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Message 1.Ìý
Posted by Constance (U14594138) on Tuesday, 1st January 2013
It's a new year, so new bean bags and chairs in the Dog Club. Gather round the fire, forget the horrible wet weather and share your stories, experiences and friendship with other dog owners and people who just love these wonderful companions.
The December thread is here,
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Message 2
Posted by Constance (U14594138) on Tuesday, 1st January 2013
Just bumping this to put it above the December one.
Hope there aren't too many sore heads in the morning.
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Message 3
Posted by solwright (U14953337) on Tuesday, 1st January 2013
You were quick off the mark, Constance! Well done.
Happy New Year to all the dog lovers, and all the best for 2013.
Hope those on the enforced diet are feeling a bit better.
Lady Macbeth, is this a puppy I see before you? -
Message 4
Posted by Thursday Next (U2257911) on Tuesday, 1st January 2013
Thank you for setting up Constance.
A happy, healthy and peaceful New Year to you all and your dogs.
Enjoy your dogs. -
Message 5
Posted by Dapply (U2437462) on Tuesday, 1st January 2013
Happy New Year to all Dog Clubbers and their lovely canines.
Saffie says "woof" to all her friends. -
Message 6
Posted by fellman (U14848647) on Tuesday, 1st January 2013
You were quick off the mark, Constance! Well done.
Happy New Year to all the dog lovers, and all the best for 2013.
Hope those on the enforced diet are feeling a bit better.
Lady Macbeth, is this a puppy I see before you?Ìý Haha Just what I needed this morning to chase away the remnants of Hogmany melencholia!!
Thanks Solwright
Hope you all had a good one
Mrs F enjoyed he Shampoo last night and you all were well and trult toasted - like it or not!
Yes thanks Constance you are very bright eurd and bushy tailed this morning - unlike me!
But the sun is shining and we ar off to the cthedral to buy something for neigbout leaving to return to London - and grab a bite - IF anywhere is open!
Have a lovely year all and thaks again fr the past year -
Message 7
Posted by solwright (U14953337) on Tuesday, 1st January 2013
Thursday, remember to let us know if you're heading north of the border and have time to meet up.
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Message 8
Posted by Thursday Next (U2257911) on Tuesday, 1st January 2013
I certainly will. I'd love to meet up.
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Message 9
Posted by Mousemat (U3264982) on Tuesday, 1st January 2013
My sister, who had to have her lovely labrador put to sleep in August, agreed to take in and foster a starving and homeless rescue dog just before Christmas.
He's a black labrador and he was the skinniest dog I've ever seen - he had to be close to starvation. He had obviously been on the streets for some considerable time and has various behavioural and physical problems.
He is fixated on food - stealing whatever he can (including half the Christmas turkey). It's hardly surprising given his terrible life on the streets .
He's not completely house trained, although it may be be more that he's nervous about going outside in case he's not allowed back inside.
He's also very anxious and follows my sister everywhere from room to room. He gets worried if she takes him out for walks. She thinks he's afraid he's going to be taken out and left behind. It's rather pathetic, poor thing.
He seems to have a nice nature but at the minute it's hard to be absolutely sure. I think she'd keep him if he can settle. She knows it'll take time and patience, but there's a young baby in the family and she has to be careful.
Do the Dog Clubbers have any suggestions? -
Message 10
Posted by Thursday Next (U2257911) on Tuesday, 1st January 2013
Congratulations to your sister on the wonderful work she is doing with this poor dog. It sounds as if she is doing all the right things.
For the moment I would keep to short walks, maybe the same route each time, so that he learns that he is coming back home with her. I would ensure as well that each time she wants him to go out into the garden that she goes with him rather than sending him out on his own.
Is he cage trained? If not she could consider getting him a cage as a place of safety for him. It needs to have happy associations with it and must never be used as a punishment. Once he is happy going into it she could begin to shut the cage door for a short time but quickly returning to him so he learns she is coming back when she leaves him. It will also help when baby begins to crawl and walk, particularly if baby is taught that the cage is the dog's bed and that he mustn't be disturbed if he decides to go into it.
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Message 11
Posted by fellman (U14848647) on Tuesday, 1st January 2013
My sister, who had to have her lovely labrador put to sleep in August, agreed to take in and foster a starving and homeless rescue dog just before Christmas.
He's a black labrador and he was the skinniest dog I've ever seen - he had to be close to starvation. He had obviously been on the streets for some considerable time and has various behavioural and physical problems.
He is fixated on food - stealing whatever he can (including half the Christmas turkey). It's hardly surprising given his terrible life on the streets .
He's not completely house trained, although it may be be more that he's nervous about going outside in case he's not allowed back inside.
He's also very anxious and follows my sister everywhere from room to room. He gets worried if she takes him out for walks. She thinks he's afraid he's going to be taken out and left behind. It's rather pathetic, poor thing.
He seems to have a nice nature but at the minute it's hard to be absolutely sure. I think she'd keep him if he can settle. She knows it'll take time and patience, but there's a young baby in the family and she has to be careful.
Do the Dog Clubbers have any suggestions?
Ìý Hi Mousemat
You seem to have identified most of the remedies for the current problems - time to settle in being the proinciple one.
Does your sister know anything of the dog's immediate past history? And can you tell us from where she is fostering him/ The more information - the better the feedback from the ladies here who are the canine equivalent of the Oracle at Delphi!
Goes without saying that I echo your thoughts about ABSOLUTE care being taken with a baby in the house and a dog - a big dog who is from what you say - on edge - in a completely alien environment and perhaps with emotional issues. In fact and you may think this harsh for a committed dog lover to say - for which I apologise in advance - there would be steam coming out of my ears had my son and DIL introduced a dog in these circumstances and at this time of year into their home with my 2.5 month old Grand daughter.
I do wish you all and the dog of course the very best of good fortune in this and I am sure you willl be inundated with a lot of mre concise advice than my rather dire warning missive. -
Message 12
Posted by Mousemat (U3264982) on Tuesday, 1st January 2013
He was listed on the website of a local Lost and Found pet rescue website - a new animal charity group run on a shoestring by local people. He received initial vet care and they discovered that he was microchipped.
This led to the original breeder and initial name of the dog. The breeder attempted to get back in contact with the "owners", but from what has emerged it seems likely they had deliberately abandoned the dog. He may be around a year old, but with few socialisation skills.
My sister has had him back to the vet on several occasions to treat him for stomach problems (probably more due to the fact he was getting fed proper food!) and he's scheduled to go back next week to be neutered.
My sister is extremely careful never to leave the dog and baby in the same room but I agree with you that perhaps it wasn't exactly the best idea to take in an animal under these circumstances. She simply could not refuse when she saw how desperately he needed someone to care.
She wants to give him the best chance possible but accepts that if there is any indication of jealousy or aggression towards the baby that he'll simply have to go back to the rescue centre and hope that he can be rehomed in a quieter setting. She's under no illusions how likely that would be. -
Message 13
Posted by Constance (U14594138) on Tuesday, 1st January 2013
Hi MM,
Your sister has a kind heart and I hope she also has a steel resolve to go with it. Regulars in the dog club will not be surprised to hear me say that the first thing is NOT to feel sorry for the dog. It doesn't help, although entirely understandable. BTW why didn't the breeder offer to take it back?
Yes, a cage as Thursday suggests and entirely agree it is a place of safety, never punishment. It should be covered top and sides to create the cave effect. It should be big enough to allow the dog to lie flat out on its side and to sit without any part of its head touching the roof.
The fastest way to help a dog settle is to ignore it! A good pack leader is what all dogs need; this is about the dog's needs, not the people's needs. Establish from the outset what rules need to be in place long term and short term and stick to them. The biggest problem dogs have is inconsistency from their humans so they don't know what to expect or what is expected of them. Don't force the pace of gaining trust. Most people want to hug and pet the dog and tell them it's alright now, they are safe etc. Which is no use to any dog!
I have had some guest dogs who are worried by the disappearance of their owners. I don't 'allow' the owners to make the parting a big deal. They can hand the lead over, say 'bye dog' and walk purposefully away. I then let the dog wander in the living room without the others, and let it sniff and smell who's around and there are plenty of beds to lie on. What I don't do is try to touch it or make a fuss of it. They have all learned they are safe and if they stay a day or two are quite happy to watch what I'm doing and join in if they wish.
Yes to going outside with the dog and yes to very short walks along the same route - both good ideas.
I hope this helps - good luck to your sister and yes, not ideal with a baby so your sister is right to be prepared to send the dog back if it doesn't work out. If she's had a dog before it will be easier for her - hopefully.
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Message 14
Posted by Mousemat (U3264982) on Tuesday, 1st January 2013
Thanks for the responses. Everything you are saying makes sense. Unfortunately, with all the baby paraphernalia my sister really doesn't have room for a crate but he likes being under the kitchen table, so that's where she's put his bed, for now.
My sister is very consistent and the dog definitely sees her as pack leader at present. She reports that as he's beginning to feel more confident, he's starting to get a bit cheeky, so she has to be firm with him. It's making sure that the rest of the household do the same that's the tricky part.
Now that the business of christmas is over, things should settle down somewhat, so a routine is being set up that's not being disturbed by too many visitors etc.
I think she's doing her best with him and for him but is not committing her heart - just in case! -
Message 15
Posted by solwright (U14953337) on Tuesday, 1st January 2013
Your sister does indeed have a good heart, Mousemat.
On the plus side, your sister has had a dog before, and even better, a lab. If their reputations are anything to go by, they are the greediest dogs anyway.
My late whippet cross had had a bad time and had to fend for himself and he never lost the habit of stealing food, tho' of course I learned not to leave stuff within reach. That wasn't too hard as it's only me in the house. It's trickier with a family, I know.
From the start he was more independent than your sister's new lab, and was never happier than when in his bed all covered up, and if that wasn't possible, with at least his head and upper body covered, but I had realised from previous experience, and watching Pet Rescue on TV (!), what Constance has advised re not overdoing the affection and physical contact thereby reinforcing distress.
Your sister sounds very clued up. I wish her all the luck in the world with this dog and hope very much it works out well. -
Message 16
Posted by PinaGrigio (U11141735) on Tuesday, 1st January 2013
Happy New Year, everyone! We have waved off the last of our visitors, so we have all collapsed on the sofa and the dog is flaked out on the floor.
Beautiful day here so we went off en masse to the beach at Dinas Dinlle and got blown around on a bracing walk. Some brave souls were bodysurfing in the sea! Then up into the mountains for a pub meal, then home and to relax in the quiet (the Small is on his way home). And.....*nothing* needs doing from now until the weekend < huge smile >
Mousemat, wishing your sister every success with her Lab. Time will be her friend, I think, so hope it all works out. -
Message 17
Posted by fellman (U14848647) on Tuesday, 1st January 2013
He was listed on the website of a local Lost and Found pet rescue website - a new animal charity group run on a shoestring by local people. He received initial vet care and they discovered that he was microchipped.
This led to the original breeder and initial name of the dog. The breeder attempted to get back in contact with the "owners", but from what has emerged it seems likely they had deliberately abandoned the dog. He may be around a year old, but with few socialisation skills.
My sister has had him back to the vet on several occasions to treat him for stomach problems (probably more due to the fact he was getting fed proper food!) and he's scheduled to go back next week to be neutered.
My sister is extremely careful never to leave the dog and baby in the same room but I agree with you that perhaps it wasn't exactly the best idea to take in an animal under these circumstances. She simply could not refuse when she saw how desperately he needed someone to care.
She wants to give him the best chance possible but accepts that if there is any indication of jealousy or aggression towards the baby that he'll simply have to go back to the rescue centre and hope that he can be rehomed in a quieter setting. She's under no illusions how likely that would be. Ìý Hi Mousemat
Been out most of the day and see that some of our Vestal Virgins have been giving you just the right advice.
All too familiar a story of neglect and abandonment I am afraid and you would need a heart of titanium steel not to want to help such dogs. Folk like your sister are worth their weight in gold.
Your having said a little more about her and her resolve eases my concern considerably but yes I agree if my arm is twisted it is not the ideal environment to be undertaking this project and total vigilance is the only way to ensure all will be well. Do keep us posted with progress - your experiences may help others with similat queries in the future -
Message 18
Posted by fellman (U14848647) on Tuesday, 1st January 2013
Happy New Year, everyone! We have waved off the last of our visitors, so we have all collapsed on the sofa and the dog is flaked out on the floor.
Beautiful day here so we went off en masse to the beach at Dinas Dinlle and got blown around on a bracing walk. Some brave souls were bodysurfing in the sea! Then up into the mountains for a pub meal, then home and to relax in the quiet (the Small is on his way home). And.....*nothing* needs doing from now until the weekend < huge smile >
Mousemat, wishing your sister every success with her Lab. Time will be her friend, I think, so hope it all works out.Ìý And breath Pina!
Don't think I know that beach but I bet the pub lunch was great
We had lunch at Brown's Pie Shop on teep Hill which was an ancient house - and is reputedly the most haunted building in Lincoln! Don't I know how to give a girl a good time? Tomato spicy soup followed by Stout and Ale pie!!
But no - we do this pilgrimage at least once a year because it is where Mrs F and I went the very first NY Day I travelled down to see her - in 2000 - Milenium Day We had met only three times previously and very briefly
We got thrown out that afternoon so they could close - as we had talked an amazing 4 hours because I had to come clean with her and tell her of my poor - nay dire financial status following the defection of the first Mrs F some 3 years earlier - and that I was not a secret milionaire ready and able to whisk her off to the Bahamas! So that she could bail out if she wanted to - and indeed if she had any comon sense!
Which is how i and my three dogs came to be added to her rescue group of waifes and stays - comprising of 4 Shetland Sheep three hens two ducks 2 lop eared rabbits an assortment of guinee pigs three cats three cavaliers and an old Blue merle Rough Collie!
We laughed about it today because it was all so improbable - then and I do take her other places too -now!! -
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Posted by PinaGrigio (U11141735) on Tuesday, 1st January 2013
awww, fellman, sounds lovely! Actually, a pie shop sounds fab, so I'll join you on the cheap date bench, clearly.
Amazing how things can change in a blink - just got back from the vet's with Monty, who has managed to sprain his front paw today somehow. Suddenly this pm he started shivering and wouldn't/couldn't put any weight on the paw. So anti-inflammatories for him, and no exercise for a week other than brief opportunities outside for loo breaks. Gawd, I foresee a v frustrated dog in a week's time......ditto owners! -
Message 20
Posted by Thursday Next (U2257911) on Tuesday, 1st January 2013
Poor Monty. I hope he is soon ok.
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Message 21
Posted by Constance (U14594138) on Tuesday, 1st January 2013
Monty, who has managed to sprain his front paw today Ìý
That's a pity - hope you both survive the next few days and it all mends asap.
Did anyone see the Chris Packham programme tonight? Incredible sights and animals - but in particular polar bears who visit a place with 150 sled dogs pegged out and have learned to play with them - quite amazing.
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Message 22
Posted by PinaGrigio (U11141735) on Tuesday, 1st January 2013
thanks to you both for the good wishes. Much appreciated. Sir is dozing quietly now after an injection of painkillers so things have already started to improve, I think.
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Message 23
Posted by fellman (U14848647) on Tuesday, 1st January 2013
awww, fellman, sounds lovely! Actually, a pie shop sounds fab, so I'll join you on the cheap date bench, clearly.
Amazing how things can change in a blink - just got back from the vet's with Monty, who has managed to sprain his front paw today somehow. Suddenly this pm he started shivering and wouldn't/couldn't put any weight on the paw. So anti-inflammatories for him, and no exercise for a week other than brief opportunities outside for loo breaks. Gawd, I foresee a v frustrated dog in a week's time......ditto owners!Ìý Oh you are lovely Pina I will buy you the pie of your choice and throw in a bottle of your namesake too!
Poor Monty. I had a dog Bramble do this many years ago. Complete mistery how of course as these things usually are
Have you any Aconite homeopathic tablets? They are miracle workers for this and other injuries. A race horse trainer in Newmarket got me into them and they assist with a very quick healing process,
Bramble was always hyperactive and keeping her quiescent was about as difficult as it gets
Good luck -
Message 24
Posted by fellman (U14848647) on Tuesday, 1st January 2013
Monty, who has managed to sprain his front paw today Ìý
That's a pity - hope you both survive the next few days and it all mends asap.
Did anyone see the Chris Packham programme tonight? Incredible sights and animals - but in particular polar bears who visit a place with 150 sled dogs pegged out and have learned to play with them - quite amazing.
C
Ìý I got the last minute only of this Constance Pity - I forgot it was one. Hasn't the TV been dire this year over Christmas -? Or is it just me? -
Message 25
Posted by Constance (U14594138) on Tuesday, 1st January 2013
Well, we all like different things, but I haven't actually watched anything - that is sit and just watch the programme. I'm usually doing what I'm doing now - half watching the TV and using the computer. I've been updating the websites I look after and playing about as usual.
So, no, nothing really good on. Have changed my mind about Chris Packham and quite like and admire him now. I think he is being tipped to replace David Attenborough to present wildlife programmes. Wonder if Lilo likes him as he has and is a great fan of, poodles?!
C -
Message 26
Posted by solwright (U14953337) on Wednesday, 2nd January 2013
I'm just in from having dinner with friends, lovely steak pie since you're asking, the traditional New Year's Day meal. It tasted particularly good, and so it should as apparently most of a bottle of Cotes du Rhone went into the making of it. I see I'm in good company, fellman.
I haven't found much on TV this Christmas either, so amused myself the other night watching my recording of Doors Open and trying to identify the locations, mostly in Edinburgh. It really doesn't take much to keep me happy.
Sorry to see that Monty's not starting the new year in a fit and active state. Hope the anti-infs make a big difference very quickly. -
Message 27
Posted by Lilo (U12007400) on Wednesday, 2nd January 2013
Morning all.
Surfacing from a long day of napping, beach walking, napping, eating, napping and finally collapsing into bed to sleep.
Strained paws (poor Monty) new whippet (Constance is right of course about overdoing the "poor wickle fing" and sometimes I do wonder if she's Auntie T, because that's exactly what she told me about Isaac, all you do is reinforce the feeling that there's something to worry about.) and steak pie.
Re Chris Packham, yes I did know he loves poodles, but it doesn't make me love him I'm afraid.
Christmas telly. I watched Open Doors and loved it, mainly because I went all quivery watching Doug Henshall being dead ard. Didn't watch much telly, just a couple of dvd's and came out with my usual scathing comments about a particular SF that The Viking was longing to see. We get to the end, he tilts his head towards me and enquires "comments?". A. The dialogue (I just wrote diaglog, what a fabulous word that would be) was direst of dire. B. The story was a mish mash of leaping about from one robot and high building to another. C.Colin Farrell was alright, his biceps were particularly alright and both heroines looked so alike I became confused. D. I've never been so relieved when 2.5 hours came to an end.
He did ask!
So NYEve party. It was lovely, just lovely, lots of food, everyone there was determined to have a good time, I think all very aware of what an awful year my friend has had. A few casualties with bad colds and tummy bugs, but we carried on to the bitter end. I danced a lot, and regretted it next day, and also...did...not...drink!!
Anyone who knows me would be staggered, and when I say I didn't drink, I had half a tiny glass of bubbles at midnight. TV's neice came down to stay and to come and keep my friend's son company at the party. Very sweet, he has a massive "thing" about her, but she's now engaged to the wonderful boyfriend who was sadly working. I gave her a couple of pairs of redundant shoes and she paid me the compliment of saying I had "cool taste, not old lady stuff". I didn't know quite what to say, but TV assured me it meant a good thing. Hehehe
So! I was able to be Saint Lilo of the "Sad Boggers Cab Company" and ferry friends around the village. I kept up a cabbie impression about football, the government, state of young people today, and get aaat my cab you bunch of ingrates! Well, it kept me amused anyway. So I got home to the PBs, a glass of wine, and slept for a couple of hours before I was up again, and down to the beach of course.
Why didn't I drink? I made up my mind I wasn't going to, to see if I could have a good time without it. I could and I did and no headache next day. I've been brainwashing myself for some weeks now. We shall see. I'll excuse myself when I have special occasions or feel just plain in need!
So today it's lots of washing, ironing, getting ready for the long weekend trip to see my children and grandchildren and packing up christmas decorations that are at the gathering dust stage. TV has a complicated trip up there as he has to fit in a work meeting on the way on Friday and is going by train after I deposit him in the wilds of Surrey. PBs are off again to Auntie T, mud and their gang of pals. I spent yesterday draped in a blanket of "poodliness" on the sofa. Very warm and comforting. No wonder Mr Packham loves them. -
Message 28
Posted by fellman (U14848647) on Wednesday, 2nd January 2013
Well, we all like different things, but I haven't actually watched anything - that is sit and just watch the programme. I'm usually doing what I'm doing now - half watching the TV and using the computer. I've been updating the websites I look after and playing about as usual.
So, no, nothing really good on. Have changed my mind about Chris Packham and quite like and admire him now. I think he is being tipped to replace David Attenborough to present wildlife programmes. Wonder if Lilo likes him as he has and is a great fan of, poodles?!
C
Ìý Well I hope CP grows on me - which he hasn't to date!
With the study being upstairs and the TX down stairs I have a choice - either or!
But when I am hear - so is Poppy I don;t think she has thought much of the TV programmes either! -
Message 29
Posted by fellman (U14848647) on Wednesday, 2nd January 2013
I'm just in from having dinner with friends, lovely steak pie since you're asking, the traditional New Year's Day meal. It tasted particularly good, and so it should as apparently most of a bottle of Cotes du Rhone went into the making of it. I see I'm in good company, fellman.
I haven't found much on TV this Christmas either, so amused myself the other night watching my recording of Doors Open and trying to identify the locations, mostly in Edinburgh. It really doesn't take much to keep me happy.
Sorry to see that Monty's not starting the new year in a fit and active state. Hope the anti-infs make a big difference very quickly.Ìý Sounds posh nosh and deliceous solwright.
No scenes from Edinbutgh on TV at Hogmanay down here - so it seems to have been and gone without me noticing this year! -
Message 30
Posted by fellman (U14848647) on Wednesday, 2nd January 2013
Morning all.
Surfacing from a long day of napping, beach walking, napping, eating, napping and finally collapsing into bed to sleep.
Strained paws (poor Monty) new whippet (Constance is right of course about overdoing the "poor wickle fing" and sometimes I do wonder if she's Auntie T, because that's exactly what she told me about Isaac, all you do is reinforce the feeling that there's something to worry about.) and steak pie.
Re Chris Packham, yes I did know he loves poodles, but it doesn't make me love him I'm afraid.
Christmas telly. I watched Open Doors and loved it, mainly because I went all quivery watching Doug Henshall being dead ard. Didn't watch much telly, just a couple of dvd's and came out with my usual scathing comments about a particular SF that The Viking was longing to see. We get to the end, he tilts his head towards me and enquires "comments?". A. The dialogue (I just wrote diaglog, what a fabulous word that would be) was direst of dire. B. The story was a mish mash of leaping about from one robot and high building to another. C.Colin Farrell was alright, his biceps were particularly alright and both heroines looked so alike I became confused. D. I've never been so relieved when 2.5 hours came to an end.
He did ask!
So NYEve party. It was lovely, just lovely, lots of food, everyone there was determined to have a good time, I think all very aware of what an awful year my friend has had. A few casualties with bad colds and tummy bugs, but we carried on to the bitter end. I danced a lot, and regretted it next day, and also...did...not...drink!!
Anyone who knows me would be staggered, and when I say I didn't drink, I had half a tiny glass of bubbles at midnight. TV's neice came down to stay and to come and keep my friend's son company at the party. Very sweet, he has a massive "thing" about her, but she's now engaged to the wonderful boyfriend who was sadly working. I gave her a couple of pairs of redundant shoes and she paid me the compliment of saying I had "cool taste, not old lady stuff". I didn't know quite what to say, but TV assured me it meant a good thing. Hehehe
So! I was able to be Saint Lilo of the "Sad Boggers Cab Company" and ferry friends around the village. I kept up a cabbie impression about football, the government, state of young people today, and get aaat my cab you bunch of ingrates! Well, it kept me amused anyway. So I got home to the PBs, a glass of wine, and slept for a couple of hours before I was up again, and down to the beach of course.
Why didn't I drink? I made up my mind I wasn't going to, to see if I could have a good time without it. I could and I did and no headache next day. I've been brainwashing myself for some weeks now. We shall see. I'll excuse myself when I have special occasions or feel just plain in need!
So today it's lots of washing, ironing, getting ready for the long weekend trip to see my children and grandchildren and packing up christmas decorations that are at the gathering dust stage. TV has a complicated trip up there as he has to fit in a work meeting on the way on Friday and is going by train after I deposit him in the wilds of Surrey. PBs are off again to Auntie T, mud and their gang of pals. I spent yesterday draped in a blanket of "poodliness" on the sofa. Very warm and comforting. No wonder Mr Packham loves them.
Ìý I just new you would be dancing! Were any tables involved?
How noble of you playing taxi driver - I hope they tipped well
Interesting comment about the ladies looking alike because I have commented on this to Mrs F I can never tell one from another in the bodice rippers she leves to watch
I was submerged under a sea of shelties for a couple of hours last night and nodded off which is probably ehy i was awake at silly o'clocj today!
Have agreat time with your family -
Message 31
Posted by Constance (U14594138) on Wednesday, 2nd January 2013
Why didn't I drink? I made up my mind I wasn't going to, to see if I could have a good time without it.Ìý
I like a drink or two, but have never 'got' the thing about getting hammered to have a good time. I've tried to get my daughters to understand this but they still complain about hangovers. It is the company that makes a good time in my view.
I think CP is better on his own as a presenter, not on Springwatch or whatever.
Last time I looked Lilo I was me, not Auntie T, but of course the fundamental truths about dogs will be held by many of us.
It's a dry day here so far, which is good as I have some very soggy sheets to hang out as our w/machine has died and won't rinse and spin. The new one won't be here until Saturday. I think the number of dog towels and vet beds it's had to wash of late has been the last straw!
C -
Message 32
Posted by fellman (U14848647) on Wednesday, 2nd January 2013
Why didn't I drink? I made up my mind I wasn't going to, to see if I could have a good time without it.Ìý
I like a drink or two, but have never 'got' the thing about getting hammered to have a good time. I've tried to get my daughters to understand this but they still complain about hangovers. It is the company that makes a good time in my view.
I think CP is better on his own as a presenter, not on Springwatch or whatever.
Last time I looked Lilo I was me, not Auntie T, but of course the fundamental truths about dogs will be held by many of us.
It's a dry day here so far, which is good as I have some very soggy sheets to hang out as our w/machine has died and won't rinse and spin. The new one won't be here until Saturday. I think the number of dog towels and vet beds it's had to wash of late has been the last straw!
C
Ìý I suffered with hangovers BADLYwhen I was very young and even more foolish but I drink sparingly probabl because of the morningaftr effects. But I am usuallu stupid and don;t need drink to ake me so - In fact I am more likely to fall asleep than to dance a jigafter a coupleof pints! -
Message 33
Posted by fellman (U14848647) on Wednesday, 2nd January 2013
Why didn't I drink? I made up my mind I wasn't going to, to see if I could have a good time without it.Ìý
I like a drink or two, but have never 'got' the thing about getting hammered to have a good time. I've tried to get my daughters to understand this but they still complain about hangovers. It is the company that makes a good time in my view.
I think CP is better on his own as a presenter, not on Springwatch or whatever.
Last time I looked Lilo I was me, not Auntie T, but of course the fundamental truths about dogs will be held by many of us.
It's a dry day here so far, which is good as I have some very soggy sheets to hang out as our w/machine has died and won't rinse and spin. The new one won't be here until Saturday. I think the number of dog towels and vet beds it's had to wash of late has been the last straw!
C
Ìý I suffered with hangovers BADLYwhen I was very young and even more foolish but I drink sparingly probabl because of the morningaftr effects. But I am usuallu stupid and don;t need drink to ake me so - In fact I am more likely to fall asleep than to dance a jigafter a coupleof pints!Ìý Just tagging on
Type this into your nrowser. iy is ashort film of dogs at The Amsterdam International Dog show 1922
Thursday witll bevery interested in part and solwright tooperhaps Some breeds are soooo much better now thena then!!
www.filmnedderland.nl/film/hondententoostertelling -
Message 34
Posted by Constance (U14594138) on Wednesday, 2nd January 2013
fellman - have you got your fat fingers on tonight?! It doesn't work as an address, so I think there may be a letter or two that's not right. Can you copy and paste from the site to give us a direct link or tell us what to put into the search engine?
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Message 35
Posted by solwright (U14953337) on Wednesday, 2nd January 2013
Constance, I got into it by googling the title in English. Try this:
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Message 36
Posted by fellman (U14848647) on Wednesday, 2nd January 2013
fellman - have you got your fat fingers on tonight?! It doesn't work as an address, so I think there may be a letter or two that's not right. Can you copy and paste from the site to give us a direct link or tell us what to put into the search engine?
C
Ìý Oh bogger
I thought I had copied it properly. Thank heaven for solwright
Have had a dead finger day today - dropped a bottle of sauce in the village shop this morning! -
Message 37
Posted by Thursday Next (U2257911) on Wednesday, 2nd January 2013
Yes, I have seen this before. Very interesting. I hate the cropped ears and the short leads.
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Message 38
Posted by fellman (U14848647) on Wednesday, 2nd January 2013
Constance, I got into it by googling the title in English. Try this:
Ìý Well done that girl. I just knew thai Sids (Not a typo)Law would apply in this
Did you like the greyhounds? -
Message 39
Posted by solwright (U14953337) on Wednesday, 2nd January 2013
Yes i did like the greyhounds. I was shocked at the number of dogs with cropped ears.
There was certainly less emphasis on grooming in these days.
What were the very first dogs shown with the curlyish coats and greyhound-like heads? Borzoi maybe?
Thursday's griffons were there, but where were the shelties? -
Message 40
Posted by Thursday Next (U2257911) on Wednesday, 2nd January 2013
Yes, Borzois. Two lots of Griffons in fact, Petit Brabancons which are the smooth coated Griffons and Griffon Belge which are rough coated Griffons. We only have one breed in this country including the three breeds they have on the continent.
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Message 41
Posted by fellman (U14848647) on Wednesday, 2nd January 2013
Yes i did like the greyhounds. I was shocked at the number of dogs with cropped ears.
There was certainly less emphasis on grooming in these days.
What were the very first dogs shown with the curlyish coats and greyhound-like heads? Borzoi maybe?
Thursday's griffons were there, but where were the shelties?Ìý Shelties didn;t OFFICIALLY reach the continent - until the 1930's solwright. It took them quite a long whileto appreciate our lovely breed as they were officially recognised by the KC in 1914!
Nope - not a lot of grooming - and loved the man handling with a large cigar!! -
Message 42
Posted by fellman (U14848647) on Wednesday, 2nd January 2013
Yes, Borzois. Two lots of Griffons in fact, Petit Brabancons which are the smooth coated Griffons and Griffon Belge which are rough coated Griffons. We only have one breed in this country including the three breeds they have on the continent.Ìý Thought the Griffons were interesing Thursday and some of the breeds - apeared to have made up names or else never developed into proper breeds. Loved the Japanese Chin - which they deemed to be a spaniel. And the Irish Terriers they showed lookd remarakably like Gorden Setters to me!
If i can answer solwright on this mail - I can remember all or practically all boxers on the continent having cropped ears well into the seventies Some Dobes too - and of course they could be imported here to be bred from - and were - but could not be shown. -
Message 43
Posted by Constance (U14594138) on Thursday, 3rd January 2013
Thanks Solwright, I didn't know the English version!
Very interesting - I hate cropped ears and tails, but liked the Boxers' longer noses. The handling skills of those chaps including the one smoking seem to need improving. One seemed close to whacking his dog then seemed to remember where he was.
Sorry to hear about the sauce bottle fellman - are we permitted to know the kind of sauce? Or are we talking euphamisms here? My dad used to refer to booze as sauce sometimes!
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Message 44
Posted by solwright (U14953337) on Thursday, 3rd January 2013
In the film there were the greyhounds, then a bit later one called Engelsche Hazewind. Windhond is sighthound, but I don't know what this dog is. There's a discussion about it on a dog forum and someone suggested a whippet, but it looks nothing like a modern whippet, bigger and broader looking.
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Message 45
Posted by fellman (U14848647) on Thursday, 3rd January 2013
Thanks Solwright, I didn't know the English version!
Very interesting - I hate cropped ears and tails, but liked the Boxers' longer noses. The handling skills of those chaps including the one smoking seem to need improving. One seemed close to whacking his dog then seemed to remember where he was.
Sorry to hear about the sauce bottle fellman - are we permitted to know the kind of sauce? Or are we talking euphamisms here? My dad used to refer to booze as sauce sometimes!
C
Ìý HP Brown Is there any other for a northerner?
Gosh your fanily must have been posh caling booze sauce!!
In thse days it was notunusual to attract the attention f the dogin the ringby havingan accomplise wo threw acat in the middle of the ring and pulledthe b podr creaty ure back tothe side on string tied to its hand leg!
I fear animalhusbandry was not then a presing requirement! -
Message 46
Posted by fellman (U14848647) on Thursday, 3rd January 2013
In the film there were the greyhounds, then a bit later one called Engelsche Hazewind. Windhond is sighthound, but I don't know what this dog is. There's a discussion about it on a dog forum and someone suggested a whippet, but it looks nothing like a modern whippet, bigger and broader looking.Ìý I wonder if this is a made up name for what was really a greyhound?
Certainly classifications in those days were difficult to understand and at the early shows between 1908 when shelties first appeared in the ring and 1914 they were variously sheduled as Any Variety Sapaniels or Any variety Collies.
Communication between countries was patchy to say the least - and I suppose realistically with little way to check things out - anyone on the continent could claim thre dog was ant breed thy chose to say it was
Certainly not a whillet of the time as they wer VERY small and nearer the size of an anxestor the Rnglish Black and Tan terrier or the Manchester Terrier - Both of these breeds have very little superficial differences even now - and the ancestor may ave been either - or both -
Message 47
Posted by PinaGrigio (U11141735) on Thursday, 3rd January 2013
Just nipping into make sure that poo features on the first page of this month's thread - as you know we are on restricted exercise at the moment because of a sprained paw. Under vet's orders we are walking Monty on his lead and only for very short distances ie really only for loo breaks. Unfortunately this doesn't seem to be working and he hasn't now 'been' since Tuesday lunchtime. Should I be worried? He is eating ok so I would have thought there would be a need by now. Does anyone have any tips for something we could give him which might, erm, encourage him to go? I don't want a constipated dog as well as one with a sprained paw!
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Message 48
Posted by Thursday Next (U2257911) on Thursday, 3rd January 2013
You could add a little oil to his food and maybe some raw liver (but not too much). I wouldn't worry too much yet but just keep your eye on him.
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Message 49
Posted by Constance (U14594138) on Thursday, 3rd January 2013
Is it because he's on the lead? I've had various dogs who would not go if on a lead unless very desperate. Two days isn't so long given my recent experience with Gertie and before her my collie when I first had him. Also the act of walking briskly or running usually encourages evacuation and as he can't do either things his innards may be sluggish. So yes, a little oil or some morsel of slightly richer food should do the trick.
Gertie had a bit of an upset tum t'other day and found she could wee and poo whilst out on the lead. Yesterday she took herself to the rough lane verge for a pee - yippee! Progress. We are away for a couple of days soon so I hope she feels able to be relieved then.
Basics of conversation now firmly established!
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Message 50
Posted by Constance (U14594138) on Thursday, 3rd January 2013
Posh - ha! Both my parents were from London, though didn't have Cockney accents. Maybe sauce for booze was an RAF term? He did a bit of service during the war.
This might shock you - I've never tasted HP sauce!
C
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