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Gardeners' World 17th October
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Message 1.Â
Posted by lily_host (U7627099) on Friday, 17th October 2008
Hello,
It's a great programme this week, packed with loads of tips to get your garden ready for winter. You can watch a preview of what's to come in the programme with our clip:
Come back after the show to share your views and don't forget you can also post comments on the blog:
Hope you enjoy the programme. -
Message 2
Posted by Ken Smart (U1158196) on Friday, 17th October 2008
I read with interest the comments of Rosemary Edwards (via the Blogs link supplied above), and found it difficult not to be sneering when she declares she reads the comments on this board 'religiously', and takes note. How on earth can this woman profess to be listening when there has been a prolonged campaign against some of the imbecilic camerawork we've had to endure over a prolonged period. Rosemary makes no mention of these dissenting voices. She emphasises that they've applied HD technology to the programme, and that they've taken on board the complaints of viewers. No indications given as to when she started to take note of board opinions, and what exactly has been changed. Does this infer that she personally was originally in favour of the blurry/flashbangwallop/through the long grass style of filming we've endured in recent times? She then states that many people love Joe's allotment (she's 'aving a larf), but omits to mention that the overwhelming majority of contributers to this board thought it was hellish from start to finish (if only it would finish). This was a wonderful opportunity wasted for those of us interested in vegetables. It was probably yourself who decided to get rid of the much-loved introductory music, when there wasn't anyone who stated they were sick of it. I've seen about 20 minutes of GW during the last 3 weeks, and honestly can't understand where my enthusiasm for it has gone. I certainly haven't made any decisions not to bother with it in future. I don't even mind the new presenter (though I cringe at the horrendously stilted dialogue between him and Alys), and realise that the content of any programme can't always be to my personal liking. Therefore it must be just the chavvy filming techniques which is completely turning me off. Tell us Rosemary, how long is it until we look into someone's ear or up their nose while they're talking - while the camera circles around? Instead of wasting your time on a blog, please try turning Gardeners' World back into a programme for adults - then we can all thoroughly enjoy the latest advances in HD broadcasting.
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Message 3
Posted by Ariadne Knickerbocker (U4534559) on Friday, 17th October 2008
Is it that time of month again Ken?
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Message 4
Posted by mysteryletterboxs (U1950653) on Friday, 17th October 2008
I read with interest the comments of Rosemary Edwards etc etc.............Â
Oh! how I agree with everyword Ken. Yours is a voice for all of us who enjoy uncluttered programmes and sensible camera work. -
Message 5
Posted by Pip (U2800217) on Friday, 17th October 2008
Odd camera work is spreading too. If you think Joe's imaginary friend stage left is offputting, we watched an excellent documentary last night where one of the experts - an intelligent and interesting man - addressed everything to a point about 18" above the camera.
I suspect the poor chap was suffering with nerves, but he looked like a saint appealing for divine assistance! -
Message 6
Posted by Little Cornflower (U12037777) on Friday, 17th October 2008
If you're reading this Rosemary -pleeeaassse get rid of Alys!!!! Her dialogue and accent are as phoney and contrived as the spelling of her name!!
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Message 7
Posted by Dancing Dragonflies (U11928307) on Friday, 17th October 2008
What rot Jayelle, you want to get rid of Alys because you don't like her accent and name. I'm not sure if I can even be bothered to go on JAYELLE what kind of a name is that?? Pot kettle black?
Alys is a an interesting, intelligent gardner with a good dose of individuality, just like Carol. I hope they both continue to appear on the programme. -
Message 8
Posted by everhopeful (U11289037) on Friday, 17th October 2008
I agree with you archeolist rach
I think Alys is great and how dare anyone complain about her accent, I suppose they think the likes of Lorraine Kelly(nice person) speaks well. I cant understand a word she says.
Alys and Carol are natural and intelligent and its what they say not how they say it. -
Message 9
Posted by David K (U2221642) on Friday, 17th October 2008
If it's any consolation, Strictly Come Dancing boards are awash with similar complaints about camera work....they do it coz they know they can!
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Message 10
Posted by Orange Blossom (U13454540) on Friday, 17th October 2008
At least Strictly is little more tounge in cheek entertainment, it's really off putting when you are actually trying to concentrate on GW and the camera dissapears off into the sky to follow a hot air balloon!
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Message 11
Posted by Sparky (U6716422) on Friday, 17th October 2008
Agree with everything you say Ken, its very difficult to feel that ANYONE is taking notice of what we say here.
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Message 12
Posted by Ariadne Knickerbocker (U4534559) on Friday, 17th October 2008
I watch Raymond Blanc's Restaurant series and noticed there were the same fancy shots, close-ups, clever camera-work etc. on there. But for some reason it doesn't jar. It would be interesting to see a "plain" version of GW - no 'interesting camerawork', no music, just talking to camera and then see a version of the same with the all singing and dancing bits thrown in. I'll bet a lot of people would be quite disappointed by the former.
Just a thought. -
Message 13
Posted by Ken Smart (U1158196) on Friday, 17th October 2008
Is it that time of month again Ken?Â
Oh, how well you know me - although to be fair, it was only a reflex reaction to reading the 'blog' I was directed to, and I honestly (honestly) hadn't planned to whine again when I logged in. I just find it remarkable that Rosemary has the gall to produce a blog for our consumption, when writing her resignation would be a better use of her time. -
Message 14
Posted by U13353675 (U13353675) on Friday, 17th October 2008
Sparky they never have and never will pay attention to what people say on this message board.
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Message 15
Posted by ginko73 (U1021148) on Friday, 17th October 2008
Ooh what a load of moaners! I like Alys, great jumper she had on tonight. I haven't noticed any particular camerawork as I am normally too busy watching and not looking for faults. Keep up the good work!
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Message 16
Posted by mcspanna (U7544489) on Friday, 17th October 2008
Really enjoyed the show tonight, camerawork appeared much improved on previous weeks. Only one small grumble was that there wasn't any more of Carol as I particularly enjoyed her bit tonight
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Message 17
Posted by Gardenballet (U4233452) on Friday, 17th October 2008
I missed tonight's programme, but will look forward to watching it on the internet tomorrow. (Not the same as snuggling up on the sofa on a Friday night though!)
I do not like to hear any criticism of Alys. I love her beautiful, clear speech; a charming, knowledgeable presenter.
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Message 18
Posted by U2331885 (U2331885) on Friday, 17th October 2008
Did anyone else notice that Alys Fowler wears Mrs Merton glasses to distract from her very pronounced "Crow Feet"?
And is the bloke down the pub correct in saying that her father used to have a allotment just off Albert Square? Or am I just been sucked in to watching a garden orientated soap opera with more presenters/characters than viewers?
I'm an expert at gardening! But having studied this Board for eons as well as watching Gardeners' World - I just want to fit in with the other contributors, sartorial and satirical commentators! -
Message 19
Posted by sparklingsnowleapord (U3848262) on Saturday, 18th October 2008
I dont know whats a matter with you lot.All you concentrate on is camera work accents what glasses people are wearing i could go on.
If the program does not suit most of you why do you watch it?
I loved last nights program once again and the variety was good.
I have one critisism.
Toby dont go back to GH program hes my all time favorite presenter try and make the program your own you are good enough to do it.
I liked the making of the cloch well done GW. -
Message 20
Posted by Bluedoyenne (U2341157) on Saturday, 18th October 2008
I loved seeing how the cloche was made and feel that the production team did take my comment on board about seeing how things are done from start to finish and with good solid camerawork to boot. So thank you team for that.
Joe, IMHO, is beginning to get the 'feel' for his allotment space now and I'm looking forward to seeing how he progresses. I genuinely hope he will not be discouraged by the comments here and give up.
Alys, I just don't know. She has no specific role in the programme and is always assigned 'fill-up' or 'bitty' parts. There's something missing from her presence on the programme and it is possibly the case that there's one presenter too many. Joe and CK have specific projects. TB is trying to fill the lead role of a generalist which leaves Alys with nowhere to go. I do sympathise with her as I feel she does 'know her stuff' but is not in a position to demonstrate it.
Carol, always a gem. Always inspiring. A true plants person who, in my opinion, deserves more time to herself on GW. -
Message 21
Posted by Salino (U2550900) on Saturday, 18th October 2008
I like Toby and GW generally but one thing about last night's I had to comment on. The piece about Crairie gardens in Scotland. They sent Joe Swift up there to see the Autumn colour [last years], but the only tree that got a mention was a Rhododendron Falconeri plus a few meagre shots of a tree here and there plus a bit of running water. I thought this segment one of the most ridiculously short and wasted efforts in all the years I've been watching this programme.
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Message 22
Posted by Stressed out (U11163734) on Saturday, 18th October 2008
Another good program, 1/2 hour was over all too quickly. Cheap and cheerful
Planted 3 of my favourite small bulbs.
In the spring could we possibly have an hour long program for February, March and April? -
Message 23
Posted by bookhimdano (U10771514) on Saturday, 18th October 2008
another great show.
talking of pumpkins
What do you get if you divide the circumference
of a pumpkin by its diameter?
Pumpkin pi.
and on bulbs
Bulb: potential flower buried in Autumn, never to be seen again.
yes its fun-gi time! -
Message 24
Posted by Wild_Poppy (U12213290) on Saturday, 18th October 2008
I really enjoyed last nights programme, there were some really usefull tips, especially the cloche, its great to see them making things themselves and not buying them ready made.
I also want to say congratulations to Joe and his allotment, I hope he continues with it, and keeps us updated with his progress, I think hes done a great job for a first timer.
I have to say that I don't notice the camera work, i'm concentrating too much on the plants and listening for the next tip!
Keep up the good work! -
Message 25
Posted by little-ann (U12937473) on Saturday, 18th October 2008
i have just watched G W on video, i enjoyed it especially Carol dividing her plants she always explains why you should do things a certain way and doesn't leave you with more Questions than answers. im sure we will get used to T B given time it took a while for Monty after Alan
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Message 26
Posted by stainedsteel (U12904524) on Saturday, 18th October 2008
"I do not like to hear any criticism of Alys. I love her beautiful, clear speech; a charming, knowledgeable presenter."
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Agree with you, Gardenballet - but I also agree with the criticism that some of the dialogue (script, I should say) between Alys and Toby is very stilted. I suppose that Alys is a newbie presenter and therefore doesn't know how to speak a script naturally; but I feel it would be better to give them more scope for ad libbing instead of forcing Alys to learn a script.
Loving Toby. I think his all-round gardening knowledge is so much greater than Monty's -- and he's got such a sweet, little boy's face! -
Message 27
Posted by stainedsteel (U12904524) on Saturday, 18th October 2008
"I read with interest the comments of Rosemary Edwards (via the Blogs link supplied above), and found it difficult not to be sneering when she declares she reads the comments on this board 'religiously', and takes note."
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Ken, you must be watching a different programme than me. I feel that it's glaringly obvious that some of the criticisms voiced in this forum have been addressed by the production team in recent weeks. The camerawork is already much better and much more appropriate than it was earlier in the year. I don't notice the music, to be honest, and I assume that is the aim of all good incidental music.
But best of all, how fortunate are we to have GW in HD? Not a lot of Ö÷²¥´óÐã programmes have been given this privilege but, obvious as it may be to many here that gardening is a no-brainer for HD, the Ö÷²¥´óÐã hasn't got around to making a lot of other good programmes in HD yet.
I suppose the majority of viewers don't yet have the tools in order to watch GW in HD - and to them I can only say go forward and upgrade because GW in HD is stonkingly good.
Ms Edwards has done good imho. -
Message 28
This posting has been hidden during moderation because it broke the in some way.
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Message 29
Posted by hypercharleyfarley (U7444019) on Saturday, 18th October 2008
Hello - did anybody notice that the cloche they used on the veg bed didn't seem to be the one that we saw being made? Does that mean that using one strut across the top isn't strong enough? Am sure the one they used had two...... Cheers! Ma.
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Message 30
Posted by toonia (U4760062) on Saturday, 18th October 2008
Hi Ma!
Yes, I noticed that the cloche handed over to Alys was far more a finished product than the one we saw being made - I thought it had three struts!
We obviously didn't see the whole process, the plastic was all neatly pleated too. -
Message 31
Posted by DunDigging (U11471527) on Saturday, 18th October 2008
A lot on camera work (which I think was improved this week) and a slight at poor old Alys.
Good work Toby. The new style is much more practical and I'm always surprised at the amount of advice packed into 30 minutes.
I agree with the comments about Joe's allotment and notice that Alys sometimes wears contacts as well as having changed her glasses since the first programme. But I've always enjoyed Als's slot for its practical nature.
Loving the programme like I used to.
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Message 32
Posted by maybeepraps (U10095780) on Saturday, 18th October 2008
The word 'frenetic' was used to describe Carol and I totally agree! I prayed she wouldn't be chosen as the lead as she would have worn me out with her over-enthusiastic language and every plant being her favourite! Some of the practical advice Toby has offered is new to me and very helpful. As for the cloche, 'one I made earlier' imitating cookery shows. Why not?
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Message 33
Posted by hdehoon (U2175617) on Saturday, 18th October 2008
I really like to watch GW again. Toby is great, good tips. Can´t find anything wrong with the camerawork. Half an hour is OK.
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Message 34
Posted by greenfinger (U13641674) on Saturday, 18th October 2008
I cant believe how petty some of these comments are. I think Alys is potentially one of the best presenters as she is a breath of fresh air. Quirky and very knowledgable. If the Ö÷²¥´óÐã is serious about wanting to attract a younger audience to this programme then Alys rocks. And I love her four legged sidekick.
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Message 35
Posted by welshcol (U2301689) on Saturday, 18th October 2008
"I do not like to hear any criticism of Alys. I love her beautiful, clear speech; a charming, knowledgeable presenter."Â
Totally agree I think Alys brings a breath of knowledgeable fresh air to the show and as I have said before I think as time goes on her and Toby will make a great GW team.
Show is getting better by the week and now that the zoomy camera work seems to have reduced and even Carol is not quite so hyper have thoroughly enjoyed the programme(s) in their entirety. Surely cannot be far away before they revert to and hour long programme to expand on some of the gardening detail that is so obviously curtailed in the confines of the 30 minute slot.
None the less
to all concerned and still comforting to see Monty's sleeves in the opening shots- trust he is keeping well. -
Message 36
Posted by bookhimdano (U10771514) on Sunday, 19th October 2008
for me the most important point was the use of the soil thermometer which gives people an understanding why something, in this case late sowing, might work. excellent.
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Message 37
Posted by Obelixx (U2157162) on Sunday, 19th October 2008
I agree with Ken and have said before that Rosemary Edwards is a disaster and should go.
Like others, I spotted the differences in the cloche being made and the final product but it's easy enough to add the extra struts for security and do a neat job on teh plastic so no problems. I appreciated the nod to Geoff's genius and practicality too, along with the shortcuts available now.
I find Alys' contributions always clearly explained and thought TB's tips on pumpkin harvesting were excellent as were Carol's tips on propagating early flowering perennials and leaving late one still spring. Even Joe had some usual advice with his comfrey planting by the compost heaps. Whatever next?
Good programme this week but too short. -
Message 38
Posted by macymole (U9085545) on Sunday, 19th October 2008
I think Alys has been far better since T.B. arrived. I think she is being given a better platform. She seems to have a dedicated slot rather than Monty arriving and peering over her shoulder. G.W. is great at the moment. I think so anyway.
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Message 39
Posted by farmerfewy (U13172836) on Sunday, 19th October 2008
Hey, what's wrong with Alys' accent? I could think of a lot more accents that could make you cringe!!! I live in Hull and you would really not want a presenter on who has our accent !
Didn't notice any dodgy camera angles this week, but then again I did fall asleep half way through. Nothing to do with the programme may I add. Enjoyed Joe's allotment slot but I've only just took my allotment on and so am keen to see how its 'done'. I suppose like most things you can only please some of the people all the time and all of the people some of the time!! 
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Message 40
Posted by Gaynor Witchard (U11583299) on Sunday, 19th October 2008
Rosemary Edwards is NOT a disaster...keep it going girl! This is a worthy gardening programme and I think it always has been, is and will be the best!
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Message 41
Posted by merrycarnation (U9382321) on Sunday, 19th October 2008
Am I bovvered !!!! Watch if you like it, don't watch if you don't ,
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Message 42
Posted by Kerry-ia (U12483782) on Monday, 20th October 2008
Really enjoyed the programme on Friday but it seems to me there are too many regular presenters for the half hour programmes. When the programmes were 1 hour long everyone had time for their slot/projects but now with less time it doesn't seem to work so well. Hopefully we will return to the 1 hour programmes but if not I think they need to lose one of the regular support presenters.
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Message 43
Posted by Gianttrowel (U10674701) on Monday, 20th October 2008
IMHO I think the programme is bedding down nicely but there are still too many things crammed in. Please make it longer or cover less but more thoroughly
I must say that I dont really know what it is about the camera work that everyone is getting so het up about.
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Message 44
Posted by greeneddy (U6603838) on Monday, 20th October 2008
1. At 9:04pm on 17 Oct 2008, Posynose wrote:
That's very good that you listen to THE message board, but do you realise how many gardeners there are out there who participate with others via a computer who reguard the Ö÷²¥´óÐã message board as a bit of a laughing stock? If that is THE only message board you take any notice of, you are all very narrow minded. Ö÷²¥´óÐã or not, perhaps you should look over your own garden fence now and then at the real world.Â
As per your advice, nepenthes, I went to look at the blogs. This, in reply to the producer's latest blog, is the first message I came across.
I have found the message-board to be, as is stated on the 'cover', a place of lively debate and, also of some wit and wise-cracking. I have learnt some things, offered advice and had a good laugh.
But it don't feel good to hear that the Board is considered by some gardeners out there to be a laughing stock. Even if they can't spell "regard"
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Message 45
Posted by the cycling gardener (U2350416) on Tuesday, 21st October 2008
1. At 9:04pm on 17 Oct 2008, Posynose wrote:
That's very good that you listen to THE message board, but do you realise how many gardeners there are out there who participate with others via a computer who reguard the Ö÷²¥´óÐã message board as a bit of a laughing stock? Quoted from this messageÂ
I've read some. "Laughing stock" is putting it nicely. It's sneering derision actually. -
Message 46
Posted by Ariadne Knickerbocker (U4534559) on Tuesday, 21st October 2008
It's quite interesting isn't it. A lot of those that knock the Beeb boards (mainly the TV board I guess) seem to fall into one of these categories
a) Those that left the Beeb because they wanted to chat about their kids/health/problems/whinges/the war and were prevented from doing so on the Beeb because they were off topic
b) Those that feel it is OK for them to take a pot-shot at presenters, programmes etc. but not for the hoi polloi posting on the beeb. A certain amount of snobbery there methinks although mostly their comments will pass for humour, whereas the Beeb posters are just mentalists.
Despite its shortcomings the Beeb attracts a much wider audience of posters than other more specialised boards and blogs. Is it representative of the Gardeners World viewing public? Probably. God help us! -
Message 47
Posted by Ken Smart (U1158196) on Wednesday, 22nd October 2008
Dear Mods (says he trying to be polite), I thank you for your notification that my last posting has been 'modded' after many days in public view. I can only assume that you've been sleeping during this time, or more likely, someone has objected to an element which was within it, and you felt obliged to act. The message certainly wasn't a classic, and I'm not going to cry about having it reinstated - but I am hugely puzzled as to the reasons for it's belated withdrawal. You don't specify which element in the message caused offense, but since the bulk of it was flattering towards Gardeners' World, I deduce that it was my final sentence which related to Rosemary Edwards. It was of course, no more than hyperbole - a bit of innocent frippery - and I'm astonished that this has attracted your disapproval. If I'd said that 'she should be for the high jump', would someone really think that I was implying that she should be hung at dawn. The expression 'he/she should be shot' is still in everyday use, and no-one I know has ever thought that this is what is seriously suggested. Even the way my remark was couched gave an indication that this wasn't a serious suggestion. It would therefore be helpful if you could give a quick indication of just what caused this belated 'chop', and whether on reflection, you don't think it was just a bit ill-considered.
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Message 48
Posted by moderator (U2305248) on Wednesday, 22nd October 2008
Ken, the mods do not discuss their decisions on the board. If you'd like further feedback, you can respond to the email that you received.
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Message 49
Posted by Greengirl (U5195373) on Wednesday, 22nd October 2008
I think it's great that people are coming up with suggestions to improve GW, but I for one am glad that there is at least one gardening programme on TV. I will watch anything to do with gardening & wish that GW was longer, ran through the whole year not just the so called growing season (when does the growing season stop for goodness sake? I garden all year round.)I would just love it if there were gardening programmes every night - I'm not obsessed or anything
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Message 50
Posted by Nanpickle (U8967581) on Wednesday, 22nd October 2008
I'm with you Greengirl - I am in 7th Heaven when we get an hour and a half on a Friday in Spring and will do anything to avoid going out, I don't even answer the phone - how sad am I ????? Nan x
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