL) that comes to around 100 kcals altogether.
So fewer cals than a small glass of wine, and about the same as two oatcakes - just to put it into perspective.
I don't want to rock anyone's boat, but in that we have discussed the inadvisability of there being forbidden foods, I just wanted to point out that you can still have cheese and lose weight successfully. -
Message 23
Posted by Fire-Pig - proud to wave the protest banner (U12231213) on Tuesday, 30th March 2010
Thanks Pug - why didn't I think of that?
Auntie Prue my trouble with cheese that I usually cannot stop after just a nibble. I have been known to shave off a slice, then another, then another. Today I was restrained and that was good. Tomorrow when I am at home at lunchtime we will have home made soup followed by bread/ryvita/oatcake and cheese and fresh fruit.
I'm off to bed now, may we all make good choices tomorrow!
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Message 24
Posted by LostInML (U13646691) on Wednesday, 31st March 2010
I have the same problem with cheese. I find it so hard to have just a little... it's like once my taste buds remember how sublime it is, they want more and more. I do manage if I have it as part of a meal (where I have a fixed amont - eg in mushrooms stuffed with goats' cheese which is one of my planned Easter treats) but the problem I have is wanting to snack on it between meals. If I can cut that out (which I have been doing), I do a lot better overall.
So once more I resisted buying a block of mozzarella yesterday, since a) I knew I could eat the whole block in one evening and b) if I need it for a dish, it is wiser to buy it immediately beforehand, so I'm not tempted to nibble it all away before. Normally, I like to bulk buy a lot of things, but I have yet to prove my reliability with certain items and so I am tending to only buy cheese when I know I need to, in order to avoid temptation... -
Message 25
Posted by Tolkny (U710741) on Wednesday, 31st March 2010
Evening all. I wondered why there were no new posts on MFC tonight, then realised it was Tuesday and a new week.Â
I'm really grateful to see all this PMA hereÂ
PMA?? = Pre Menopausal Action? or Primary Masochistic axeman = or, I give up, , Ah POSITIVE MENTAL ATTITUDE - That is good and helps and fits in with the slogan "Act as if"
As if what... there is a loving God/ it might work/I am an OK person?etc.,/etc..
I heard something like bring your body to the meeting and your head and heart will follow!
This will not "make" anyone angry, though some maybe prompted/choose to feel that way!
It is good to have a new start every week/day/minute because we do not have to repeat the past but.. it means only those who are actively seeking here anew each week, will keep up, maybe those who are struggling will be more likely to drop off and even stop lurking, perhaps a final post from the opener up on the last week's with loads of PMA may help the stragglers to keep on coming.... -
Message 26
Posted by LostInML (U13646691) on Wednesday, 31st March 2010
When I've opened a thread, I've posted the link to the new thread on the old one to help people find their way to the new one. We wouldn't want anyone to 'drop out' accidentally, though if they feel they don't need our zany input anymore, that would be fine!
Back from the pool... about to start a mountain of paperwork. So far, the week is chugging along without too many mishaps. I even shopped wisely yesterday, eschewing all the things I wanted to buy (see the mozzarella post above!) but couldn't guarantee eating wisely.
The acid test will be Good Friday when we are out and about in York where temptation will abound! I am, though, even getting better about /thinking/ about what I will choose when I am out, instead of viewing a day out as an /inevitable/ slide into decadent extravagance. My thought processes really must be changing!! -
Message 27
Posted by Fire-Pig - proud to wave the protest banner (U12231213) on Wednesday, 31st March 2010
Lost - you're doing great you are thinking and planning ahead.
Tolkny, we always try to leave a last message on the old thread to say there is a new one, and a hyper link to it.
Snow here today, good job OH went to the Highlands last week, he wouldn't have been able to get there this week.
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Message 28
Posted by Tolkny (U710741) on Wednesday, 31st March 2010
My thought processes really must be changing!!Â
It reads as if LostInML is following this maxim."We then find that, to deal with our inner turmoil, we have to have a new way of thinking, of acting on life rather than reacting to it — in essence, a new
way of living."
Extract from "Our Invitation to You" Often used in Overeaters Anonymous Meetings.
That can be an important step of recovery. -
Message 29
Posted by LostInML (U13646691) on Wednesday, 31st March 2010
Oh, yes, that is definitely what has happened/ is happening to me. This is, indeed, a new way of living. It's not a diet; it's not a fad. It's a whole new way of living, into which how/what we eat is incoporated.
You can't just treat the symptoms; you have to get to the root causes!! -
Message 30
Posted by PinaGrigio (U11141735) on Wednesday, 31st March 2010
hello all, nipping in after a few days without Interweb (how did we manage before it, eh?) to report a pound off.
Cake went down well on Sat and we took it over to big family gathering on Sun so we weren't left with it and didn't have to have that eat it all/chuck it out dilemma.
Had a *fab* morning yesterday as I went for an appointment with a Johnny Loulous fashion adviser (belated birthday treat) and truly feel like I've been Gok Wanned. Best of all she gave me some clothes in a lower size from where I would normally buy, including....drumroll....a smaller pair of jeans! It was a lovely experience, actually, as she gave me some tips on colours and putting things together so FP, if you have a shop near you which has such a service, would highly recommend it. The advisors come free and you can buy as much or as little as you want. And they will fit in with what you can do - she brought me a top which was too expensive for my liking and when I said 'well I like it but not £x's worth of like it' it was whisked away and another one brought back in its place.
I confess to blowing a lot more than I would normally spend on a fab pair of jeans called 'Not Your Daughter's Jeans' which fit properly round the waist rather than sitting on the hips. I adore these jeans now as they are sooo comfy and are somewhat, erm, forgiving, shall we say.
Anyway, back to the food. Like others, I feel I shall always be popping in here to keep on the straight & narrow (!) as I only have to drift a bit towards rubbish choices and the weight starts to go back up. So as long as the 80:20 rule is kicking in, I'll be fine...just need to make sure it doesn't become 20:80 -
Message 31
Posted by Fire-Pig - proud to wave the protest banner (U12231213) on Wednesday, 31st March 2010
PG great to hear about your day out. I goofled for the Not your daughter's jeans - as you say a bit more pricey than my usual ones!
I lost a lot of weight in 1988 and was given a Colour Me Beautiful Consultation as a birthday present. We were coming to the end of a long London posting and were heading back to Borneo. I did get myself a whole new wardrobe then, in *my* colours. Boy it did feel good! It gave me a lot of confidence, and as OH had been promoted we had a lot of social functions to attend there. I knew I looked good and felt good too. Sadly as there was no Internet and thus no MFC the weight crept back on over the years.
Has anyone encountered Westie on another thread? We haven't heard from her for a while, I hope they are OK in their camper van. I wonder whether they are still in Sicily or have started the journey north yet.
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Message 32
Posted by Westsussexbird or Birdy aka Westie (U6316532) on Wednesday, 31st March 2010
Ooh! Thanks for missing me ;0) Also lovely to see Flutters.
We got back home this evening and it is wonderful to be home with running hot rater etc etc. I was sending pics to Facebool and suddenly realised they weren't going and I had lost the internet on my phone. Fortunately it returned when we got into British water so I can log in again. Did I mention we had the van broken into and both our laptops got nicked, so I am still using my Blackberry which doesn't make for very easy scrolling back and forth, so excuse me for not mentionong everyone. I've done ok during our six week trip but won't get on the scales til the end of next month.
Must go and see Katy's thread. It has always been quiet since I've known it but I get good ideas from it and help when I ask. -
Message 33
Posted by archingmad (U8292055) on Wednesday, 31st March 2010
Welcome home, Westie. (Literally and figuratively*)
*No pun intended.
Hope it won't be too long before you are tooled up again - talking about laptops, of course. Sorry about the weather - not much of a welcome home, but I'm sure there are some daffs brave enough to give you a nod.
I'm only here for a little bit, as I'm heading out east to DD's next week. I'm not sure I'll fit into my shorts as we're in the middle of a calorific festival here with much unsuitable feasting - although I must say, I don't think I've done my usual amount of manic scoffing as previous years, so far. Must be the Eye of Mustard. -
Message 34
Posted by Westsussexbird or Birdy aka Westie (U6316532) on Thursday, 1st April 2010
Thanks for the welcome home Archi ;0) The garden is looking lovely in bright Spring sunshine with new leaves appearing which although it sounds daft, comes as a lovely surprise to me each year. Daffs where the daffs should be! Yay! Spring hadn't got as advanced as we had hoped in Sicily and Switzerland but there were some flowers in the lower hills. I love the way the cowslips etc keep their heads low in the grass as they know if the wind blows it will still be bitterly cold. We didn't see much blossom .. just a small amount of almond. It was never really warm enuff to sit out though of course that didn't stop us! Switzerland was having its usual dressing of muck! Not a blade of grass escapes at this time of year and one year when we had parked up with a stunning view in the French Alps we got well and truly muck spreaded ourselves! Fortunately the side of the van facing the field above us (where the spreading was happening) didn't have any windows open and we were sat with the side door open facing down the valley so no lasting damage! We were able to find a spring and get most of it off before it dried! I'll never forget the sound of it splatting all against the van! We have a hightop roof so you can imagine the difficulty we had!
We sat on the boat last night listing the highlights and lowlights of the trip ... dull is never a word you can apply to a camping trip.
I remember that you had a busy social time at the moment and well done you for managing your eating in a more controlled way than previously. It is such a powerful message you send yourself when you realise you didn't eat something you know you would have eaten before.
Each time you have these little successes you are empowering your mind and embedding in it the knowledge that you, Archi, are on the way to being able to make more and more sensible decisions about what you eat and don't eat.
Have a wonderful trip yourself ;0) -
Message 35
Posted by Fire-Pig - proud to wave the protest banner (U12231213) on Thursday, 1st April 2010
Westie I'm delighted to see you back on this thread and know that all is well. It is a fine line to tread with other posters; we feel we know and love them and are concerned when they are not with us, BUT we each have our own lives to lead and ML might not figure, even MFC might not. (Grammar undoubtedly wrong but ... I was bottom of the form at English!)
Weighed myself this morning, and can report a loss of 1 lb this month. PMA tells me that it was a loss, and that I know I have been just keeping an eye on things not trying that hard. On 1st May I want to be able to report 4 lbs loss, that will take me both to a new stone zone and also a total of 3 stone lost. I reward myself with each stone lost - first one I spent £14 on myself, second £28 so this time it should be £42 and I know what I want!
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Message 36
Posted by Auntie Prue (U1481323) on Thursday, 1st April 2010
How can we find you on Facebook, westie? Perhaps you are already a friend, and I didn't realise it was you : )
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Message 37
Posted by Auntie Prue (U1481323) on Thursday, 1st April 2010
There are several of us who have type 2 diabetes, so this might be of use.
It is also very good advice for everyone.
As has been said before, type 2 diabetics *have* to eat the way everyone else *should* eat. -
Message 38
Posted by Westsussexbird or Birdy aka Westie (U6316532) on Thursday, 1st April 2010
Fire-pig thank you for such a kind message ;0) While I have the internet MFC will always be important to me, but as you say, we don't all always have the time to engage fully.
Prue I don't use Facebook in a public way. Sorry ;0) It was just that I realised I had lost the internet on my phone when pics I was sending to Facebook bounced.
Such good reports of weight lost.
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Message 39
Posted by Miftrefs Laura in Lothian bufily ftitching (U2587870) on Thursday, 1st April 2010
Thu, 01 Apr 2010 13:30 GMT, in reply to westie westsussexbird
I had a very complicated day yesterday due to trains in Scotland being rather disrupted - I got off lightly as my train into Edinburgh had to carry on via Carlisle to Newcastle, due to arrive in London at 1.30am instead of its timetabled 8.30pm, poor folks!
I ended up, somehow, eating three ham-and-mustard sandwiches yesterday... I also had half a pound of grapes and a lot of water. I took with me some sliced Smoked Austrian cheese but only had 2-3 of them. I forgot (!) to buy crisps. I took both marzipan Ritter-sport and a big bar of Galaxy and only ate a bit of each, ending up donating them to people staying on my train (no catering services at all for a journey so long, poor souls!).
Do you think it was the Mustard that made me less interested in the junk?!
I am, of course, not here. As usual. Oops.
KOKO all!
laura -
Message 40
Posted by Westsussexbird or Birdy aka Westie (U6316532) on Thursday, 1st April 2010
Laura ;0))
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Message 41
Posted by Auntie Prue (U1481323) on Thursday, 1st April 2010
Don't blame you westie. I lurked on Facebook for a couple of years under an assumed name just to check out that it was safe : )
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Message 42
Posted by LostInML (U13646691) on Thursday, 1st April 2010
Here is an example of my internal dialogues. Writing it helps me to see how ridiculous this is.
[Background information - in preparation for picnic lunch tomorrow, I have bought some breadcakes. I need 5 breadcakes for 3 people and they are only sold in packs of 6. This leaves one spare breadcake unaccounted for.]
Me (longing): I could eat the spare breadcake now.
Me (reason): You're only half-an-hour away from dinner. Why eat the breadcake now?
Me (longing): Because I haven't had one of these cheese and onion topped breadcakes in months and I really want one. They are soft and squidgy and I'm tired of only eating healthy wholemeal bread.
Me (reason): But eating all those breadcakes was what helped you to put on all that weight earlier. Why go back to that position?
Me (longing): I know, but it's only /one/ breadcake, isn't it? What harm could /one/ breadcake do?
Me (reason): Plenty. You're going to get weighed tomorrow. If things aren't good, are you going to blame the breadcake? And if they are good, are you going to say it didn't have any bad effect, so you can justify having another one?
Me (longing): But it's a waste of a breadcake! If I don't eat it now, who will?
Me (reason): Someone will, I'm sure. And you could always put it in the freezer and eat it at a planned meal in the future, then, couldn't you?
Me (longing): Yes, but it's so soft and squidgy and...
You see the cyclical thinking and the way longing doesn't really respond to reason, however many rational reasons reason produces. That's the kind of internal dialogue I have all the time. I'm just relieved a) that I don't do this /as much/ as I used to and b) that I don't give in anywhere near as often as I used to and c) I want to enjoy my dinner without guilt. So the breadcake is currently uneaten. And now that I've confessed, the eye of ML can ask me about it later tonight and tomorrow as well... It's called accountability. -
Message 43
Posted by Auntie Prue (U1481323) on Thursday, 1st April 2010
Just shove that breadcake into the freezer NOW!!!
Not sure what a breadcake is - but glad I didn't know about them before ; )
What an education this thread is - Scotch pies, breadcakes - what will be next, I wonder? -
Message 44
Posted by Fire-Pig - proud to wave the protest banner (U12231213) on Thursday, 1st April 2010
Lost we all understand - most of us have experienced just the same dialogue - possibly not with a breadcake (I'm another who doesn't recognise the name) Some of us would say that you were talking to the breadcake demon or even the breadcake was calling you in its most sultry siren voice. This time you put it away - the more times you do this the easier it does become. (However those little demons can creep up on me when I am particularly tired or fraught - I think others experience the same thing.)
I've only just realised that I didn't plan supper before going out to work today. I will have to go to talk to the kitchen and see what it, and the freezer, can conjure up for us!
F-P -
Message 45
Posted by LostInML (U13646691) on Thursday, 1st April 2010
A breadcake (sorry, I didn't realise I was speaking a foreign language!) is something you use to make a sandwich. It's round, rather than square or rectangualar. I suppose it could also be called a bread roll (except it's usually larger than what I would call a bread roll... it does come in different sizes, though!)
Anyway, I have eaten a luscious Thai beef salad and have no further desire for the breadcake, so it can call away! I shall put it in the freezer tomorrow when I have used the others in the pack. -
Message 46
Posted by Westsussexbird or Birdy aka Westie (U6316532) on Thursday, 1st April 2010
Lost, well done. I find that now I can sort of by-pass the extended conversation and get to the heart of the matter which of course is ..... it's barking to eat that! ;0)
-
Message 47
Posted by Sister Primrose of the Red Tinsel Flag (U5405579) on Thursday, 1st April 2010
LiML, did you ever do any assertiveness training? One of the things assertiveness trainers teach is to avoid getting into discussions about the thing you've decided not to do as it increases the chances of getting your arm twisted into doing something that you don't really want to do.
They suggest adopting the broken record technique of restating your intention instead as a way of bringing the conversation to a quicker close and keeping your resolve. So that conversation would have gone like this
Me (longing): I could eat the spare breadcake now.
Me (assertive): I'm choosing not to eat the breadcake
Me (longing): I haven't had one of these cheese and onion topped breadcakes in months and I really want one. They are soft and squidgy and I'm tired of only eating healthy wholemeal bread.
Me (assertive): I'm choosing not to eat the breadcake
Me (longing): I know, but it's only /one/ breadcake, isn't it? What harm could /one/ breadcake do?
Me (assertive): I'm choosing not to eat the breadcake
Me (longing): But it's a waste of a breadcake! If I don't eat it now, who will?
Me (assertive): I'm choosing not to eat the breadcake.
Me (accepting):Blimey, I'm not going to eat the breadcake am I?Â
Are you in Yorkshire? That's where I lived when I used to eat breadcakes...
PP -
Message 48
Posted by archingmad (U8292055) on Friday, 2nd April 2010
That piece of assertiveness training will stand me in good stead when I go downstairs to make my hot-water-bottles (perishing, isn't it?). I know I will be tempted by the very addictive home-made biscuits and cakes currently lurking in the kitchen. But I have already had evening snacks: two squares of very dark chocolate, two medjool dates (divine) and one clementine. So my mantra will be - ever so politely - no thank you, I've had enough this evening.
Another family meal tomorrow night and yet another on Sunday lunchtime. I refuse to do any more cooking after that - I need one whole day to do my packing. -
Message 49
Posted by LostInML (U13646691) on Friday, 2nd April 2010
Ha, I've been rumbled! Yes, I'm in Yorkshire. No wonder we have health issues, eh, when we call a savoury bread roll a bread/cake/?!
The breadcake is in the freezer! I won that battle!!
Thanks for the tips. I know /exactly/ what you mean by being persuaded into things you don't want to do by wheedling people (I live with a teenage son when he's not at university and he's an /expert/ at wheedling!) Funny, I have learned assertiveness in /those/ conversations!!
I told my husband the story today. As soon as I started, he said, 'Put the other one in the freezer, then.' End of story for him. Sigh. That's why he has no issues around food/ weight. It's all so logical. -
Message 50
Posted by Westsussexbird or Birdy aka Westie (U6316532) on Friday, 2nd April 2010
Lost, I have a daughter who as a teenager had the skill to argue that black was white with such conviction I was sure she would make a top legal eagle. Sadly as she approaches 30 she has lost that supreme confidence, so be careful to nurture it in your son.
;0)
We had a bit of a silliness with food yesterday evening. We decided to order chinese food and I said I would like to try chicken with pineapple so we decided to order it as well as our usual as OH isn't keen on fruit and meat. Anyhow it turned out he liked it ... sweet and sour without the batter ... and although when we had seen the quantity we had ordered we had said we could leave some for today while we were eating it we got beyond having had half and OH suggested we finish it! In fact I'd had enuff and stopped and he then said he had eaten more than he intended as he had thought we had agreed to finish it! So on the basis of that when I had finished in the kitchen I ate the rest .... he helped me! How daft is that.
Wise after the event would be that we should have served up our portions in the kitchen put their lids back on and left them there!
I've got a headache this morning. Serve me right!
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