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Message 1.Ìý
Posted by diamondbuzylizzie (U8465646) on Saturday, 26th May 2007
I am sure she is a lovely lady, but her accent is so strong, by the time I have worked out what she is saying the moment has gone.
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Message 2
Posted by mysteryletterboxs (U1950653) on Saturday, 26th May 2007
I am sure she is a lovely lady, but her accent is so strong, by the time I have worked out what she is saying the moment has gone.
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We do so agree with you. Infact we gave up watching the lunchtime coverage, for that very reason.
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Message 3
Posted by londonplantmad (U2392946) on Saturday, 26th May 2007
I feel exactly the same. By the time i strain to understand her accent I have missed the point. Also why is she presenting she has no link to gardening as far as I can see. I feel the same about Dairmund I cannot understand him either and I have irish ancestry. I was glad he was not presenting this year. For one week of the year you would think they could come up with some presenters who do know about plants, can be understood and do have some charisma to make you want to watch. The evening progs I found O.K but could have been more of Chelsea. We did not seem to see that much this year.
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Message 4
Posted by notreligious (U8291071) on Saturday, 26th May 2007
I have to agree that I do strain to understand LK also - when she is on LK today she is just a noise that is there in the background waffling on about models, pile cream or shoes.
In TV is not what you know - but who you know!! So that is another reason she may be at Chelsea.
She seems like a really nice person and did well presenting News for You - which is a programme that interests me, so I listen more intently.
I would love to comprehend whats going on, and keep a straight face, instead of having to appear squinty, severely constipated and confused because of the dialects.
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Message 5
Posted by starstumpy (U2657268) on Saturday, 26th May 2007
excuse me but it is not only people in england that watch chelsea --no doubt the bbc were catering for some of us scots that are dotted round the country and those in scotland . I bet some of you are the same ones who watch her in the morning on gmtv .There are a lot of people on tv that can be hard to understand i dont think she is the worst.
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Message 6
Posted by Richardf77 (U2391775) on Saturday, 26th May 2007
I was a bit sceptical about her presenting the programmesd at first but I sson warmed to her. She seemed genuinely enthusiastic about the plants and gardens, and looked at things from a laypersons point of veiw rather than a professionals point of veiw. Which at chelasea can get a bit overbearing (bad enough as it was from Andy and Ann-Marie).
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Message 7
Posted by U8157043 (U8157043) on Sunday, 27th May 2007
I have to say its not the accent that bothers me, I just find a little insinsere and a bit too sassy.
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Message 8
Posted by mr naughty corner (U2456974) on Sunday, 27th May 2007
why oh why oh why can't the Ö÷²¥´óÐã get some presenters who speak Her majesty the Queen's English? Honestly, are our decent schools unable to produce anyone who doesn't have a dreadful regional accent?
If they couldn't read the news and open a bottle of HP sauce with their buttocks at the same time without blinking then DON'T LET THEM ON THE TELLY!!!
Lets have an end to this trend for regional accents- it does not do the international reputation of this country any favours- and a return to PROPER ENGLISH.
Next thing Monty Don will start talking like the awful Arctic Monkeys! IT ALL LOWERS STANDARDS!
If gardening cannot set an example then HEAVEN HELP US ALL!!
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Message 9
Posted by londonplantmad (U2392946) on Sunday, 27th May 2007
I don't think its a case of regional accents. Its either speaking a bit slower or as in Dairmunds case a bit louder. Maybe I am going a bit deaf in my old age. Living in London I spend most of my time speaking to people from all over the world. No matter where they come from if they speak clearly even with their native dialect I can usually understand when they speak english. With lots of T.V people its speeded up because of time available which makes presentation ten times worse. Strong accents or mumbling are far harder to understand. There are plenty of clear speaking Scots and Irish. I do not care where they come from I just want to understand the commentary.
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Message 10
Posted by aeonium (U5004457) on Sunday, 27th May 2007
if i am having a discussion about gardening i don't give two hoots what a persons accent is,the content of the conversation is what counts.i have a lancashire accent,my husband is welsh and we have various relatives in scotland, we have no problem understanding each other. i suspect that quite a few people will have been offended by the comments about regional accents
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Message 11
Posted by mr naughty corner (U2456974) on Sunday, 27th May 2007
The Ö÷²¥´óÐã is not about regional accents and neither is this country! Imagine if Churchill had been a brummie. Would that have seen off the nazis? What if David Attenborough spoke like PeeWee Herman- anybody give two stuffs about his documentaries pleading for conservation of species? If the six O'clock news was read by Derek Hatton- anybody believe a word of it? If the Queen spoke like Rab C Nesbit, would there be a Commonwealth? If Margaret thatcher hadn't had a voice coach to stop her talking like a squeezed lemon would the lady have not been for turning?
No. No. No. No. No.
Thankfully, the Ö÷²¥´óÐã do try to retain some dignity- it is always special to switch on the world service when abroad and hear proper english. And the same should be true of all TV presenters. The rest are quite welcome to become pop stars and the like but lets keep TV just for the proper Queen's English- we'll go much further if we do.
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Message 12
Posted by Sheila1 (U2826143) on Sunday, 27th May 2007
Derik Pig. You are my sort of person. I love your direct approach. Someone else who was on this board some time ago was very like you. Occasionally he comes on to make a contribution. Very refresshing to find someone who is not afraid to really speak his mind. Cheers!
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Message 13
Posted by notreligious (U8291071) on Monday, 28th May 2007
I don't see why anyone would be offended about a discussion on whether someones accent is understandable or not - is "regionalism" a crime now? Fortunately, dealing with strong accents in real life is not often a problem as you can politely ask the person to repeat themselves so that you can understand. On the telly you just miss it altogether if you can't understand. Perhaps we should all watch each programme with subtitles on, and not bother trying to listen to what is being said, or video it and learn to lip read, or learn sign language and wait to see if "Sea Hear" repeat it.
Perhaps it won't be long before we hear our news reports like this:
"Babylon in broad mash up a battyman turns out im ristrocrat breddrin wit benz ..... gotta dip and lime ...."
"Police today, beat up a gay man who is related to aristocrary and drives a nice car ... got to go now and chill out with my friends"
Well?
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Message 14
Posted by U3112597 (U3112597) on Tuesday, 29th May 2007
I'm all in favour of anything that'll get Eamonn Holmes off my screen...
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Message 15
Posted by diamondbuzylizzie (U8465646) on Thursday, 31st May 2007
you are so wrong about LK I stopped watching her morning show for exactly the same reason, then I stopped watching the lunchtime show of Chelsea, and the less said about what she was wearing the better. I hope she watch repeats and saw just how bad it all was for the viewers!!!!! -
Message 16
Posted by notreligious (U8291071) on Thursday, 31st May 2007
I couldn't care less if they all turned up with mohicans, dms and bondage trousers or were extra terrestrials with three heads - as long as I could understand what they are talking about.
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Message 17
Posted by Tom (U8448877) on Friday, 1st June 2007
What a load of manure you speak Mr Pig. What exactly is Queens English?. I hope its not the way Lizy speaks cause I can't understand that,think the plum gets in the way (hope your noticing the gardening references?) You are in the dark ages. Not understanding regional accents say's more about the listener than the speaker. You have to get "tuned" in. The BRITISH Braodcasting Corporation is only living up to its responsibilities. I fully realise that, as a Scot, I am much better placed to embrase the world beyond my garden fence (we were mainly responsible for developing the civilized world) but give it a go. If we can help let us know.
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Message 18
Posted by notreligious (U8291071) on Saturday, 2nd June 2007
All presenters should be understandable for the majority of viewers not just english ones, but english speaking ones of whatever races - if that means toning down a strong accent or regional dialect then they should ... I don't think it says more about the listener than the speaker at all .... my doctor is indian and a obviously a very clever, knowledgeable person and respected, but I still have to make him repeat himself several times during a consultation because his accent is so hard to understand - and you cannot do that during a tv programme.
Please could you help? ... one appears to have a fruit of some kind stuck in one's gob and makes one talk funny apparently ... I must be orf now.
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Message 19
Posted by U3112597 (U3112597) on Sunday, 3rd June 2007
"my doctor is indian and a obviously a very clever, knowledgeable person and respected, but I still have to make him repeat himself several times during a consultation because his accent is so hard to understand"
Ladies and gentlemen...it's Marjorie Dawes! -
Message 20
Posted by notreligious (U8291071) on Tuesday, 5th June 2007
Thanks for that compliment Gollum! What was your point exactly? I was saying it was hard to understand my indian doctor's accent although I respect and admire him very much ?
Is it unnacceptable to say something that is true - such as you cannot understand a particular persons accent - whether they are indian or scottish or whatever or should we pretend that we do understand or is "can you repeat that please - I cannot understand?" not PC or something .... -
Message 21
Posted by the cycling gardener (U2350416) on Wednesday, 6th June 2007
I've got an apallingly dreadful cold so gave myself a slow start this morning and watched LK Today - well some of it. Lorraine Kelly's constant twittering annoyed me intensely so I turned it off.
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Message 22
Posted by U3112597 (U3112597) on Wednesday, 6th June 2007
Ooh, sorry, someone's a bit touchy. Honestly, I'm probably one of the least PC people on the face of the planet, but I can't help thinking what a boring old world this would be if everybody spoke 'proper' English...I'm from Northern Ireland by the way and speak far better English than most of the people where I live so what does that tell you? Nothing really I guess, but don't you think variety is the spice of life. What a boring old world we'd have if the Ö÷²¥´óÐã paid attention to the Little Englanders on this thread...
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Message 23
Posted by the cycling gardener (U2350416) on Thursday, 7th June 2007
I agree but my understanding of the role of presenter is that they should be able to communicate effectively, certainly within the public broadcasting domain. If large numbers of the population are having trouble understanding what they are saying they aren't meeting the requirements of the job. For some reason, and I'm not a linguistic specialist, people with regional accents understand so called 'Queen's English' more easily than the reverse so lets have more presenters we can understand.
We should also consider people with hearing difficulties. So often they fill in the gaps, crossing the t's and dotting the i's to make full sense of the spoken word. Regional accents make this doubly difficult. -
Message 24
Posted by Jenks812 (U5452843) on Thursday, 7th June 2007
Geoff Hamilton didn't really speak "Queens English" and he's probably the best garden presenter there's ever been. Never had a problem understanding anything he said. So what, no presenting jobs for anyone north of the Watford Gap? I don't think so...
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Message 25
Posted by Tom (U8448877) on Thursday, 7th June 2007
Think we are getting regional accents mixed up with poor speaking, not necessarily the same thing.! Sub titles for you middle englanders?
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Message 26
Posted by midnightvelvet (U3261149) on Saturday, 9th June 2007
I have to say that I can't watch LK either...it's not her accent so much, just that she has been so over exposed these past few years....whatever you watch there she is!! I'm hard pushed to decide whether I'm glad she no longer does the Friday slot on This Morning with Philip or would prefer LK's whitter to that DREADFUL Ruth Langsford!!! And as much as I like Eammon Holmes, the two of them together are just awful!!
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Message 27
Posted by U8157043 (U8157043) on Sunday, 10th June 2007
K.P, Im originally from Surrey, and her accent doesnt bother me, but I have to agree with you and midnightvelvet......... but I do like Ruth L.
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Message 28
Posted by notreligious (U8291071) on Wednesday, 13th June 2007
Hello again. I apologise DG for being upperty - but Majorie Dawes ???? Anyway, Irish accents are lovely - I have family in Cork. A lot of regional accents have far better pronounication than I do, - LK is just too squeaky.
Best wishes. -
Message 29
Posted by Amazing (U7102651) on Wednesday, 13th June 2007
DEREK THE PIG.. I am really annoyed about what you said. I am from Scotland, Dunbar, and I don't speak as Lorraine Kelly does but I do 'listen' to what she says. That is the crux of the matter, 'listening not just hearing' Anyway here's something for you from Scotland.[IMG]/IMG]
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Message 30
Posted by mr naughty corner (U2456974) on Thursday, 14th June 2007
Sorry Amzhapcook but I stand by what I say.
TV is only viable if you can understand what is being said- especially if, like me, you support the rounding up and jettisoning into space of all mime artists. I'm afraid I can't compromise here.
I didn't really get the picture.
I wouldn't care if Lorainne Kelly spoke in Martian- I wouldn't understand her. I can't stand regionalism. Look what its done to the scots. You have kjgray and weedorcas threatening to chin anyone in sight (its funny how the country with the worst military record in europe has produced the most aggressive wee men) and I had to put up with a large mob of neanderthal morons on the train to kings cross at the weekend bashing out flower of scotland on tins of stella ("ten pints of stella, where have you been...")and slkavering on about hating the english.
I don't hate anyone. Much. Biut if i do, its nopt through some blind regional bigotry based upon some cock a doodle doo notion of identifying with flag or crest or accent. Lets keep them out of the equation. LETS KEEP TV GARDENING PRONOUNCED WITH GOOD DICTION AND SHARP DELIVERY, not slurred like some tramp in a gutter of roared at me in mockney or wildly orally gesticulated at me by some flakey queen who sounds like they've had a stroke.
I rest my not inconsiderable case.
Yours, nice as ever, DEREK PIG -
Message 31
Posted by hounded (U7956325) on Thursday, 14th June 2007
Now I will have you know Derek Pig while I agree about the on going decline in spoken English. I am as much English as Scots ,and have no time for the SNP or any other loony who wants to have a Scotish homeland. But If you want to see some truly dreadful people, drunk and violent ,come to Amsterdam and see the English stag groups they are a national disgrace (for the English). And remind you that much of the British enlightenment flowed from Scotland to England. I am a peaceful sort of chap, but as a gentleman I can not allow you to besmirch the character of a lady like wee dorcas. You sir are a cad to thus insult a lady. Razor
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Message 32
Posted by mr naughty corner (U2456974) on Thursday, 14th June 2007
Being SNP has nothing to do with accent. So what if the english are drunk a lot in Amsterdam? I'm not flying any national flag pal.
As for your knightly concern for a fair maiden, are you sure which century you are in? You sir are no razor when it comes to wit sir! And should you darn well wish to thrash me sir then sir I say Culloden to you sir! Culloden, Cumberland and Flodden sir!
Alternatively, just accept the century, ditch the utterly innapropriate handle and get the semantics right- I am a cad and then insult a lady, or, did you mean I was a cad for insulting a lady, "razor"?
If you're razor, then I'm Oscar Wilde
WARRIOR SPIRIT
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Message 33
Posted by U3112597 (U3112597) on Thursday, 14th June 2007
Oscar Wilde. Irish.
Derek, I think you're getting a tad confused pal.
Of course, if you'd like to wax lyrical on the English culture, you're more than welcome to join me for a pub crawl up the Falls Road on a Saturday night. You wouldn't last five minutes.
Now begone with you sir, begone! -
Message 34
Posted by hounded (U7956325) on Thursday, 14th June 2007
You may say Culloden all you wish , but for what effect I do not understand. Any person who knows there history, will tell you that they are aware that most of the so called English army of Cumberland was made largly made up of Lowlands Scots, so was an largly an internal matter. So why the English think it is a great stick to beat the Scots with I do not know.So to you dear Oscar I say, wit is wasted on the closed mind. Now if any one has any thing to add on the true theme of this thread please do post
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Message 35
Posted by mr naughty corner (U2456974) on Thursday, 14th June 2007
Rubbish kfgray.
anyone who bothers to read history rather than just watch telly, knows that the english army was not made up of lowland scots. There were a contingent of lowlanders mostly manning the stone wall to the side of the battle field- to shoot the scots from the side when they charged- but no. It was mostly english. In fact it was made up in part by nottinghamshire butchers.
As for the invite to the Falls Road. God you're hard. No. I'm of moderate mind and not hell bent on a path of sectarianism and irrational religious hatred, that ultimately leads to barbarism. No, I'd not last a minute with a bunch of bigots on the Falls Road. But I think to cite a notorious trouble spot; to then invite another board poster to then go drinking there; to then say how they would not last a minute; this is an appaling attempt to try and back up your anonymous persona with the heinious attrocities of a generation of secular hate crimes.
You sir, are truly hard. God you're hard.
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Message 36
Posted by wee dorcas - also digitalsmartiepants, now banned for multi ID abuse (U8222701) on Thursday, 14th June 2007
Dear Derek Pig, I have tears of laughter reading your posting. Despite being Scottish, I have to agree with some of your observations. I worked in London for a few years, and was mortified on many occasions if there was a Scottish contingent down for some football match or other. I wanted to tell them to behave, to show pride in their country, and not have others think badly of it. At the same time, the sight of a tartan scarf would bring a lump to my throat. Though kfgray is correct, the English, and many other nationalities do the same.
As for the aggression, I stand guilty as charged. I can be so sweet and ladylike, then I go suddenly for the jugular.
Have you heard of Dan Arborise? He is a singer from Cornwall. He was rather hesitant about coming to Glasgow for a gig. As he was leaving the venue after his concert, a yob rushed past him, chasing another yob and brandishing a bottle. He bumped into the singer, stopped, apologised profusely, and continued the pursuit. This epitomises Scottish aggression for me.......easily turned on, but just as easily turned off.
As for lorraine Kelly. it's not her accent which is hard to understand. We Scots speak far too quickly, but she should have learned to slow down by now. -
Message 37
Posted by hounded (U7956325) on Thursday, 14th June 2007
You must have gone to an English school DP , other wise you would know that at the battle there were 3 regiments of scots horse /3 battalions of scots lowland foot the /Sinclair/Royal Scots/Cambells, artillary provided by the Cunningham. Plus many battalions because they had English appointed commanders were called after the commanders, such as "Barrells foot" giving the impression that they were English.
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Message 38
Posted by wee dorcas - also digitalsmartiepants, now banned for multi ID abuse (U8222701) on Thursday, 14th June 2007
Dear Razor, little did I think I would find my Knight in shining armour on this message board...thank you so much for sticking up for me.
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Message 39
Posted by U7337552 (U7337552) on Thursday, 14th June 2007
nothing changes here then. i have to agree with derek the pig. if you came out drinking with me where i live i bet you could get kicked in really quickly. but the think nis where bi live and where probably derek the pig live there would not be lots of people wanting to fdo it. I think it is really sad to say that "you would get kicked in if you went drin king with me" because you are different. I think that every where has bad places but i wouldn't for examplke say "oh you wouldnt last 5 minutes in saint annes" because although you probably wouldnot it is not because I am a hard case. the reason you would not last 5 mins is because there are loads of bad mental people thereand to pretend that you are hard based on where you live is realy realy realy stupid. loads of people are up for a fight biut that doesnt ,make them any good at being tv gardeners
you lot are really pretty sad. if you are so hard then why arent you out in the pubs with all your hard mates looking fort strahngers to attack? You are really sad and i dont see hoew you can like plants and garebening as well as wanting to say how hard you are because youlive in belfasst
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Message 40
Posted by U7337552 (U7337552) on Thursday, 14th June 2007
aaaaaaaarrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrggggggggggggggggghhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhh!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!! waiting to be moderated is so annoying !!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!
even worse weaiting for the time limit to pass
any tips on getting past theis delay thing????????????????????????????????????????????????????????????????????????????????????????????????????????????????????????????????????????????????????????????????????????????
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Message 41
Posted by hounded (U7956325) on Thursday, 14th June 2007
my pleasure wee dorcas, but I am sure you could take care of the english yapper, with a Glasgow Kiss
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Message 42
Posted by U7337552 (U7337552) on Thursday, 14th June 2007
You must not have read the classic John Prebble account- although there is infinite ammount of information provided in his series of excellent books to show that the Highland clearance and general persecution of the scots came about through their own Lairds, the english army at Nairn before the battle cried "Flanders Flanders" at Cumberland. This was because it was the regular army. I'm not saying there weren't scots there. I'm saying it was an english army with an english general versus a scots army with an Italian general.
Hey you wouldn't last two minutes in my library you wouldn't.
Derek Pig -
Message 43
Posted by U7337552 (U7337552) on Thursday, 14th June 2007
ha ha ha me and my girlfriend have just been on wikipedia and i hope you agree that bthet is the best derek pig repl ever!!!! I hope derek pig likes it and i hopethat i soon will be allowed to post a message!!!!!!!
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Message 44
Posted by U7337552 (U7337552) on Thursday, 14th June 2007
here in scotland we do laugh a lot at you english people. I do get embarrassed about sopme of the behaviour but it is just a minority. The most of us scottish people are just fine- and although we get angry a lot sometimes and can deliver a glosgow kiss, we are sweet and lovely also!!
thats why we have Lorainne Kelly on our pound notes- she is lovely and although a quick speaker, its fair sense an all!!!
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Message 45
Posted by U7337552 (U7337552) on Thursday, 14th June 2007
my girlfriend says we can't do anyone else as there are soem nutters and they will invite us out for as violent drink!!!!!!
how long does it take to get cleared then? how is it that there are loads of nutters on the boards who are allowed to apeak but i am being curt out all the ytime? I will have to keep beiong other people until i am on th eboard.....
next..... RHODA DENDRUM!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!! -
Message 46
Posted by U4299637 (U4299637) on Friday, 15th June 2007
Are you Chris Beardshaw or what???
Blim!
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Message 47
Posted by Amazing (U7102651) on Friday, 15th June 2007
Scots army to the fore: Weedorcas, kfgray, dots, my sister, poshscotslass, borderlass and me, we'll take you on, and bring our thistles and teasels with us.
ready steady go. -
Message 48
Posted by U3112597 (U3112597) on Friday, 15th June 2007
You're right, I am hard.
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Message 49
Posted by pipit (U2453673) on Saturday, 16th June 2007
LK is really really really really really really really really really really really really really really really really not very very very very very very very very very very very very very very very very very very very very very very very very good....so i never watched any of the chelsea lunch time shows
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Message 50
Posted by U3112597 (U3112597) on Saturday, 16th June 2007
pipit, I'm sensing you won't be joining the LK Appreciation Society...
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