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Does the Ö÷²¥´óÐã take any notice?
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Message 1.Â
Posted by Her outdoors (U1450108) on Tuesday, 12th May 2009
I wonder whether the Ö÷²¥´óÐã is taking any notice of the hundreds of negative messages that are being posted from disgruntled Gardeners' World viewers?
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Message 2
Posted by TheHejhog (U7657776) on Tuesday, 12th May 2009
No. And of course, it's only a handful of people (yourself included) who keep posting the same complaint over and over again.
How many more threads do we need to have about the same issue? Yawn.
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Message 3
Posted by Ariadne Knickerbocker (U4534559) on Tuesday, 12th May 2009
All I have seen from Andy Vernon (Producer), Joe and Toby is justification along the lines of "people always get bothered when we have a new format/presenter but they will all settle down eventually and learn to love it" usually accompanied by the fact that the viewing statistics haven't reflected a recent down turn.
I find those kind of responses as rude and patronizing as the programme. -
Message 4
Posted by Ariadne Knickerbocker (U4534559) on Tuesday, 12th May 2009
PS. See note 7 on this blog from Hort Week. It doesn't cite where the Buckland interview was so I don't know how accurate the source is..
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Message 5
Posted by TheHejhog (U7657776) on Tuesday, 12th May 2009
It was in the Manchester Evening News on 1 May 2009. It was in response to Stefan's sad little rant.
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Message 6
Posted by paperwhite (U6380063) on Tuesday, 12th May 2009
Hejhog, Stefan has never been a favourite presenter of mine but as far as I am concerned he is spot on with his views of this years attempt at Gardeners World, which is poor in content and very amateurish bordering along childish. May I suggest you watch any of the previous presenters, you may actually learn a thing or two.
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Message 7
Posted by Ariadne Knickerbocker (U4534559) on Tuesday, 12th May 2009
I agree with you paperwhite but perhaps we can stick to the original poster's topic which is "Does the Ö÷²¥´óÐã take any notice?" Otherwise Hej is in danger of taking us down the line of "How good/bad is GW" and as he rather rudely pointed out that topic is being covered elsewhere.
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Message 8
Posted by paperwhite (U6380063) on Tuesday, 12th May 2009
My apologies, you are quite right.
In reply to the original posting, I am afraid the answer is a definate NO, like many youngsters the producers don't like to be 'told' anything and are even less likely to act upon a negative although constructive critisism apart from sulk and carry on trying to prove they are right! -
Message 9
Posted by TheHejhog (U7657776) on Tuesday, 12th May 2009
<quote>May I suggest you watch any of the previous presenters, you may actually learn a thing or two.<quote>
Paperwhite,
How patronising!
Hejhog -
Message 10
Posted by paperwhite (U6380063) on Tuesday, 12th May 2009
It was meant to be!
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Message 11
Posted by TheHejhog (U7657776) on Tuesday, 12th May 2009
Now, now, there is simply no need for that. I am entitled to my opinions. They happen to be different from yours. Get over it.
Your behaviour, I am told, is called "flaming". I am sure it's against the House Rules.
Hejhog -
Message 12
Posted by paperwhite (U6380063) on Tuesday, 12th May 2009
You may know a thing or two about gardening but with this series anyone who wants to learn about gardening just isn't getting the chance.
I have been gardening for quite a few years but there is so much more I want to learn! -
Message 13
Posted by Ariadne Knickerbocker (U4534559) on Tuesday, 12th May 2009
Hejhog you have made your points strongly and clearly on a number of threads. You are now resorting to insulting and bullying other people with ideas that are different to yours on this and other threads. You are also off topic for this thread so perhaps you could either stick to the point or take your unpleasantness elsewhere.
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Message 14
Posted by betti_hollyhock (U13954840) on Tuesday, 12th May 2009
I think its a case of the Ö÷²¥´óÐã 'Looking the other way' and taking no notice, by believing all the negative comments are about someone or something else. They can't accept they have got GW new format so dreadfully wrong.
It's the fingers in the ears and, la, la, la, la, la, I'm not listening attitude of the Ö÷²¥´óÐã, not just here in Wales, but in general. -
Message 15
Posted by The_Colonel (U13936630) on Tuesday, 12th May 2009
Does the Ö÷²¥´óÐã take any notice?
I believe most people of this MB already know the answer to this one.
If you don't listen to your audience or consumer, someone else will make the product people are after and consumers will turn away from your brands. When this happens, you might as well turn the lights off, and close the door after you. -
Message 16
Posted by pootles magnet (U11709665) on Tuesday, 12th May 2009
I think they'd be extremely foolish to change a programme based on one messageboard, which is made up of a handful of people who seem to have a similar demographic egging each other on to attack the show.
Personally I enjoy the show, but I largely steer clear of discussions on this section of the gardening board because I feel there's an agressive atmosphere and I get the impression that you are not welcome if you do not share the desire to bash GW. I'm sure I'm not the only person who would far rather just steer clear than get lashed out at by messageboard regulars. So of course this board shows a bias towards the negative view.
However, in this case I'm going to stick my nose in and say I'm extremely glad that the Ö÷²¥´óÐã are making the currently show and not the one I see people suggesting here.
I cannot imagine anything more tedious than a show with lengthy features on lawnmowers, which can't mention water in the garden without a long lecture on safety and which gives out didactic gardening advice, prescribing in minute detail how you should perform every little gardening task, and warning you that if you wander even a little from the approved path you will bring down disaster on your head and you'll deserve it.
Listening to the opinions of this board and making a programme to match would make some mighty dull television. -
Message 17
Posted by toonia (U4760062) on Tuesday, 12th May 2009
The Hedjhog - pot, kettle, black. It's great that you enjoy the new format, not great that you can't accept that "the moaners" have a different opinion and the equal right to express it.
I said this elsewhere, but the beeb have become like "The Apprentice". Or "Mastermind". We've started so we'll finish because if you keep plugging away at a bad idea, maybe you can fool the people that it's what they wanted all along.
There is still a drive to herd people towards the blogs so that viewers can only respond to the topics the programme makers want them to.
The POV boards are the latest to have had a "review". -
Message 18
Posted by ArtemisHP (U12217956) on Tuesday, 12th May 2009
I find those kind of responses...rude and patronizing..Â
The arrogance of a safe job, of course.
I recall paxman (rudness personified) being interviewed some time ago and told of people's objection to his bullying style. His reply was something like, "and what can they do about it?".
We pay them to ignore, patronise or deride us. -
Message 19
Posted by toonia (U4760062) on Tuesday, 12th May 2009
The MEN interview mentioned above:
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Message 20
Posted by TheHejhog (U7657776) on Tuesday, 12th May 2009
Carmen,
You are now resorting to insulting and bullying other people with ideas that are different to yours on this and other threads.Â
Are you a moderator? No. If you think I am being offensive and rude then hit that triangle in the bottom left hand of the offending message.
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Message 21
Posted by ArtemisHP (U12217956) on Tuesday, 12th May 2009
Does the Ö÷²¥´óÐã take any notice?Â
And the silly but obvious answer:
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If the Ö÷²¥´óÐã had managed to be a liitle less arrogant, it wouldn't have lost its "head" twice in very recent history. -
Message 22
Posted by grapevinegirl (U3734803) on Tuesday, 12th May 2009
It's getting a little sad that some of these threads are becoming so barbed. Those who accuse the critics amongst us seem to be more negative - and yes, rude - than those they accuse of negativity! Hejhog, I do respect your right to be satisfied by the current offering, and I'm glad for you that it meets your individual expectations.
However, the rights of others to express the disappointment of their high expectations of GW is equally valid - that is, presumably, the point of such messageboards. Some of the criticism is very constructive, and, carefully considered, ought to be very informative for those who are involved with creating the programme.
An interesting link to Toby's comments there, btw. I did find them very patronising, although I guess that he may well be feeling very defensive right now - some of the feedback expressed (and this messageboard is far from the only arena for negatve comments) has been unfairly personal.
As for me, I think I will still keep an eye on the situation, as I'd love to see GW achieve high standards once more, but I will be careful how much I join in the fun - it's getting a bit hot in the potting shed, and not in the way the team would like I imagine!
Might see some of you over in 'the other place' soon
I'm going towards the light ! 
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Message 23
Posted by dai_the_dig (U13939682) on Wednesday, 13th May 2009
This is all getting too personal and whilst people are entitled to their own opinions, personal digs have no place on this MB or any other.
Can we all please stick to the point raised. It would make for more pleasant reading. -
Message 24
Posted by martingodliman (U13761957) on Wednesday, 13th May 2009
I don't particularly like the more magazine 'show' elements of GW the fashion thing last week was toe curling made far worse because the presenters looked embarrassed themselves at having to do it.
If you like that then why not draft in Laurence Llewelyn Bowen to do it he would it with aplomb, not my cup of tea but he's a good popinjay.
I'm sure there is a focus group somewhere that came up with new format either it was on purpose to change the demographic or spread it wider....only viewing figures will tell us one or the other.
This forum is like a tea party compared to some of the fishing ones I am on a lot, patronising is the least of it, irritating but not abusive and a legitimate way to argue.
Impossible to keep all responses in the same frame of reference......I think -
Message 25
Posted by betti_hollyhock (U13954840) on Wednesday, 13th May 2009
Agree, but my husband say's on fishing forums, you bait each other to get a reaction. On this MB, its a bit of handbags a dawn, and I'm not just talking about the women.
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Message 26
Posted by roseaholic (U13922482) on Wednesday, 13th May 2009
if you search on the Ö÷²¥´óÐã site you will see some information about peoples viewing habits and lifestyle based on age range. I've looked at that which relates to my age bracket and I dont recognise myself at all. I dont read the sun, I dont watch Ö÷²¥´óÐã3 and I dont listen to radio 1.
If the Ö÷²¥´óÐã are using this kind of info to help with devising the new GW now I see why I feel disgruntled. I'm not a normal 25 - 34 year old!
In a way I feel quite good about it but in another way it means that I am in a minority; and also I wonder what my viewing age is!.
Something similar has happened on satellite to the UKTV range of programmes they have all been rebranded including my beloved UKTV gardens, Alot of people on their garden message board are very angry about the change especially of the loss of gardeners world, but its been done using focus groups so its hard luck on us.
I think its a sign of the times unfortunately, there are now so many channels but they all seem to show the same types of programme. whereas channels used to be more specialised and distinctive on satellite especially.
So I dont think we'll get GW back to how it was if we are now in a minority. (unless it fails in the ratings)
I dont want to totally knock the Ö÷²¥´óÐã because they do still produce some good quality TV and radio programmes. Its just a real shame that they choose to 'modernise' and 'update' my favourite programme. -
Message 27
Posted by Ariadne Knickerbocker (U4534559) on Wednesday, 13th May 2009
I thought that one of the points of paying a licence fee was so that the Beeb didn't have to chase viewing figures and that quality was the main aim.
To be honest I'm past caring about GW - it's a shame but it is not the end of the world. The things that does get to me is that instead of making a stand against dumbing down the Beeb is following the crowd. How many times have I heard people like Max Clifford justify the Jordan/Katona/Jade type stories that flood the media by saying that sales figures demonstrate that this is what people want. It seems to me that 'people' aren't being offered anything better or indeed anything else! We all know how easy it is to get addicted to a diet of junk food and if there are only turkey twizzlers on offer that is what we will eat. -
Message 28
Posted by martingodliman (U13761957) on Wednesday, 13th May 2009
Next birthday I'm that big round figure.......
if I make it !!
I think it's perfectly valid to have ones say on a forum what use is it other wise ? plus I'm happy to have my minority opinion and have some where to express it.
Recently I saw on the "One Show" a wildlife/nature expert ? ( Krestovnikov ?)say that pike had an antigoagulant on their teeth...there's absolutely no science on it anywhere when I went looking for somewhere to hotly dispute this the only option was blog.....hopeless. Sorry for the wandering reference in to fishingI am also in a minority amongst pike anglers !!!
Any way I think the Beeb is fantastic and I would go down supporting it, though I think there's no harm in keeping them on their toes -
Message 29
Posted by martingodliman (U13761957) on Wednesday, 13th May 2009
I didn't make clear what the big round figure was 60 !!! unimaginable....
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Message 30
Posted by roseaholic (U13922482) on Wednesday, 13th May 2009
Hi Martin
my husband loves the fishing programmes on satellite
especially those presented by Matt Hayes
I've watched alot of them (cos thats all he seems to watch!) wish us gardeners had more programmes of that quality. You anglers dont seem to get any programmes on normal TV do you? - isnt it the most popular hobby as well? -
Message 31
Posted by Trillium (U2170869) on Wednesday, 13th May 2009
A bit of feedback from the shop-floor, so to speak. I am asked several times a week what I think of the programme. My answer is always the same, and true, i.e. that I've met Toby personally and thought him a pleasant, warm and knowledgeable person and that it's too early to form a firm opinion about the programme what with the upheaval of creating a new garden etc. This leaves them free to pitch back either way.
The responses are roughly 4-1 against at present, mostly citing novelty items, undue competitiveness, weak advice and the predictable dislike of one presenter or another, which is unavoidable. The positives are generally about specific components (Alys's re-use spot gets mentioned), the liking of one presenter over another (see above!) and the enjoyment of the interactions between the presenters, usually accompanied by some perception about whether they 'get on' or not.
The age range of enquirers is generally over 40. The most unequival support for the programme so far this year was from a very confident 9 year old who said she liked it a lot. When I asked why, she said because Toby spent ages trying to find a number 8 for his shed and she thought that was nice. -
Message 32
Posted by martingodliman (U13761957) on Wednesday, 13th May 2009
Great !! no problems then
if you can get the big viewing figures you need with 9 year olds you've discovered a hitherto unforeseen audience, however...................... -
Message 33
Posted by martingodliman (U13761957) on Wednesday, 13th May 2009
Thanks Rose, I don't watch any fishing on the TV mostly because my fishing interest is so specific my interest is rarely catered for and Matt only very occasionally does what I do ( lure fishing for pike)
At least with veg growing I'm not in quite such a small minority, I do grow a few flowers, nasturtiums and calendulas....only because you can eat them
Oh and sweet peas just 'cos they smell so nice die quickly and replace them selves for an new bunch next day almost, certainly by the next day after that, and it's such nice thing to give when going to some one else's house for meal, charm on a stalk ! -
Message 34
Posted by The_Colonel (U13936630) on Thursday, 14th May 2009
Does the Ö÷²¥´óÐã listen, more importantly for me personally, does Ö÷²¥´óÐã Wales listen and the definitive answer has to be No.
I'm not talking just about GW, its their whole attitude and philosophy towards the viewing audience, and having spoken to the Ö÷²¥´óÐã personally I do feel Betti's comment about the La, La, La, La, were not listening attitude, is indicative to the general postings on this MB about the current state of GW. Surely someone with a modicum of intelligence; allegedly, in the corridors of the Beeb would have taken on board the comments made, it is not rocket science. If your consumer is not happy with your product you change it and change it fast.
Is It Better to Have Loved (Burryfields GW) and Lost, Than Never to Have Loved at All (Green Acre)?
Surely the latter was a comedy with Eddie Albert and Eva Gabor in, now that explains a lot. Perhaps I have to laugh at GW, easy. -
Message 35
Posted by ArtemisHP (U12217956) on Saturday, 16th May 2009
The most unequival support for the programme so far this year was from a..9 year old...Â
Who, of course, pays her licence fee gladly and doesn't use GW as an excuse for not going to bed.
To cry or to laugh? That is the question. -
Message 36
Posted by smartDavidii (U13970240) on Sunday, 17th May 2009
Does the Ö÷²¥´óÐã take any notice. Yes, because The Colonel has been given the chop by the moderators. No longer able to contribute to the MB, so it appears one can service their country in Northern Ireland, Falklands War, Bosnia and the Gulf War, but you can't have an opinion.
So when one tells it like it is people don't like it. Sad really. Don't suppose this will stay on the MB long either. -
Message 37
Posted by Stormy_Pink (U13912310) on Sunday, 17th May 2009
I do hope The Colonel hasn't been given the chop! I know that Chelsea is fast approaching, but I'm sure the chop is only meant for your plants at this time of year and not the posters.
Are you still there Colonel? I do hope you haven't gone?
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Message 38
Posted by TheHejhog (U7657776) on Monday, 18th May 2009
Surely, if you are deleted by the moderators then your nickname gets wiped and all that remains is your ID number. Sometimes there is even a little suffix: "-alt id" for those caught with a sock; and "banned" for those caught smoking behind the bike sheds.
The Colonel's probably built a trench; he's hunkered down and ready to pounce into action, bayonet fixed, to put it right up 'em.
Hejhog -
Message 39
Posted by eco_gardener (U13955786) on Tuesday, 19th May 2009
Reading Toby Buckland's comments on the web site of the trade magazine Horticulture Week would suggest that the Ö÷²¥´óÐã, and the GW producers, and certainly not taking any notice...
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