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Message 1.Ìý
Posted by Constance (U14594138) on Wednesday, 1st August 2012
Welcome to the Dog Club.
We meet when we feel like it. You may join in at any point, or you may just like to watch our antics before contributing - the choice is yours.
We are all friendly, with lots of different experiences of dogs and sometimes different views about things, but we share and we care.
Here is the link to the July DC thread:
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Message 2
Posted by dondy (U3463640) on Wednesday, 1st August 2012
Crumbs, August already. Thanks for starting the thread Constance.
Half way through day one of the month and we've already had to remove a tick and clean up after an attempted poo roll *
dondy
* Poo in msg 2 !!! Luckily stopped her before it got too bad so wet wipes did the job this time, no need for a full bath ! -
Message 3
Posted by Thursday Next (U2257911) on Wednesday, 1st August 2012
Thanks Constance. I used to remember to start some but recently I haven't a clue what day it is!
Getting ready for our next holiday away this weekend having only got home on Monday. -
Message 4
Posted by solwright (U14953337) on Wednesday, 1st August 2012
* Poo in msg 2 !!! Ìý
Just to ensure only true dog-lovers read the rest of the thread!
I scared my two a few minutes ago yelling in excitement at the GB rowing team. They're not used to noise like that. -
Message 5
Posted by Constance (U14594138) on Wednesday, 1st August 2012
You're welcome - I know what you mean about what day it is. I only remember because my phone is set to remind me it is a friend's birthday today.
I hope you are enjoying your shows and the meeting up with your friends. At least in a 'normal' summer there shouldn't be too much washing off of mud from vehicle, dogs and clothing - not sure if that's true this year though.
I am so looking forward to getting back on the circuit in just over a year's time. LME is now 6 months old and an absolute darling - but then I'm biased.
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Message 6
Posted by solwright (U14953337) on Wednesday, 1st August 2012
LME is now 6 months old and an absolute darling - but then I'm biased Ìý
About time for an up-to-date photo, Constance? -
Message 7
Posted by Constance (U14594138) on Wednesday, 1st August 2012
Your wish is my command - though she gets worried when I hold the camera in front of my face. I achieved this one by placing a biscuit on the ground and making her wait while I took the picture.
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Message 8
Posted by fellman (U14848647) on Wednesday, 1st August 2012
Your wish is my command - though she gets worried when I hold the camera in front of my face. I achieved this one by placing a biscuit on the ground and making her wait while I took the picture.
C
Ìý I love shelties at that gawky pre teenage stage Evie is in - but she wil make a spectacular looking dog
The slatted benchy thng for the new Greenhouse arrived at lunch time - so I have been gainfully employed assembling the dozens of component parts - fat pack natch!
So if anyoine has two housebricks handy to rub my ailing back down with ...!?
Shelties are reincarnated foremen - they simply have to over look everything you do
I had Drew and Cel sat less than 3 feet away all the time i was working on the thingy ma jig - totally mesmerised and enjoying the sun shine and nice breeze - whilst I sweated blood.AND today was successful in that I only braid my thumb twice with the hammer - whereas my last attemptat making post and rail fencing last year resulted in a broken finger!
Being ambidextrous means you are equally lethal with either hand!
Now how to teach them to bring me a nice cold drink of Dandelion and Burdock - to which I am semi addicted? -
Message 9
Posted by solwright (U14953337) on Wednesday, 1st August 2012
Thank you, she's just gorgeous. Beautiful colouring.
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Message 10
Posted by Constance (U14594138) on Wednesday, 1st August 2012
You have to keep focussed on the final outcome Fellman - your greenhouse bench will soon have pots and plants on and the bruises will fade!
Not sure how you get the Shelties to pour you a drink - perhaps they could be trained to tell Mrs F you are ready for the dandelion and burdock?
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Message 11
Posted by fellman (U14848647) on Wednesday, 1st August 2012
You have to keep focussed on the final outcome Fellman - your greenhouse bench will soon have pots and plants on and the bruises will fade!
Not sure how you get the Shelties to pour you a drink - perhaps they could be trained to tell Mrs F you are ready for the dandelion and burdock?
C
Ìý I would habe been better served focusing on the heads of the nails I was meant to be hammering instead of thinking what I could take cuttings of because it is too late to grow tomatos now!
Wouldn't work if they could ask Mrs F for Dandelion and Burdock- because Mrs f would merely send them back to ask me what my last servant died from!!
Big moon tonight and the owls are most vocal -
Message 12
Posted by Dapply (U2437462) on Thursday, 2nd August 2012
Way back in the days when we had three dogs, they used to have a drink of milk and a biscuit at about 7p.m. (spoilt? no!)
Desti then used to pick up all three drinking bowls stacked inside each other and present them to me. She was so pleased with herself and wagged her tail so hard she used to bash herself on the side with her own tail.
Hard to believe that she died 4 years this month. Still miss her. -
Message 13
Posted by Sad Border Collie (U2036041) on Thursday, 2nd August 2012
I'm mostly a lurker here but need to ask for a bit of advice today.
My just 3 year old border collie (yes I did give her a party!) has recently started leaking and dripping urine. The leaks - so a puddle - happened a couple of times when she is lying relaxing.
Oddly for about 8 hours overnight she doesn't seem to have any problems but these leaks and drips happen mostly late afternoon / evening. I've been reading about spay incontinence and guess it is probably that. She was spayed at 11 months.
(Sorry, I do go on at length when it is dog related!) Went to the vet today - a locum but very thorough and came away with Propalin to give her three times a day. He said I might be able to wean her off after a few weeks and the leaking may not recur.
I feel bad at the thought of having to give her medicine every day of what I hope will be a long life. Most of the studies I can find seem to say long term use is safe but the research isn;t done over many years.
I was hoping someone can tell me thay have used this medicine for 10years with no problems! I know of course that's no guarantee.
Feel a bit guilty that if she was 'in the wild' this wouldn't be a problem for her, it's just that I don't like pee in the house so am giving her drugs because of my houseproudness. Is that a bit irrational?
I am often rather irrational about anything BB related. Though also she is normally very clean and seems sheepish that suddenly there is a puddle.
Though the alternative of eostrogen replacement seems a worse option to me (I think?)
Thanks for listening and any thoughts so welcome.
QBC -
Message 14
Posted by Constance (U14594138) on Thursday, 2nd August 2012
Hi QBC, I understand your 'dilemma' about having given her surgery she wouldn't have if she lived wild, but then if you take the logic further - they wouldn't live in houses, be fed on a regular basis, walked on a lead, helped and treated when ill etc etc. And yes, I understand that you don't want pee in the house, I wouldn't either.
I'm afraid I have no personal experience of using any drug long term with a dog - but others may have. I had to use a drug on an elderly spayed bitch for the last year of her life for leakage problems; if I remember correctly only twice a day in her food and it was very effective.
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Message 15
Posted by Sad Border Collie (U2036041) on Thursday, 2nd August 2012
Thanks Constance,
I'm not thinking about surgery - though I have read that's a possibility. I think I have the same medine you used before. I have to give this 3 times a day. It's just that she is so young to start life-long medicine. I wonder how long Propalin has been used. I often feel safer using old drugs than new ones!
Or am I worrying too much?
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Message 16
Posted by cranberrymuffin (U14686184) on Thursday, 2nd August 2012
Hello QBC, thought I`d tell you about a male dog I once had who sadly died age 12, when he was about 6 or 7 (much older that yours) he started leaking and the vet gave him drugs, can´t remember what he was prescribed, any how I ended up changing his diet and the problem disappeared.
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Message 17
Posted by Sad Border Collie (U2036041) on Thursday, 2nd August 2012
HI Cranberrymuffin,
Thank you. 12 is not a huge age is it.
That incontinence might be influenced by diet sounds reasonable - I also always have to go very urgently after eating melons!
I've read that too much grain in a dog's diet is not good for incontinence. Do you remember how you changed his diet?
Cranberry juice is also supposed to be good for bladders of course!
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Message 18
Posted by fellman (U14848647) on Thursday, 2nd August 2012
Way back in the days when we had three dogs, they used to have a drink of milk and a biscuit at about 7p.m. (spoilt? no!)
Desti then used to pick up all three drinking bowls stacked inside each other and present them to me. She was so pleased with herself and wagged her tail so hard she used to bash herself on the side with her own tail.
Hard to believe that she died 4 years this month. Still miss her. Ìý Never had one do that Dapply what a clever dog!
Tansy who we lost 6 years ago now - and yes still miss her - had specific ideas of what constituted her bedtime and would drag a fleece from her basket from the kitchen and drop it at Mrs F's feet as strong hint. Mrs F has a nightly ritual of tucking the dogs up for the night in their baskets (Our dogs spoiled? perish the thought) -
Message 19
Posted by fellman (U14848647) on Thursday, 2nd August 2012
I'm mostly a lurker here but need to ask for a bit of advice today.
My just 3 year old border collie (yes I did give her a party!) has recently started leaking and dripping urine. The leaks - so a puddle - happened a couple of times when she is lying relaxing.
Oddly for about 8 hours overnight she doesn't seem to have any problems but these leaks and drips happen mostly late afternoon / evening. I've been reading about spay incontinence and guess it is probably that. She was spayed at 11 months.
(Sorry, I do go on at length when it is dog related!) Went to the vet today - a locum but very thorough and came away with Propalin to give her three times a day. He said I might be able to wean her off after a few weeks and the leaking may not recur.
I feel bad at the thought of having to give her medicine every day of what I hope will be a long life. Most of the studies I can find seem to say long term use is safe but the research isn;t done over many years.
I was hoping someone can tell me thay have used this medicine for 10years with no problems! I know of course that's no guarantee.
Feel a bit guilty that if she was 'in the wild' this wouldn't be a problem for her, it's just that I don't like pee in the house so am giving her drugs because of my houseproudness. Is that a bit irrational?
I am often rather irrational about anything BB related. Though also she is normally very clean and seems sheepish that suddenly there is a puddle.
Though the alternative of eostrogen replacement seems a worse option to me (I think?)
Thanks for listening and any thoughts so welcome.
QBCÌý Hi QBC
I had one bitch spayed at 6 who developed leakage problems and I understand you find this distressing
Propalin was issued and the problem went away, But I too had an aversion to long term drug usage and my vet told me tht Trixilix cough medicine for children contains the compnent part which works in Propalin - and by jove he was right.
I think I would google homeopathic medicine and search there for a 'remedy' for this. I know many vets Poopoo this but some at least work on dogs - and the dogs do not know they should - and I use them for upset stomachs and post op.healings.
Not come across a diet change helping in this problem- but always eager to learn. -
Message 20
Posted by Constance (U14594138) on Thursday, 2nd August 2012
I've just had a quick google and found this
It is American I think but seems to be a good starting point.
Hope it helps
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Message 21
Posted by Sad Border Collie (U2036041) on Thursday, 2nd August 2012
Thanks both, that is indeed a useful and full link C.
Fellman, that Tyxilyx works makes absolute sense because the componants of Propalin (as described by Mr Google) are decongestants.
But you are right. I'm going to see if a short, sharp dose of Propalin works and if not try homeopthic - my vet disapproves - and I undestand that from a eviidence based view.
I do respect that sometimes heavy medicine is necessary but if I have to treat her for hopfully many years, I prefer to try gentle ways first.
I'll let you know how things turn out after a few weeks. Thanks again.
QBC -
Message 22
Posted by Constance (U14594138) on Thursday, 2nd August 2012
You are very welcome and I have just scanned more of it and it mentions a lady - in Canberra - who I know! I met her at the World Agility Champs in Porto in 2001 and we shared a gite along with our friends at the 2003 World Agility Champs in Lievin, France.
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Message 23
Posted by cranberrymuffin (U14686184) on Thursday, 2nd August 2012
HI Cranberrymuffin,
Thank you. 12 is not a huge age is it.
That incontinence might be influenced by diet sounds reasonable - I also always have to go very urgently after eating melons!
I've read that too much grain in a dog's diet is not good for incontinence. Do you remember how you changed his diet?
Cranberry juice is also supposed to be good for bladders of course!
QBC
Ìý hi again qbc, I explained myself badly. What I was trying to say was that when he was 6 years old or so he had this incontinence problem and he was given medicine for it as it turned out he had tummy problems which cleared up beautifully with a change of diet. He died of cancer in the end. -
Message 24
Posted by Constance (U14594138) on Friday, 3rd August 2012
Here's a thought for dog clubbers to ponder.
Dogs obviously learn their name and know it refers to them not another dog. I can call in each dog by name and they don't move until they hear their name, so I'm sure they understand the 'me'ness of it.
So do they have names for each other if Man isn't involved and assigns them one? Obviously they don't assign human names to them, but is there a code or something that relates to an individual dog, and why would they? If they wouldn't and don't - how come they learn their names when we give them one? I use their names at times other than calling them, so it isn't always treat/fuss related.
And if they understand the uniqueness and 'me'ness of it, why don't they recognise themselves in a mirror as elephants and apes have been proved to do?
Just one of many thoughts whilst I walk the dogs each day!
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Message 25
Posted by fellman (U14848647) on Friday, 3rd August 2012
Here's a thought for dog clubbers to ponder.
Dogs obviously learn their name and know it refers to them not another dog. I can call in each dog by name and they don't move until they hear their name, so I'm sure they understand the 'me'ness of it.
So do they have names for each other if Man isn't involved and assigns them one? Obviously they don't assign human names to them, but is there a code or something that relates to an individual dog, and why would they? If they wouldn't and don't - how come they learn their names when we give them one? I use their names at times other than calling them, so it isn't always treat/fuss related.
And if they understand the uniqueness and 'me'ness of it, why don't they recognise themselves in a mirror as elephants and apes have been proved to do?
Just one of many thoughts whilst I walk the dogs each day!
CÌý A good question and one which has crossed my mind numerous times Constance - BECAUSE when I call mine in one by one to be dried if it is wet outside - If I call Drew - Drew comes - BUT the others will look at whichever dog whose name I call - not offering to follow him/her
I don't expect they think of him as Drew - nor Cel as Cel - but they do seem to associate my calling a name of a dog WITH that dog and happens all of the time so I can virtually rule out coincidence -
Message 26
Posted by dondy (U3463640) on Friday, 3rd August 2012
Names
Lily knows her name - it will even get a flick of the ear if said when she appears to be asleep.
She also seems to know our names (though OH and I are Mummy and Daddy - am I really saying this on a public message board ?!?!?), as we can say "find Daddy" or "find Mummy" or "find junior b" (won't use child's real name) and she always goes to the right person.
Do they maybe learn names as a sound which is associated with another creature, be it human or animal ? Would love to know.
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Message 27
Posted by fellman (U14848647) on Friday, 3rd August 2012
Names
Lily knows her name - it will even get a flick of the ear if said when she appears to be asleep.
She also seems to know our names (though OH and I are Mummy and Daddy - am I really saying this on a public message board ?!?!?), as we can say "find Daddy" or "find Mummy" or "find junior b" (won't use child's real name) and she always goes to the right person.
Do they maybe learn names as a sound which is associated with another creature, be it human or animal ? Would love to know.
dondyÌý Hi Dondy
too little research on this subject has been done of course - but I wouldlike to think dohs do have a capacity to link certain sounds (words) oand even phrases with actions
My first Sheltie Laird - who we had when we lived in a tiny terraced house - was wont to go ut to 'water the lamp post' directly outside our front door each night before retiring to bed.
The times varied enormously but one or the other of us would initiate the move to go to bed innitially by saying 'Ok bed time I think' we could and di have converstaions through which Laird slept soundly. but onhering these words would get up and go to stand by the frint door.
We strated to experiment with different words and phrases and after an amaxingly short time he learned these too
Using different ones of these phrases still proboked the same response from him
So we left out bed and used 'should we' - He learned that too as with 'Is it time'
All in all he must have known at least 10 different versions over the 14 months before we lost him to distemper. -
Message 28
Posted by Lilo (U12007400) on Saturday, 4th August 2012
A puzzler Constance, and I have nothing to contribute as to the "hows" but I know my two know each other's names. I also say "where's Dad?" and they go thundering upstairs to wake him up. He works very late hours, so they have to restrain their "poodleyness" until I give the command. They wait by the front door and I'll say..."Isaac OUT!" and Murph will stand back.
Yesterday saw amazing obedience from Isaac with the rattly box. In the the first walk that is. The second walk, he rushed around with Jack, an 8 month old ...cockerpoo (eek)...and yes I did restrain myself when the guy told me, because he obviously adored the little guy. He and Jack were obviously struck down with deafness. Ah well, it seems the problem with a lot of things stems from me, and the fact that I wasn't trying hard enough. Now we're really seeing progress with so many things.
Murph has been weighed on our new scales. Uh oh... 1kg to lose and stop eating his bro's dinners! Me? Oh the scales must surely be faulty.
So dondy, you aren't the only daft one with your Mummy and Daddy and I wouldn't worry about it. We'll leave the arguments about that one, for the next dog bashing threads in TB! The Olympics seem to have taken the attention away for a while.
Well I'm writing this in bed, the rain is lashing down the windows and the skies are grey. I'm staying here for now. Got to finish off a large painting for my friend's birthday. As Sod and his Law would dictate, I really love it and don't want to give it away! Trouble is, I rarely managed another one that is just as good. Artistic temperament and all that twaddle!
So, with my hand held to my brow, I'll leave you to enjoy your weekends with your gangs. Oh and Constance, I can't go without commenting on Evie! Oh that face, those eyes, my hands itch to get my pastels out! A pastel portrait of my two is on the huge list of things I want to do.
Talking of pastel portraits fellman...ahem...nudge nudge. -
Message 29
Posted by fellman (U14848647) on Saturday, 4th August 2012
A puzzler Constance, and I have nothing to contribute as to the "hows" but I know my two know each other's names. I also say "where's Dad?" and they go thundering upstairs to wake him up. He works very late hours, so they have to restrain their "poodleyness" until I give the command. They wait by the front door and I'll say..."Isaac OUT!" and Murph will stand back.
Yesterday saw amazing obedience from Isaac with the rattly box. In the the first walk that is. The second walk, he rushed around with Jack, an 8 month old ...cockerpoo (eek)...and yes I did restrain myself when the guy told me, because he obviously adored the little guy. He and Jack were obviously struck down with deafness. Ah well, it seems the problem with a lot of things stems from me, and the fact that I wasn't trying hard enough. Now we're really seeing progress with so many things.
Murph has been weighed on our new scales. Uh oh... 1kg to lose and stop eating his bro's dinners! Me? Oh the scales must surely be faulty.
So dondy, you aren't the only daft one with your Mummy and Daddy and I wouldn't worry about it. We'll leave the arguments about that one, for the next dog bashing threads in TB! The Olympics seem to have taken the attention away for a while.
Well I'm writing this in bed, the rain is lashing down the windows and the skies are grey. I'm staying here for now. Got to finish off a large painting for my friend's birthday. As Sod and his Law would dictate, I really love it and don't want to give it away! Trouble is, I rarely managed another one that is just as good. Artistic temperament and all that twaddle!
So, with my hand held to my brow, I'll leave you to enjoy your weekends with your gangs. Oh and Constance, I can't go without commenting on Evie! Oh that face, those eyes, my hands itch to get my pastels out! A pastel portrait of my two is on the huge list of things I want to do.
Talking of pastel portraits fellman...ahem...nudge nudge.
Ìý Ouch my ribs are tender Lilo!!
Still work in progress I am afraid Lilo!
So many things to do and what spare time I get - not to mention not hving a 'clear mind' just now for a variety of resaons - means the 'muse' is not upon me - and all that artistic twadle!!
But I will soon I hope see a glimmer of light throught clouds and find some 'ME' time and perhaps cut off my er and paint poppy fields too! -
Message 30
Posted by Lilo (U12007400) on Saturday, 4th August 2012
Morning fellman
Fidgety me couldn't stay in bed when there are so many things to think about, so I took the boys down to the beach (4 minutes walk away and aren't you jealous that I can hear the waves from my front door?). Grey misty, warm days like this, and not a single person down there. Miles of empty sand and shingle banks looming up, mist restricting the view of the Isle of Wight, waves looking good for the surfers, not big, but surfable. Oh listen to me, I gave up sailing years ago, hate swimming and detest lying about on beaches. My love is walking along them, alone with my thoughts and my boys.
I noticed something. The Viking has commented on this before, but I always laugh. They try to impress me by chasing each other, grabbing their tails, running in front of me tripping me up, playfighting, being silly. He says they want you to admire them as "boys being boys". Oh well, fanciful or not, it always makes me laugh, so they get the response they're after.
Now about this artistic muse. It's not twaddle. I've been a year or more without picking up a brush or pencil and beaten myself up about it. I once had a great teacher who told me that thinking, planning, reading, and creating in your head is part of the process. I often fiddle about sketching, sorting out my files, thinking, getting paint out to do colour charts, look online for ideas, look at other peoples' work, and then bam!
I painted for 12 hours on and off yesterday. Had a lovely long nap in the afternoon, deeply asleep with Murph as a hot water bottle, exhausted with the thinking and the doing. I finally put the finishing touches to it at 8pm last night and now have to tidy up the edges. I have a thing about untidy edges on paintings.
I may post a pic one day. I get a bit foot shuffly about my work. I can take criticism up to a point, but if anyone dares to say a child of 3 could do that....rar
Which reminds me of an old friend, a gnarled sailor who professed to know nothing about painting but admired a huge one of a Hawaain wave that hangs on my dining room wall. I showed him another one, and asked him to spend half an hour just looking and thinking about what he could see. The result was "a lawn with a covering of thick black ice, the sun is just coming out enough to melt a small patch and you can see the grass underneath". He then sat back stunned at his own imagination that he didn't know he had! This is why I loved teaching beginners. They drive you crazy wanting to be experts in two hours, but when the light shines...
Oh dear, I went off on one there, and nothing to do with dogs either!
They're both fast asleep now, covered in sand (oh joy) and hopefully a bit worn out with ballie chucking and seagull chasing and training not to bark or chase other dogs. Isaac scored 10/10 with two dogs, looked at one, looked at the rattle box and came straight back to SIT! A big lab roared out of a garden and confronted him. I said gently, good dog good dog...he just stood and looked! No barking, no jumping, nothing.
Blimey! I thought! The power of the choc drop!
I'll end with another thing he does now. I chuck ball with the stick thing, he retrieves it, I point the stick at the ground, and say GIVE! He circles me once and drops the ball and lays down on the ground. Every single time he does it, so I tried not saying anything and just doing the actions. YES! What a clever boy.
I'm really off now, filthy dirty, wet feet, perusing eBay for some good waterproof boots as mine are disgusting now.
One day you'll be able to say, you chatted online to that famous artist Lilo whose work is fetching millions. Sigh... -
Message 31
Posted by solwright (U14953337) on Saturday, 4th August 2012
Interesting meanderings on the thread in the last few days!
As one without an artistic bone in my body I very much enjoy looking at others' efforts and sometimes buying as well. I was at the Pittenweem Arts Festival the other day, where many of the exhibitions are in people's cottages or garages or gardens. Best on a warm sunny day, which it was.
Lilo, I hope these millions come to you while you're young enough to enjoy them. Fellman, come on, the brushes are lying there waiting. You have to make your millions too.
We've been having some summer this week, and very welcome it is. Senior girl gets a bit slow in warm weather but apart from that they're both fine. They think they love lying out in the sun, but after a while they disappear inside. Quite sensible really.
They'll be in kennels (ssshhhh) Monday to Wednesday while I go to a funeral in England. I'm sure they'll survive but they won't like it.
Hope everyone is enjoying the weekend. -
Message 32
Posted by fellman (U14848647) on Saturday, 4th August 2012
Interesting meanderings on the thread in the last few days!
As one without an artistic bone in my body I very much enjoy looking at others' efforts and sometimes buying as well. I was at the Pittenweem Arts Festival the other day, where many of the exhibitions are in people's cottages or garages or gardens. Best on a warm sunny day, which it was.
Lilo, I hope these millions come to you while you're young enough to enjoy them. Fellman, come on, the brushes are lying there waiting. You have to make your millions too.
We've been having some summer this week, and very welcome it is. Senior girl gets a bit slow in warm weather but apart from that they're both fine. They think they love lying out in the sun, but after a while they disappear inside. Quite sensible really.
They'll be in kennels (ssshhhh) Monday to Wednesday while I go to a funeral in England. I'm sure they'll survive but they won't like it.
Hope everyone is enjoying the weekend.Ìý I did used to make a modest amount from my daubs by 'loaning' Water colours of the lake District for sale to customers and they took 15% But NOW with such vastly improved printing techniques even I find it difficult sometimes to say that a given painting on soen's wall is a copy or an original
You can buy GOOD copies in any gift shop in the lLahes for £20 upwards these days
I also used to make some money on head studies and full body pastels of racehorses fr a nearby trainer where I sued to live. and of course I alwys do dogs for people - BUT they want them for free - and would rather put a blown up phot on their walls than a painting!!
So now I do it for te love alone - as and when I get the time!! -
Message 33
Posted by solwright (U14953337) on Saturday, 4th August 2012
Well, it won't make your fortune, but there's a lot to be said for doing something for the love of it.
It's why we have dogs after all. And with the cost of treatments etc it's just as well we love them! -
Message 34
Posted by What larks (U14260755) on Saturday, 4th August 2012
We are now looking after the overgrown Staffie while his owner is in hospital. He ( the dog!) is not his usual self at all and I actually think he is depressed. He jumps in the car readily enough for a walk, but then tries to return to the car after a very short distance. Once he just refused to get out of the car.
He is eating though, which is a relief. -
Message 35
Posted by solwright (U14953337) on Saturday, 4th August 2012
That's a shame, Skylark, and difficult for you. He probably is depressed. How long has he been staying with you? If it's only a day or two, he should pick up a bit soon.
When I was rehoming one of my late dogs I wasn't able to take her home with me immediately, so I went to the centre a few times to take her for a walk. She wouldn't go out of sight of the kennel building. One or two of the dogs I walked for the local pound were like that too, the poor things felt so insecure. -
Message 36
Posted by fellman (U14848647) on Saturday, 4th August 2012
Well, it won't make your fortune, but there's a lot to be said for doing something for the love of it.
It's why we have dogs after all. And with the cost of treatments etc it's just as well we love them!Ìý For some wierd reason I missed out the daubs were on loan to small hotels where they would hopefully be sold to residents
But yes you are are right Solwright - and with the exception of the Race Horse pastels (the commisioning trainer was a very wealthy man) I never felt comfortable in being paid for something which arguably gave me a lot more pleasure in creating than those I sold to got from owning
Especially uncomfortable for me was charging for dog commissions and would always prefer to paint for friends and acquaintances to whom I could gift the painting.
This is actually strange because I could direct you to a number of Sales Managers I used to buy from in a previous life who would say I was a tough negotiator who would squeeze them until their pips squeeked! -
Message 37
Posted by What larks (U14260755) on Saturday, 4th August 2012
Both dog and owner stay with us quite a lot. solwright, but the owner went into hospital on Thursday and the dog is obviously looking for him.
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Message 38
Posted by fellman (U14848647) on Saturday, 4th August 2012
We are now looking after the overgrown Staffie while his owner is in hospital. He ( the dog!) is not his usual self at all and I actually think he is depressed. He jumps in the car readily enough for a walk, but then tries to return to the car after a very short distance. Once he just refused to get out of the car.
He is eating though, which is a relief.Ìý Oh - that is a dilema skylark Poor staffie must be most confused, and quite insecure - and I hate seeing dogs in that position.
Is it likely to be a long term care situation? But it is good that his appetite has not suffered as I have heard of dogs in this circumstance who have simply just wasted away
I wish we knew more how our dogs think and reason - these situatins would be easier to cope with -
Message 39
Posted by solwright (U14953337) on Sunday, 5th August 2012
Both dog and owner stay with us quite a lot. solwright, but the owner went into hospital on Thursday and the dog is obviously looking for him. Ìý At least he knows you and your home well, Skylark, and it's only been a few days. As Fellman says, thank goodness the poor soul is eating. That's a good sign, even though he's pining.
Staffies are such affectionate dogs. I hope you see a difference soon. -
Message 40
Posted by What larks (U14260755) on Sunday, 5th August 2012
We spoke to the dog's owner last night. He is likely to be in hospital for at least another week, maybe longer.
We won't tell him his dog is pining or he will discharge himself!
I was thinking of taking the dog to beginners agility this afternoon, but I'm not sure he'll enjoy it. Anyway, we may well be visiting his owner! -
Message 41
Posted by Constance (U14594138) on Sunday, 5th August 2012
Hi Skylark,
This is probably going to sound a bit hard, but I've found looking after others' dogs that the few who pine are best treated as if nothing is wrong. I do believe you can't help a dog or person if you feel sorry for them. You understand their situation of course, so empathise, but behave as normal. So none of the 'it's OK, you poor thing, he'll soon be back' thoughts or words, but rather Right, you're here, everything's fine, let's just get on with things.
Positivity Wins, OK - perhaps I should have T shirts that say that!
I'm the same with people - it comes partly from having had a No Nonsense mother. But it is also logical. You can't bring his owner out of hospital any sooner, so this is the situation and we have to live with it; and dogs and people do like a positive team leader.
Hopefully the owner isn't fretting either and will be better before long. The dog is lucky having you to care for and about him.
C -
Message 42
Posted by What larks (U14260755) on Sunday, 5th August 2012
Yes, that's how our behaviourist tells us to act: upbeat and excited especially if the dog shows fear. But my "hey, let's play ball!" encouragement only works for short bursts; he's tail-between-legs and scrurrying home after a few minutes.
It may just be that he's tired, of course. He doesn't get that much exercise at home. He is very quiet, not his normal jolly self but we can get a tail-wag from him. -
Message 43
Posted by Lilo (U12007400) on Sunday, 5th August 2012
Skylark
Poor boy, I see a picture of him in my mind. Constance is right. You all know how we felt about Isaac, poor dog had had such an awful life, and me, being a real softy (had a mother totally the opposite to Constance!) who showered everyone with love and sympathy and cake, is sadly following her example. It's not good. My trainer/sitter T gave me one week to burble "poor little Isaac" and then said, "Right, it's time to train him and stop feeling sorry for him. This is his new life."
I know it's different for the visiting staffie as he'll go home again, but he's probably bewildered by the exercise as well as everything else. Early days Skylark, early days.
Oh how smug I feel saying that, the times you've all said it to me!
Isaac has been struck down with cloth eared deafness again this morning, playing with two crazy spaniels, racing round the field with Murph puffing next to them, he suddenly thought...oh yes...Mum's yelling recall! Back he came, sitting and waiting and being good, but oh...sometimes!! We need patience of saints.
Fellman
Well done for selling your work. I've only sold to friends, and I realised yesterday I give most of it away. Not a cheap hobby either. Ah well, as sol says, I gain such huge pleasure from painting.
Good luck with the staffie. -
Message 44
Posted by Lilo (U12007400) on Sunday, 5th August 2012
I have exhibited this year, but nothing sold. eBay is a hiding to nothing, and the pub who took my stuff, was the wrong venue. I'm going to do an Open Studio weekend with my friend next year. I think this is similar to what sol was describing. People do a visit to your studio or house or wherever, and are more likely to buy when you have a captive audience. Friend is moving down here in two weeks time to a lovely big house, so she says I can spread my stuff around and yak my head off to the punters!
Generous isn't it? -
Message 45
Posted by fellman (U14848647) on Sunday, 5th August 2012
Skylark
Poor boy, I see a picture of him in my mind. Constance is right. You all know how we felt about Isaac, poor dog had had such an awful life, and me, being a real softy (had a mother totally the opposite to Constance!) who showered everyone with love and sympathy and cake, is sadly following her example. It's not good. My trainer/sitter T gave me one week to burble "poor little Isaac" and then said, "Right, it's time to train him and stop feeling sorry for him. This is his new life."
I know it's different for the visiting staffie as he'll go home again, but he's probably bewildered by the exercise as well as everything else. Early days Skylark, early days.
Oh how smug I feel saying that, the times you've all said it to me!
Isaac has been struck down with cloth eared deafness again this morning, playing with two crazy spaniels, racing round the field with Murph puffing next to them, he suddenly thought...oh yes...Mum's yelling recall! Back he came, sitting and waiting and being good, but oh...sometimes!! We need patience of saints.
Fellman
Well done for selling your work. I've only sold to friends, and I realised yesterday I give most of it away. Not a cheap hobby either. Ah well, as sol says, I gain such huge pleasure from painting.
Good luck with the staffie.Ìý I have dogs who suffer from selective deafness too Lilo! Yet the same dogs can hear the creak of my chair here (or is it my bones) upstairs in the study- which means charcoal biscuits when I go down stairs
A fellow Rotarians wife is an artist ( not to my taste I nebve did like Congo the chimp's artistical offerings! Maiooooow!) who is VERY comercially minded and must have tried everywhere and anywhere to have her art seen by the public. Not an easy thing as s many galleries have a full quota of contrivuting artists and she too has tried the open house technique - with a notbale lack of success - but i wish you well
I have never entered asnything of mine in an exhibition and left the art society in Cumbria after a very short membership when I was told it was expected that i would agree to mine being hung!
You lot will never believe it - but i am quite shy really and not sufficiently endowed with self confidence in that area! -
Message 46
Posted by Constance (U14594138) on Sunday, 5th August 2012
Every dog has selective deafness in my experience. I think the term is self interest - this smell is more interesting to me than going to see my owner....................................Oh, he has food...Right, here I come then!!
I think it takes a lot of courage to put any part of yourself up for public judgement. I've never done art (except at school) and friends aren't always honest in their opinions, often not wanting to hurt your feelings if they don't like something you've created. My only experience of it is judging. Especially agility as there will always be people who don't like the course you set, as well as any criticism over actual penalty judging. I take consolation that the ones who moan most are the ones who never have the courage to do it themselves. Other judges are usually supportive and helpful.
So good luck Lilo with getting an appreciative audience and hopefully some sales of your artwork; and Fellman if you've managed to sell some pictures already, then your work has already been judged and found good - so go hang some! There is a Fine Arts Society in our locality, referred by some as having a second F in front of the second word!
C -
Message 47
Posted by What larks (U14260755) on Sunday, 5th August 2012
I'm impressed Fellman. We do all have lives outside dogs (I must remember that!)
Staffie came with some reluctance round the woods this morning: there were distant sounds of shooting which didn't help; he is an awful wimp and tends to freeze at the first sounds of a bang.
He spends soo much time with his owner at home that it is hardly surprising he misses him. They are usually in each other's company most of the time. -
Message 48
Posted by fellman (U14848647) on Sunday, 5th August 2012
I'm impressed Fellman. We do all have lives outside dogs (I must remember that!)
Staffie came with some reluctance round the woods this morning: there were distant sounds of shooting which didn't help; he is an awful wimp and tends to freeze at the first sounds of a bang.
He spends soo much time with his owner at home that it is hardly surprising he misses him. They are usually in each other's company most of the time.Ìý Hi Skylark
A wise woman once told me 'never be too easily impressed'! - this applies to me most accurately!!
But if I am goinf to paint I do want WHAT I paint to be recognisable and I remeber listening to a lecture by David Shepeherd - he who paints elephants and lions with startling lileness when he said that those who pant porteaits of peoplewith square heads and only one eye - do so becayse they are not abe to capture the likemess'!
I think I agree with this - ot washing to offend any Lowryites or Picassoists of course!! -
Message 49
Posted by solwright (U14953337) on Sunday, 5th August 2012
Phew! We're just back from a greyhound walk in a country park an hour from here.
We (dozens of greyhounds and their owners) were halfway round the loch when the heavens opened. I really was (yes literally, Lilo!) soaked to the skin, the jacket and boots I thought were waterproof aren't and the dogs looked like drowned rats. No stopping and sniffing, they couldn't wait to get back to the car.
I'd forgotten to take towels for them so gave them a very unsatisfactory rub with some vet bed.
Of course, I had no sooner started up the car when the rain went off. It was obvious after a mile or two that the downpour had been very localised and nowhere else had had a drop. I stopped near home to buy strawberries at a roadside stall and in my sodden trousers walked like John Wayne just off his horse.
I nearly bought this print at the Art Festival. I like waves and water. I might do yet but when I was in the Cairngorms I spent a LOT on a couple of originals, so not sure if I should.
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Message 50
Posted by dondy (U3463640) on Sunday, 5th August 2012
But if I am goinf to paint I do want WHAT I paint to be recognisable and I remeber listening to a lecture by David Shepeherd - he who paints elephants and lions with startling lileness when he said that those who pant porteaits of peoplewith square heads and only one eye - do so becayse they are not abe to capture the likemess'!
I think I agree with this - ot washing to offend any Lowryites or Picassoists of course!! Ìý
That's not strictly true of Picasso, is it Fellman? He could paint brilliantly in the traditional style too. I'm not a Picasso-ist, but fair's fair.
Before anyone complains that this post is not dog-related, Junior b has been having much fun using the various features in Photoshop to make strange portraits from photos of Lily. We have had shrink-wrapped Lily, distorted Lily, black -fur Lily, psychadelic Lily (you get the picture - no pun intended !)
There - art and dogs linked !
dondy
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