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  • Message 1. 

    Posted by aliencorrie (U7290756) on Wednesday, 1st December 2010



    May I start the new thread?

    Welcome dog lovers and owners!

    I still hope that the regulars who left us can cope with the latest modifications on this here boards and return!

    I for one miss the lively reports and sound advice of those who are gone.

    How are your dogs coping with the winter weather?
    Here it is -10°C and a tiny bit of snow and Maniche just loves it.

    By Maniche's behaviour when walking him I have got the impression that the smells are more intensive in the cold, can that be true?

    Looking forward to your comments, reports and photos.


    ac and Maniche, who was 6 months last Sunday.


    PS
    Here is the link to the old thread:

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    Posted by posh_scouse_pinnedwithpride (U2514024) on Wednesday, 1st December 2010

    Took Pads out last night [OOOOooooOOOO, Snerr]

    and, just as we hit the road a nieghbour shouted, 'Hello pads' and orf he bounced.

    Well, if you keep your legs straight and brace your knees you can get a marvelous sleigh ride out of a Plummer. It's stopping that's the hard bit.

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    Posted by fairy hedgehog (U1485678) on Wednesday, 1st December 2010

    > smells are more intensive in the cold <

    That's what some other dog owners in my village reckon.

    We are currently overdosing on snow. Six inches is OK, two to three feet is too much. We've spent most of the morning clearing the driveway (my dogs help by lying on the patch of snow I'm trying to clear). A tree came down, too, blocking access to our garage and our neighbour's gates. Fortunately said neighbour has a chainsaw so access is now clear.

    My dogs were covered in bobbles of snow. I am knackered. We haven't even had a proper walk yet.

    fh

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    Posted by aliencorrie (U7290756) on Wednesday, 1st December 2010



    We haven't even had a proper walk yet. 


    Well yes, but all your described activities are ample substitute for a walk?

    winky smiley whatsit.


    ac

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  • Message 5

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    Posted by fairy hedgehog (U1485678) on Wednesday, 1st December 2010

    > ample substitute <

    For exercise, yes, but I think my boys were too excited to think about weeing and pooing.

    Never mind, we'll have a walk in an hour or so. One good thing about snow is that you can always spot poo. Sometimes it gets very difficult to find the poo in amongst all the brown leaves on the ground.

    I thought I'd get a mention of poo on the first page. It's practically traditional.

    fh

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    Posted by Doodlysquat (U13738858) on Wednesday, 1st December 2010

    12.50 and Nellie is still in bed. As far as she is concerned, cold weather is the ideal excuse (not that she needs one) to stay in bed all day, or at least 'til her bladder can stretch no more.

    It's not as if we even have any snow. If we did I doubt that she would ever arise from her pit.

    suze

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  • Message 7

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    Posted by What larks (U14260755) on Wednesday, 1st December 2010

    I wish my dog understood the lying in bed bit. He doesn't need a walk to wee, poo or anything else and has a fair size garden, but feels deprived if he doesn't get his twice daily outing.

    The roads are too bad to drive, so it ia walk s down to the small local park.

    The trouble is that Dog pulls (yup, I've tried all those thanks) so I'll end up doing a Posh if I'm not careful. Perhaps I should invest in a toboggan, and attach it to a harness?

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    Posted by Doodlysquat (U13738858) on Wednesday, 1st December 2010

    A toboggan sounds like a good idea Skylark. Alas, Nellie would feel terribly insulted if I were to suggest that she do something useful.
    She went for her afternoon constitutional with OH earlier but as soon as they returned she jumped back onto the bed and there she has remained.

    suze

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  • Message 9

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    Posted by dondy (U3463640) on Wednesday, 1st December 2010

    The trouble is that Dog pulls (yup, I've tried all those thanks)  

    Bet you haven't tried scary Victoria off "It's Me Or the Dog". She just puts one of those nose harnesses on even the most unruly dog and it walks like a lamb (wonder how long it takes in RL to get to that stage ? Always seems to take just a few seconds on the programme... ) (NB irony alert, irony alert)

    Introduced OH to this programme today as he has unscheduled hols owing to cancelled conference. He reckons he learnt something, i.e. if you cuddle your dog too much it thinks it is the pack leader ?!?

    They also showed Canicross today, and I though of Campbell and others.

    dondy

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  • Message 10

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    Posted by margo44 (U8427522) on Thursday, 2nd December 2010

    how do I console my ddil her springer spaniel who would have been 6 on christmas day has had to be put down today as when he was operated on they found his liver was riddled with cancer.He was a gentle, happy and loving dog.Until saturday he didn't seem to have a problem and it is such a shock .

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  • Message 11

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    Posted by fairy hedgehog (U1485678) on Thursday, 2nd December 2010

    > He was a gentle, happy and loving dog <

    What at terrible shame for such a young dog. I'm not sure you can do anything much other than offer a hankie and a shoulder to cry on.

    It is so upsetting to lose a cherished dog.

    fh

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  • Message 12

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    Posted by dondy (U3463640) on Thursday, 2nd December 2010

    Margo44

    What sad news and a terrible shock for you all.

    FH is right - provide a shoulder to cry on if needed. It sounds as if you know how sad the loss of a pet is, whatever the circumstances.

    dondy

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  • Message 13

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    Posted by margo44 (U8427522) on Thursday, 2nd December 2010

    thankyou for your replies I think the shock is worse because my old dog who is 15 1/2 years old has been ill since last june and is still keeping going with the help of medication and charlie seemed to sense how ill my old fellow is and was always very gentle when greeting him.the whole family is aware that we wont have benjie with us for much longer and so charlies death has really hit us

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  • Message 14

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    Posted by mistresslucy (U9471573) on Thursday, 2nd December 2010

    Margo,how terrible for you all.
    Many sympathies and hugs form me and Jasper and Bramble (both Springers)
    Lucy x

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    Posted by Dabchick (U14374409) on Friday, 3rd December 2010

    So sorry to read this. What a blow. My mini-schnauzer Tavy is only 4 and should live to at least 16 but I can get tearful already, thinking that one day I'll lose her - terrible to have a life cut short like that.

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  • Message 16

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    Posted by Lilo (U12007400) on Friday, 3rd December 2010

    margo
    Really sorry to hear of the loss. I can really sympathise, but think how much suffering she was saved. It doesn't help I know. Platitudes.

    Just popping in here to say I haven't left because of the board changes, but I've been without internet connection all week. This had made me realise I want to stay off messageboards for a while. However, thank you so much to everyone (here and elsewhere) who helped me settling Murphy into our lives. He's brought such joy into our lives, and there was me thinking I'd never have another dog after Zeddy.

    Stay safe and warm and don't let the iceballs jangle.

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  • Message 17

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    Posted by Lilo (U12007400) on Friday, 3rd December 2010

    Apologies margo. I meant "he"

    As a last little story, this morning saw me and Murph in Little Park. A large young German Shepherd was racing round, and latched on to him. A few squeaks and yaps ensued because wee Murph was getting trampled on, but he soon had the pup under control and they were both diving into snow drifts like little children.

    If he had his way he'd still be out there.


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  • Message 18

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    Posted by aliencorrie (U7290756) on Friday, 3rd December 2010

    If he had his way he'd still be out there.  

    So would Maniche.

    He is mad about the snow.

    And so happy that he is allowed to dig without getting stopped.

    ac



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  • Message 19

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    Posted by Hazel Wooley (U2338026) on Saturday, 4th December 2010

    A friend sent me this clip with Jimmy Stewart and his poem about his dog named Beau and it made me sniff.

    Thought some here might like it.

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  • Message 20

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    Posted by What larks (U14260755) on Saturday, 4th December 2010

    Just catching up on this thread!

    dondyb - "Bet you haven't tried scary Victoria off "It's Me Or the Dog". She just puts one of those nose harnesses on even the most unruly dog and it walks like a lamb (wonder how long it takes in RL to get to that stage ? Always seems to take just a few seconds on the programme... ) (NB irony alert, irony alert)"

    we have two kinds of head harness but have had problems with both, even the one recommended and fitted by our trainer! They worked like a treat for about two days, then the dog started fighting them. Because of the shape of his snout, they ride up into his eyes and despite that he still pulls, worse than ever because he is struggling to get them off. A body harness doesn't work either. Neither does the turning round and going a different way thing, or water pistols, or being taken home in despair. A long expanding lead is the best thing - for some reason he doesn't pull on it so much.

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  • Message 21

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    Posted by What larks (U14260755) on Saturday, 4th December 2010

    margo, I am so sorry to hear about charlie, who died much too young. Your poor ddil.

    You can blame Hazel for any typos. Her clip has made me go all weepy.

    But loved Lilo's story of her little chap and the big puppy romping in the snow.

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  • Message 22

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    Posted by Dapply (U2437462) on Saturday, 4th December 2010

    Margo

    Just coming back in to say how sorry I was to hear about Charlie. Nearly 6 is too young an age to say goodbye.

    Our Seren was only 6 1/2 when she passed away in the summer. It is just too cruel. You always expect a doggie to continue in a long and happy healthy life.

    My thoughts are with you and you DiL. Hugzzzzzzzzz.



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  • Message 23

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    Posted by posh_scouse_pinnedwithpride (U2514024) on Saturday, 4th December 2010

    Oh, poor dil, Charlie sounded wonderful, and how sad to have a dog shaped hole at Christmas.

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  • Message 24

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    Posted by margo44 (U8427522) on Saturday, 4th December 2010

    ddil came over this morning she's still distraught feeling guilty that she hadn't realised he was so ill although he was taken to the vet the minute he was ill and went back at leasr 4 times before they operated on him.I am just giving her all the comfort I can and to make things worse it was her birthday the day he died.

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  • Message 25

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    Posted by aliencorrie (U7290756) on Saturday, 4th December 2010

    margo,

    how absolutely devastating for your daughter in law.

    My sincere commiserations.

    We all know that our beloved pets are likely to die way before ourselves

    I for one prefer not to contemplate that thought.


    With all this snow dog school was near impossible today. i.e. Maniche chose to snoop around like mad...

    ac




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  • Message 26

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    Posted by Bette (U2222559) on Saturday, 4th December 2010

    I'm so sorry for you and ddil, Margo. I can imagine how devasting such an unexpected death can be. I hope that, with time, ddil will be able to acknowledge that she did everything possible.

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  • Message 27

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    Posted by Campbell in Farewell Clogs (U14226916) on Sunday, 5th December 2010

    >>>We all know that our beloved pets are likely to die way before ourselves

    I for one prefer not to contemplate that thought.<<<
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    Well actually it's worse to contemplate it happening the other way round. You dying first and leaving the dog to fend for itself. Pets aren't just 'likely' but 'very very probably, barring disasters' to die before we do. That is as it should be. Their lifespans are naturally shorter. Of course we miss them when they go but there's nothing tragic or surprising about their deaths. Of course it's preferable that they have a long and happy life first and it's always sad when young and apparantly healthy dogs die (especially because you then miss the lovely old grey muzzled phase of their lives, which I, for one, find particularly appealing). But, if we're lucky, we'll have to say goodbye to a number of wonderful dogs during our lifetimes. I have extremely fond memories of the 3 times I've had a big trusting head in my lap while the vet gave the final injection. It's a good and peaceful death and I'm glad I was able to be there and be strong and calming for all 3 dogs till the end. (I fell apart and howled as soon as the deed was done, but that too is as it should be, and my vet has an excellent tea and sympathy programme in place...) My sympathies go out to anyone missing a much loved dog but let's not bury our heads in the sand and pretend our puppies are going to live for ever. A good dog owner makes sure his dog has as good a life as possible, and that it ends in as good a death as possible. Deciding when this moment should come is often an important part of being pack leader.

    Anyway, let me finish today's lecture with a quote I came across in a book last night which I found vaguely truthful/amusing: "she was the ideal dog owner, placid, regular, uncommunicative".

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  • Message 28

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    Posted by aliencorrie (U7290756) on Sunday, 5th December 2010

    Well actually it's worse to contemplate it happening the other way round. You dying first and leaving the dog to fend for itself.  

    Well , yes.

    I know that it is inevitable but I still don't want to imagine how my lovely puppy will die,

    When my mother died none of her 6 children was able to take on Bella, a then seven year old mongrel. ( The usual reasons: living in a rented house, no pets allowed, cats/ dogs in the household who were incompatible etc.)

    Luckily we found a family who knew Bella (from meeting my mother walking her) and took her on as a second dog to be a companion for their disabled younger son.

    ac

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  • Message 29

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    Posted by SETTERY (U14467882) on Monday, 6th December 2010

    Hello.

    I wondered if I could join you ?

    I have six glorious English Setters, all bred by myself - Fleet and Flash now aged 11 and a half from my first litter out of the late and lovely Poppy. Then Sapphire and Delyth - half sisters - born of the late and monstrous Thalice - who was both a nightmare and the most wondrous character you have ever met.

    We also have Delyths daughter - Rhian (a delight) andf Rhian's son - Othello - even more delightful.

    Aware that the dogs might be left on our demise - I have it written into our wills that a friend in conjunction with English Setter Rescue will be responsible for the rehoming of our dogs and I will likewise be responsible for the rehoming of my friends dogs.

    Some of the puppies I have sold have a similar clause in their owners wills - that the puppies will be returned to me and I will be responsible for rehoming them,

    I think it is wise to make these arrangements in consulatation with the person - obviously !!

    Settery

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  • Message 30

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    Posted by Hazel Wooley (U2338026) on Tuesday, 7th December 2010

    Hello Settery - lovely, elegant dogs, Setters. Lucky you.

    So, further to the upthread discussion about older dogs, I read this very sweet article today and I thought some here might like to read thoughts in praise of older dogs.

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  • Message 31

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    Posted by What larks (U14260755) on Tuesday, 7th December 2010

    Came across this in a newletter this week, and it made me smile. I've just found it on an old Ö÷²¥´óÐã page so can tell you the author is Murray Lachlan Young,



    Old Mr Milligan walking down the lane
    Slipped on the mess of his own Great Dane.
    Now he's in a bath chair looking rather sad,
    Never would have happened if he'd put it in a bag.
    Guide dog, gum dog, guard dog, stray.
    Put it in the bag man, squirril it away.
    Put it in your hat man, it'll keep you warm.
    Keep it in your pocket on a frost bit morn.
    Poor Mrs Harrison, slipped when she tripped,
    off on the prom with her poodle toodle pip.
    Didn't see dog mess, slipped off the quay,
    Caught by a rip tide, swept out to sea.
    Wolf Hound, blood hound, Pug, Pekingese,
    Put it in the bag man, don't be a tease.
    Inside, out, give a good, firm grab.
    Put it in the bag man, put it in the bag.

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  • Message 32

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    Posted by aliencorrie (U7290756) on Tuesday, 7th December 2010

    Lol, skylark, I enjoyed that.

    But I couldn't bring myself to

    "Put it in your hat man, it'll keep you warm.
    Keep it in your pocket on a frost bit morn. "

    In order not to carry it around all of the way I 'park' the little bag beside a bush or some such and pick it up on our way home.

    ac




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  • Message 33

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    Posted by fairy hedgehog (U1485678) on Tuesday, 7th December 2010

    > Put it in the bag man, put it in the bag <

    I like the poem. I was walking through part of our village the other day and as I stopped to pop my poo bags into the bin, the woman who lives in the nearest house to the bin yelled 'thank you' to me and said how she hates it when poo is left around on the ground.

    I was a bit nonplussed. It's a bit like being thanked for not smoking in a taxi or something. I don't like treading in poo either.

    Nice to see an English Setter fan in the thread. There are two old girls in our village and they are gorgeous. Getting a bit old and slow, but I love their faces.

    fh

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  • Message 34

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    Posted by What larks (U14260755) on Tuesday, 7th December 2010

    Of course, no-one in Mustardland would dream of leaving their poo...but I loved the idea of putting the bag in your hat to keep warm.


    Or not.

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  • Message 35

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    Posted by Campbell in Farewell Clogs (U14226916) on Tuesday, 7th December 2010

    Nice to see the setters lolloping in. Lovely animals, and the English ones are usually a bit less bonkers than the Irish version (oh dear, this sounds a bit racist but surely we all know at least one disaster of an Irish Setter story?)

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  • Message 36

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    Posted by aliencorrie (U7290756) on Thursday, 9th December 2010

    Oh, I so regret not having had a camera today.

    I spent more than two hours shovelling snow i.e.clearing drive, path and road and Maniche played very happily in and with the snow and the broom and the shovel....

    Anyway when we finally went in his legs were covered with clotted snowballs, the biggest of which was the size of a ping pong ball.

    He lay down on his towel and started to nibble the snow balls. But then he was so tired that he fell asleep. Once the snow had thawed a bit I rubbed his legs which he accepted without struggling.

    ac

    I think I might reconsider visiting the groomer and have his coat cut to 1 inch.

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  • Message 37

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    Posted by chicken_hot_pot (U8480346) on Thursday, 9th December 2010

    Pant pant, I'm coming in rather late this month.

    I'm getting used to the new regime here and I'm not sure I like it, but my humans don't seem to be giving in.

    I am beginning to get fed up of going under the table when they have a meal and am sneaking out bit by bit. But he or she tells me to go back and stay there. So I do.

    Now, I know that most of you humans would rather I didn't get any foodie treat, but I do seem to be getting less and it's put into my bowl when they've finished their meal.

    It's not easy but I *think* I'm getting used to it.......... I am getting lots of praise and extra love which is the good part.

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  • Message 38

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    Posted by dondy (U3463640) on Friday, 10th December 2010

    Well done, b-dog (I think that's right), and well done chp and Mr chp.

    The consistency bit is hard, isn't it ? Am having this with Lily climbing onto the back of the sofas to look out of the window... "get down Lily", "get down Lily", on and on and on...

    dondy

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  • Message 39

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    Posted by Campbell in Farewell Clogs (U14226916) on Friday, 10th December 2010

    I'm picking up Joep the Great Dane tonight. Got to give him back on Sunday though but we'll get a couple of good long runs in together over the weekend. Sil the black and hairy Groenendaler/Friese Stabij cross is booked for the Christmas to New Year slot.

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  • Message 40

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    Posted by chicken_hot_pot (U8480346) on Friday, 10th December 2010

    Hello dondy,
    Well done, b-dog (I think that's right), and well done chp and Mr chp.
    The consistency bit is hard, isn't it ? Am having this with Lily climbing onto the back of the sofas to look out of the window... "get down Lily", "get down Lily", on and on and on... 

    Yes I'm "Bauble" B-dog. (Or so she says, but just for Christmas).
    Telling me, meals consist of "in your corner" or "under the table" every so often - it's not the most interesting of conversations sadly!

    Though there are times when she goes on her own without being told, so things are improving. What I find the hardest is that look she gives us when she realises that what's in her bowl is all she's going to get.

    But, it has made eating a meal more relaxing for both of us which is our goal. It's now also a question of just keeping it up, otherwise we'll be back
    where we started. And, I *don't* want to go there.

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  • Message 41

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    Posted by What larks (U14260755) on Friday, 10th December 2010

    chicken_hot_pot with some holly on the top:


    I'm a bit bemused here. Your owners after dinner put what is on their plates into your dog bowl?

    Surely the whole point is that you can do the washing up? After our chap has finished with the plates, there is no real need for the dishwasher!

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  • Message 42

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    Posted by chicken_hot_pot (U8480346) on Friday, 10th December 2010

    Hi skylark (reply to message 41)
    I'm a bit bemused here. Your owners after dinner put what is on their plates into your dog bowl?

    Surely the whole point is that you can do the washing up? 

    Well woof that's what I always thought, but mum doesn't quite feel the same way. I tend to leave dog slobber all over them, which she doesn't like. She doesn't normally dislike dog slobber either.

    Plus it seems to be part of the training to stop me begging, slobbering (she's there again), drooling [cheating mum it's the same thing] and generally being a pain at meal times. I also have a neat trick of being able to rest my chin on the table and look at mum or dad with my big brown sad eyes.

    The snag seems to be that all these ways to make them give something to eat at the table has turned on me. They're fed up with my table manners at home. (I'm always excellent when out). So it's a new regime, my treats are in my bowl.

    It's a tough life being a dog.

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  • Message 43

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    Posted by What larks (U14260755) on Monday, 13th December 2010

    It was our dog club's Christmas party at the weekend. Everyone got put into a team and we did lots of relay races, most against the clock.

    The best race was a simple recall. You left your dog in stay (or with somene to hold him) while you went to the other end of the course, and called him. Just too easy? Well, the trainers placed dishes of sausages all along the track, and the team that won was the one with the most sausage pieces left.

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  • Message 44

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    Posted by Campbell in Farewell Clogs (U14226916) on Monday, 13th December 2010

    What a brilliant idea skylark!
    I bet the team with the most labs came last smiley - winkeye
    And I love the idea of a dogclub Christmas party. I have a sudden urge to hang a tinsel necklace round Joep's neck...

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  • Message 45

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    Posted by Campbell in Farewell Clogs (U14226916) on Monday, 13th December 2010

    Oh, forgot to say, I've got Joep till at least Wednesday now. His pilot owner phoned from Dubai to say that he had to stand in for a sick colleague and go to HongKong. I do sometimes wonder why a long-haul pilot thinks he has a suitable lifestyle to be a dog owner but ach, he is often home for longer periods too.

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  • Message 46

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    Posted by What larks (U14260755) on Tuesday, 14th December 2010

    I bet the team with the most labs came last  

    You would have thought so, wouldn't you?

    We had two labradors in our team, and neither of them touched the sausages - both "mummy's boys" keen to return to their owners. We were let down by a bull terrier. One of the worst culprits was a dog belonging to the trainer, who scoffed the lot, to the mortification of his young handler.

    The pilot is fortunate to have you; I dare say he wouldn't be able to keep a dog at all if it wasn't for you. We have a lovely dog sitter in our town; it is such a comfort to know she is there.

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  • Message 47

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    Posted by Campbell in Farewell Clogs (U14226916) on Tuesday, 14th December 2010

    Ha, physician heal thyself scenario? Thanks for telling us about the sausage christmas game skylark - it makes me smile every time I think about it.
    Last night Joep and I watched Call of the Wild...

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  • Message 48

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    Posted by chicken_hot_pot (U8480346) on Tuesday, 14th December 2010

    Oh hee hee a sausage race, or near enough. B-dog would most definitely come last in something like that. She just *wouldn't* get past even one without eating it!

    It sounds as though it was good fun.

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  • Message 49

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    Posted by margo44 (U8427522) on Wednesday, 15th December 2010

    I only seem to write in this thread with bad news but my dear dog benjie died on monday evening he was 15 1/2 years old and he had been ill for some time.This has been an awful 10 days as dil dog died on the 2nd.I so wish I had come to this thread years ago as I could have wriiten of all the mischief benjie had got up to when he was youngerand in fact until he was ill.I can't write anymore as I am getting upset will post again when I feel better

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  • Message 50

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    Posted by Marmalade Drizzle (U2239190) on Wednesday, 15th December 2010

    Oh Margo, I'm so sorry.

    It's a great big pile of pants to lose your best pal.

    Poor benjie, poor you.

    {{{hugs}}}

    Marms

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