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Message 1.Â
Posted by David K (U14115317) on Tuesday, 1st June 2010
Good morning gardeners (or anyone just interesting in the thread) welcome to the Potting Shed in June.
I hope everyone had an enjoyable spring bank holiday and were able to spent time in their gardens.
Following the coldest winter for many years, (in terms of gardening) spring weather too has been quite disappointing. However, I think in most parts of the UK, most tender bedding plants & hanging baskets can be put outside now.
It would interesting to hear a progress report from those who have been growing potatoes in containers.
Best wishes to Halftidy’s DD & partner, who are getting married later this month. -
Message 2
Posted by Miftrefs Laura in Lothian bufily ftitching (U2587870) on Tuesday, 1st June 2010
Tue, 01 Jun 2010 09:02 GMT, in reply to David K in message 1
We've had very odd weather in Edinburgh this year - Jan-Feb was very cold but incredibly dry and very very sunny. We didn't get the weeks of grey sleet that many of you got. Plenty of snow but also plenty of bright sun.
April got very warm at times, still dry, and May has been extraordinary - the last weekends have gone:
2nd weekend of May - camping 100 miles north of Edinburgh, minus six degrees
3rd weekend of May - at home, struggling with the hottest May temp ever recorded in Scotland, 25.6 degrees at Leuchars
4th weekend of May - being steadily rained on with mild temperatures.
back and forth!
We've got salads coming up now, and the hanging-basket strawbs are berrying up. I adore watching spring onion (known to me as 'sproingions") seedlings emerge, folded double and then straightening out! Seeing red chard and beetroot emerge is nearly as good because they are so incredibly crimson - beautiful and so tiny!
laura -
Message 3
Posted by Miftrefs Laura in Lothian bufily ftitching (U2587870) on Tuesday, 1st June 2010
Tue, 01 Jun 2010 09:07 GMT, in reply to David K in message 1
It would interesting to hear a progress report from those who have been growing potatoes in containers.Â
Uhhh... Mum put some in potato-growing bags and I noticed today they are emerging again through the added compost. Um.... I know one variety was 'Rocket' because we stood staring blankly at the varieties, having never heard of most of them and I'd seen 'Rocket' mentioned here as one to grow so we got it!
We also have two half-barrels, one with six runner-beans in, and one with four dwarf French beans and four broad beans.
Our allotmenteers are having great success - their radishes are all up now, their courgettes look happy, and the marigolds planted between are flowering away like crazy. Yesterday two runner bean plants and four pea plants carefully grown at home from seed appeared with some splendid twiggy pea-sticks.
I've got some seedling plants of p.s.broc and brussels sprouts to put in my kitchen garden, underplanted with salads, and was wondering - I'd like the allotmenteers to have them, to prolong the growing season for them, but they don't have space just now. If I heel them in, in my patch, could I then dig them up in late summer or early autumn to pass on to the allotmenteers in the front garden? Or can't you transplant them in, say, early September? I just thought it would be a way of keeping their young 'un interested in growing food later in the year (Our Own Sprouts for Christmas dinner, for example!).
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Message 4
Posted by David K (U14115317) on Tuesday, 1st June 2010
Thanks for the update of the allomenteers...I'm genuinely interest in their progress.
I like the selection of stuff they are growing i.e. quick maturing stuff. Nothing more likely to put off new gardeners, than having to wait for months to see any return on their labour.
Your idea for those Brussels sprouts should be fine..just remember to take out a root-ball of soil when lifting them. -
Message 5
Posted by Miftrefs Laura in Lothian bufily ftitching (U2587870) on Tuesday, 1st June 2010
Tue, 01 Jun 2010 09:56 GMT, in reply to David K in message 4
I know you are, David; it's one of the many reasons we all love you
I'm so pleased I can move the sprouts later - that makes it nicer for them. I intend to plant mine out at approx their eventual spacing but underplant with saladings such as Lamb's Lettuce and other leaf-crops. Then the carrots, radishes and sproingions can be further away, as they need uprooting to use.
There's a drivway near here almost exactly the size of my kitchen garden, a long strip along the drive, about 4-5 foot deep. It is amazingly productive and I went and had a chat with the woman who said that IF the soil is kept really really good then you can plant very much closer together than the books say. She said it is a compromise - obviously you won't get single large specimens of whatever, but if you eat most of your produce a bit young'n'tender anyway, she says she just treats her beds almost as flower-beds, but with the proviso that she has to keep feeding the soil, rather than feeding the plants.
I thought to myself "'ey up, she's a bi of a Geoff Hamiltonite!"
So, I'm hoping for an Ornamental Cottage Garden, a la the sainted Geoff. Like a herbaceous border but with a bit more work involved each day. Flowers in amongst the edibles. Edible flowers, come to that...
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Message 6
Posted by David K (U14115317) on Tuesday, 1st June 2010
Oh yes, Laura - I agree with the lady completely (would I be brave enough to do otherwise, with even a smidgen saint Geoff logic about it).
Onions are typical. I plant mine 6 inches apart and usually have large/ish specimens. This is not because I crave them to be large; it's simply so I can hoe easily between them. It has to be remembered I do have the room. -
Message 7
Posted by David K (U14115317) on Tuesday, 1st June 2010
Laura - Further to my message No4. I would just suggest that when you transplant those Brussels sprouts, plant them deeper than they were in the nursery bed and firm the soil around them...I mean 'big boot time'!
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Message 8
Posted by GuzziNut (U6364582) on Tuesday, 1st June 2010
no spud bags but
In no particular order I have put dwarf beans, various types and colours, french and runner, into pots in the front garden, with the pots / baskets of annnual flowering stuff, salads and herbs (big on "cottage garden" here, if that means plant what you like, where you like...)
onions, mangetout, various squashes, climbing beans(various), more salad (wish this weather would improve so I would want to eat the stuff), beetroots (lot 2 due to rabbit damage - rabbit is no more), chards and strawberries romping away out the back.
oh and the big polystyrene fish box has carrots in it, should I have put fleece over them already? or is it too late? They look healthy
Spare squash plants have been given to various pals / workmates
replacement clematis being watered regularly, either by me or the sky and two are in flower -
Message 9
Posted by halftidy (U8567554) on Tuesday, 1st June 2010
spuds - I have potatoes in 3 large dustbins and they are very nearly big enough to eat (am I the only one who is so impatient I dig gently down to feel them??). The ones in the garden are coming along nicely but they went out later and did not the frost set back that the bins ones did despite fleecing.
Veggies - this weekend I planted out the rest of the runner beans , new broad bean babies, PSB babies (and ate the last of this year's), now it is heavy duty weeding time - I do so prefer to handweed as I find it very soothing (with Radio 4), and the weeds seem to stay away longer and I do less damage to the plants! I do so agree with David about the distance between onion plants - it has to be the right distance for my hoe! (When I have not the time to handweed)
Flowers - planted out the cosmos, nicotiana (no roots system developed at all in the Bowyers loam potting on compost, so they will take their chance in the beds). Sown cornflowers have disappeared. Staked delphiniums. Husband built a huge window box outside the kitchen window - 12 ft long, now full of geranium pots! (For those interested, this is cos the reception is Bavarian themed due to upbringing of the b'groom. Mole traps 2 - Moles - 0. Result. Now ............ sweet peas are starting to go for their lives - great sighs of relief - we will have plenty!! Could not spray over the weekend as it kept raining - so tonight it is - I plan to pick them up to this weekend and then stop. Now concentrating on encouraging Mai Gold and Pauls Himalayan Musk to flower - go on my beauties. Best wishes to all - happy gardening.
PS DD and chap and ED and her chap worked like slaves all weekend, painting, spreading gravel, burning, mowing - bless them. -
Message 10
Posted by halftidy (U8567554) on Tuesday, 1st June 2010
PS = What variety was that heavenly sweet pea close up please?
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Message 11
Posted by diasporatehousewife (U9694450) on Tuesday, 1st June 2010
Tue, 01 Jun 2010 13:37 GMT, in reply to halftidy in message 10
I went to London for the weekend and came back to find that my garden has been dug up by something leaving tracks likea dog. 50cm deep hole in my sweet pea seedlings. Completely ruined. Don't they know it has been hard enough this year already with the last snowfall 3rd May, yes May! grump grump.
Went to the garden centre on my way home to see if they had some seedlings to raplce them with... no of course not, as mine were grown (late and slow) from seed. Wah! I hate dogs. -
Message 12
Posted by Shirley Knott (U14164156) on Tuesday, 1st June 2010
Often lurk here, but haven't posted before - wonder if I could ask some advice.
I've got a viburnum, three years old, coming along nicely until a few weeks ago. All the leaves are gnarled and twisted and much smaller than last year.
This appeared about the same time as those horrible late frosts so I put it down to that, but on closer inspection, it's absolutely infested with blackfly.
I don't use sprays unless I absolutely have to and I've used the washing up liquid and water in a spray bottle trick.
What's worrying me is if the plant is done for - it looks really bad. Will it come back next year if I prepare myself for the invasion of the body snatchers? (Well, blackfly) -
Message 13
Posted by LemonTree (U14464136) on Tuesday, 1st June 2010
Really wishing I'd planted some runner beans now, but it's taken me a while to get organised having only moved in end of last year .. hence why my spuds are a bit late, but David's advice on storing the seed potatoes in the salad compartment of the fridge that I bought earlier in the year*, until I got myself a bit more sorted, has worked really well.
I only chitted mine a few weeks back, then planted them out week before last, and they are starting to come through really well. Got two varieties on the go .. one is Bambino (salad potato) .. that's a new one on me, so will be interesting to see what they are like .. and Pentland Javelin, which I’ve heard of but don’t really know what they are like, so will be quite interesting too!
Have just potted on a few perennials I grew from seed earlier in the year .. hollyhocks, verbena (bonariensis .. the lovely tall, spindly, purple one!), geranium (a fairly uncommon, but really beautiful, one .. G. wallichianum .. not Buxton's variety, just the plain species .. *love* the dark stamens and the pencil line markings on the petals! ), some red valerian, aquilegia, and a few wild plants (ragged robin, meadow buttercup, etc). All a bit small to plant out yet, so will grow them on until autumn .. hopefully got enough plants growing to share with my bezzie mate up the road!
Really scary reading about halftidy’s sweetpeas .. I’m on the edge of my seat hoping they will be ok for the big day! Doing well so far though, by the looks of things ..
*The seed potatoes I bought earlier in the year, not the fridge .. -
Message 14
Posted by halftidy (U8567554) on Tuesday, 1st June 2010
are you sure it was a dog? Can you make the garden dog proof? We have had a visiting muntjac in the field next to the precious garden this weekend, I shouted terrible threats to him/her - my dog proof garden is definitely NOT muntjac proof. Do you think shouting "roast saddle of muntjac with new potatoes and a red cabbage remoulade" will have done the trick?????
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Message 15
Posted by diasporatehousewife (U9694450) on Tuesday, 1st June 2010
Tue, 01 Jun 2010 16:05 GMT, in reply to halftidy in message 14
My garden is not anything proof, as we cannot put fences up ... it's against the byelaws... muntjac. hmm, don't think there are any... but another deer? would they do that? -
Message 16
Posted by LemonTree (U14464136) on Tuesday, 1st June 2010
Sounds like it might have been a fox, they were always digging up my mum's garden in S.London .. lovely creatures, but had become a real pest around that area.
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Message 17
Posted by diasporatehousewife (U9694450) on Tuesday, 1st June 2010
Tue, 01 Jun 2010 16:09 GMT, in reply to LemonTree in message 16
yeah - I thought of fox too.. hmm. still cross. have filled in hole with compost and soil, and rescued some seedlings.. None to be found in garden centre of course. -
Message 18
Posted by SussexCornflower InTheFinalCountdown (U13833966) on Tuesday, 1st June 2010
Just bookmarking for later.
I bookmarked Xno's June thread this morning but now see we have another one!
"Confused of Sussex!!" -
Message 19
Posted by LemonTree (U14464136) on Tuesday, 1st June 2010
Ooer .. just as well I didn't see the other one, Cornflower, otherwise I would have been "Confused of Sussex" too!
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Message 20
Posted by David K (U14115317) on Tuesday, 1st June 2010
Halftidy - Thanks for your update; I feel cautiously optimistic that the weeding SP project is on course.
The recent rain and forecast higher temps for later in the week bodes well for a good display.
Though I've very much enjoyed going through the growing process with you, I have to admit that putting it into print doesn't come naturally to me....demonstrating procedures personally comes much easier.
The (close-up) sweet pea you ask about is called 'Lisa Marie'. This was bred by Eagle Sweet Peas and is named after Derek & Jenny (Mr & Mrs Eagle's) daughter.
Given the imminence of the forthcoming nuptials, I'm very impressed by the amount of gardening you're fitting in. -
Message 21
Posted by David K (U14115317) on Tuesday, 1st June 2010
Lems & other container spud growers. I emptied one of my tubs today and harvested several feeds of table tennis ball sized 'Rocket' tubers.
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Message 22
Posted by David K (U14115317) on Tuesday, 1st June 2010
Hi, Brick Train and welcome to The Potting Shed.
I do respect anyone who is reluctant to use sprays. However, if it were me I would spray with a systemic spray such as 'Provado'.
Alternatively, you could use an effective homemade organic insecticide made from rhubarb leaves. -
Message 23
Posted by SussexCornflower InTheFinalCountdown (U13833966) on Tuesday, 1st June 2010
(am I the only one who is so impatient I dig gently down to feel them??). Â
No - well, I haven't yet. But if you are, so will I. I have just one bucket with 4 plants in it. The leaves are looking very healthy and I have earthed them up to the top.
You aren't supposed to let them flower are you?
BrickTrain - if it is that bad, then I would be tempted to give it a 50-50 chance and cut it right back. I know it is an evergreen, but if there is life in it, new shoots will appear and hopefully they will be healthy. I did this with a photinia and it is the picture of health. See if you can see any buds lower down on the stems. -
Message 24
Posted by David K (U14115317) on Tuesday, 1st June 2010
diasporatehousewife, little I can do other than offer my heartfelt sympathy.
Gardening is a constant battle against pests, diseases and the elements anytime, let alone the destruction you describe.
Please accept these as a poor consolation prize: [IMG] -
Message 25
Posted by Nomadnomore - XNo - Quiz Queen (U3180380) on Tuesday, 1st June 2010
I have a large allotment plot with my next door neighbour. It is on their land but I do most of the planning, planting and care.
In the last two years care of the plot has been very sporadic with my lack of mobility (problem with ankle) and their lack of availability. Last year we had one major weekend when a lot of digging was done. A certain amount was grown but the only really successful things were courgettes, beetroot and leeks.
It seemed at the start of this year that it was all overgrown again and we were back a square one. However:-
1. Everywhere that we have dug that was dug last year has been easy.
2. We have one raised bed up and running with asparagus (to be harvested within the next couple of years).
3. We have the start of the structure of the plot mapped out; paths, beds, etc.
4. We have a rabbit fence (that still needs some extra security)
5. We have a the bean support up ready for planting tomorrow, along with beds for planting out sweetcorn, courgettes, pumpkins, onions and beetroot.
6. We have two productive rhubarb corms.
7. I am fit enough to do some light gardening again.
There are still masses of dockweed, thistles and nettles to clear but we are concentrating on what we have achieved rather than how much work there still is to do.
Maybe one day we might have some sweet peas that we can take photos of to show to David. -
Message 26
Posted by David K (U14115317) on Tuesday, 1st June 2010
Wooops!!! For diasporatehousewife: [IMG]/IMG]
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Message 27
Posted by David K (U14115317) on Tuesday, 1st June 2010
Awww, XNo! What marvellous progress, considering your recent problems...well done!!
Although gardening is a pleasurable pastime, remember nothing is more important than your health, so please be careful.
I would love to see your SP pics, though I'm not as obsessed by them as it may seem here at times. -
Message 28
Posted by diasporatehousewife (U9694450) on Tuesday, 1st June 2010
Tue, 01 Jun 2010 20:14 GMT, in reply to David K in message 27
Wow! Gorjus David, thank you. -
Message 29
Posted by SussexCornflower InTheFinalCountdown (U13833966) on Tuesday, 1st June 2010
Blimey XNo, you and your neighbour seem to have achieved great things in a short space of time.
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Message 30
Posted by GuzziNut (U6364582) on Tuesday, 1st June 2010
well, that makes me permenantly confused of Sussex, Lemontree and Sussex C
just bought a pumpkin plant - ooops -
Message 31
Posted by Shirley Knott (U14164156) on Tuesday, 1st June 2010
Sussex and David - thanks for your tips on my viburnum.
I've been out and had another look tonight and it's bad. It's turning brown so I'm going with your suggestion, Sussex and I'm cutting it back.
If nothing else, it'll be satisfying to know I've taken the restaurant away from the little blighters.
I've never seen them so bad.
Thanks, B-T x -
Message 32
Posted by SussexCornflower InTheFinalCountdown (U13833966) on Tuesday, 1st June 2010
Eeeek - Will you still speak to me if it doesn't work?
(Keep getting "Server too Busy" tonight) -
Message 33
Posted by LemonTree (U14464136) on Tuesday, 1st June 2010
Whahey! .. were those for dinner tonight, David? -
Message 34
Posted by LemonTree (U14464136) on Tuesday, 1st June 2010
<(am I the only one who is so impatient I dig gently down to feel them??). >
I'm dreadful for doing that, halftidy, can never resist poking around if I'm trying to root a cutting (usually without success, but I have managed to break all the roots off probably the only other thing I managed to root apart from my recent delphinium cutting, by being too blummin impatient!) ... I also do it with seeds as well, just to see if they have germinated under the soil, so will probably end up poking and prodding around in the soil with my spuds too! -
Message 35
Posted by David K (U14115317) on Tuesday, 1st June 2010
Yer know me, Lems..can't resist a picture:
[IMG]/IMG] -
Message 36
Posted by sagethyme (U5272261) on Tuesday, 1st June 2010
Hi all gardeners.
Fruit tree advice requested please.
We have 2 old pears, Conference and Williams, supposed to pollinate each other but only Conference has set fruit this year. Do you think the other is past it or may rebound next year? Presumably the much-heralded shortage of insects would have affected both trees if true?
Our one young Cox has set more fruit than usual, despite APs telling me Coxes are difficult to pollinate. -
Message 37
Posted by LemonTree (U14464136) on Tuesday, 1st June 2010
Oh, Wow! (grrr .. I've got *ages* to wait for mine ..!)
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Message 38
Posted by David K (U14115317) on Tuesday, 1st June 2010
Message 20. "I feel cautiously optimistic that the weeding SP project is on course."
Yikes!!! Some typos really are /too/ much...hangs head in shame. -
Message 39
Posted by halftidy (U8567554) on Tuesday, 1st June 2010
Isn't Lisa Marie the name of Elvis Presley's daughter too?? Will remember for next year. Just had text from DD to say 'don't over- do it - the garden looks amazing as it is' - she reckons people wont look at the details - just the over view - but I would like it perfect but still have the cake to make - not to mention trying to work out how many new potatoes to buy and if i have enough lettuces of my own to avoid buying in for the green salads!! hey ho! I am so grateful to this thread and of course David in particular - I could not have done it without you all - fingers crossed 11 days and counting!!
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Message 40
Posted by Nomadnomore - XNo - Quiz Queen (U3180380) on Tuesday, 1st June 2010
You aren't supposed to let them flower are you? Â
Well I always let spuds flower, once they have flowered then you know there is likely to be a crop (of earlies). I've found some main crop spuds do much better if you leave them until the tops die away, I've even left them in the containers until the new year and they are fine until they start to sprout again.
And no, I don't dig gently down to feel them at any time. They need peace and quiet and an untroubled environment rather than man (or woman) handling.
I've done some seeds in seed trays this evening. More beans, beetroot and herbs (coriander and basil). It's simpler for me to sow in trays rather than directly into the ground, I can do it at home and late at night. I have, however, learned that carrots should definitely be sown and grown in place! Last year I had wonderful tops and diddly squat roots.
The leeks that I sowed in a tray last year and that got put in more or less as they were sometime in July or August (when I was about to put them in the compost) have been the only successful over-wintered crop. The last ones need eating now because they are about to flower.
The broad beans (first time for me) are flowering and the second sowing is ready for planting.
I do find this time of year very exciting. -
Message 41
Posted by David K (U14115317) on Tuesday, 1st June 2010
Yes, Lisa Marie was Elvis Presley's daughter too. Quite a few of Eagle's introductions are named after family members. Another nice one is 'Just Jenny'..that's after Mrs Eagle.
This is another similar picotee named 'Linda Carole': [IMG]/IMG]
Btw, I agree with DD. -
Message 42
Posted by Nomadnomore - XNo - Quiz Queen (U3180380) on Tuesday, 1st June 2010
Although gardening is a pleasurable pastime, remember nothing is more important than your health, so please be careful. Â
Thanks for the reminder David, you are quite right and I do pace myself. But don't you think that freshly dug and raked soil is just soooooo satisfyingly beautiful and full of promise of things that can be grown in it?
Sweet peas will happen when everything else is under control.
One of the nice things about this plot is that there are three of us doing it so a little bit of effort each turns into a lot of result. -
Message 43
Posted by GuzziNut (U6364582) on Wednesday, 2nd June 2010
Sagethyme, did you get the frosts when the pear trees were in flower? If so than that'll finish the fruit off.
No sign of plums on any of my plum trees, which were in flower during the frosty spell, I will have a proper inspection tonight. Cherry trees have plenty of fruit tho -
Message 44
Posted by David K (U14115317) on Wednesday, 2nd June 2010
But don't you think that freshly dug and raked soil is just soooooo satisfyingly beautiful and full of promise of things that can be grown in it?Â
Quite right, XNo and a comment only a gardener would make.
This is from our Laura in last month's Potting Shed:
I've just deep-dug a main bed in the kitchen garden - it's the area that kept forming a lurid viridian crust last year whilst being bone-dry dust underneath this damp crust... so I forked right down and the soil came up in solid lumps like dry clay soil, only it's not really clay... so plenty of homemade-compost dug in right deep down and all the way up, plus plenty of grit and then I sieved some more of the gravel path into a basin and shook that out evenly over the top few inches, very fine grit indeed and sieved soil (mainly leafmould really) and it looks gorgeous now. Can't quite work out whether to plant things in it, eat it or just keep it pristine and admire its soil
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Message 45
Posted by Miftrefs Laura in Lothian bufily ftitching (U2587870) on Wednesday, 2nd June 2010
Wed, 02 Jun 2010 08:48 GMT, in reply to halftidy in message 14
We have had a visiting muntjac in the field next to the precious garden this weekend, I shouted terrible threats to him/her - my dog proof garden is definitely NOT muntjac proof. Do you think shouting "roast saddle of muntjac with new potatoes and a red cabbage remoulade" will have done the trick?????Â
!!!!!
If it hasn't done the trick, halftidy, I think you can count on quite a few of the Potting Shed regulars to come round and mount a 24-hour muntjac-patrol to protect the precious garden and the sweet-peas. We can take it in shifts through the night, two by two.
What about putting pots of mint and some redcurrants around the fence, to deter the muntjac as (like lamb) it goes well with mint sauce and redcurrant jelly... -
Message 46
Posted by GuzziNut (U6364582) on Wednesday, 2nd June 2010
sadly I dont think BLoke and air rifle 'll cut it against a pesky muntjac...
I could brandish the hollow tine lawn thingy and look menacing, if needed tho -
Message 47
Posted by halftidy (U8567554) on Wednesday, 2nd June 2010
yup - I am licensed to use shotgun but to be honest a rifle is the only humane way to dispatch muntjac and whilst I do have friends suitably armed, a rifle is very dangerous even in our neck of the woods, there is a footpath within half a mile and unless one has clear view - it is simply not safe. (Not to mention having to create a hide and spend some hrs hiding!) Anyway no sign last night so fingers crossed - restored to health lab is trained not to chase anything, something I may now regret - (it is extraordinary to see the pair of partridge that seem to have adopted us just looking gazing at the lab with total unconcern - when not grazing on my leek seedlings)! My early morning weeding (wedding??!!) forays into the garden are a joy when the partridges are there, yesterday some duck came over and we have pheasants in the field too!!!! Gardening is so lovely in the early hours - just me, a mug of tea and Radio 4! Sad old bat!!
PS Delphiniums showing signs of flowering - wow! -
Message 48
Posted by David K (U14115317) on Wednesday, 2nd June 2010
Just now, I'm not sure whether its 'weeding' or 'wedding' that dominates my thorts....anyway; I'm a self-confessed typo mess!
Tell them thar monk-jacks they'll have me to answer to if they touch those sweet peas. -
Message 49
Posted by diasporatehousewife (U9694450) on Wednesday, 2nd June 2010
Wed, 02 Jun 2010 10:09 GMT, in reply to David K in message 48
Are they religious brethren that climb up chimneys? or the abbey tower from the outside, perhaps? Bit of nasty habit. -
Message 50
Posted by LemonTree (U14464136) on Wednesday, 2nd June 2010
Well, I dunno bout the muntjac, Guzzi, but you've certainly put the wind up me!
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