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Alys - a 'know it all' ... :)
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Message 1.聽
Posted by dannyson (U7870976) on Monday, 29th December 2008
Has it already been mentioned? ... I just loved the bit where Tony said Alys was a 'know it all' - and the hidden expression on her face ... first class.... superb!! I 'like' them all - but maybe Alys needed a bit of a put down! - could you live with her? .... not me..... what you reckon?
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Message 2
Posted by hotsunlover (U5664870) on Monday, 29th December 2008
My DBH agrees with you Dannyson!
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Message 3
Posted by dannyson (U7870976) on Monday, 29th December 2008
DBH? - scuse my total ignorance please.........
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Message 4
Posted by Ariadne Knickerbocker (U4534559) on Tuesday, 30th December 2008
Dannyson, I wonder if your attitude towards Alys is based on an inferiority complex. Often people with 'posh' accents or those who are well educated engender these kind of feelings in people who perhaps don't have a great deal of confidence in themselves and feel threatened by it.
I think Alys does know a great deal - as head gardener at Berryfields she would be expected to. Why should she dumb herself down for the sake of the lowest common denominator of the audience? The rest of the show does that already. I also think her screen presence improves with every programme and look forward to her slots more than the others.
My husband totally agrees with me. -
Message 5
Posted by paperwhite (U6380063) on Tuesday, 30th December 2008
Sorry Venus Mantrap but I think you are looking too deeply into Dannyson's posting. I personally dont like Alys either but not for any of the reasons you have concocted. Your theory could be transfixed to your chosen 'name' on these boards, so be careful in what you write.
With that I wish yu a happy new year.
Paperwhite -
Message 6
Posted by Ariadne Knickerbocker (U4534559) on Tuesday, 30th December 2008
Maybe you are right Paperwhite, I think I was trying to concoct an excuse for Dannyson's rude and insulting post rather than just accept that some people are just like that.
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Message 7
Posted by Paul N (U6451125) on Tuesday, 30th December 2008
Handbags at dawn!
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Message 8
Posted by paperwhite (U6380063) on Tuesday, 30th December 2008
I quite understand.
I think there is a huge majority of viewers who are totally frustrated at how the format of our much beloved Gardeners World is heading and at not appearing to be listened to.
I am sure both Toby and Alys would be very acceptable if they were given a more defined direction, one with a better structure, perhaps showing us how to design a garden in the early months, flower, vegetable and green house and throughout the year continue to show how to tend these, including pruning and propagation but also include other items such as visiting other gardens and how to care for our countryside e.t.c.
We the viewers are either beginners or seasoned gardeners who are passionate about our hobby and we all tune in for advice and inspiration which sadly has been missing since September. I live in hope that next season will prove different.
I wish you a Happy New Year Venus Mantrap. -
Message 9
Posted by paperwhite (U6380063) on Tuesday, 30th December 2008
Absalutely Not Paul!
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Message 10
Posted by Dancing Dragonflies (U11928307) on Tuesday, 30th December 2008
I can totally understand your point of view Venus and have thought the same a few times over the past months when I have seen negative comments about Alys.
Having lived in Yorkshire, Lincolnshire, Cambridgeshire, Birmingham, Berkshire, Gloucestershire and Wiltshire during the course of my life I have seen the varying attitudes that people have to a 'middle class' lass with a softly spoken southern accent. I was thoroughly depressed for the first few months I lived in Sheffield as people were so aggressively anti 'southerners' and at 21 I was totally naive and thought that everyone should be judged on their own merits, not where they were born or how they spoke. I had never heard of the north/south divide until I had experienced that. I soon learnt to ignore those attitudes and loved living in Sheffield. I am however acutely aware now of how easy it is for people to dislike someone purely based on their background.
I really enjoy watching Alys and it is because she has a clear love for plants and horticulture. I found the piece where they showed her garden on GW earlier in the season thoroughly inspiring and it made me want to get out and do more in my own garden.
I wish people could get over going on and on about how they don't like Alys's name or class, or Carol's enthusiasm or voice. They both provide a lot of useful and interesting content to the show and I for one look forward to watching and learning from them. -
Message 11
Posted by paperwhite (U6380063) on Tuesday, 30th December 2008
If your last paragraph is true then stop adding fuel to the already over discussed discussion!
Move onand enjoy what ever accent and position you feel you have in life and let others do the same.
Toby and Alys have only their producer to blame for puttig them in this negative spotlight. -
Message 12
Posted by paperwhite (U6380063) on Tuesday, 30th December 2008
Seveal spelling/grammer mistakes in last posting-my apologies.
I just wish the 'organ grinder' to this particular programe would either take our advice or move on and let someone else 'have a go'. -
Message 13
Posted by Dancing Dragonflies (U11928307) on Tuesday, 30th December 2008
I feel it is perfectly reasonable of me to add some positive comments about Alys amidst the sea of constant negative ones. I don't see why all the bitter grumps are allowed to voice their comments and I can't share my own thoughts too. Freedom of speach and all that, you have had your say, am I not allowed to join the discussion too?
"Move on and enjoy what ever accent and position you feel you have in life and let others do the same." I'm sorry I thought that was what I had just said. I don't quite understand why you are being hostile to me Paperwhite? -
Message 14
Posted by paperwhite (U6380063) on Tuesday, 30th December 2008
Because you are just digging up old ground again! and yes so am I with regard to the producer but I would like to think my thoughts are more constructive rather than distructive towards the programe and not the presenters themselves.
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Message 15
Posted by Dancing Dragonflies (U11928307) on Tuesday, 30th December 2008
Well I felt I had made a valid point to share. I'm so sorry it didn't meet with your approval, I didn't realise all posts had to be vetted by you before posting. Perhaps you should give me your e-mail and then I can send my postings for approval beforehand rather than suffer your negative bile yet again.
Yes we know the production is rubbish, dare I say it... "you are digging up old ground again". This thread was about Alys and I replied to it. Simple as that. You however seem to feel the need to attack me for joining in the debate. Or is it just because you don't like my point of view.
Get over yourself Paperwhite; your vindictiveness is totally unnecessary. -
Message 16
Posted by paperwhite (U6380063) on Tuesday, 30th December 2008
I am very sorry you feel this way, I am by no means a negative or vindictive person but I feel you have other issues which may need addressing and they have nothing to do with gardening which is my only concern with my posting.
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Message 17
Posted by Dancing Dragonflies (U11928307) on Tuesday, 30th December 2008
What a load of tosh! -
Message 18
Posted by paperwhite (U6380063) on Tuesday, 30th December 2008
No, have re-read my postings and nothing I wrote necessitated your earlier reply. I hereby endeth this posting as it is getting 'out of hand'.
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Message 19
Posted by Dancing Dragonflies (U11928307) on Tuesday, 30th December 2008
Well I can breath a sigh of relief that you have "hereby endeth this posting". I guess I better go run along and deal with my 鈥渋ssues鈥 like a good little girl.
I share a honest and open life anecdote with you and all you can do is contrive that I have 鈥渋ssues鈥. -
Message 20
Posted by paperwhite (U6380063) on Tuesday, 30th December 2008
I haven't written on this board for many weeks if not months as have alot of other people purely because of comments similar to yours relating accents and class, it is old hat and boring. It just is not necessary. We all have one thing in common and that is our love of gardening and that in itself crosses any prejudice, well I thought it did. I am sorry if I have offended you as this was never my intention but I still do not think I deserved your comments and to prove my sincerity I wish you a happy new year.
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Message 21
Posted by little-ann (U12937473) on Tuesday, 30th December 2008
i thought you were ending this posting paperwhite
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Message 22
Posted by Dancing Dragonflies (U11928307) on Tuesday, 30th December 2008
So you are saying that because I posted a positive comment encouraging people to enjoy the knowledge being offered to them rather than pick holes in the presenter鈥檚 backgrounds that I am driving you and others away from the board? That you think my comments are old hat and boring? And then in the same paragraph you say you didn't mean to offend me?
Your words are completely insincere Auricula /Paperwhite or whoever you are. Stop trying to make yourself out as the saint. I am merely standing up for myself as you seem to feel the need to put down and belittle my posting. -
Message 23
Posted by Ken Smart (U1158196) on Tuesday, 30th December 2008
Well, I've enjoyed this little scrap immensely. It's good to see that there is still a bit of 'oomph' left in the board. I was intrigued by Rach's assertion that Alys was perceived as being a little bit on the posh side. I've never been of this opinion, and this again just illustrates how difficult it must be to pitch the level of a programme which will keep the majority of viewers happy. However, I think that once Alys and Toby have enough confidence in themselves to drop the clearly scripted chats, they could actually turn into quite a good double act. Time will tell. In the meantime, I wish my squabbling friends a very good new year, and let's hope that we have a good quality of gardening programme to look forward to in the year ahead.
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Message 24
Posted by Dancing Dragonflies (U11928307) on Tuesday, 30th December 2008
Hi Ken
Venus started it
(well the bit about Alys being posh anyways .....please don't start it off again I'm trying to give my handbag arm a rest)
Hope you have a great New Year and a successful gardening year in 2009
Rach xx -
Message 25
Posted by Obelixx (U2157162) on Tuesday, 30th December 2008
Goodness me PW, you have got your undies in a twist and I can't see why.
As for Dannyson, I fail to see why anyone should need taking down a peg or two for knowing what they are supposed to know in order to do their job and, in this case, that includes being able to articulate information clearly. Alys has the qualifications and experience necessary to be head gardener at Berryfields and her TV presence is improving with experience which is a relief to me given some of the other performances we have been getting recently on GW.
Alan Titchmarsh has a particluar gift for communicating the joys of gardening but I don't see his collection of qualificatins, experience and Yorkshire accent being called into question. I would though, take issue with Joe's lesser experience and mockney.
For me the big problem with GW is the production team. It must be time to think about contracting out this programme to a specialist production company that knows what it's doing - as it was before Monty took over as lead presenter and the Beeb brought the programme back in-house. -
Message 26
Posted by the cycling gardener (U2350416) on Tuesday, 30th December 2008
I haven鈥檛 looked on here for a while then as soon as I do 鈥渨hoosh鈥 鈥 it all kicks off. I don鈥檛 understand why Dannyson thinks Alys might need to be 鈥榩ut down鈥 and takes some delight in interpreting Toby鈥檚 comment as such. I took Toby鈥檚 鈥榢now it all鈥 comment to be tongue-in-cheek 鈥 the sort of thing you鈥檇 normally only say to a chum, if you were very comfortable with the person you were saying to and could predict that they would take it as such. It鈥檚 the sort of thing you certainly wouldn鈥檛 say if you meant it. Alys was perhaps taken aback that Toby came out with it on national television.
I think Alys makes good contributions to GW. Unfortunately, there have been a few negative posts on here about her so called 鈥榩osh鈥 accent. I wonder if it is because as a well spoken, well educated young woman she challenges some conceptions that 鈥榞ardeners鈥 are expected to be working class males, doffing their caps and being 鈥渆ver so 鈥榰mble鈥 like the Uriah Heeps of this world? -
Message 27
Posted by nooj (U13729031) on Tuesday, 30th December 2008
She is experienced, knows her game, and a good communicator - good enough for me.
as for posh - she goes skip-diving for goodness sake!
Nowt posh in that, surely????? -
Message 28
Posted by hotsunlover (U5664870) on Tuesday, 30th December 2008
Dannyson, DBH stands for Dearly beloved Husband. I also think you are as entitled to your opinion a anyone else. Alys grates on my DBH, hopefully not because of her accent as he married me, a southerner through and through
. I am not keen on this mix of presenters and just for the record, other posters are as entiltled to thier opinion as I am. Handbags at dawn will only bring more changes from the mods to this already seriously flagging board.
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Message 29
Posted by kandeakay (U9261848) on Tuesday, 30th December 2008
What on earth is skip-diving??
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Message 30
Posted by Amazing (U7102651) on Tuesday, 30th December 2008
Skip-diving:- when a skip with rubbish stacked high is in your vacinity and you go and have a nose in it and then whip away some of the goods.
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Message 31
Posted by mummyduckegg (U8437139) on Tuesday, 30th December 2008
... which is nowadays IMHO a rather middle-class, Guardian-readers, make-do-and-mend, reuse and recycle type activity. Tabloid readers probably wouldn't be seen dead doing it. I do it too much - everyone round here knows they can offload their junk on me, so I end up with too much clutter! (sorry to disagree nooj, I mean no harm
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Message 32
Posted by Obelixx (U2157162) on Wednesday, 31st December 2008
There are some real treasures to be found is skips in the UK but here you have to go to a brocante which is rather like a car boot sale. Belgians know the value of junk and some of the poshest people I know have bought some pretty wonderful stuff in brocantes. Me too.
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Message 33
Posted by nooj (U13729031) on Wednesday, 31st December 2008
Hi Mummy - I don't mind being disagreed with!
The biggest skip problem where i live is that you pay for one, and then people creep out in the dead of night and fill it with their rubbish!
I wish we had some skip divers so I could fit more of my stuff in. -
Message 34
Posted by jo4eyes (U13654107) on Wednesday, 31st December 2008
Hi all,
Have just read this thread & hasn't it gone off topic a bit?
Alys & co-presenters have to be 'know it all' to teach those viewers that aren't experienced gardeners.
I still watch & still get information sometimes but it doesn't spoil it for me if i don't.
OH gave me Alys' book for Christmas &, although it is supposed to be aimed at beginners, I've still enjoyed it & made notes on topics that I found useful/didn't know. Jo. -
Message 35
Posted by Little Cornflower (U12037777) on Friday, 2nd January 2009
Excuse me Rachel - I USED to write on these boards under the name Auricula - but have NEVER had anything to do with Paperwhite.
I rarely contribute now, and am changing my board name anyway in honour of the New Year, but I would just like to say that I RESENT the implication that I would ever post neagative, inflamatory or divisive messages
Happy New Year to all
P.S. I don't like Alys but don't doubt that she's knowledgeable. -
Message 36
Posted by ~:*-Venus-*:~ (U218978) on Friday, 2nd January 2009
Rachel
If you are going to refer to a poster by name, please use their full user name. I don't wish to be confused with Venus-man-trap and i doubt she wants to be confused with me either. -
Message 37
Posted by Dancing Dragonflies (U11928307) on Friday, 2nd January 2009
Sorry if I have offened any other stroppy women on the TV boards, there are clearly so many of us I just can't keep track.
Rant away if it makes you feel better. -
Message 38
Posted by greeneddy (U6603838) on Friday, 2nd January 2009
What a fun thread!
Venuswhoeveryouareitsmuchtoolongtowriteitalloutanyway, sorry by the time I'd put all that I'd forgotten what comment I was going to make.
Alys - young, intelligent, female, head-gardener, and spreads the re-use/recycle message - more power to her elbow, is what I say.
Stroppy females on the boards - well, nothing new there, then! I may have to consider a change of name (then there'd be no more is she a she, is he a he).
Stroppy Female on the Boards. aka Eddy -
Message 39
Posted by Dancing Dragonflies (U11928307) on Friday, 2nd January 2009
Oh no it is spreading. Not you too Eddy.
Please if there are any further complaints could you take it up with the complaints department ...[IMG]/IMG] -
Message 40
Posted by little-ann (U12937473) on Friday, 2nd January 2009
on top form i see Eddy
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Message 41
Posted by everhopeful (U11289037) on Friday, 2nd January 2009
well well well out of boredom with tv and too cold to garden I thought I wld look into these message boards again after a long deliberate absence(s) due to all the rubbish posted on them.Neednt have bothered its just as boring as watching tv. What a lot of self opinionated people there are around. Why dont you all get a life. I am sure many of you are posting during work time(thats stealing)
My greatest respect to interesting people like Trillium and any others who will know who I mean.
A happy new year to real gardeners. I may try again in the spring time and see if anything has improved. -
Message 42
Posted by greeneddy (U6603838) on Friday, 2nd January 2009
Er . . .I like to think we are all real gardeners (otherwise I would hazard a guess that we would be finding other things to do with our time than contribute to gardening message boards). And, of course, on the other hand, we are all unreal, ie virtual gardeners, as the internet is in some ways a virtual world.
Hurrah for gardeners, real and unreal, and happy new year to all. -
Message 43
Posted by Tigerredwood (U13742280) on Friday, 2nd January 2009
Hello amjo,
We all will look forward to your return, your majesty -
Message 44
Posted by dannyson (U7870976) on Friday, 2nd January 2009
Tee hee ... what a result! ... lots of postings... theres nothing worse than putting on a new post to find it gets few responses.... and the first one accusing me of having an 'inferiority complex' - thats a good one .. love it.....
But my goodness ... forum members here, are, I would say, more 'touchy' and quick to give personal put downs than any other forums I use.... lighten up fellas!
The post was just meant to be a little bit of light hearted banter ... a bit how Tony Buckland used it ... allbeit it directed at Alys (there has to be a 'victim' - sadly) I like Alys and all the GW team ... but I still don't think I could 'live' with any of them!! -
Message 45
Posted by Aspidistra (U11680993) on Saturday, 3rd January 2009
lionredwood!The bit I like is the stealing bit, snigger. As I am self-employed, it is a revelation to myself that I am stealing from myself
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I sincerely look forward to more gems from his/her royal highness Amjo in the spring. -
Message 46
Posted by TallyHo (U2364821) on Saturday, 3rd January 2009
Tee hee ... what a result! ... lots of postings... theres nothing worse than putting on a new post to find it gets few responses.... and the first one accusing me of having an 'inferiority complex' - thats a good one .. love it.....
But my goodness ... forum members here, are, I would say, more 'touchy' and quick to give personal put downs than any other forums I use.... lighten up fellas!聽
You do realise you sound like a classic Troll, don't you?
They love to stoke controversy then sit back to watch the inevitable chaos. Be careful. I'm surprised the mods haven't closed this thread and hope they do. -
Message 47
Posted by nooj (U13729031) on Saturday, 3rd January 2009
Steady on chaps and chappesses!
You do realise its all down to chocolate and relatives overdoses, don't you?
Give us all one nice warm dry day, and we'd all be outside being happy.
Well, most of us -
Message 48
Posted by dannyson (U7870976) on Saturday, 3rd January 2009
A 'classic troll' - what an earths that?
I can see nothing offensive in what I have written ... surely the idea of a forum is to share your thoughts on the subject and stimulate a lively debate ... unfortunatly ... as I've said before ... this is the worst forum I have known for contributors passing judgment about people of which they know nothing!
As far as I see it my contributions are within the guidelines - some of the other responses are not I would suggest. -
Message 49
Posted by greenstella (U13767012) on Saturday, 3rd January 2009
I've just signed up to the messageboard and thought I would have a look to see what other gardeners have written....
I didn't realise I was signing up to a slanging match. -
Message 50
Posted by TallyHo (U2364821) on Saturday, 3rd January 2009
Dannyson. From this...
<quote>I 'like' them all - but maybe Alys needed a bit of a put down! - could you live with her? .... not me..... what you reckon?</quote>
To this... all faux innocence and hypocritical with it.
<quote.this is the worst forum I have known for contributors passing judgment about people of which they know nothing!</quote>
So you know Alys personally do you? Do share...
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