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  Posted by planetzig (U7531074) on Friday, 28th May 2010

  Is there a long running thread regarding diabetes?
  I'd like some information on diet and ML is usually very informative on the practicalities of this kind of subject.
  If there is a thread going could someone bump it up for me please?

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  Posted by funnyjazzbaby (U14389829) on Sunday, 30th May 2010

  I haven't seen a previous thread but would be happy to share what little I do know having cared for my diabetic OH for many years.
  Are you particularly interested in diet, medication, control or perhaps initial diagnosis?
  Sorry I can't do links but there are many helpful related places you can Google but if it's the personal experiences you need, I'm yer gal.
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  Posted by Oz (U6102444) on Sunday, 30th May 2010

  If you have a specific question I may be able to help.
  
  Oz

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  Posted by planetzig (U7531074) on Sunday, 30th May 2010

  Thank you both for replying: much appreciated.
  Its just general observations on preparing meals that I'm looking for.
  OH is border line and I'm trying to get up front with dos and don'ts.
  The particular question that started me down this route was "what to poach fruit in".
  I've looked at some sites but they seem very regimental: I'm more into "good ideas" at this stage.
  Thanks again for replying.

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  Posted by LooseWheel (U2499574) on Sunday, 30th May 2010

  Hi Planetzig - my brother was diagnosed just over a year ago and controls it through diet and medication. His diabetes was caused by his obesity so he did have to make some pretty drastic changes to his diet - mainly though he severely reduced the amount of bread and potatoes he was accustomed to eating. At the start of each week, he makes up a huge bowl of fresh fruit salad, oranges, pineapple, melon, grapes (no grapefruit as this interferes with his medication). He has fruit for breakfast and for his mid-morning snack (bananas, apples, tangerines), and makes up a healthy salad for lunch (with chicken or fish for protein), and then quite normal food (ie not diet) for dinner, though he avoids tinned stuff because of the sugar it contains, so it's lots of fresh veg with maybe one or two small potatoes, and he allows himself one slice of wholemeal bread with a very thin scraping of Flora to have with dinner, then the fresh fruit salad for dessert. He also walks every day, a good distance and very fast. He has lost over 10 stones so far and his medication has been reduced, and he has been told that in the near future, he should be able to completely forego the medication and just control the diabetes through diet alone.
  LW x

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  Posted by Finally (U2221028) on Sunday, 30th May 2010

  we found Patrick Holford's low GI series very helpful. Emphasis on good quality food, avoiding processed foods like sugar, but also white bread and potatoes. There are so many delicious foods which are delicious, nutritious and do not disrupt blood sugar levels. Much more helpful than teh UK Diabeties site, which refers to carbohydrates without distinguishing between the ones which have been highly processed ones, and those which have not. Crucial, but omitted.
  
  Poaching fruit: to avoid sugar syrup, does the fruit need to be sweetened? Could it be eaten raw, or baked? Or poached in wine, flavoured with a cinnamon & vanilla. Enjoy! F xx

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  Posted by funnyjazzbaby (U14389829) on Sunday, 30th May 2010

  We do all of the above, especially the big bowl of fruit salad but on the advice of his dietician/educator, not too many bananas.
  She also told me that wholemeal bread is little better than white and suggested we use granary..more expensive natch.
  I use low fat milk and low salt bran type breakfast cereal, canned fruit in juice rather than syrup but only small amounts.
  Sugar free ice cream for the odd treat but there is much debate about the relative merit/harm of sugar vs Aspartame.
  Same applies to sugar free boiled sweets and toffee you can get in the supermarkets here.
  
  We were also advised to have v small meals but more frequently for better balance.
  
  OH is on both tablets and high doses of Insulin, mainly because he was undiagnosed and therefore untreated until major damage had happened.
  His stroke was caused by a blocked artery rather than the diabetes alone but it certainly didn't help.
  Not helped either by the rubbish he ate at the oddest times even though I sent him out in his truck every morning with a healthyish packed lunch.
  Like many self employed males of his age, he "Didn't Have the Time" to go to the Dr. when the first warning signs started.
  
  I hope this post is seen by others as a Cautionary Tale as much of his woes(and mine) might have been avoided.
  Good luck.
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  Posted by Finally (U2221028) on Sunday, 30th May 2010

  wholemeal bread is little better than white and suggested we use granary  
  
  Ummmmm...... granary [malted bread] rating better than stoneground wholemeal bread on glycemic load?
  
  Interesting approach. Any idea what that is based on? F xx

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  Posted by funnyjazzbaby (U14389829) on Sunday, 30th May 2010

  I'm not sure of her reasoning, Finally but it may be that we produce and market stuff in Oz differently from in the UK.
  I use the word "Granary" only because I hear it on UK boards, here it's Whole or Multi Grain and I don't think it's malted.
  Just why the whole grain might be better than the same thing ground is beyond me.
  But having said that and having been advised by more than one dietician over the years, I have been quite surprised by the differences in their opinions of what is good/better/worse.
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  Posted by Oz (U6102444) on Sunday, 30th May 2010

  This may seem a strange approach but my OH suggests that his new patients start with avoiding or simply cutting out all "white foods".
  ie
  white bread
  sugar (remember that syrup and fruit juice are sugars too)
  floury things
  white rice (brown is far better for you)
  and so on
  It is the easiest way to start if you are new to all of this.
  Plus incorporation "wet foods"
  Salad and raw veg .
  If you don't like raw carrots or celery make dips with low fat creme fraiche. My fav is garlic and chilli.
  As for protein then keep it lean and make sure you have enough of it.The commonest reason for people on a diet to get hungry. About a fist full per serving.
  However the key is exercise.
  Gentle to start off with and progressing.
  Without this the rest will fail.
  
  Oz
  
  

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  Posted by Finally (U2221028) on Monday, 31st May 2010

  Hi Oz, that sounds like a very sensible approach. Easy to follow, and no clash with the underlying theory.
  
  Ive found that so many advisors, including sites, start with sensible advice, but then try to make it easier to follow and end up really confusing the message. And then we end up with people saying 'its all too conflicting and confusing. *sigh*...

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  Posted by planetzig (U7531074) on Monday, 31st May 2010

  I'm very grateful for the various responses to my original question and Finally's last post really reflected how I feel.
  "Its all too conflicting and confusing".
  OH does not have a good medical history and we have worked quite hard at our diet for many years.
  Have you ever stood at the supermarket checkout with your trolley and gazed in awe, disbelief, and envy at the trolley in front of you? Piled high with all sorts of things you wouldn't dream of buying and being purchased by two whip-thin parents of whip-thin children.
  Ah well!.
  Anyhow, thank you.
  I appreciate your helpful comments.

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