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Message 1.Â
Posted by Ellie May (U2222618) on Wednesday, 7th December 2011
Welcome to December’s alcohol concerns. This thread is for everyone – those in recovery or struggling to get there, those who are coping with other people’s alcohol issues, and those who may simply want to learn more.
This is also a place to share about other addiction issues – whether drugs, food, exercise, gambling, sex, relationships, shopping or anything else.
The following links are all sources of support. Some of us are members of AA – the only requirement for membership is a desire to stop drinking – and some have found recovery through other means. Some of us still drink in moderation and some of us are abstinent. Whatever works… (Some of us, too, are still looking for ways that work.)
Basia sent me an email saying for the love of God will you open up December, so here it is. Sorry it’s so late. December is usually my month as my anniversary is on 15 December, and next week I hope to be celebrating nine years’ sobriety, for which I am extremely grateful. I am insanely busy at the moment but I am trying to keep up with everything that is going on in here. Kris, I am so terribly sorry things are so rough for you and your A, I think of you daily and hope that things will improve. -
Message 2
Posted by BasiainBrooklyn (U505001) on Wednesday, 7th December 2011
Thanks EM, very much appreciated.
next week I hope to be celebrating nine years’ sobrietyÂ
There's something about the lack of presumption, the not taking anything for granted, that I love about AA. Well ok, I take the support for granted, because it is always there, no matter what, as long as you want to get and stay sober. I used to hear "I will be celebrating 20 years in a week's time, God willing..." and not really understand why it wasn't up to that person, but I hear those words differently now.
Does that make sense to people who aren't in AA?
Congratulations in advance, but we'll do it again on the day.
And I second what you said EM about Kris and her A.
Basia, 10 years and counting. -
Message 3
Posted by The Giddy Kipper (U10918464) on Wednesday, 7th December 2011
In our house we say 'Inshallah', but we're funny like that.........
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Message 4
Posted by Fee (U3534148) on Wednesday, 7th December 2011
Bookmarking mainly. Also insanely busy at the moment but will try to get back soon to say something for the beginning of what is not my favourite month of the year.
Giddy and Basia, I'm glad you thought I'd got it right in my final post on the last thread - Basia, I do so agree with you about the difficulty of knowing where the line is between doing something to make it easier for someone to choose a particular route and trying to force them to make the choice. It's the wisdom to know the difference between the things you cannot change and have to accept and changing the things that you can. -
Message 5
Posted by Campbell in Farewell Clogs (U14226916) on Wednesday, 7th December 2011
For the first time in ages joining in on the first page rather than jumping in towards the end of the month.
I've been sober for 3 years and, em, almost 3 months now.
I'm not sure what the thread etiquette is on continuing conversations from the previous month but I've cut and pasted now so might as well use it.
>>>CC, it seems that you've missed big chunks of Kris' and her A's journey, and unless you come in here on a weekly basis, that's understandable, but you should know that Kris has not stood by in any way, shape or form<<<
it's true I have indeed missed big chunks of Kris's story as I tend to come in here sporadically when the thread's too long for me to read weeks of back posts. But I had picked up that she hadn't 'stood by'. I think I just meant to acknowledge how difficult it is to 'let someone else live their life' when you so desperately want to help them. I certainly didn't mean to criticise Kris or anyone else and if that's how it came across, I apologise for any unintentional bad feeling this may have caused.
(And who's Christian Louboutin? Should I look him up?) -
Message 6
Posted by The Giddy Kipper (U10918464) on Wednesday, 7th December 2011
You need to look down for Louboutin (-;
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Message 7
Posted by Fee (U3534148) on Wednesday, 7th December 2011
>I'm not sure what the thread etiquette is on continuing conversations from the previous month<
Well, if there's a rule (which there isn't) I've broken it in my first post too. I don't think we've got a link back to last month yet so here it is in case anyone does want to read back through the threads
>Christian Louboutin?<
Maker of fancy clogs, I think.
I just remembered that I forgot to thank Ellie May for opening the thread.
For the start of the month, I'll just say that I'm Fee and my connection with these threads started five years ago when I was posting about my highly functioning actively alcohol dependent husband. I have a feeling that just as important a link is the great-grandmother whom I only discovered a couple of years ago was a similarly functioning alcoholic (who lived into her eighties and of whom I have very faint memories) and whose behaviour has undoubtedly reverberated in family patterns of behaviour down the generations.
I'll post my usual beginning of the month comment about the fact that someone does not need to be a park bench tramp or start drinking after breakfast for their drinking to be a problem for themselves and those around them. The stereotypical view of alcoholism prevented me from realising what I was living with for years.
I was at an Al Anon meeting over last weekend and a newcomer raised a concern about whether they were qualified to be there as they were not living with an active drinker but had recently realised that it was likely that some of their problems went back to their parents behaviour which in retrospect correlated with their drinking - particularly their mother's anger when she had been drinking even though she did not drink the whole time.
Someone pointed out that the only requirement of membership was a problem with alcohol in a relative or friend - so that basically if you knew someone with a drink problem you qualified. I thought to myself that on that basis it might be easier to identify people who don't qualify (in reality, of course, you'd only turn up to Al Anon if you are affected by that drinking).
Have a good month everyone - Christmas has not been a comfortable time of year for me for a long time now and I think that is true of many people whose lives have been affected by problem drinking. I wish everyone the serenity that comes with accepting the things we cannot change, the courage to change the things we can and the wisdom to know the difference. -
Message 8
Posted by TeaLady (U9077092) on Thursday, 8th December 2011
Hi everyone and thanks EM for opening December - how is it possibly December again? Am also insanely busy and am really looking forward to it being January....Haven't been in here for ages and have missed it and everyone here. So sorry to hear that life is so tough for kris and her A . Will (hopefully) be back again soon. Love to all at what can be a difficult time of year TL xx
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Message 9
Posted by stew black (U3146970) on Friday, 9th December 2011
Hello everyone, my name's Stew and I'm an alcoholic. I haven't had a drink today nor for the last 5 and going on 6 years.
I had a drunk dream last night. Haven't been through that for a long time and while I know it's no different than dreaming about flying orange hippos eating my grandmother it still left me unsettled all day.
I come here only very occasionally now but when I really needed support people here shared their experiences and never judged me and told me stuff that I still quote to anyone who'll listen.
If my journey has taught me anything it's listen to those who've been there. We are all as individual as our fingerprints but our experiences are surprisingly similar. Don't try to reinvent the wheel just listen to people who have been through it and wait until the confusing bits make sense.
I never did get to a meeting but I might one day. Drinking used to involve itself in every aspect of my life, in every decision but now it's something I rarely think about. I haven't achieved anything earth shattering in my nearly six sober years but I have: held down a proper job, been faithful to my wife, been there for my mother and my kids whenever they need me day or night, learned to take photographs (even had one published), ridden my bike over several English counties, played numerous gigs all of which I can actually remember, and most recently written a book.
Before that I just got drunk.
Simple when I come to write it down and read it back to myself. -
Message 10
Posted by Campbell in Farewell Clogs (U14226916) on Friday, 9th December 2011
I am now officially grinning at the screen with tears in my eyes. It may not be 'earth shattering' stew, but it all sounds pretty briefcasing brilliant to me. Here, have this round of applause from me.
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Message 11
Posted by stew black (U3146970) on Friday, 9th December 2011
I am now officially grinning at the screen with tears in my eyes. It may not be 'earth shattering' stew, but it all sounds pretty briefcasing brilliant to me. Here, have this round of applause from me. Â That sounds like my kind of round! Thank you.
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Message 12
Posted by Fee (U3534148) on Friday, 9th December 2011
> I haven't achieved anything earth shattering in my nearly six sober years but I have: held down a proper job, been faithful to my wife, been there for my mother and my kids whenever they need me day or night, learned to take photographs (even had one published), ridden my bike over several English counties, played numerous gigs all of which I can actually remember, and most recently written a book.<
That sounds like an awful lot to me. What was the book about?
(How nice to see you in here) -
Message 13
Posted by stew black (U3146970) on Friday, 9th December 2011
Hello Fee, it's always nice to come back and meet old friends. Especially those from back in the day, I hope you are well.
Its a work of fiction. I suppose it's about unintended consequences. It's also about unsuspecting lovers and infatuation and loss and unrequited love and people make friends and fall out oh and drink rather a lot (but then they do say write about what you know). I have no ambitions to publish I just always wanted to know if I could actually finish something and it appears that I can. -
Message 14
Posted by Flightless Anachronistic Bird (U6437464) on Friday, 9th December 2011
Hi stew,
Don't usually post in here, but wanted to say how nice it is to 'see' you and here about all the good stuff you've made happen.
F(A)B -
Message 15
Posted by stew black (U3146970) on Friday, 9th December 2011
Thank you F(A)B, it's nice to hear from you too.
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Message 16
Posted by Fee (U3534148) on Friday, 9th December 2011
>I just always wanted to know if I could actually finish something and it appears that I can.<
I'm not sure that I would without some external deadline so that's doubly impressive.
I'm fine - my life is very different from when I started posted here - I don't know when you stopped following what was going on in here but I no longer live with my husband (he is still sober, I'm not sure he's had quite as productive a time as you have). The Al Anon principles have helped me hugely in dealing with what I've been wont to describe as a very unwanted opportunity (which has brought me a new job in a new part of the country and a whole new structure to my life) and in trying to minimise the damage from the fall-out for the rest of the family. This thread has played quite a large part in the direction my live has taken over the last six years. -
Message 17
Posted by stew black (U3146970) on Friday, 9th December 2011
We are all so very different from the people we were when we first met. Some of that would have happened in any event with the passing of six years but so much is down to the way what we learned here informed the choices we have made.
I may not come here regularly any more but I will never forget the significant part this thread has played in my life.
As to the future, I want to understand myself better and yet think less of myself. I need to keep changing because I still get so bad tempered and unhappy from time to time and that needs work. I must find the root and attack the problem like I did with my drinking. -
Message 18
Posted by BasiainBrooklyn (U505001) on Friday, 9th December 2011
How utterly lovely and wonderful to see you in here Stew, I miss you very much. You sure just made up for your absence. Congratulations on all you've achieved, that's brilliant.
I'll join CC in the grinning from ear to ear corner.
Bash x -
Message 19
Posted by stew black (U3146970) on Friday, 9th December 2011
I am humbled by your gracious comments Bash. My infrequent visits make me feel unworthy of them, especially you to whom I owe so much.
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Message 20
Posted by Fee (U3534148) on Friday, 9th December 2011
>but so much is down to the way what we learned here informed the choices we have made<
Yes, that is true - I think it has also helped in understanding the choices which others make - both in major aspects of life but also in every day working life - it certainly helps in hanging on to serenity whilst all around me are throwing toys out of their prams.
I hope you will still drop in from time to time.
Nice to see you as well F(A)B. -
Message 21
Posted by Ellie May (U2222618) on Friday, 9th December 2011
Ah, it’s so nice to see you in here, Stew, and to hear your news. I love stories like yours – so calm and even-keeled but really quite remarkable. You and so many others here have been a big part of my story too.
Funny, I was thinking of your lovely dog the other day, and her horrible accident. I will always remember your post with the phrase ‘if love could grow legs’ and it really brought home again my gratitude for sobriety – how would anyone be able to cope with an accident like that in a beloved dog – no matter how beloved – if they weren’t sober? I can imagine how I’d have been if that had happened to my dog while I was still drinking – bawling my head off and being a total train wreck while actually doing bugger all to help. -
Message 22
Posted by La Bez (U14670366) on Saturday, 10th December 2011
Hello all, nice to see you Stew
Bookmarking the December thread - and joining TeaLady in wondering exactly why it's December already. Doesn't seem possible.
OH and I spent the evening at Haley House - the halfway house I was living in at this time last year. We had a wonderful time with the staff, the women currently living there and some other "old girls" like me - including my crazy roomate. Two of the women had just left in the last couple of weeks (so still returning every other day or so as they transition) and they were both with me down the hill at the Lodge towards the end of my stay there - which brings home that it is a very short time in the scheme of things since I left HH in February, even though it seems a long time.
OH was being a suck up so he made the sinfully rich chocolate tart that always went down a storm when he brought it for dessert on Sundays when I was transitioning out. Serves him right that he soon fell into the clutches of the CEO (the only men they stuck together like glue).
Said CEO was very excited to tell us that he will be in London in May having been invited to address Members of Parliament on the benefits of long term in-patient treatment for addiction. -
Message 23
Posted by stew black (U3146970) on Saturday, 10th December 2011
Hello Bez - just read your post and now I want chocolate! Still have some compulsions it seems.
Hello Ellie May, so good to catch up with you too. I missed your post last night as I fell asleep, getting an early one as I have a long journey today. You have reminded me of an incredibly traumatic time in my life. Funny how people who don't 'do' pets find it hard to grasp how upsetting it is when an animal in your care is suffering. You know, I hadn't thought how my sobriety played an important part in dealing with the accident, and coping calmly with the fact that although ultimately my fault it was a mistake and an accident. When drunk I would have used this as an excuse to plunge into an ocean of self pity and extravagant mock grief. Instead I forgave myself and got on with the practicalities.
By the way if you're wondering how Jess is getting on -
Message 24
Posted by carrick-bend (U2288869) ** on Saturday, 10th December 2011
It's so good to hear from you, Stew Black.
Just bookmarking as a long-term lurker - Christmas is a difficult time for many people, particularly for those with alcohol issues, or family and friends who have.
This thread will earn it's keep over the next month, I think. -
Message 25
Posted by Dunlurkin NL (U2675855) on Saturday, 10th December 2011
Another long term lurker delurking to say what a brilliant thread this is. It is one I often mention whne explaining about ML.
Over the years it has certainly coloured my view of what I might call the public face of alcohol. I mean things like the way in which it is assumed that we all 'need' a drink after a difficult experience - which can be as minor as a tough day at the office. I have to admit that I can get a bit po-faced at times.
Best wishes to all.
Dunlurkin -
Message 26
Posted by doughy hood (U2352167) on Saturday, 10th December 2011
Stew, if all that is nothing "earth shattering" what do you more do you need to do to be so? It all sounds pretty amazing to me!
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Message 27
Posted by Fee (U3534148) on Saturday, 10th December 2011
Hi Doughy.
That's a great photo Stew - so full of life and exuberance.
Chocolate torte sounds good La Bez. I was thinking at the end of the other thread when I was posting about arranging it how lucky my husband was that he was in a position to afford to arrange residential treatment at just the point when he was ready to accept that it was necessary - not long term in his case, but long enough to take him out of the cycle he had got himself into and into a physical and mental state where he was able to change direction. I'm not sure what would have happened if it had not been possible at that point. I'm not saying that I think residential treatment should be available on demand (I think some of those who could afford to book themselves in did so when at the stage of wanting to want sobriety rather than really wanting it and it didn't work for them).
Dunlurkin, how nice to see you too. I wonder who else we might see in here who has not been in for a long time (I meant to wave at TeaLady as well). Newcomers also always very welcome - although a lot of us having been posting for years and go back a long way, it's always good to see someone new in here.
Thinking about kris and her A and all others who are struggling with the way they or someone else is using alcohol.
Must now go and buy a garden broom so that I can tackle the carpet of leaves in my very small back yard and the clematis which has collapsed off the wall under its own weight - and then a half hour walk to buy the council garden waste sacks to deal with it - but it's a nice sunny day and I rather like the thought that I can spend most of the day just achieving one thing rather than rushing round like a mad thing trying to be in two places at once and do three things at once which is my usual state of affairs. -
Message 28
Posted by Campbell in Farewell Clogs (U14226916) on Saturday, 10th December 2011
Ooh goodie, collie dog photos. I missed the tale of your dog's accident and if you hadn't said in the text under the pic I doubt if I would even have seen what she was missing. Lovely beast with her greying snout. How old is she? I have a Blue Merle Border Collie and a Great Dane coming to stay over Christmas.
(Oops, this ISn't the dog club, calm down wummin, if you start chuntering on about all your lodgerdogs Bash will soon be in with a whole herd of stray cats!)
Dunlurkin - nice to see you popping in. On the 'po-faced' front - I do try not to be myself as I know that many folk are well able to have a drink without going as daft as I frequently did. I remember last summer when one of my pals was over here and her and Mr Clogs had been enjoying various Belgian beers on his boat and when we were driving home that evening she said that I was 'very tolerant' of other people's drinking. I just laughed and said 'Aye, an awful lot of people spent a lot of time having to be very tolerant of me over the years.' Which she couldn't deny... -
Message 29
Posted by doughy hood (U2352167) on Saturday, 10th December 2011
Oh gawd, I've just re-read my post (after spending 3 hours in town shopping). I MUST remember to proof-read before posting (but I hope that you could get the drift!).
Doughy. -
Message 30
Posted by Flightless Anachronistic Bird (U6437464) on Saturday, 10th December 2011
doughy, If I don't say anything about your post, will you keep quiet about my spelling? :- ) (sorry, Fee)
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Message 31
Posted by Fee (U3534148) on Saturday, 10th December 2011
I'm trying to work out what you are apologising to me for, F(A)B. I've just had to re-read doughy's post twice before I could see what he meant as my brain had automatically rearranged the words to say what he presumably intended to type so I expect my brain is similarly failing to read something in your message.
Most satisfactory - I have six sacks of leaves and dead clematis to put out with the recycling and both a sense of achievement and a very satisfactory broom (the previous one kept falling to pieces).
I realised reading Dunlurkin and Campbell that I wasn't entirely sure what po-faced meant - looking it up I see no-one quite knows what the origin is but that it is defined as looking disapproving and humourless. I certainly don't feel at all po-faced about people drinking without getting to stage of doing daft things (I drink that way myself) - I feel po-faced about people celebrating the notion of drinking to get into the state of doing daft things - generally I try to react neutrally so I wouldn't look disapproving - but on the other hand I don't generally laugh wholeheartedly about it so I probably do look humourless. A smile of acknowledgement is the best I can do and I can't even do that in relation to jokes about drunken photos on Facebook.
Hearing people using the language of needing a drink doesn't make me feel po-faced but it does tend to jar my serenity a bit albeit only momentarily.
Ah, I've just realised - there's a smiley thing at the end of F(A)B's post - my brain just doesn't see them unless I concentrate really hard so no need for anyone to apologise to me about them (unless people are trying to convey a message to me by using them). -
Message 32
Posted by stew black (U3146970) on Sunday, 11th December 2011
Campbell - I could go on about dogs with you but I suspect we'd be way off topic!
Ellie-May - was that you identified the egglu (while I'm off topic anyway)?
Right then. I have spent the weekend on a train. Went from Bath to Glasgow and back and all the way home today those around us on the train talked about nothing but how much they'd had to drink last night and the nature of their hangovers.
It's a bizarre thing how distant I feel from all that. I've been vegetarian for yonks now and I never think about meat as food and I suppose the same thing has happened with booze.
It's just something other people do. -
Message 33
Posted by Ellie May (U2222618) on Monday, 12th December 2011
Stew - yes it was... I was having a nose around your lovely pictures (very impressive, btw) - Jess is looking utterly gorgeous. How great that something like this can have such a positive outcome.
Anyway, I recognised the egglu as I used to keep chickens (not in an egglu though, hideously overpriced) - I feel a bit sad that we don't have room in our current house. Something to look forward to after we move again. -
Message 34
Posted by superjan3 (U6523409) on Monday, 12th December 2011
I must admit to feeling "po-faced" now when faced with excessive drinking - then I check myself and remember myself like this.
4 1/2 years today since I had my last drink. 4 1/2 years next week since I was last staying in hospital. There seems to be a corellation there.
I had a bottle of liquer in the house on Saturday night - a present for my sister who came yesterday. I know, not a very original present, but I'd suggested several other things and was met with "I don't Mind". It felt fine having it there, but I was glad to get rid of it nonetheless. I don't want to get complacent.
With Best Wishes,
J -
Message 35
Posted by Campbell in Farewell Clogs (U14226916) on Monday, 12th December 2011
>>>4 1/2 years today since I had my last drink. 4 1/2 years next week since I was last staying in hospital. There seems to be a corellation there.<<<
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hahaha, doesn't sound very po-faced at all jan.
I have drink in the house for other people but it just doesn't occur to me to drink it myself any more. Like stew said upthread - it's something other folk do. It doesn't seem relevant to me. -
Message 36
Posted by stew black (U3146970) on Monday, 12th December 2011
I sit on my own when OH works away and her half filled wine bottles are by the sofa, in the fridge, wherever they landed really. Apart from a lingering incredulity that she could leave them unfinished I only ever look at them in an abstract way. It strikes me as strange that picking one up and drinking it would be the work of a moment and yet the at once the hardest thing to do.
No one would know, it would be so easy.
But of course I would know and that's always been the point. As much as others have benefited from my sobriety it's the most selfish decision I've ever made. -
Message 37
Posted by Fee (U3534148) on Monday, 12th December 2011
>As much as others have benefited from my sobriety it's the most selfish decision I've ever made.<
I wonder whether that focus on yourself in relation to alcohol is why you and others in your position don't have the po-faced issue? What others do and think about alcohol just isn't relevant to your focus on yourself and your relationship (or lack of it) with alcohol - whereas for those of us who've been affected by someone else's drinking it's always going to be more a question of what other people do - because that's what it was. Both AA and Al Anon refuse to get involved in more general campaigning about society and alcohol because to do so what we to get distracted away from the focus on self.
(I think that is probably right for them - but I also think there do need to be people who take the broader view). -
Message 38
Posted by Fee (U3534148) on Monday, 12th December 2011
>because to do so what we to get distracted away from <
my fingers typed that, not my brain
because to do so would be to get distracted -
Message 39
Posted by Campbell in Farewell Clogs (U14226916) on Monday, 12th December 2011
>>> Apart from a lingering incredulity that she could leave them unfinished<<<
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teehee, that made me giggle - I too am still always slightly in awe of the idea of half empty wine bottles.
And selfish...? Aye, there's something in that. No-one ever 'made' me stop. I did it mainly, well, totally really, for me. Despite others 'benefitting' from it in small ways it's my body, my life, my peace of mind that has gained from me no longer lurching from one hangover to the next. -
Message 40
Posted by Campbell in Farewell Clogs (U14226916) on Monday, 12th December 2011
>>> whereas for those of us who've been affected by someone else's drinking it's always going to be more a question of what other people do<<<
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hmm, there's something in that too - I was very much 'affected' by my parents' drinking and hated it all but somehow still managed to let the very behaviour I'd hated as a child dominate a couple of decades of my own adult life. These days I'm just so happy to have got out of that ridiculous cycle myself that I don't feel I have to spend any time thinking about how others deal with alcohol. I leave that to them. It no longer has anything to do with me or how I live my life. -
Message 41
Posted by Fee (U3534148) on Monday, 12th December 2011
>and hated it all but somehow still managed to let the very behaviour I'd hated as a child dominate a couple of decades of my own adult life<
It's odd how often that seems to happen - you'd think it would defy logic but logic doesn't enter into it, of course. It makes me nervous, to be honest, although I know that there's nothing much I can do to stop it happening in the next generation. -
Message 42
Posted by stew black (U3146970) on Monday, 12th December 2011
Fee and Campbell - you have both given me a lot to think about. I'm very tired right now so I'll come back to you tomorrow.
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Message 43
Posted by doughy hood (U2352167) on Tuesday, 13th December 2011
Stew
I have a good friend at work (who was one of those who supported me so much in the early days, and still does) who enjoys an occasional glass of malt whisky. It use to amaze me that he would have one glass out of a bottle, and then return to the same bottle possibly months later to have a second! For me, screw tops only turned one way.
I suppose that I was being a bit selfish when I stopped, and there have been times since when the demon has said "go on, one won't hurt and no-one would know" that I have had to think "how could I tell my sponsor last week that I had reached 1000 days, and then next week say that it is only 7?" In some ways the potential shame of failure helps.
Hey-ho, that was a bit unexpected but I'll blame the time of year and SAD.
Doughy. -
Message 44
Posted by Fee (U3534148) on Tuesday, 13th December 2011
> In some ways the potential shame of failure helps.<
But you wouldn't have to tell him - so it is really because of how you would feel for yourself rather than what it would look like to others.
I hope the time of year is not getting you down, doughy (I wasn't quite sure what the last bit of your post meant). -
Message 45
Posted by doughy hood (U2352167) on Tuesday, 13th December 2011
Hi Fee
I wouldn't have to tell, but I would know. Still, I've over 5 years sober, am sober today, and have a sober life to look forward to, and it really is great waking up without a hangover >smiley<.
This time of year just gets to me. Sunday would have been my Dad's birthday, there are so many adverts on TV and elsewhere selling booze, and I go to work in the dark and it's dark about an hour before I knock-off to go home.
I suppose as well that it's just one of those days (I didn't sleep well last night, no especial reason) that I'll be able to look back on and say "that's past and I feel better today". At least I will be able to remember today tomorrow morning!
As I say, just one of those days when one feels a bit p'ed off but it will pass.
Doughy. -
Message 46
Posted by Fee (U3534148) on Tuesday, 13th December 2011
>I go to work in the dark and it's dark about an hour before I knock-off to go home.<
Yes, I hate it that there's no point in opening the curtains in the morning (although I do) at this time of year. Still only another couple of weeks and then the days will start getting longer again. -
Message 47
Posted by Flightless Anachronistic Bird (U6437464) on Tuesday, 13th December 2011
Still only another couple of weeks and then the days will start getting longer again.Â
I know it isn't noticeable straightaway, but the shortest day's in a week, so not too long to go. -
Message 48
Posted by doughy hood (U2352167) on Wednesday, 14th December 2011
Hi, a much better day today. The sun has been shining and I've managed to make a start on stowing away the stuff that was brought down from the loft when the insulation was replaced (about 18 months ago). This now means that I have room to see what needs doing, and how to tackle it.
I hope that everyone else is at least as well as can be expected.
Doughy. -
Message 49
Posted by Death Where Is Thy Sting (U15017382) on Wednesday, 14th December 2011
What a difference a day can make.
I'm in quite a lot of pain at the moment and have been so for several days. I was in tears at the weekend. I still hurt a lot but the sunshine we had earlier makes me feel better.
I have stuff that I keep having to step over but did make a little headway today when I sat and sorted some papers, shredding some and boxing up others. -
Message 50
Posted by BasiainBrooklyn (U505001) on Wednesday, 14th December 2011
Doughy and Blue, thanks for your posts.
I'm staying here in Brooklyn for Christmas, and while I will be homesick, I have a perfect opportunity to go through more boxes I've been too busy/reluctant to go through. I too have got used to stepping over them in one of my rooms, 16 months after I moved. If I'm not careful I can use it for some really efficient self-loathing.
Right, that's off my chest, I'm off to waste some time in ML before I get on with my day.
Thinking of Kris and her A.
Bashx
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