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Message 1.Â
Posted by puzzler76 (U3733897) on Tuesday, 7th December 2010
Welcome to this week's meeting of like-minded folk looking to eat more healthily, be it for weight loss, medical reasons, weight maintenance, whatever. Your motivation may be anything from preparing for a marathon (a couple of us are...) to fitting into your favourite seasonal outfit in a few weeks time. Whatever your reasons, you're welcome here to share your joys and woes. There will always be someone around to cheer you up, offer helpful suggestions or congratulate you as required!
Our only rule is that we don't disclose RL weights/sizes. We're all different and we don't want anyone feeling that their achievement is any less impressive than anyone else's.
To help us on our journey we have Katy's cookbook:
GEm's gym:
and the rota thread where you can sign up to open a new thread for us on a Monday night or Tuesday morning:
Our motto is Keep On Keeping On, so KOKO everyone, have a good week. -
Message 2
Posted by puzzler76 (U3733897) on Tuesday, 7th December 2010
Apologies for the cut'n'paste from a couple of weeks ago but I thought it would be better than nothing!
I'm quarter of a pound up from last week which I'm VERY pleased with, considering the weekend I had! Clearly the hard work I did before the weekend and being good yesterday helped, so damage limitation is possible even with such indulgences as cooked breakfasts, three course meals, wedding cake and white russians!
As I said, it was worth every ounce, and I'm still within reach of that stone zone, and could still get there comfortably before the 25th.
Circumstances mean that I will be missing out on two Christmas meals next week, so that will help the waistline, if nothing else.
KOKO everyone. -
Message 3
Posted by Westsussexbird or Birdy aka Westie (U6316532) on Tuesday, 7th December 2010
Thankyou for opening up Puzzler and well done you for ending up with such a small gain on the scales.
Fortunately for me my Christmas outfit consists of a lovely floaty skirt with a dark night sky background but vibrant primary coloured stars in the foreground and ....... an elasticated waist!!!! I love this skirt so much that a few years ago a friend renewed the elastic for me.
I had my hospital pre-op check up yesterday and passed with flying colours so hope to get my cranky knee operated on before Christmas, so hope to be more mobile in the new year which will help me get back down towards my maintain weight. I've had a good week and have had smaller portions and can feel the benefit already.
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Message 4
Posted by anagramladysin (U14258840) on Tuesday, 7th December 2010
Got locked out yesterday - was it something I said?
Hello everyone and well done to those of you with robust willpower.
Isn't this cold and ice grim for the salad eaters? It's hard to keep enough fresh food in when a trip to the shop is a mile in lethal frost. I fell yesterday - but only gazed my knee and jolted my back, so I was lucky.
Making soup. Yesterday Tuscan bean soup, today broccoli, which I suspect needs a bit of blue cheese in.
I have a freezer for the first time for four years and that's a lifesaver.
Well, on with the day in the sunshine and frost.
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Message 5
Posted by Auntie Prue (U14585893) on Tuesday, 7th December 2010
Put on a couple of pounds this week - but it *was* my birthday at the weekend, so a few extra goodies!
I hope to shift the extra before the 25th - but this is the season of extra meals out. I have WI Xmas lunch on Friday; and spinning guild Xmas lunch on Saturday. Sadly the funeral of someone who died long before they should have on Monday - so not quite as happy as usual. -
Message 6
Posted by Westsussexbird or Birdy aka Westie (U6316532) on Tuesday, 7th December 2010
Ana ... do you now have a freezer because it is so cold outside you just pop things outside and 'zap' they're frozen? :0) Glad you didn't hurt your knees.
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Message 7
Posted by Miftrefs Laura in Lothian bufily ftitching (U2587870) on Tuesday, 7th December 2010
Hullo, all!
I've made two discoveries this last ten days... firstly, no great surprise, that it is jolly good exercise walking in very deep snow and even better exercise hauling shopping or luggage along on an old-fashioned wooden sledge with a wooden slatted crate belted to its top!
Secondly... I seem far less interested in sugar. Most peculiar and unexpected - I am eating vast amounts of savoury things, meat and veg and pickles, but not much chocolate or sugar or fruit. Very useful!
KOKO all, especially those who dislike snow. It's far easier to get out into it if, like me, you enjoy it and enjoy its challenges, but must be horrible if you feel about snow like I do about hot weather...
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Message 8
Posted by Westsussexbird or Birdy aka Westie (U6316532) on Tuesday, 7th December 2010
Glad you're here Laura ... I was afraid the re-introduction of this heavy design might have got the better of you. :0)
We have a wooden sledge with heavy metal sides .... a friend overhauled (!) it for us last Summer as the wood had got rotten and it looks like new again ... at least it looked like new before this lot of show arrived and it's been lovely that it has had lots of use. -
Message 9
Posted by LostInML (U13646691) on Tuesday, 7th December 2010
"Isn't this cold and ice grim for the salad eaters? "
I was so relieved to see this comment. I am finding it so very difficult right now. I'm so cold all the time that I want nice warm food... and not just soup! Helen's venison stew and dumplings almost had me whimpering with desire last night!
And yes, Laura, I'm one of those snow haters (not that I'm all that fond of hot weather either; I sound a real curmudgeon, don't I?!) The ice is worse than snow. I fell on Friday (my knee is now a lovely shade of purple, but fortunately isn't really hurt) and am now paranoid about walking, so that's no longer a pleasure. My bus was so late this morning I didn't get swimming again today. I am thoroughly fed-up. Last week, when I was snowed in, I ate so much that I haven't even dared go near the scales yet. I'm hugging a cup of coffee now and trying not to think about food. -
Message 10
Posted by Westsussexbird or Birdy aka Westie (U6316532) on Tuesday, 7th December 2010
It is a sad truth that injured knees take a while to recover. The main trick is only to injure one at a time .... wait for the original injury to recover before you hurt your second knee. This is good advice from one who knows :0)))
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Message 11
Posted by LostInML (U13646691) on Wednesday, 8th December 2010
It's quiet in here this week. I am warm today. I have layer upon layer of clothing and am considering buying some leggings or something like that to help ward off the cold. If anyone has any advice on keeping feet warm, I would welcome it. My nice furry cheap boots are not very good in the ice; my competent ice boots (competent at walking on ice, I should add, not made of ice) are very cold, so I can either be unsafe and warm or safe and cold. I would like to reach the magic combination of being safe /and/ warm. Preferably without spending lots of money. (The dream boots, if you remember, were £200 and beyond my purse...)
Am baking for a school event right now, so the oven is helping to keep me warm. -
Message 12
Posted by Miftrefs Laura in Lothian bufily ftitching (U2587870) on Wednesday, 8th December 2010
Warm feet, ime -
- layers of thinner socks work better than one pair of mega-thick socks
- wool is excellent, and if you layer then even if you don't normally wear wool against your skin you can wear thin cotton socks and then thin wool socks not against your skin
- space! If you have boots packed full of sock, then your feet get colder. Make sure your feet have a bit of toe-wiggling space
- make sure your tights or innermost cotton socks aren't pulled as you put on the others; if they are pulled tight against your toes, then it makes your toes colder
- tights: wear heavy-duty tights, under trousers or skirts.
- skirts: trousers are by far the coldest things to wear in cold weather, unless they are very very hi-tech climbing kit. I see more men in kilts just now than at any time except Hogmanay and rugby internationals! Wear a full-ish long-ish skirt and if you can, wear another over or under it, and you'll find a big big difference to how warm your whole body is. Air is trapped in the folds of the skirt, forming a brilliant thermal insulation layer!
Hope that helps! Our maximum today is set to be minus-6 and I'm not even wearing a coat when I go out... thermal long-sleeve, cotton long-sleeve, wool jumper and wool cardigan, full skirt and petticoat, long fine-wool stockings, thin wool socks and boots and fingerless gloves and hat. And I am some kind of lizard-human hybrid usually as I tend to feel the cold a lot - but those layers of wool and air are working! -
Message 13
Posted by LostInML (U13646691) on Wednesday, 8th December 2010
Great advice, Laura; thanks a lot! Love your new name, by the way... I was interested in your comments on skirts, as I've been avoiding them because I thought I'd be colder in them...
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Message 14
Posted by Auntie Prue (U14585893) on Wednesday, 8th December 2010
As many of you will know - I am an enthusiast for Gudrun Sjoden - and recently took delivery of some of her gorgeous cosy socks and leggings.
At the moment, I am wearing a pair of tights, over these some Gudrun leggings, and some of her knee high stripey socks (I am certain that the multicolour stripes add to the warmth ; ) )
I have on a skirt today - under which I have a full length slip. Sometimes I put on a waist slip too. On top I have a summer vest top, a cotton blouse, and a sweater. Yestereday I wore two pairs of trousers instead of the skirt. You can also wear trousers under a skirt - very useful for standing at bus stops etc
If I get cold I have a hand knitted, hand spun thick wool/silk cardi to put on.
In the evening, I change into some thick woollen socks and slippers. The socks are too thick to wear with shoes - but perfect for an evening in front of the telly.
Oddly enough, I get too warm in bed, so all year round I wear a strappy nighty under our duvet. I have a couple of "bed Tee shirts" (huge ones that no longer fit) that I can put on for reading etc before settling down.
I find coffee is the most warming drink - probably because of the effect of caffeine.
If you aren't going outside again, a nip of whisky is good to make you feel warm - or a dash of rum in your coffee : )
A few days ago, I discovered forgotten about Madeira cake that we bought in May (in Madeira - not what we think of as Madeira cake, but a rich gingery fruity sticky cake they eat at Christmas). I followed their instructions and poured a glass of rum into it a few days ago - and we had a small slice each last night - mmmmmm.
Definitely one of those things that you follow the South Beach Diet advice of "just three mouthfuls". ..... and this is the way to deal with Christmas really. Enjoy a bit of everything - but just a very small slice/portion/ just one choc etc etc.
I know that many say they can't do this, and have to forego all chocolate etc - but I firmly believe that it is a skill worth practising - because it will made ones eating regime more sustainable, ie no forbidden foods - which tend to make for miserable eating over the years.
Anyway - to get back to the original point - lots of layers is the answer to keeping warm.
PS I will tell you something interesting that I heard at a talk given by the official doctor on one of those antarctic treck expeditions. Because walking over the terrain is very strenuous - particularly if pulling sledges etc - they only wore thin cotton clothing because of the heat that tjheir bodies produce as the go along,. As soon as they stop, they dive into a duvet type tent, and chage into warm (and dry) clothing. Their walking clothes have become damp through sweat - and is then dried out ready for the next day.
In order to consume the calories needed, they had to eat slabs of butter!
None of this relevant to us - but thought you might be interested : )
KOKO
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Message 15
Posted by LostInML (U13646691) on Thursday, 9th December 2010
It feels relevant to me as I heave my rucksack and bags to work along the frozen pavements of Yorkshire, I can assure you!
I bought leggings yesterday and felt warmer for that. I have a thick skirt and slip on as per Laura's advice over the leggings. I have three layers on top (camisole top/ T-shirt/ jumper) and a scarf around my neck. All this is for indoor wear. I am also wearing tights and two pairs of socks. If my bus turns up on time, I might even survive today! -
Message 16
Posted by Westsussexbird or Birdy aka Westie (U6316532) on Thursday, 9th December 2010
How is your knee Lost?
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Message 17
Posted by GuzziNut (U6364582) on Thursday, 9th December 2010
mostly echoing what Laura says WRT warm feet, Lost. But I would add, (from the point of working outside view), I usually wear a pair of thin silk socks and then thick, up to or over the knee socks, it works well. Lidl sell snow boarding socks, look really ridiculous but work a treat.
skirts? not an option on a building site :-0 but decent heavy duty army combat trousers, then my overalls help keep me warm
and I take a flask of soup.
yes walking in the snow is hard on the legs but good for you in that respect -
Message 18
Posted by Westsussexbird or Birdy aka Westie (U6316532) on Thursday, 9th December 2010
If any of you are tempted to make parsnip, lemon and ginger soup ... don't bother!! If it wasn't that I'll eat anything that isn't nailed down I would have left mine! Luckily I didn't make tooooooooooo much of it.
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Message 19
Posted by LostInML (U13646691) on Thursday, 9th December 2010
My knee is purple (like my skirt!) but doesn't hurt and I managed to get swimming yesterday and today, so I feel better for that. Today I have been warm for the first time this week, yay!
Mind you, the temperature is warmer today anyway...
Survived manning the cake stall after work without feeling the slightest bit tempted, but am going to cook dinner now! -
Message 20
Posted by Westsussexbird or Birdy aka Westie (U6316532) on Thursday, 9th December 2010
I smell of raw egg and olive oil! I did a bit of googling to find a natural hair conditioner as my hair is very dry at the moment. The advice was first of all to get an inch cut off my hair ... I ignored that advice as there'd be none left if I did that ... and then to mix an egg and 2 tbs of olive oil and leave it on my hair for 20 minutes.
I hope it's worth it! -
Message 21
Posted by LostInML (U13646691) on Friday, 10th December 2010
I'd be interested to hear how the hairdressing experiment worked, Birdy.
Well, I finally plucked up the courage to get on the scales today and have maintained, which I count as quite a victory, considering the lack of exercise last week. Things have been a little bit more 'normal' this week. I would have liked to be half a stone lighter by Christmas, but think I will settle for hovering where I am right now if I can keep that up through all the Christmas festivities... -
Message 22
Posted by puzzler76 (U3733897) on Friday, 10th December 2010
Good stuff, Lost. There's nothing at all wrong with maintaining, especially at this time of year.
For me, the trick is to be Really Good on the days I can be, then allow myself the indulgences that are planned and hope that it turns out (like the week that included the wedding) as a sort of even maintain.
Yesterday involved a children's Christmas party (and Puzzling's first real encounter with Santa) so lunch was a buffet and I ate more than I would normally but it was both planned and enjoyed. Today I will be more frugal.
KOKO everyone.
P.S. How's the egg head, Birdy???!!!! -
Message 23
Posted by Westsussexbird or Birdy aka Westie (U6316532) on Friday, 10th December 2010
I think a maintain is an absolute triumph ... well done :0)
Off topic .... birdy's hair! I can report that my hair is still attached and fine. My style is a quick whizz over with a number 10 in winter and an 8 in summer so it is a style which benefits from a bit of body in my hair and I think that that has been achieved as usually after I wash it it lies flat and I need to add some gloop to make it 'interesting~!'
Though I'm not sure I'll do it again as it was quite a bother with it running down my body as I sat in the bath keeping warm! Luckily we have not only a radiator but by then the heated towel rail had come on, so it was the warmest place in the house!
I'm in my early 60s now and find I don't need to wash my hair very often now with it being dryer, and in fact it usually looks better when its not been washed for a few days. -
Message 24
Posted by Westsussexbird or Birdy aka Westie (U6316532) on Friday, 10th December 2010
Just to raise a smile .... courtesy of Chicken Hot Pot (a lovely name for a lovely poster!) elsethread.
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Message 25
Posted by orange pekoe (U9563764) on Friday, 10th December 2010
Glad to know the omelette-head worked out well!
Well done everyone - doing much better than me.
I've swapped place with the old me, and have been mainlining Cadbury's Dairy Milk, whereas a few months ago I'd have found that toooo sweet and sickly.
Been buying it in huge bars and just scoffing.
Don't even really know why. Not partic stressed or anything. Along with the ice and snow, have had poorly boys, so I guess a bit upsy-daisy at home. Ran out of homemade soup a couple of days ago, and haven't had time to make any more yet. It's small simple organisational things that makes a big difference to my eating. It's not so much that I don't fancy the healthy option, but if it's not there I grab something else.
The chocolate: I just Must Not Buy any. I've even been buying it in the full knowledge that it's for me, which is ridiculous, when there are already enough temptation from boy treats.
KOKO (not cocoa, piggy pekoe!) one and all! -
Message 26
Posted by Westsussexbird or Birdy aka Westie (U6316532) on Friday, 10th December 2010
OP, perhaps it's time to just relax and indulge yourself? Maybe divide the chocolate up into squares and pop it into a freezer bag and freeze it and just get out one or two squares at a time and really really enjoy letting them melt in your mouse?
Well, my neighbour has just ruffled my hair and looked doubtful and suggests I use Vitapointe which is in a tube and you just rub a tiny blob into your hair when it feels dry. Can be used on wet or dry hair .... she has white hair that always looks lovely.
Laura, there is a thread called a wee wee remedy which is just up your street! Click on my name to find it :0)) -
Message 27
Posted by orange pekoe (U9563764) on Friday, 10th December 2010
Oh! My gran has used vitapointe for years! She also has lovely snow white hair. As I remember, it smells lovely too. Well worth a try - and a blob of that every day must be cheaper than a couple of eggs a week!
Yes, I need to get back to the sensible amounts thing. I'm going to buy some really dark stuff next time I go to the shops, rather than sweet milk choc, and hopefully that will help my intake.
But if I do find a lovely purple packet sneaking into the house, I think I'll have to try your freezer technique. -
Message 28
Posted by Westsussexbird or Birdy aka Westie (U6316532) on Friday, 10th December 2010
.... and while you're freezing the chocolate, freeze some really top quality grapes as well ... grapes and chocolate go really really well together.
I forgot to mention that spurred on by the call to be really sensible for one week, I popped on the scales this morning and I weigh 2lb less than I did when I popped on the scales a week or so ago.
I needed the encouragement and so thankyou thread for keeping me focused. I've had puds when we have eaten out twice this week (there's a really nice pub on the way to the hospital!!) but apart from that have been fine. -
Message 29
Posted by Auntie Prue (U14585893) on Friday, 10th December 2010
Middle english course this morning, during which I ate a mini mince pie.
Then WI Christmas lunch - did the salad bar rather than soup and bread roll, and had roast beef, but no Yorkshire pud of potatoes - but lots of carrots, broccoli and sprouts. A fluffy lemon pudding - but I did have some cream poured on it. Black coffee and a mint.
I ate slowly, and stopped eating when I felt full and left the rest.
Ö÷²¥´óÐã - and did 450 strokes on rowing maching - which I really felt like doing. It won't mop up the extra calories eaten so far today, but I feel better for it.
Tomorrow is shared buffet lunch at spinning guild, which is far more dangerous as there are some seriously talented cooks.
Will try not to be too greedy.
Wish me luck ; ) -
Message 30
Posted by LostInML (U13646691) on Friday, 10th December 2010
I find buffets much more trouble than main meals. Like you say, you can fill up on veg. and avoid things that are not good for you and you can still feel satisfied. With buffets, so much of what I like there is not good for me (all that pastry... all that bread...all those crisps and dips), and there is a tendency to just keep going and never feeling full, so that you don't realise just how many calories you've consumed (or feel you've eaten much at all!)
At the wedding buffet last week, I managed to avoid the pastries and bread and stuck to the salads and meats, but that was helped by the fact that I made the salads and cooked the meats so I knew there would be something there I could tackle!
Well done on your loss, Birdy, and hope the rest of you keep going. The temperatures are milder here at the moment and I feel almost human again! -
Message 31
Posted by Westsussexbird or Birdy aka Westie (U6316532) on Friday, 10th December 2010
Thanks Lost, and well done Sparkers :0)
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Message 32
Posted by Fire-Pig - proud to wave the protest banner (U12231213) on Friday, 10th December 2010
We are back from our Christmas market trip to Europe. Three markets in three countries, all very interesting and very different. My last two trips to Europe have resulted in my returning battered and bruised but this time, by being very, very careful on the ice I returned safe and sound!
I won't go into details on the food front - I enjoyed what I ate and did not really overindulge, not as much as we used to anyway! (One delight was a horseshoe of marzipan covered on top in almonds, with dark chocolate on the base - utter heaven!)
I am not sure I know anybody here - there seem to be so many new names!
KOKO one and all
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Message 33
Posted by Westsussexbird or Birdy aka Westie (U6316532) on Friday, 10th December 2010
Don't worry Fire Pig ... we're all still here :0))
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Message 34
Posted by Mabel Bagshawe (U2222589) on Friday, 10th December 2010
Just dropping in to say 3lb down from last weigh in 3 weeks ago - going in the right direction despite snow reduced exercise (although walking fast in -7 probably burns the same calories as my usual jog when warmer!)
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Message 35
Posted by LostInML (U13646691) on Saturday, 11th December 2010
Oh, Fire-Pig, I'm not clever enough to change my name, so I'm still here. Still plodding on. Glad you enjoyed the Christmas markets. We are due to go to Brussels after Christmas, so I suppose I'll miss them...!
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Message 36
Posted by Westsussexbird or Birdy aka Westie (U6316532) on Saturday, 11th December 2010
Lost, if you want to change your name go to the top of this bogroll and click on FAQs on the left hand side and it gives you a list of possible options ... one says "How do I change my name" or somesuch ... and you follow the instructions. Snot difficult. You could be Lostinthesnow.
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Message 37
Posted by orange pekoe (U9563764) on Saturday, 11th December 2010
Glad you had a good time, Fire-Pig, and returned uninjured!
Just to say that I'm proof positive of the weirdness of weight loss or gain.
For months now I've not been quite in the right place, head-wise, and have been eating more rubbish. As I said in my post a couple of days ago, just lately I've really been going for excess in a big way, ie dairy milk by the (big) bar.
Well, I am simply failing to gain weight! Not to speak of, anyway. I hopped on this morning for the first time in a few weeks, thinking I needed to *see* the consequences of my poor choices, and I'm really there or thereabouts - not much difference since early summer. Only about 4 lbs up on my all-time lowest weight that I was in April - and I put those back on fairly quickly by about June, and have hovered around this point since then.
It's bizarre, and really is the flip side to the plateau. I am plateauing despite overdoing it - whereas many of us (myself included) have experienced the opposite - plateauing frustratingly despite doing everything 'right'.
It truly is a mystery.
Still better for my bod if I put more good stuff in it, tho. Haven't had any more dairy milk since fessing up yesterday, so let's see if I can hop over that little obsession.
PS Gwan, Lost, give the name-change a go! -
Message 38
Posted by LostInML (U13646691) on Saturday, 11th December 2010
I'm schizophrenic enough, Orange Pekoe, without attempting to add another personality to my consciousness!
Still plateauing despite trying, but I know what you mean. I was convinced I would have gained weight over the past two weeks, but haven't. Sometimes I'm equally convinced I'll have lost weight because of my virtue and don't. I find both scenarios frustrating, as what I'd /like/ is a weekly loss, in nice measurable quantities. No one's told my body to cooperate with that desire, obviously...! -
Message 39
Posted by LostInML (U13646691) on Sunday, 12th December 2010
Hope everyone is keeping on well over the weekend and making wise choices...
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Message 40
Posted by Westsussexbird or Birdy aka Westie (U6316532) on Sunday, 12th December 2010
Yes, thanks Lost, I've done OK. I ate a bit of the macaroni cheese cold so cut back on what went onto my plate ... why do that? How daft!! But all in all, I'm quite pleased with myself and feeling good about the coming week.
As some of you know, I'm going into hospital to have my knee sorted so I'll be a bit thin on the ground (get it!!!) this coming week.
Take care of yourselves :0)) -
Message 41
Posted by Fire-Pig - proud to wave the protest banner (U12231213) on Sunday, 12th December 2010
I've got my first Christmas lunch tomorrow - I think I have chosen the healthier options - melon starter and salmon main course, choose pud on the day.
Tonight I did a gammon with greens and baked potatoes, very good it was too, OH helpfully burnt the skin and fat - I love that stuff!
I do so hope all goes well for you Birdy, is it going to be day surgery?
KOKO oner and all
F-P -
Message 42
Posted by Westsussexbird or Birdy aka Westie (U6316532) on Sunday, 12th December 2010
Thanks Fire Pig ... yes it should be day surgery ... fingers crossed. I've not been able to take the anti inflams as I gather they thin your blood a bit, so my knee is most uncomfortable now .... at least it confirms to me that something needs to be done.
Have a good week everyone :0)))) -
Message 43
Posted by LostInML (U13646691) on Monday, 13th December 2010
Hope all goes well with the surgery, Birdy, and that you recover well for Christmas.
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Message 44
Posted by Auntie Prue (U14585893) on Monday, 13th December 2010
All the best, Birdy. Don't try to do too much too soon - a few extra pounds aren't really important in the overall scheme of things.
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Message 45
Posted by Westsussexbird or Birdy aka Westie (U6316532) on Monday, 13th December 2010
Before next week's thread starts .... just to say thanks for good wishes :0)
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Message 46
Posted by Fire-Pig - proud to wave the protest banner (U12231213) on Monday, 13th December 2010
New thread started here
F-P
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