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Message 1.Â
Posted by Sister Primrose of the Red Tinsel Flag (U5405579) on Tuesday, 9th November 2010
Good Morning and welcome into the nice cosy room in the Village Hall we keep for the MFC. F for Fit, F for Feisty, F for Friendly.
The emphasis of the club is on adopting and maintaining a healthy relationship with food. We support each other in learning how to choose the healthier option and eat a sensible portion size as well as integrating a bit more movement into our lives. Some of us are motivated by health, others by little black dresses but whyever we come here we support each other as we work on better habits.
There's really only one rule. We don't talk about RL weight or BMI as one person's 'Oh-My-God-I-Need-To-Do-Something-About-The State-I've-Got-Myself-Into' might be another's 'If-Only-I-Looked-As-Good-As-That'. Whether we start at a BMI of 40+ or skimming 26 we are all entitled to share our experiences and plans without worrying about what other folk think of us.
There are a couple of links we need to have easily available
Katy's Cookbook
Gem's Gynmn
and the Rota thread
And now, Primrose's Thought For The Day
As it gets colder I'm finding my thoughts turn to soup, this morning I remembered a programme screened earlier in the year containing scientifically proven changes that would assist weight loss and control. One of them was soup related. Two groups of army types were fed the same size portion of chicken, rice, carrots and water. One of the groups had it as a meal on a plate with a glass of water, the other had it put through a whizzer and served as soup. Then they were sent out on a army type training run. When they got back their tums were scanned, the group that had had the soup had fuller tums and reported feeling less hungry. So, if you're planning a soupy lunch think about liquidising it....
Have a good week my fit, feisty friends
PP
ps I also spotted a piece of research this morning about drinking water. Over a period of 12 weeks a group who drank two glasses of water three times a day before meals lost 5lb more than the control group who didn't. Haven't seen enough to know whether they were on same no. of calories or just chose to eat less, I'll try and look it up in greater depth when I'm up and showered.
pps Does anyone have links to the thread where we discussed the programme I talked about above? There were about 12 steps folk could take that were proven to make a difference but the soup is the only one I really remember. It would be good to see them all again. -
Message 2
Posted by Fire-Pig - proud to wave the protest banner (U12231213) on Tuesday, 9th November 2010
Thanks for opening PP, and your thoughts on soup. We have soup most days in winter and I try to make enough myself not to have OH buying any. Next week I will definitely make some, this week's days off are rather planned.
My good news is that I slept for SIX, yes 6, hours last night! I can't think when I last did that. I'm on a high this morning, bring on the dragons this Fire-Pig will quench them!
KOKO one and all, make as many good choices as you can.
F-P -
Message 3
Posted by Auntie Prue (U14585893) on Tuesday, 9th November 2010
Fluffles - I couldn't agree more with you about your comment "never dieting again".
Gaining full control of ones eating - and finding the healthy eating regime that suits you is the key to it all IMO. -
Message 4
Posted by Sister Primrose of the Red Tinsel Flag (U5405579) on Tuesday, 9th November 2010
I never came back into the thread after I got weighed last Tuesday as my weight was slightly up and I was fed up. Today I got weighed and the slightly up is gone, taking some of it's adipose pals with it, I'm now a pound down from where I was the week before. Slow and steady Primrose, slow and steady...
Weekly weighing is helpful to me to enable me to keep my eye on the ball. And it has to be pounds and ounces, they mean more to me than kilos.
A couple of years ago I had access to a very sophisticated set of medical scales that measured weight, BMI, % fat, lean tissue etc etc. They couldn't be calibrated to stones though and during the periosd that I was only getting weighed on them my weight crept up.
It wasn't until I started getting a weekly weigh in on a stones and pounds set of scales that I managed to focus on making good choices. I still got a weekly weigh in on the other work ones because it was heartening to see the ratio of fat to lean tissue alter but I never bothered looking at the kilos.
I think it's because a kilo is bigger than a pound so more 'damage' is done if a kilo slips on than a pound but it feels equivalent because the integer is still 1.
I think I'm also going back to a daily food diary to help me focus. Tuesday is a difficult day for me eating wise. I have to travel an hour across town for a drop in clinic that starts at 12 and doesn't finish until 4. I'm finding it hard to figure out what to eat and when so as to avoid me being so hungry by 4 that I eat daft stuff. We can't start the clinic a bit later as there is a huge amount of pressure on us to get out of the room at the end of the clinic so we have to be open dead on 12. I usually take fruit with me as I can get away with snacking on that in the room (health promotion innit?) but it doesn't really do the trick.
I've just had a banana sandwich for breakfast (nice brown bread, very filling) but by 12 I'll be hungry again. My boss suggested that I take a sandwich and eat it on the bus on the way over there but I don't like that as an idea. Perhaps I should take a flask of whizzed soup and go and hide outside to slurp it down. Not happy about not being able to eat a proper meal at a sensible time though, it's not a very respectful way of working to be made to sneak out to eat.
Anyhoo, well done on the sleep Firey Dragon Slayer and yes sparleering, that's the way to go.
PP -
Message 5
Posted by puzzler76 (U3733897) on Tuesday, 9th November 2010
Hello, thanks PP for opening. I'm feeling Very Pleased with Myself because I'm 1.5lb down having been relatively good all week. Just 2.25lb to my little target for a wedding 3 weeks on Saturday, then a new stone zone awaits.
December is a tricky month all round, I've already got a wedding, 2 Christmas meals out and a nibbles party booked before the middle of the month, without considering the main event and its associated eating. I'm going for damage limitation up until and in between, sensible choices and enjoyment during followed by more damage limitation! -
Message 6
Posted by LostInML (U13646691) on Tuesday, 9th November 2010
I would agree with your thoughts on Christmas and December. We are booked to go to Brussels between Christmas and the New Year as a special birthday treat for my Dad. Looking forward to that, but worried that the loss of exercise regime (apart from walking, obviously... where we're staying has no hotel pool or gym, alas...) coupled with the holiday mood will only contribute to weight gain that will take an inordinate amount of time to lose (if my current pace is anythign to go by.)I sort of wanted to be in a better position than this by then, but so far, weight is not shifting the way I want it to, even when I /am/ exercising plenty.
Ah well. Time to go and prepare dinner now. Had lovely soup for lunch, but that seems a very long time ago now! -
Message 7
Posted by GuzziNut (U6364582) on Tuesday, 9th November 2010
not sure if this will help or not PP, but I often start early and I work outside, with lunch being a moved or a missed thing, the soup flask thing works for me
in the winter I take a big, wide necked flask of soup, sometimes liquidised, sometimes lumpy, & then I take a spoon. This means I can have some when I want it, avoiding building site canteens. Its home made veggie stuff, OK, on cold days I am known to start the flask at 10.00... but I figure for me, its better than a fry up!
maybe you could have some when you get there and some when you leave?
quite often there is some left, but thats lunch for the next day -
Message 8
Posted by geepers (U6804393) on Tuesday, 9th November 2010
Primmers, I thought I still had a link to the 10 things that help you lose weight, but my discussions only goes back as far as the MFC for 9th June 2009, and it was before that. Don't think I can remember all 10 but here goes
Know the calories in food (lots of fruit = lots of sugar)
Portion control
Food diary (we underestimate what we eat even when we write it down)
Move around more (walk about on the phone etc)
Limit choice (buffets etc make you eat more)
Soup
There was something where the experiment involved having different breakfasts - was it to do with protein?
Exercise burns fat for longer than you think (the bloke had his metabolism tested the morning after he'd exercised)
That's only eight - best I can do I'm afraid. -
Message 9
Posted by Fire-Pig - proud to wave the protest banner (U12231213) on Tuesday, 9th November 2010
Hiya Geepers - nice to "see" you here. It wasn't much further back, there are several posts about it in this thread I notice that Auntie Prue only has 8 points in her message 53. I haven't read the whole thread to find out whether we get all 10! By the way, Fire-Pig is still wearing Bravissimo bras but smaller than the one discussed there!
I have sat and sewn most of the afternoon, by tonight I'll be the Firey Dragon Slayer with one scarlet boot! I'm making these but in scarlet. It saves £30 if you buy as a kit and sew them yourself. Each one takes 3 or 4 hours to stitch, and you cannot nibble while stitching! It is very strange for an embroiderer to have a thread in the needle 130 inches long!
F-P -
Message 10
Posted by Westsussexbird or Birdy aka Westie (U6316532) on Tuesday, 9th November 2010
Pushing open the Village Hall door .... oh good .... here you are .... I forgot it's Tuesday :0))
Thanks for such an encouraging opener Primrose ... just what we need. I'm at day 3 of not allowing myself to eat more than I need. I'm feeling pleased with myself.
I hope everyone has a good week ... forgive me for not responding to each ... I have washing up to do etc etc.
Cheers cyber chums :0) -
Message 11
Posted by GEm (U4356909) on Tuesday, 9th November 2010
I'll add a couple
- plan your food for the week based on your schedule and don't worry if one day you eat less and the other more if it balances over the week
- try and balance your food so you touch all the major food groups during the day and get most of your calories from healthy filling foods like bread, pots, pasta, veg and don't waste to many calories on rubbish like chocolate, wine, sugar etc
- remember that so long as calories in are less than calories out you will lose weight. To lose a pound you need to eat 500 less calories
- eat when you are really hungry and train yourself to recognise that. Have a big glass of water before you eat and see if you are still hungry - if you are then eat, if not then don't. You don't have to eat at meal times - if you aren't hungry it's okay to do something more interesting instead.
- Eat slowly and chew your food properly (I am amazed how quickly some people eat - they must swallow their food almost whole). Put your knife and fork down between mouthfuls and STOP when you are full. If you chew properly and eat slowly you'll probably be full before you have finished your food. I rarely clear my plate these days -
Message 12
Posted by boo decker (U10848648) on Tuesday, 9th November 2010
Hello.
here's my food intake for today.
Breakfast: porridge ana cup of tea (OH makes good tea that I can drink without sugar)
Arrival at school: nice cereal bar ana cuppatea (no sugar... wot is going on?)
Break: cuppatea
Lunch: Lentil soup and a carrot and hummous sarnie
Afternoon: Cuppa tea (too many today but no suagr in any of them!)
Cereal bar while tutoring
Dinner: beef stew and jacket spud
I also had 2 spoons of baked beans while serving the children's tea but I was hungry and it was better than 43 million breadsticks!
No exercise today but still feeling good.
Laura, please call me Rebekah for that is who I am and Birdy I am still happy to be Boo for that is who I am too! I am also Mrs B the Dragon Lady if my class are to be believed.
KOKO one and all. -
Message 13
Posted by Sister Primrose of the Red Tinsel Flag (U5405579) on Tuesday, 9th November 2010
Thanks for the links and rememberances (very impressed that you got 8 geepster OG, especially as I couldn't even get the right year)
Tuesday is not usually a good day, and today was no exception. My bus broke down, so there was no chance to eat before the clinic. The clinic was thronged so there was no chance to nip out to eat. I finally managed my 'lunch' at the computer at 3.30pm before dashing away home to take Boy to foopball. I had a tomato sandwich on brown bread when I got in, took a Kellogs elevenses bar to the foopball with me to keep me going and have just had some tomato and lentil soup plus spanish omelette for my tea. First time since the banananana sandwich I haven't been hungry. It's so not a good way to eat.
Anyhoo, KOKO
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Message 14
Posted by anagramladysin (U14258840) on Wednesday, 10th November 2010
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Message 15
Posted by Westsussexbird or Birdy aka Westie (U6316532) on Wednesday, 10th November 2010
Boo alias Mrs B the Dragon Lady. My DD2 is doing her PGCE training and is doing her first stint in a school at the moment. Feedback from taking one of her first lessons was to try very hard not to smile while telling off a child!!
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Message 16
Posted by maria_sedgegrass (U2267184) on Wednesday, 10th November 2010
Here's the link to the ten tips that I saved on my old computer!
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Message 17
Posted by Auntie Prue (U14585893) on Wednesday, 10th November 2010
This is a different list from the one on the TV prog, and some of the info is a bit offputting - but the point about exercise is worth rembering - ie that you contintue to burn calories for an hour or two after exercising.
So ignore what the calorie reading on the equipment says - because you could end up getting through double the amount. Also - a small amount of regular exercise is more useful for losing weight, than weekly bursts in the gym.
Anything is better than nothing - even knitting! -
Message 18
Posted by Fire-Pig - proud to wave the protest banner (U12231213) on Wednesday, 10th November 2010
Good morning all, a second reasonable night's sleep in a row - also a second day off in a row, aren't I a lucky Fire-Pig? Today I'm off to the bright lights of Llandudno to buy such essentials as slippers and more importantly spend time with OH.
I know where we will have lunch, I will endeavour to choose wisely and to turn my back on the delicious cakes they serve. They do put very tasty macaroons in the saucer with tea or coffee, so I'll enjoy that and not waste money or calories on more.
My walking will be on a different route today, but I hope as satisfying.
Rebekah, if I may be so bold, lovely to read your food diary. You sound more confident already!
Birdy, cultivating the right face to be a teacher takes some time, what age group is your DD working with? I can remember one child, about 12/13, getting indignant that she had the right numerical answer but I hadn't marked it correct. She had made so many errors in her working that they had all cancelled out, I can still see her indignant face as she said "But there are many ways to kill a cat" It was not the response I was expecting at all! I wish I had told her that her cat was still living!
KOKO one and all
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Message 19
Posted by Westsussexbird or Birdy aka Westie (U6316532) on Wednesday, 10th November 2010
Fire Pig ... she is teaching secondary up through A level at the school she is at at the moment.
Yesterday she watched her mentor give a lesson to a year nine class and then the next day she gave the same lesson to another group of year nines. I think that that is a good way to build her confidence. -
Message 20
Posted by LostInML (U13646691) on Wednesday, 10th November 2010
Depending on the age of the pupil, facial expressions can be very confusing, so I understand the comments about not smiling when you are telling someone off. It sends mixed messages! I have had to learn to rein in sarcasm in that respect too, as not all pupils understand it. It's not the best response, anyway, but sometimes I am so frustrated, it creeps out...
Rebekah, I loved your description as 'Dragon Lady' from your class! My family talk about my teacher's 'laser look'...
Going to get my mid-break coffee now and resolutely refuse to have anything else till lunch, on the grounds that I probably need fluids more than food, despite what my mind is saying. -
Message 21
Posted by Westsussexbird or Birdy aka Westie (U6316532) on Wednesday, 10th November 2010
It is so strange to me that DD is finding 'the face' difficult to control as she is capable of felling a tree at 1,000 paces with her 'look'. I should know as she was a fairly tricky child to live with .... I always thought she would make a brilliant barrister/solicitor as she could reason that black was really white with the utmost conviction.
I've told her sarcasm is a NoNo .... I learned that helping in a classroom many years ago. -
Message 22
Posted by LostInML (U13646691) on Wednesday, 10th November 2010
One of the problems with sarcasm is it can be funny... which makes kids laugh... and because they laugh, they then don't always get the 'serious' point behind the sarcasm. Others just take it literally, which again means the point hasn't been made successfully. If sarcasm is the lowest form of wit, I shouldn't be using it anyway...
On the other hand, I have some pupils where nothing seems to make a difference... hope these trainee teachers don't come across /those/ pupils yet! -
Message 23
Posted by Westsussexbird or Birdy aka Westie (U6316532) on Wednesday, 10th November 2010
I used to help out with the tiddlies at the primary school up the road ... I sat in the pretend shop and they would come and buy things from me with pretend money. Also, helping them understand about negative numbers just about did my brain in!!! I'm not a natural teacher.
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Message 24
Posted by Miftrefs Laura in Lothian bufily ftitching (U2587870) on Wednesday, 10th November 2010
Wed, 10 Nov 2010 10:12 GMT, in reply to Fire-Pig in message 18
Good morning all, a second reasonable night's sleep in a row - also a second day off in a row, aren't I a lucky Fire-Pig?Â
Connection? The prospect of two days off meaning you felt less pressured, more able to calm and soothe your mind, thus giving two decent nights' sleep?
Maria, well done for producing a list of usefulness, many thanks!
Primrose, what about a veg-heavy smoothie in a flask? A smoothie made with less-sugary veg juices, brought up to palatable with some fruit, would give you some energy and some fibre and filling-you-up-ness.
Rebekah, your food diary sounds excellent - it sounds to me like you are taking your life into your own two hands! You go, Girl Wonder!!
My brain has now lost everyone else's posts... oh no, sparkleering said even knitting helped - does that mean I can knit my way to health?!
I do know what you mean and had been wondering. I read something aeons ago about fidgeters being less prone to being overweight than non-fidgeters and had been wondering if knitting all day counted as fidgetting!
Head-cold last night and today so a bit woozy and dopey and eating whatever my body says it needs to eat.
KOKO all!
laura -
Message 25
Posted by LostInML (U13646691) on Wednesday, 10th November 2010
Birdy, I'm sure that understanding about negative numbers does my brain in too. I can't tell you how much I loathe numbers and so wish maths weren't actually useful!
The previous conversations about calories just about finished me off from a maths point of view. To lose a pound you need to eat 500 less calories, GEm said. Well, that explains why I'm not losing even a pound, I suppose. I just find it depressing to think like this, even though scientifically and mathematically it's true. I can't bear to have to view food in that light. And I am struggling so much right now. If I want to lose weight, I will have to either eat much less... and right now, I don't know if tt's the cold weather or what, but I am feeling permanently hungry, even after I've eaten!...or exercise much more. A 25 minute walking session on the treadmill at my pace burns 300 kcal. That's not even 1/2 pound, then, is it? I feel like screaming.
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Message 26
Posted by Miftrefs Laura in Lothian bufily ftitching (U2587870) on Wednesday, 10th November 2010
Wed, 10 Nov 2010 10:35 GMT, in reply to LostInML in message 25
Lost,
If it helps, it isn't only about numbers.
Think about cooking. You need to put in some flour and some water to make a bread dough, yes? How much? Well there is a standard amount for a normal loaf, like there is a standard number of calories for a normal adult woman... but that may then vary if you are using wholemeal flour or adding seeds or sun-dried tomatoes, etc... and if the amount of flour alters, then the amount of water may alter but it may not because you may use some olive oil instead.
Also, bread needs yeast, and a touch of salt and sugar, and so on.
So what that adds up to is:
- eat healthy varied meals, drink plenty of water and keep nice and active!
Some people prefer the numbers, some people don't - and that's what MFC is all about, I think. We each bring our experiences and understanding to one place and share ideas and support.
But you don't have to go the numbers route... it isn't compulsory!
laura -
Message 27
Posted by LostInML (U13646691) on Wednesday, 10th November 2010
Thanks, Laura. No, I don't have to go the numbers route. But I have to go the eating less/ exercising more route, one way or another, don't I? That's how I've lost the weight I've already lost and if I want to lose more, that's what I need to keep on doing and I am fed-up today, I really am. Not helped by this being a data entry day. I loathe that job more than any other. It involves numbers too, you see!!
Today, I just want the numbers on the scales to reflect the effort I make and not record the slips I make. I want my body to cooperate and not have its own ideas about how to live. And I desperately want not to want to eat food to console myself. -
Message 28
Posted by Miftrefs Laura in Lothian bufily ftitching (U2587870) on Wednesday, 10th November 2010
Wed, 10 Nov 2010 10:56 GMT, in reply to LostInML in message 27
But I have to go the eating less/ exercising more route, one way or another, don't I?Â
You can ALSO do it by changing what you eat and how you eat and the ways you exercise and so on, though... there is variation in people, and so there has to be variation in methods!
Your body may have adjusted to its lower-calorie, higher-exercise pattern... we do, we adapt, it's why as a species we're so successful but it is also one reason weight-loss tends to plateau and stop happening!!
So... there are other ways to get the losses kick-started again. You mustn't drop below about 1400 calories a day or your body will think there's a famine and start holding onto any fat it can find!
But what about making Saturday a coloured day, for example... only one idea, but it means you think more - and, crucially, differently - about your day's food. Everything you eat must be, for example, yellow.
Scrambled egg for breakfast, perhaps?
Lunch could be "Cullen skink" which is a trad Scots soup made with milk and smoked fish and onion and is delicious. Or smoked haddock with a mustard-y sauce? A small yoghourt with yellow banana swirled into it for pudding?
Supper... corn-fed chicken is very yellow; if you cook potato and swede and mash them together you get a yellow mash!
See what I mean - it's just a new way to force your body to respond differently, by using your brain to respond differently.
so you don't have to keep on with exactly what you've been doing, nor do you have to go hungry - just find ways to wake up your metabolism, to startle it a bit!
Hmmm, I may have to make some cullen skink this weekend...
laura -
Message 29
Posted by LostInML (U13646691) on Wednesday, 10th November 2010
Interesting idea about colours. I've tried to eat in a multi-coloured way recently, as I heard that that meant you got the best out of fruit and veg., for example. So I would eat 4 or 5 different coloured veg (red cabbage, orange carrots, green beans, white cauliflower.)
I know I need to be original again in how I think. But originality takes time, thinking time at the very least, and I feel I lack time.
I need to hibernate. That way I get sleep and don't have to worry about food! -
Message 30
Posted by GEm (U4356909) on Wednesday, 10th November 2010
Lost - you can either eat less or exercise more as you say. The other thing is Laura is right your body gets used to your exercise routine if you don't vary it. One of the ways to use up a lot of calories is to "rev" your metabolism through doing intervals.
I'll give you mine - you just need to adjust it for your pace. Treadmill. Walk at 5.8 km pace for 4 minutes, run for 3 minutes at 11.5km pace, walk at 5.8 for 2 minutes, run for 3 minutes at 11.5km, walk at 5.8 for 2 minutes, run at 11.5 for 4 minutes, 5.8 for 2 minutes, 11.5 for 4 mnutes, 5.8 for 2 minutes 11.5 for 5 mins then I repeat winding down till I am down to the 11.5s for 2 minutes again then finish with a 4 minute walk.
So you could either do a very slow jog or do a power walk for my running bit. Or you could do something similar on the rowing machine or bike. Vary that with your normal routine and you'll find your body burning cals faster (I don't understand the science but it works) . No idea how you do this with your swimming mind you - I don't swim so can't help.
Try making sure you drink a lot, believe it or not drinking more water helps with fluid retention which might be your problem (are your ankles or knees a bit puffy?). Make good food choices and try and train yourself to see healthy stuff as a treat. i am lucky in that I don't actually like chocolate or most sweet stuff but i love cheese. I just build a little of strong flavoured stuff into my diet and enjoy it when I have it.
Sorry if my 500 cals put you off. It's really not that many - and the machines in the gym are all calibrated for a 10 and a half stone woman so if you are more than that you are using more cals than it says!
G -
Message 31
Posted by Auntie Prue (U14585893) on Wednesday, 10th November 2010
Weight loss is still a complete mystery to me too.
There is definitely more to it than calories, and you can have feeling fat days, and get a pleasant surprise when you step on the scales.
Similarly, you can have been Oh So Good for a week, and find you have gained!
That's why the KOKO is a good think to have in the back of ones head.
If, like me, you have times of the day when you are hungrier than others - I would justgo with it.
Despite all that is said about hearty breakfasts - it is just not a hungry time for me, but I am ravenous for a big meal in the evening. So I have just a small bowl of porridge, or one slice of toast for breakfast, and that keeps me happy until lunch time.
I try to have a decent, but smallish lunch, to keep me going until the evening - and then I have most of my daily calories. We eat fairly early in the evening, but that's it for the day.
I try not to snack - but if I am hungry I do have a snack.
It's what suits me.
I also try to alternate alcohol days with non-alcohol days - but often slip up on this one : ) -
Message 32
Posted by LostInML (U13646691) on Wednesday, 10th November 2010
My routine sounds like yours, Sparkleering, in terms of breakfast, lunch, dinner... Generally, I cope with that.
Don't drink alcohol much at all, so don't have to factor that in. I suppose that's a plus.
I'm off to the gym this afternoon, so will try and think about GEm's routine there. Didn't realise the machines were calibrated that way. Will try not to think about that as that involves maths again, and I've had enough of maths today.
The spreadsheet for data entry isn't working properly (doubtless my fault), so I feel like throwing it in the bin. About to have an early lunch so I can start on a new batch of work feeling calmer. Then I will go to the gym and try to take my aggression towards the spreadsheet out in exercise! -
Message 33
Posted by Westsussexbird or Birdy aka Westie (U6316532) on Wednesday, 10th November 2010
This thread is worth our collective weight in gold, it really is.
Lost, don't lose heart. We're all in this soup together (Primrose's opener advice!) so you aren't alone in wishing we could all eat exactly what and how much our eyes tell us we want, but we care enough about ourselves to know that that is really the way to long term medical problems, not least, for me, the way to not fit into the clothes I bought last year!
KOKO dear cyber chums :0)) -
Message 34
Posted by Miftrefs Laura in Lothian bufily ftitching (U2587870) on Wednesday, 10th November 2010
Wed, 10 Nov 2010 12:18 GMT, in reply to westsussexBirdy in message 33
This thread is worth our collective weight in gold, it really is.Â
You mean it's worth a good bit less than it was at the start of the year?! Oh dear...
No breakfast today as I slept late.
Lunch - two large slices of bread, toasted, with very good pork pate; large helping of coleslaw with extra onion added. I'm not arguing with my body when it has a head-cold...
Supper - not planned yet, but it depends on whether my temperature goes back up like it did yesterday evening, in which case it will be my default cold-food which is a soured-cream-and-onion dip with salt-and-vinegar crisps, along with armfuls of oranges. Again, one of those very very very strong cravings I don't argue with. If my temp stays down-ish, then I may make a sausage stew with plenty of onion and garlic and black pepper.
KOKO all
laura (aaaaatchoo!) -
Message 35
Posted by Westsussexbird or Birdy aka Westie (U6316532) on Wednesday, 10th November 2010
Well I weigh at /least/ half a stone heavier than at the start of the year .... so :0(
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Message 36
Posted by puzzler76 (U3733897) on Wednesday, 10th November 2010
Laura, I've got a rotten cold too and I feel rubbish, but I'm trying to limit my cravings a bit so that I don't undo the good work that resulted in my 1.5lb loss this week.
KOKO everyone. -
Message 37
Posted by geepers (U6804393) on Wednesday, 10th November 2010
Sorry if this is now v old - it was reproduced in the local paper here at the weekend (am on a break with friends in Cape Town) and I thought it was quite interesting.
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Message 38
Posted by Auntie Prue (U14585893) on Wednesday, 10th November 2010
Yes, much food for thought geepers.
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Message 39
Posted by Fire-Pig - proud to wave the protest banner (U12231213) on Wednesday, 10th November 2010
Oh Lost, numbers are lovely friendly things, and the poor negative numbers get such a bad press and it really isn't their fault! For a long time I have thought that Maths is one of the subjects where the quality of the teacher really makes a difference. In too many cases it is taught by people who don't love the subject.
Laura, I've tried reorganising my office over the winter and only working three days a week - Monday, Friday and Saturday. This is the first week of the new regime, it does depend on some co-operation from others, Boss is all for it, as he really wants me to get better. If all has gone well this week, this will be the pattern until the end of December after that I will have to work Thursdays as well until the Easter school holidays (except for half term week) when the season will kick off again. If tourists want to see Snowdonia at its best, they should come on cold and crisp days like today - the low slanting light and the snow on the tops with still some colour on the trees, it was fantastic.
Geepers, that article seems to be advocating a low carbohydrate diet of real food, without too much fruit. I think it is what many of us strive for, with greater or lesser degrees of success!
A successful trip to Llandudno. We achieved everything on our lists and walked on the wonderful Victorian Prom. We had lunch in our favourite place, pea & ham soup and a sandwich, followed by coffee.
KOKO one and all
F-P -
Message 40
Posted by Westsussexbird or Birdy aka Westie (U6316532) on Thursday, 11th November 2010
Glad you had a successful outing Fire Pig :0)
I hope everyone else is doing well ... I'm still on track getting back into eating sensibly and will make further adjustments in a few days time.
KOKO :0)) -
Message 41
Posted by boo decker (U10848648) on Thursday, 11th November 2010
Evening all,
I just wanted to ramble and muse. Yesterday I had soup and a sarnie for lunch and was starving by 3.15pm. Today I had a sarnie and followed it with a small yoghurt. I felt full all afternoon and didn't feel hungry until I got home.
I wonder if it was because it was yoghurt or is it a sign that my giving up on sugar is helping with my reduction in appetite?
Merely musing.
Am still making good choices and still feel good.
KOKO
Rebekah -
Message 42
Posted by Fire-Pig - proud to wave the protest banner (U12231213) on Thursday, 11th November 2010
Rebekah, I think there are hungry days and feeling full days! You will have to have more days before you can say it was the yogurt wot did it!
I am sitting here with a gale blowing around the house, I've just returned from a meeting fighting the car to keep it on the road. I will have a bruise on my cheek in the morning from being 'attacked' by the press studs on my anorak collar as I crossed the road. It is good to live in a solidly built stone house!
Today I have worn my belt on a new tighter hole, and it feels right!
KOKO one and all
F-P -
Message 43
Posted by Westsussexbird or Birdy aka Westie (U6316532) on Thursday, 11th November 2010
Glad you didn't blow away Fire Pig :0)
Boo, I don't think bread necessarily leaves you feeling very satisfied .... certainly not white bread.
Our 0.1 per cent fat yoghurt had sold out the other week and I succumbed and bought some greek style 'be good to yourself' (!) yoghurt instead and it was sooooo nice with stewed fruit and muesli that we have been buying it for a few weeks. We reverted back today when we read the label! The low fat one has a bit more sugar in it, but of course everything else is better.
How I wish we could eat just what we want. -
Message 44
Posted by LostInML (U13646691) on Friday, 12th November 2010
/How I wish we could eat just what we want./
Me too, Birdy. But we can't.
This week I've lost the 2lbs I gained last week. No idea how. This must be natural flucuation, as I've done nothing different in any other respect. In fact, I was fed-up yesterday as I didn't get swimming because my bus didn't turn up. By the time I got to work, I was absolutely freezing: we had wind and rain lashing down yesterday morning; it was thoroughly miserable. I arrived at work in a foul mood and it took a long time before I felt more civilised. Then I had to take charge of exams for most of the day. I suppose that helped to calm me down... oh, the lovely silence of an exam room...!
Out tonight, so schooling myself to make wise choices all day. Had porridge for breakfast to keep me feeling full. Have soup planned for lunch. Sensible choices. Sensible choices.
I was interested in your comments about the yoghurt, Birdy. I too like the Greek style one but try not to buy it very often because of the fat content. But I hadn't realised the low fat one had more sugar in it. Sigh. Yet more dilemmas to face. I don't eat yoghut all that often, but I do like it with fruit at times as an alternative to cream... It seems that no matter what the changes we make, they're never enough!! -
Message 45
Posted by GEm (U4356909) on Friday, 12th November 2010
hi I use Total 0% fat Greek Yoghurt. It is very tart and looking at the ingredients doesn't have that much sugar in it. It's wonderful for cooking with as well as it doesn't separate out like most low fat yoghurt.
I eat what I want but I make sure that anything that is high in calories is paid for with a good long run (or 4), lifting some weights and is usually a very very small portion. If its just the taste if you eat it slowly you get as much enjoyment out of a spoon or two as you do out of a bowlfull... and you don't get that horrible bloated feeling afterwards
G -
Message 46
Posted by Westsussexbird or Birdy aka Westie (U6316532) on Friday, 12th November 2010
We have yoghurt every day with stewed fruit and a little muesli on top and also OH and I share a banana and apple chopped up with yoghurt and a dribble of honey on top. That takes care of our two meals each day. Lunch is soup or salad and cheese/roll though I've cut out the cheese and roll at the moment and have ryvitta and marmite with my soup.
We've had more meat than usual lately due to visitors (I find a roast very easy to do) and I've felt distinctly sluggish as a result. -
Message 47
Posted by Miftrefs Laura in Lothian bufily ftitching (U2587870) on Friday, 12th November 2010
Fri, 12 Nov 2010 08:08 GMT, in reply to westsussexBirdy in message 46
Can I put forward here my dolls' tea set idea? Last year I was eating vast bowls of ice-cream with all the trimmmings and I worked out one in a little Victorian teacup which I ate with a small-size teaspoon, and it came in at about 100 calories - and I enjoyed it as much as I had the great big bowlful...
Also, I remember reading a study that showed that teenage girls trying to lose weight who ate full-fat dairy at breakfast (milk or yoghourt) actually ate fewer calories during the entire day - possibly because the body needs a certain intake of fat and the dairy provided that, meaning less yearning towards other fatty foods throughout the day. So possibly a /small/ amount of yoghourt really will make you fuller... like f-p says, experiment a bit longer, Rebekah!
laura -
Message 48
Posted by Fire-Pig - proud to wave the protest banner (U12231213) on Friday, 12th November 2010
I'm with GEm on this, a fan of Total 0% Greek Yogurt. I use that when I can.
Life was so much easier when we were children and there weren't all these choices to make, just trees to climb (in my case!). May we make our way through the modern jungle each of us finding our own way to the promised land beyond. Let today be a day when there are more good choices and fewer bad ones for as many of us as possible.
OOh - err missus, it is time I came down from that tree and went to work!
KOKO one and all
F-P -
Message 49
Posted by anagramladysin (U14258840) on Friday, 12th November 2010
To add another thought here - it is really easy to make your own yoghurt and then you know exactly what's in it. No nasty surprises with sugar or gum to stabilize it.
This is easiest with an Aga or Rayburn but a nice warm airing cupboard will do; or buy an insulated flask or wide-necked vacuum. A big coffee jar will do fine, or any nice earthenware pot of about the right size.
Buy a plastic bottle of dried skimmed milk - it used to be called 'Five Pints' but anything will do. In Africa it was called 'Nido'. Buy a small pot of plain LIVE yoghurt in the style you prefer (I like Yeo Valley Greek-style).
Make up the milk to twice the concentration, at least ... I used to use half a bottle of the Five Pints to make about 1.5 pints of yoghurt. Bring just to a boil then allow to cool, till you can hold your hand against the side of the pan.
Add a tablespoon of the yoghurt and stir.
Then pour into your chosen pot and take it to a warmish place. Maybe wrap a teatowel round it. Then LEAVE IT ALONE for eight hours or so. I really mean that. Don't move it!!!
Check. It should be set.
Chill. Eat (yum yum). Leave a tablespoonful for the next batch, and you can go on for years.
You can even freeze the tablespoonful of starter for a while and it should still work.
Of course you can use fresh milk but it's more temperamental and breaks down when you start to put a spoon into it - plus it doesn't stay fresh for as long.
xx ana -
Message 50
Posted by Westsussexbird or Birdy aka Westie (U6316532) on Friday, 12th November 2010
I used to do that Ana ....
Some time ago I bought myself a small pottery bowl... it has green leaves and a picture of an apple inside the bowl ... written around the rim is "You are the apple of my eye" and I love the bowl and I'm only allowed to eat healthy food in it ...
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