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Chris Beardshaw killed my hebe
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Message 1.聽
Posted by Rhoda Dendron (U2176380) on Thursday, 3rd November 2005
Further to an earlier discussion where I remarked on the fact that Chris Beardshaw had, in effect, killed my hebe by stating that they could be cut back and would come again. Has anyone else found advice given by the TV gardeners lacking?
Unfortunately now that the government are seeing fit to tighten up on the No Win, No Fee companies it looks like I won't be able to claim compensation for my dead hebe and the traumatic effect this has had on me.
I once followed advice given on How Clean is Your House and shoved a load of salt and baking powder (or something) down my shower drain hole in order to clean it. Unfortunately it set like cement and clogged up the shower drain. I spent hours poking a stick down the plug hole at it trying to chip bits off until I hit on the brilliant idea of pouring hot water down!!
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Posted by Dame Wombat (U2332024) on Thursday, 3rd November 2005
Oh Rhoda, that's no good! But I think we've just discovered the title and theme of CB's next TV programme. Actually, now he's in the C4 stable his new programme might be a lot more like Kim & Aggie than you'd imagine.
They are great, aren't they (apart from wrecking your shower), but why can't they use mr muscle like a normal person? I love programmes like that, no matter how untidy my own home is it always looks immmaculate compared to the ones they visit.
You could try for compensation for your hebe, but you would probably have to take it for an autopsy - which might be rather traumatic. -
Message 3
Posted by Rhoda Dendron (U2176380) on Friday, 4th November 2005
Perhaps they could do a series called 'How Clean is Your Shed'? Mine is usually pretty horrendous and I can't get in to clean it because it is full of the OH's collection of barbeques, a completely useless garden vac which we got on some 'points make prizes' deal and only ever comes out once a year to remind us that it isn't really suitable for our garden and it is quicker to sweep the leaves up, assorted pots, various sticks and bits of netting that will never come in useful, rusty shears, two different sorts of lawn rake (we no longer have a lawn) multiple bottles of pond (water feature really) clear and snail killer (there are multiple because you can't get in the shed to find them when you want them and therefore have to buy another)etc. etc. And of course my large collection of spiders which is why I have to clean the shed and not the OH who is even more frightened of them. Anyway it had to be cleaned out at the weekend as the garden table needed storing in there for the winter so I cleared everything out and hoovered in there (I made the OH change the vac-bag afterwards because it was full of spiders that had been sucked up the nozzle but I didn't tell him that until he was in the middle of doing it, ha ha!!)
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Message 4
Posted by grammarnatsi (U2379487) on Friday, 4th November 2005
Nice one Rhoda
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Message 5
Posted by Dame Wombat (U2332024) on Friday, 4th November 2005
Hi Rhoda. I would sign up for How Clean Is Your Shed - heaven knows I need some professional guidance there!
My shed is the old outdoor toilet - the toilet itself has long since been removed, at least I think it has, I have never ventured that far inside the door, now that I think about it. Usually I just stand on the doorstep and sling stuff inside. In my defence, I am quite diligent about an annual clean-up, something I usually do on a cold crisp day in the depths of winter, when I am hankering to get back out into the garden again. Head injuries prevented me doing the annual tidy this year, so the shed is a bit of a tip now.
I know I have mice, as all the freesia bulbs I bought in Guernsey last year got scoffed over the winter. Or maybe it is just one very obese mouse. Also plenty of spiders - I loved your idea about making the OH empty the vacuum bag, although we now have a filter type vacuum, so I guess we'd just ended up with a contaner of puree'd spiders. So part from the spiders and the mice, the inside of my shed is just a large pile of assorted pots, seed trays, hanging baskets and compost.
I don't know what is behind my garden things, except that it's stuff the previous owners left there. And possibly a toilet. -
Message 6
Posted by Toadspawn (U2334298) on Friday, 4th November 2005
Rhoda -
This is 'tongue in cheek' so no offence intended.
There is no such thing as an expert, there are people with varying degrees of experience. There is a definition of an expert -
ex = a has been
spert (spelt spurt) = a drip under pressure
Unfortunately with gardening (as with many things) there are rules/guidelines which everyone has to follow because they have been proven over the years. However there are the 'experts' producing rules/guidelines because that what they believe they are good at which may work for you but not for someone else. I guess you were unfortunate that your Hebe died because the guidlines CB gave did not work for you. Never mind its either a case of trying again with adaptations to suit you or thinking 'great' some more space to put in another plant.
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Message 7
Posted by Heldobaggins (U2344450) on Friday, 4th November 2005
Gosh, golly and I'll be blowed. Rhonda you are tres posh to be vaccuming out your shed! Mine is an unbelievable tip. You would faint. You would run a mile. I have mice living in a terracota plant pot which has a pile of plastic plant pots on top of it for a roof. For their bed they have nicked my string and for dinners they have nicked my bulbs. Ho hum. I like it in there though.
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Message 8
Posted by valleygerald (U2387267) on Sunday, 6th November 2005
I have seen on this web site many times just to prune back HEBES and they will come again, that is true up to a point but before giving that advice you need to no the specie or cultivar, for many HEBES will not recover from hard pruning, there are many hundreds of HEBES some will recover and some will not break from hard wood as with LAVENDULA.
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Message 9
Posted by Rhoda Dendron (U2176380) on Monday, 7th November 2005
Thanks for that Valley Gerald. I have a few hebes and I have pruned some before but never seem to get it right. The one in question had outgrown its space and I would have had to replace it anyway. The only problem is that having waited for the old one to grow its leaves back I have now missed the opportunity to replant there this year I think, and it always provided colour and form over the winter. Also I want to replace with the same but can't remember which one it was - a small variety, compact with greyish green slightly pink variegated leaves the outer edge going very pink in the winter.
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Message 10
Posted by Rhoda Dendron (U2176380) on Monday, 7th November 2005
I just looked on Crocus and in fact it is called (can you believe this in the 30 seconds its taken me to get back from Crocus I have forgotten what it was... something like Red Rim I think).
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Message 11
Posted by Twospot Ladybird (U1275458) on Monday, 7th November 2005
Hi Rhoda, would it have been Hebe 'Red Edge'?
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Message 12
Posted by Obelixx (U2157162) on Monday, 7th November 2005
Hi Rhoda - Most hebes self prune here. The cold zaps them to the marrow so I gave up until I spotted a purply leaved one I couldn't resist and planted it out in the most sheltered spot and it survived last winter OK.
I have to say I gave up on chemicals for cleaning after seeing that vinegar, in various strengths and with and without bicarb, would do the job. Had a nasty experience with serious sink unblocker chemicals once - poured some down but it didn't work so called a plumber who advised a different product. Unfortunately the two weren't compatible and exploded back up the pipe, taking out the U bend, the pipes, the fancy new mixer tap and the stainless steel sink. Heap expensive fixing all that and changing plumber!
We haven't got a garden shed but we do have an ex barn with a bullshed. It has a fine spider collection as well as birds and probably rodents nesting in there as well as the mowers, strimmers, rotavator, garden chairs, an old school bench, a friend's deceased mum-in-law's furniture and stuff I've bought to do up in winters when I can't get out in the garden. Frightening really.
We did clean it all out and install lights and hifi and heaters and the old cane settees for my 50th birthday party which was a blast but it seems to have filled with clutter again. -
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Posted by Rhoda Dendron (U2176380) on Monday, 7th November 2005
Thanks Twospot - yes it was Red Edge. Having just driven round several horrible garden centres (which seem to have been turned into Christmas Grottoes at the expense of actually having any plants, or tulip bulbs that I particularly wanted, and one of which I got lost in and started to feel quite panicky) I am now thinking that I will order the Hebe from Crocus.
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Message 14
Posted by Rhoda Dendron (U2176380) on Monday, 7th November 2005
Hi Obelix
I'm sorry your exploding sink story really made me laugh although I bet it wasn't at all funny at the time! I'm a great fan of using vinegar to clean stuff, we get a great deal of limescale deposits from the water here and a slightly thinned down vinegar solution cleans it off a treat.
How was your hols? Were you going for a curry in London? I'll check the OTGF stuff in case you have already answered these. -
Message 15
Posted by Lord Steve (U2064703) on Monday, 7th November 2005
Welcome back, Obelixx! How was your trip?
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Message 16
Posted by Obelixx (U2157162) on Monday, 7th November 2005
A nightmare. I shall post the gory details on OTGF!
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Message 17
Posted by Loopyloo (U2362575) on Wednesday, 9th November 2005
Ho hum. I like it in there though.聽
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Message 18
Posted by Trillium (U2170869) on Wednesday, 9th November 2005
Rhoda - is yours as bad as this?
Admittedly this was before I tidied it up earlier in the year, but it's almost as bad again now.
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Message 19
Posted by Rhoda Dendron (U2176380) on Thursday, 10th November 2005
Trillium - I think you are the one who should be nominated for a visit from 'How Clean is my Shed?'
I laughed so much its made my cheek muscles ache! I recognize most of the objects though - I just have them in a different order and hanging off the walls and stacked up on shelfs. I'm going to have to learn how to post some photos. -
Message 20
Posted by Trillium (U2170869) on Thursday, 10th November 2005
Thought that would make you feel better!
Apparently I did the same as a teenager - dress up to the nines to go out and leave my room like a bomb-site.
Now, I'll spend the whole day in the garden making it just so, leave it too late to clear up properly, bang everything in the shed and shut the door on it. Same old problem - just 30 years older! -
Message 21
Posted by Obelixx (U2157162) on Thursday, 10th November 2005
Might I suggest spending a rainy weekend putting up shelves and hooks for all you paraphernalia and maybe a light so you can see it in the dark?
I can never find anything unless it's put away properly. I recently found a long lost trowel lurking under all thenasturtiums when i went to yank them out to plant some bulbs in their place. Only 2 more to find now! -
Message 22
Posted by Trillium (U2170869) on Thursday, 10th November 2005
You are right of course, I shall meekly slide away and do better. There are some hooks and shelves on the right - just out of shot, but not enough. It's all the pots and trays(several hundred), cloches, chicken wire, empty compost bags and big gadgets that take up the space - I keep everything!
I do need a light - I'll do any DIY except plumbing and electrics. I asked OH a few weeks ago who went off and bought a load of stuff at BeeandQueue and then announced that it's illegal to outside wiring yourself these days. So now I need an electrician. But at least if I get someone in it will get done! -
Message 23
Posted by largechilled (U2433435) on Sunday, 20th November 2005
i have always trimmed my hebes, by cutting all dead wood out and any long pieces. if they don't do well then i dig it up, and place it in a smaller pot with a bit of tlc, until it starts to regrow with strength and then put it out in a different plot. also give the garden a good mulch summer and winter with well rotted muk or leaf mould.
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Message 24
Posted by stevford (U2070686) on Sunday, 20th November 2005
I take cuttings from hebes if they are to be drastically pruned. Re: sheds. Buy a new shed and and leave it empty and it will always be tidy!
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Message 25
Posted by malibu (U2338974) on Sunday, 20th November 2005
Ah you see, now there's always a clause in the advice... Did you clean your secateurs to prevent the spread of disease ?. Whenever I kill a plant off by doing the wrong thing I always explain to my wife that some sort of viral infection must have been to blame. And joking aside, it may have been another factor and not the pruning that did it in. -
Message 26
Posted by Norfolk-boy (U2465679) on Sunday, 20th November 2005
Thoughts on this 'expert advice' then please fellow veg growers: every piece of literature I have ever read says not to grow root crops in soil that has been recently manured as it makes the roots fork. Mr Don advises just the opposite in his Observer column today! But he does also say that a lot of his carrots are knobbly and mis-shapen... is this two fingers up to the supermarkets' demands for 'perfect' veg? Just a thought!! Jez
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Message 27
Posted by Obelixx (U2157162) on Sunday, 20th November 2005
HI Trillium - I've found both the missing trowels. One was hiding in the nasturtiums so appeared when I pulled them all up and the other was buried in a pile of empty pots. Tut!
My hebe has survived this recent cold snap - fingers crossed for the rest of the winter - but it's been too cold to garden so still lots of plants to move and still some bulbs to plant. Easy now I've found the trowels. Just need a warmish spell. -
Message 28
Posted by hi-fi- (U2535708) on Sunday, 20th November 2005
Hi Rhoda, sorry to hear about your hebe. I remember the advice (but not quite when) and I prune mine hard back too. However, I set it as a test, as it needed pruning back hard (hand me down from last owners) and so I pruned half the straggly branches and left half. I was really concerned, but it has budded well over the summer and i now have some lovely little shoots and so will cut the rest of the stragglers in the spring (was that when we pruned it?!?)
As for the shed, as I am off currently I have tidied mine ready for winter and to fit all my pots back in (another job done recently). Although it is only a year old, I have a spider too, but it means that it must be dry! I found 2 mice when I turned the compost heap recently(thankfully they ran out, rather than being ont he end of a fork - I am too squeemish), so perhaps we match! I would be more concerned about the house cleaning than shed though!
Trillium - spill the beans a)how do you post pics and b) what is the new programme from ch4 going to be then? hifi -
Message 29
Posted by Trillium (U2170869) on Sunday, 20th November 2005
Hi all,
We had fog here this morning with sub-zero temperatures as well. I took a long look at the shed and thought about following Obelixx's sound advice and giving it a good clear out, but just couldn't face it. I chopped a load of wood instead for the fire, but let go of the hammer and smacked my shin which wasn't clever, so I moved a big pile of bricks instead. That warmed me up beautifully.
Meanwhile OH kindly made me tea and fixed the wheelbarrow, but otherwise had the sense to stay indoors!
I've found both my trowels, but have now lost my precious yellow leather gloves, my red Felco secateurs and my hand fork.
Hi-fi, posting pics is fairly easy. There are several options but what I do is:
1. Go to www.photobucket.com and get yourself an account - it's free
2.Click on 'Browse' under 'Add pictures' and select the saved picture from your PC.
3. When the picture has uploaded, click on it in photobucket to open it
4. With the picture open, go the the 'Address' bar in your browser, highlight the whole of the web address, right click and click copy.
5. Create a message on the message board, put the cursor where you want the picture, right click and paste.
6. This should paste the URL of your picture into the message.
7. To check, preview your message, click the link and hey presto.
Any trouble, shout up and someone will come to your rescue.
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Message 30
Posted by Obelixx (U2157162) on Monday, 21st November 2005
Hi Trillium - OH left my Felcos in the bark path in the "woodland" wne he was out there pruning and clearing recently! Mongrel! Luckily I needed them so went hunting and found them before they got left to rust all winter.
My garden stores need a good tidy too but, like you, I'm managing to find jobs I'd rather do. We seem to be thawing so I should be able to do proper garden jobs tomorrow. Been painting the office today. Ho hum. -
Message 31
Posted by malibu (U2338974) on Monday, 21st November 2005
Mr Don advises just the opposite in his Observer column today! But he does also say that a lot of his carrots are knobbly and mis-shapen... is this two fingers up to the supermarkets' Jez聽
Just read in A.G, his columb at the end re his nobbly carrots. He's been growing them since a boy and the piece was about waste on the part of the the consumer and the supermarklets quest for perfection. definately 2 fingers to the supermarkets.
p.s I'm not a veg grower . Sorry! I just thought the article was interesting as you mentioned it too... -
Message 32
Posted by malibu (U2338974) on Monday, 21st November 2005
Mr Don advises just the opposite in his Observer column today! But he does also say that a lot of his carrots are knobbly and mis-shapen... is this two fingers up to the supermarkets' Jez聽
Just read in A.G, his column at the end re his nobbly carrots. He's been growing them since a boy and the piece was about waste on the part of the the consumer and the supermarklets quest for perfection. definately 2 fingers to the supermarkets.
p.s I'm not a veg grower . Sorry! I just thought the article was interesting as you mentioned it too... -
Message 33
Posted by Wildthing (U2335691) on Thursday, 24th November 2005
I don't have a message, I just like the title of this thread and thought I would bring it back to the top.
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Message 34
Posted by valleygerald (U2387267) on Thursday, 24th November 2005
I think it was about Hebes ??
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Message 35
Posted by Dame Wombat (U2332024) on Friday, 25th November 2005
I don't have a message, I just like the title of this thread and thought I would bring it back to the top.聽
Thank you Click-B. It would be hard to find a snappier headline than this one, and I think we should make every effort to keep it near the surface for as long as possible. Well done Rhoda, for defining the spirit of this board! -
Message 36
Posted by hereisabee (U2342191) on Friday, 25th November 2005
Better defined, as about Chris Beardshaw, killing Hebes and shall we say 'other things'?
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Message 37
Posted by Wildthing (U2335691) on Friday, 25th November 2005
Yes, Chris Beardshaw killed my Hebe, is a tragedy, it is a disaster, but thinking of Arlow Guthrie it could also be a movement? All you have to do is hit the reply button and write I鈥檝e joined the 鈥楥hris Beardshaw killed my Hebe Movement鈥. Then tell your friends, relations and fellow gardeners, whatever your problem or difficulty it fades when compared Hebe killing, other things and not forgetting Chris Beardshaw
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Message 38
Posted by hereisabee (U2342191) on Saturday, 26th November 2005
I've joined the Chris Beardshaw killed my Hebe Movememnt.
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Message 39
Posted by Rhoda Dendron (U2176380) on Saturday, 26th November 2005
I don't think Chris Beardshaw is a man to mess with. In an earlier thread Dame Wombat noted:
"CB killed my jacaranda too. Actually that's probably a little unfair, but I took one of my little saplings to the GW roadshow at Harlow Carr last year and it was never the same since. The roots rotted, all its leaves dropped off and all I ended up with was a stick in a pot."
I don't think it's unfair at all. The guy is clearly a serial killer in the same vein as Corrie's Richard Hillman. -
Message 40
Posted by hi-fi- (U2535708) on Saturday, 26th November 2005
sorry Oblixx, just seen - when did you install me in your shed?!
"and install lights and -hifi- and heaters and the old cane settees" -
Message 41
Posted by hi-fi- (U2535708) on Saturday, 26th November 2005
Thanks Trillium for the directions, i have cut and pasted and will give it a try. Sorry for the delay, my computer stopped reading my mouse and keyboard!!! hifi
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Message 42
Posted by Wildthing (U2335691) on Saturday, 26th November 2005
Now it all started the other year when my friend and I went round to Rhoda Dendron鈥檚 to help her do some work in her garden. Now Rhododendron is the name of a plant, Rhododendrons make a great basis for any garden, but Rhoda Dendron has alkaline soil so does not grow any , which is why she is called Rhoda Dendron. Anyway seeing as she only has a small garden plants have to be cut back so they don鈥檛 overgrow her husbands lawn. We drove up with secateurs, saws, loppers and implements of amputation and found a note from Rhoda Dendron saying Hebe - Chris Beardshaw says cut hard back. Now Hebe is one of those plants, a New Zealander never bone hardy, but reliable, always looks good, tolerant of light clipping but does not like being pruned into woody growth. However it does make new shoots from the base so often gardeners cut back to these, generally selected stems but sometimes the whole shrub. There are always risks (Artemisia Powys Castle should be pruned hard early each year but if you do it to a plant that has been let go the likely hood is it will turn it鈥榮 toes up and die). We went into the garden found the Hebe growing over the lawn took out our instruments of amputation and cut hard back. Gathered up the rubbish and drove of into the sunset, finding a nice message on the voice mail from Rhoda Dendron and her husband saying thanks for all the hard work in the garden.
The following spring though there was trouble, the small shoots on the Hebe had wilted. The husband looked at us, we looked at Rhoda Dendron and Rhoda Dendron looked at the Hebe. Then with tears in our eyes we exclaimed Chris Beardshaw killed our Hebe!
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Message 43
Posted by hereisabee (U2342191) on Sunday, 27th November 2005
I want to tell you about the city of Broxfield, Broxfordshire, it鈥檚 got one car factory two universities and any number of language schools, so we can translate 鈥楥hris Beardshaw killed my Hebe鈥 into most known languages. But that not what I wanted to tell you about.
I a want to write about the pesticide course, seeing as there was so many neglected gardens with people making cars, taking degrees and translating 鈥楥hris Beardshaw killed my Hebe鈥, the city council decided to get all available through a pesticide course to help get the work done. I walked in I got inspections specifications, definitions and calibrations. At the end of the line the man said see the instructor room 604, I walked and said 鈥淚 want to spray, I want cause death and defoliation, spray, spray, spray鈥, and I started jumping up and down shouting, 鈥渟pray, spray, spray鈥 and the instructor started jumping up and down shouting 鈥渟pray, spray, spray鈥. Then the examiner came in and said 鈥測our our boy鈥, then I proceeded down the line. then the man said 鈥渉ave you ever made an insurance claim鈥? So I proceeded to tell him the story of 鈥楥hris Beardshaw killed my Hebe鈥, when he said 鈥渟top it right there kid鈥, we want you go and sit on the bench marked group W. Now group W is where they put you if your a danger to society, there were leek knoblers on the bench, there people who had cut trees down in conservation areas, there were even people who sold plants Rosa banksiae which had thorns on, but worse of all there was someone who had been caught committing daylight shrubbery in the Botanic Garden and he was mean and ugly and came straight over and asked me what did you do? So I said I didn鈥檛 do anything but had to claim for a large specimen Hebe because I did not retain the note saying Hebe Chris Beardshaw says prune hard. So they all moved away from me on the bench, until I said and using very small gravel, paying cash for odd deliveries and most of all, spraying moss killer on Broxsters house which went dark brown. Then they all came back and we had a great time talking about leek knobling, rogue rose and daylight shrubbery.
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Message 44
Posted by Wildthing (U2335691) on Sunday, 27th November 2005
No doubt you鈥檒l be saying uncle tom and I have missed out the 鈥榮eeing eye dog鈥, the 8 x 10 colour glossy photographs with circles and arrows and a paragraph on the back explaining what each one was, not the least the aerial photography. Neither did we venture into to the this piece of papersgotfortyfivewordsgivingdetailsinsuranceclaimnumbersoeyickxifkbc- and nobody understood a word that he was saying. However to conclude can you imagine if one person went into a garden centre and shouted out 鈥楥hris Beardshaw killed my Hebe鈥, they may think they鈥檙e a nut and send them home in a taxi. Now if two people went into a garden centre and shouted out 鈥楥hris Beardshaw killed my Hebe鈥, they might think it鈥檚 kinky give them a free Hebe and start a special promotion for Valentines Day. Whereas if three, four or more people went into a garden centre and shouted out 鈥楥hris Beardshaw killed my Hebe鈥, they may think it is an organisation and start a group discount scheme and special car-parking, and that is what it is a 鈥楥hris Beardshaw killed my Hebe鈥 anti-mass-acree, stain-devilling, daylight-shrubbery, to hell with conservation areas, keep more records, is burntfacedjake really Jake Cobra and Andy, lets have more of Plockets photographs organisation and movement and use this thread to come to terms with all the things that spoil your day.
The End, Click-Beatle, uncletomcobleyandall, previously Richard B. Any artistic credit going to Arlow Guthrie for 鈥楢lice鈥檚 Restaurant鈥 -
Message 45
Posted by princessanabana (U2421659) on Sunday, 27th November 2005
Wow - did that bring back memories !!
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Message 46
Posted by Rhoda Dendron (U2176380) on Sunday, 27th November 2005
Someone is mad here and I am no longer sure who it is. Unfortunately I know that I know Arlo Gurthrie's Alice's Restaurant but... the only tune coming in to my head is that of Maggie's Farm and I can't find anywhere to play me the original track!
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Message 47
Posted by princessanabana (U2421659) on Sunday, 27th November 2005
Not sure if I am on the right track - but what came to me was the scene in court where the other arrestees asked him what he'd done - he said littering and they all moved away, then he added causing an affray and various other misdemeanours and they all moved back and clapped him - that's the memories it brought back to me - I was about 18 at the time - oops!!
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Message 48
Posted by Margi (U2334861) on Sunday, 27th November 2005
Is Uncle Tom really RichardB as was? I did wonder...
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Message 49
Posted by Trillium (U2170869) on Sunday, 27th November 2005
OK - I'm going to the first to stick my head above the parapet and say that I have totally lost the plot... is there one?
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Message 50
Posted by Rhoda Dendron (U2176380) on Monday, 28th November 2005
Plot is lost Trillium. But on a complete change of subject I have to thank you for you advice on the Weather Shop in Eastbourne. We went over there on Saturday (stopping at the Tiger pub in East Dean which I haven't been to for years) and bought two 'weather stations' one for me and one for someone's Xmas present. I managed to stop myself from getting a really expensive one with loads of things I don't need and went for a 拢30 option which does outdoor/indoor temperature, date and time, humidity and a forecast based on a barometer reading. So today I have 20.2C indoors, 42 humidity (which is too dry so you get a little glum icon with it) outdoor 3.7 and a forecast of clouds and rain getting worse. I love it!
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