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Message 1.Â
Posted by Ken Smart (U1158196) on Friday, 5th September 2008
I gave this load of manure 10 minutes before switching off. This was truely cringe-worthy stuff. Rachel was clearly talking to Joe's allotment friend (not me), and the cameraman needed breathalysed. How sickening is it, to sit down hoping to see a gardening programme, and be confronted by this drama queen with her 'true-life confessions' style of commentary. I'm not interested in Rachel's homelife, her family, her rubber gloves or her long bed. How on earth she manages to get so much airtime, when she's little more than an enthusiastic amateur, is beyond me. When Buckland finally appears, I'll be hoping for a gardening programme once again, and won't be too tolerant if that's not what I get. Oh Monty Don - why did you have to get unwell?
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Message 2
Posted by Stressed out (U11163734) on Friday, 5th September 2008
Not the best but not the worst this year.
It does show you one thing that if you are prepared to throw money at a border then it can look good in a years time.
I would have preferred 2 minutes at the end showing what it looked like a the end of July this year, rather than 2 seconds while the credits rolled. I would also like to have seen a picture of it every month from when it was planted till now.
Plant shopping is really good fun, agreed.
I would have also liked to have had a decent look at the herb garden as that looked well planned and very well executed. -
Message 3
Posted by greeneddy (U6603838) on Friday, 5th September 2008
"I woke up this morning, and looked out of my bedroom window, and OMG there was a Ö÷²¥´óÐã production team in my garden! Thank good ness I had first put on a clean bathrobe!"
Fave bits: - her talking about design tips - horizontals/verticals, dotting clumps of same plant through a long border, to lead the eye along, degrees of colour on same plant, or on nearby plants. Uses of grasses for height, movement, texture, etc.
Unfave bits - use of hand-held camera, seemingly operated by a five-year old,sometimes up a ladder, at the beginning - it literally made me feel seasick, and I very nearly turned off. Zoom in, zoom out. Rachel's face, Rachel's boots. Rachel's spice jars, Rachel's planting list.
Loved the border. Thanks for the plant names. What a shame we only got to see 2 seconds of the border a year on, in July 2008. -
Message 4
Posted by paperwhite (U6380063) on Friday, 5th September 2008
Well I loved it, just my type of planting and colours-yes I too am a bit of a romantic and very feminine. I am so pleased I recorded it so that I can watch it again and if needed, again. I must agree I would have enjoyed seeing the finished border in July this year for more than the split second we were shown.
Yes ken it is a shame Monty is no longer with us but I have enjoyed having a lady at the healm and have thoroughly enjoyed both Rachel and Sarahs 'specials'. More Women please. -
Message 5
Posted by vegslovingmonique (U12003276) on Friday, 5th September 2008
Hi Ken,
Hear, hear ...
I almost rolled of my couch watching her 'dig a hole'. I bet the crewmen did it for her and then handed over the shovel. This is so rediculous it was funny. Have a nice weekend all, let's hope for a dry spell.
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Message 6
Posted by hageyfella (U13274467) on Friday, 5th September 2008
My sentiments the minute the program ended.If the border worked then why such a brief glimpse and although not as bad as previous Rachele de Thame (look at me)shows the subject matter is gardening.
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Message 7
Posted by Sheila1 (U2826143) on Friday, 5th September 2008
Hi Ken. Rarely watch G.W. now. Occasionally video it,but did neither tonight. Sounds as if I did the right thing. Will give Toby Buckland a go,but I really don't know much about him. Carol Klein would be my choice. Cheers.
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Message 8
Posted by sherrypics (U13274527) on Friday, 5th September 2008
Unlike the previous viewer of gardeners world...i truly enjoyed the program. I was able to relate to Rachaels true passion of her wanting to create something artistic in her garden. I think viewers can take from it a sense of not being afraid to be creative and ambitious.
Maybe you should have perservered and watched it till the end, you may have got in touch with a creative side of you that you didn't know was there...Happy gardening! -
Message 9
Posted by malanD (U7337386) on Saturday, 6th September 2008
I thought she got carried away buying too many grassy plants. At the end of the prog, all I could see was a sea of grass!
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Message 10
Posted by Dancing Dragonflies (U11928307) on Saturday, 6th September 2008
I really enjoyed it, as I did the other two specials. I love/ have many of the plants she chose and could relate to what she was trying to do. I am just experimenting with grasses and thought there were a few too many for my liking, but I did like the idea as a whole. The munstead wood rose was beautiful too, I shall be keeping my eyes open for that one.
Ken have you posted anything positive recently, every time I come on here all there is is negativity. These specials have been a vast improvement on some of the earlier GW programmes this year. Surely there must have been one bit on one of these programmes that you enjoyed. I fear you are soon to be in danger of becoming labeled as a very grumpy old man
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Message 11
Posted by toonia (U4760062) on Saturday, 6th September 2008
Leave Ken alone! He is a necessary antidote to the people who love everybody and gush over everything.
I agree with him about the ubiquitous "over the shoulder" style of interviewing. If they want to convey a conversation between two people then have the other person in shot!
Otherwise this wasn't bad. It was interesting to see a project from start to finish, even if once again there were more views of the presenter than plants.
I also agree with MalanD about there being too many grasses once the border had filled out a bit. That may be why we saw so little of it! A shame as it would have been useful to hear Rachel's own view of the finished effect -whether it was what she'd hoped for or whether she would remove some of the grassiness to show off her roses!
I also watched the Channel 5 programme with LLB last night and it was an interesting contrast. I saw two gardens in detail so that I got an overall picture of how they looked altogether plus lots of shots of individual sections and planting combinations. I can still visualise both gardens as a whole, something I still can't do for Berryfields after a number of years! -
Message 12
Posted by Boofer (U3709461) on Saturday, 6th September 2008
I thought there were way too many grasses. As malanD says, the finished border looked like a sea of grass.
I would have been interested to know how successful she was in keeping down the ground elder with the path she made.
I would also like to know what she planted in the shady end of the border. My main border ends under the shade of a beech tree.
Maybe we could have a planting plan on the GW website. -
Message 13
Posted by Dancing Dragonflies (U11928307) on Saturday, 6th September 2008
Could we not just try for a happy medium? If people constantly post attacks on the programme I think the BEEB will soon turn around and say that GW has outlived it's appeal and cancel it, and that would be a sad day.
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Message 14
Posted by lillismum (U10809606) on Saturday, 6th September 2008
Hear hear archaeologist,we should also be mindful of the fact that the presenters have no say in the finished programm.
I agree it would have been nice to have seen more of the end product,i don't feel qualified to say what i thought of it one way or the other,with such a brief view. -
Message 15
Posted by welshcol (U2301689) on Saturday, 6th September 2008
I gave this load of manure 10 minutes before switching off......Â
You should have persevered for longer than ten minutes
, it did not get a lot better but was easy watching, relaxing gardening without over stimulating camera work and shots. Did not learn a lot, not that long borders are my thing anyway, have the majority got that sort of room? 
but liked the style and logical approach to a new project. I know the easy answer by the Ö÷²¥´óÐã was to throw oodles of money at it but a real world gardener could pick the practical bits out she/he wanted. For GW, even if it was a "special", was not too bad and that's a compliment after some of the recent offerings even allowing for Monty's unplanned and untimely absence from the programme. -
Message 16
Posted by David K (U2221642) on Saturday, 6th September 2008
"all I could see was a sea of grass!"
Quite right! I think you've probably highlighted why the 'one year later' shot was for about two seconds and from a distance. -
Message 17
Posted by Seacarrot (U3012141) on Saturday, 6th September 2008
Well for me it was great, i watched the entire programme with the sound off and the Archers on my I-Pod.
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Message 18
Posted by Amazing (U7102651) on Saturday, 6th September 2008
I quite enjoyed the programme, but kept thinking, how much more is she going to spend? Why didn't Rachel tell us how much it cost. People just starting off don't have any idea of the costings for a little bed never mind a 20 x 3 border.
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Message 19
Posted by Sparky (U6716422) on Saturday, 6th September 2008
I was really looking forward to ths programme, but sadly I was disappointed (yet again). I like Rachael and was interested to hear how long she had been thinking about this border. I firstly wondered why she didn't change the shape (perhaps introducing some curves in the edge). Secondly I wondered how much she had spent and whether she had saved other plants or propogated anything - or grown anything from seed - no - she bought everything. Thirdly, I was really looking forward to seeing how it all looked this year. After the 1 second shot I could only think she didn't feel happy about it, would have liked to hear what went wrong (too many grasses) and how she was going to change things. A lost opportunity in my view.
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Message 20
Posted by Ariadne Knickerbocker (U4534559) on Saturday, 6th September 2008
Could we not just try for a happy medium? If people constantly post attacks on the programme I think the BEEB will soon turn around and say that GW has outlived it's appeal and cancel it, and that would be a sad day. Â
I doubt that will happen on the basis of anything said on this board Rach. Posters have been saying what they would like to see from GW for years and nobody has taken a blind bit of notice.
Interestingly Ken is probably one of the few posters the Ö÷²¥´óÐã would encourage. He never goes off-topic and confines his posts to discussing Gardening on TV which is ultimately the purpose of this board. -
Message 21
Posted by Dancing Dragonflies (U11928307) on Saturday, 6th September 2008
I am all for people saying what they like as long as there is a little balance. The boards of late seem to have been filled with bad tempered gardeners. I wonder though has the national press always commented on the negativity of these message boards, as it seems to have done a lot of late? I particularly find it sad that so many people seem to have written off Toby before he has even had a go.
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Message 22
Posted by Ken Smart (U1158196) on Saturday, 6th September 2008
The boards of late seem to have been filled with bad tempered gardeners.Â
I don't think that this is completely true, Rach. While I've not 'done a count' on opinions, I would have thought that there have been more positive comments, than negative, lately.
I acknowledge your comments on a previous message, when you suggested that all I do is complain these days. Unfortunately, I can't deny this. However, the main thrust of my comments relate to the style of presentation, and not the content. I accept without question that no-one will get a programme which is filled entirely with items of interest to them. The recent 'Rachel' offerings illustrate my misgivings perfectly. The star is Rachel - not the plants. Me me me me. She swans around confiding her family secrets with the viewing public (pass the sickbag). I've got no time for celebrity gardening. Let's be candid - Rachel is no great shakes as a gardener (or am I missing something), and she does nothing that most of us couldn't do. If she wasn't a pretty face, she'd be nothing. She's a drama queen, pure and simple. Is that really what we should be encouraging.
What a pity Carol Klein has a flawed presentational style, because she certainly has the knowledge. Let's hope Buckland can bring a bit of sanity back to Ö÷²¥´óÐã gardening. -
Message 23
Posted by Dancing Dragonflies (U11928307) on Saturday, 6th September 2008
I'm sorry Ken I don't mean to be grumpy at you too, it just gets me down when most of the postings I read are negative and then I pick up a magazine and it is going on about how horrid all the Ö÷²¥´óÐã message board people are, when that really isn't true.
I think the production crew should be tied to a garden fence with Joe and his blinking house plants, so don't get me wrong and think that I am one of those who thinks everying is all rosy with GW. I'm not a fan of Rachael as all my OH seems to do is dribble when he sees her. She is all boots and long hair. I did like many of the plants she chose for the border though, but she went a bit OTT with the grasses. I suspect she was out of her depth with those.
The cost of the border must have been shocking. I can however understand why they show people doing a border with only bought plants as having the time to grow and propergate it all yourself does not tally with the ammount of time people in full time work have.
I would be interested to see them try the same thing again, but going around and only buying from low budget places like Wilkinsons, the supermarkets and a car boot. -
Message 24
Posted by londongreen (U11380141) on Saturday, 6th September 2008
I enjoyed it! Rachels place bares no resemblance to any kind of garden I could ever dream of, but I will always enjoy watching someone show their love of plants and gardening. I know my 2 window boxes can't really compete with a 20 metre border but I can still get ideas, just on a much smaller scale. I can imagine if you were planning to plant a border, this episode would have given some very good advice.
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Message 25
Posted by dannyson (U7870976) on Saturday, 6th September 2008
I also enjoyed the programme - but with many reservations to! As I've said before ... anything with the lovely Rachael in it is good for me as I too sit there dribbling!
But yes - a wealthy owners house and garden with money to spend like theres no tomorrow. I am so envious ..... but if you've got it all - looks and money - why not?
I don't see any harm in this type of gardening programme .. provided we get a balance -- but not necessarily Christines garden - but there we have two extremes!! - in all senses of the word ... if you get my drift!! -
Message 26
Posted by Bluedoyenne (U2341157) on Sunday, 7th September 2008
I enjoyed the programme and started off this post in a positive vein despite the haze that was the end result; I had written how 'we should consider what an awful year it has been', how 'one year is such a short time' etc. etc., all of which is true.
But the truth is that RdT presents herself as a garden professional. Rachel had everything going for her on this project, the garden and situation of her choice, the timing of her choice, a wealth of the very best nurseries from which to source her plants, and the budget to execute the project in one go (and just in case anyone should think this last a small-minded gripe, I have no problem with people who have money spending it as they wish).
The 2-second shot of the finished border was a haze of grasses and didn't appear to have any structure of any kind. Maybe the shot was too short, maybe the camera man had one too many, but where was the height? Where was the structure - even a border largely composed of such beautiful grasses can have structure?
So in the end, even though I enjoyed and learned new things from the programme, it's hard to write positively about it. This was supposed to be the project of a professional in the world of gardening. At the end of the day we can only judge on the end product and this border was, given the resources available to execute it, very ordinary indeed. -
Message 27
Posted by TallyHo (U2364821) on Sunday, 7th September 2008
I too thought the border was a bit of a mish mash, BD. Lovely stuff in it, but apart from colour tone on tone, not a lot of texture and contrast.
I loved my visit to Hidcote as all the borders there had at least one inspired juxtaposition... an example:
I'd never have thought of fennel and buddleia, but it was simple and stunning.
PS I cannot find a way of getting this pic portrait (even though it is in photobucket — any ideas?) -
Message 28
Posted by Bluedoyenne (U2341157) on Sunday, 7th September 2008
Am pc-illiterate although I did manage to download Picasa2 - now to see if I can make a photo public .. and landscape ...
Yipee (you'd have to be as useless as me to understand the joy I feel at this being visible) but sadly it was born 'portrait' and refuses to change.
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Message 29
Posted by Bluedoyenne (U2341157) on Sunday, 7th September 2008
Sorry about that TallyHo, one-track mind and all that - the buddlea/fennel marriage is one I would never have imagined and it looks very good indeed. I do envy you having visited such a wonderful garden.
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Message 30
Posted by the cycling gardener (U2350416) on Sunday, 7th September 2008
"all I could see was a sea of grass!"Â
I agree. I also agree with others that the final 2 second shot of one year on was just that because the border failed to deliver. The quantity of grasses Rachel used would have been best suited to a prairie style planting nearer to the open fields surrounding her garden where they would have blended with the surroundings. They should have been used sparingly for fluidity and movement. She appears to have tried unsuccessfully to marry two gardening styles and was perhaps too determined to include plants she has been desperate to grow rather than those that would have suited the space.
She needs at least 1-1.5m for hedge maintenance -the narrow strip she allowed will never accommodate the necessary ladders. No need to skimp with a large garden.
I'm afraid I agree with another poster that Rachel comes across as an amateur. The end result of the planting shows her lack of understanding of the growing habits of plants and associations that work. We all experiment, that's the fun of it but I expect more from an expert. -
Message 31
Posted by TallyHo (U2364821) on Sunday, 7th September 2008
I came back literally fizzing with ideas and about £30 lighter having bought 3 salvias and a seedum matronalis (all looking great, despite the rain)...
The other showstopper was a Bishop of Llandaff dahlia in front of a cotinus — literally dayglow! -
Message 32
Posted by hypercharleyfarley (U7444019) on Sunday, 7th September 2008
Hello. I think The Cycling Gardener's got it right. Just read all the posts, but would please ask Ken Smart (whose opinions I often agree with!) to watch the whole programme first so that he is seen to base his judgement on the thing in its entirety, rather than on the first ten minutes or so. Having said that, I reckon we need to remember that the presenter probably doesn't have much control over what is finally televised - there must be hours of footage consigned to the cutting room floor, perhaps because the people involved in deciding the final "edited" version aren't gardeners themselves, so don't see the more obvious difficulties e.g. that too-narrow path allowed for hedge cutting. Cheers! Ma.
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Message 33
Posted by greeneddy (U6603838) on Sunday, 7th September 2008
I keep coming back to the question "What was the programme aiming for?".
It wasn't a "how to" programme, because it didn't explain anything - border preparation - hazy background shot of Rachel using a rake, no pics of her digging planting holes, watering things in, spacings,or anything really (and as Cycling Gardener said, that path at the back was far too narrow - I did spot that one at the time, and tried shouting at the telly "that's too narrow!", but it doesn't work, does it?).
And it wasn't a "This is what you can do at home", because the budget and the area were far too big for the average GW viewer's garden (if there is such a thing ...)
And it wasn't really even about garden design, because we weren't shown planting plans, only a hazy wobbly camera shot of a planting list, and a few comments about mixing shrubs with other kinds of plants.
So, having given the matter some thought, I think it suffered from not knowing what it really wanted to be; or maybe it had a really coherent idea of itself, and just suffered on the cutting room floor! -
Message 34
Posted by Little Cornflower (U12037777) on Sunday, 7th September 2008
I have just watched a recording of the programme.I was quite excited because,over the last 2 years I have planted up a long border of similar dimensions to Rachel's.What a disappointment! No really practical tips ( if you discount travelling at least 50miles to a farmer's market to buy commercially grown plants!). No follow up advice and no budgetery advice for those of us who cannot afford hundreds of poundsworth of plants in 2litre pots.I used cuttings, plugs and small plants and it still nearly bankrupted me!!
The end shot of the border this July seemed to be dominated by grasses, there was hardly any colour to be seen. Another missed opportunity of a programme! -
Message 35
Posted by Little Cornflower (U12037777) on Sunday, 7th September 2008
Ooops...meant to add that I thought Rachel presented the programme well, it was the content which was a bit thin ( too many shots of her opening boxes and not enough digging and planting). As has been previously mentioned, this may have been the fault of editing and does not necessarily reflect on Rachel either as a gardener or a presenter
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Message 36
Posted by Obelixx (U2157162) on Monday, 8th September 2008
I haven't had time to view it yet so will do so witha sense of doom or trepidation I expecta fetr reading all this.
I did just want to say hello to Charlie's Ma and ask how he and the accomplice are doing. -
Message 37
Posted by kath74 (U8999103) on Monday, 8th September 2008
I thought there were too many grasses. RdT did plant some shrubs which would be still quite small a year on, so I think the overall effect will improve when these are established. Then a year or 2 later it'll be clear that the border's not deep enough and the shrubs are too near the hedge.
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Message 38
Posted by hypercharleyfarley (U7444019) on Monday, 8th September 2008
Hi Obs! off topic I know, but all fine here - will post on TAPS for you. Cheers! Ma.
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Message 39
Posted by Daffodil-Lily (U11040728) on Monday, 8th September 2008
I just wanted to say that I really enjoyed Rachel's programme as it was nice to have a bit of fantasy after the dreary summer we've had and knowing that the waterlogged muddy clay bog that is euphemistically known as my back garden is still sitting there waiting for me to have some inspiration as to what to do with it!
I know we can't all have beautiful large gardens surrounding a picturesque Cotswold country house but I found myself watching Rachel creating her border in the same way that I might watch Escape to the Country. It was interesting to see how she went about her project deciding on her colour theme for the border and choosing the planting around that. It was also enlightening seeing a gardening professional go about how she buys in her plants. I'm now planning a trip to that Burford Garden Centre although I think it will probably be the garden centre equivalent of a bit of window shopping as it certainly didn't look cheap.
I agree that the final shot of the border one year on was very disappointing but perhaps that may have something to do with the weather conditions that the border will have been subjected to between July 2007 and July 2008! -
Message 40
Posted by ann (U2872048) on Monday, 8th September 2008
This was not quality gardening - it was an indulgence towards Rachel dT and ended up proving how less should be more when it comes to grasses. There are so many gardeners of quality in this counntry with gardens which are truly inspirational.
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Message 41
Posted by 1stClassAlan (U2459016) on Monday, 8th September 2008
posted by greeneddy
Zoom in, zoom out. Rachel's face, Rachel's boots. Rachel's spice jars, Rachel's planting list.Â
As I have said many, many times before - zoom and out on Rachel as much as you like Mr Cameraman - I shall be watching ! -
Message 42
Posted by greeneddy (U6603838) on Monday, 8th September 2008
Oh, so THAT was the point of the programme!
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Message 43
Posted by marcia (U2338697) on Monday, 8th September 2008
It's all been said but thought I would add my tuppence worth anyway.
No gardening skills just me me me (who's interested? Not me, myself or I.)
No budgeting clues. So, what did that cost the TV licence payers?
No lingering or close up views of the end result, maybe because it looked quite a mess and there were TOO MANY grasses!! No month by month viewing of the bed's progress either.
Even the most basic amatuer could dig a plot (or have it dug over for them?), buy some shrubs at a GC, dot them around in 3s and 5s, shuffle them around and then dig holes to pop them in. What did we learn? Best aspect? Soil conditions required? Feeding? general maintenance and after-care? Pah!
Had to laugh at the comment about "opening bedroom curtains and ooooh .. there's a Ö÷²¥´óÐã camera crew". Rachel clearly learned a lot from Cherie Blair and had fortunately taken the opportunity to brush her long, thick, dark, lustrous hair and put the basic slap on.
Come on Ö÷²¥´óÐã plah--eeze!! Let's have some gardening.
Is Rachel de T to the garden what Nigella Lawson is to the kitchen? Discuss. -
Message 44
Posted by Dancing Dragonflies (U11928307) on Monday, 8th September 2008
Well no doubt that is what the dodgy production team are aiming for.
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Message 45
Posted by Paul N (U6451125) on Tuesday, 9th September 2008
I do like Rachel a lot but -
1. For the first time she seemed ill at ease in front of the cameras. Perhaps she was uncertain as to how successful the border would turn out?
2. When using a spade, place the left boot on the top of it and press down. It DID LOOK as if the digging had been done for her as she faffed around with the spade.
3. I agree that the narrow strip of land between border and hedge was hopeless. Was there room to get a stepladder in there when the hedge needs cutting?
4. The fleeting glimpse of the finished border suggested to me too that it was a bit of a mess and hadn't worked.
I do like Rachel, she's articulate and very attractive and normally presents very well but this was one of her off days IMO. -
Message 46
Posted by Amazing (U7102651) on Tuesday, 9th September 2008
Just remembered something that I noticed when watching. Rachel was trimming the grass at front of border and she was going the wrong way with trimmer, to the right instead of to the left.
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Message 47
Posted by the cycling gardener (U2350416) on Tuesday, 9th September 2008
I'm going to give her the benefit of the doubt and suggest that either she is left handed or the Director told her to trim towards the camera (better that we see her moving towards us than away).
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Message 48
Posted by TallyHo (U2364821) on Tuesday, 9th September 2008
Marcia — totally agree.
I thought this programme (with emphasis) short-changed viewers and license payers alike (if we contributed towards the cost) — plants to stock a far smaller border than this, bought mail order cost well over £600... although RdT doesn't irritate me with her presenting style.
Far too much shopping, parcel unwrapping and girlish glee too little of design principles, planting plans and maintenance. -
Message 49
Posted by Lynnace (U8872386) on Tuesday, 9th September 2008
I taped this programme thinking that as a beginner I would learn lots of really useful things. I watched it last night and deleted it immediately it finished. For me it totally lacked variety of colours and therefore extremely bland. As everyone else has said 'too many grasses' which also hid what little colour there was, apart from the odd Rose
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Message 50
Posted by nannyjoys (U9691187) on Tuesday, 9th September 2008
i thoroughly enjoyed watching the only draw back for me was the phone call which meant i didnt see all of it typical!!!!
i personally dont like joe swift and sarah raven sends me to sleep i am dreading toby -BUT isnt this what we want a different theme each week its not so long ago that people were complaining about it being all grow your own
veg i am one of the hardest people to please in all things but even i admit i have to give and take and happily this week i was able to take!
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