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GW Friday 15 May
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Message 1.Â
Posted by phyll_ostachys (U12011174) on Friday, 15th May 2009
Hi all. Please share any comments about the show here. You can also read the latest blog entries from Toby and Joe here:
so you can join the discussion there too.
Phyll
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Message 2
Posted by Ariadne Knickerbocker (U4534559) on Friday, 15th May 2009
Hi Phyllo
What happened to Toby's blogs? Some of the ones between April and now seem to have disappeared or am I looking in the wrong place? -
Message 3
Posted by toonia (U4760062) on Friday, 15th May 2009
We were already having a discussion. It seems to have been rudely and abruptly closed.
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Message 4
Posted by Ariadne Knickerbocker (U4534559) on Friday, 15th May 2009
I didn't realise it was closed Toonia - that is rather rude I think. The other discussion was started well before this one!
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Message 5
Posted by toonia (U4760062) on Friday, 15th May 2009
We have to be herded onto the blogs, it's a new rule.
And you can't discuss the programme until Miss says you can, and please sit up straight and put your hand up. -
Message 6
Posted by Ariadne Knickerbocker (U4534559) on Friday, 15th May 2009
There is no point herding people onto the blogs if they are then going to remove them if they don't like the comments.
I don't know what the matter is with the Ö÷²¥´óÐã gardening team even the board hosts seem determined to treat us like the enemy and create dissent and gloom. I was quite prepared to have a jolly evening watching GW but this attitude has put the dampers on it! -
Message 7
Posted by toonia (U4760062) on Friday, 15th May 2009
I did go and have a look at the blogs.
There's a really interesting one from Toby about planting a big tree and you get to see his brother too.
I strongly recommend it. -
Message 8
Posted by beejay (U2219592) on Friday, 15th May 2009
Well I for one am glad to have this sensible & of course officially approved GW thread. The other one made me hungry/thirsty so I had to have fish 'n' chips for tea.
Should I watch GW or last night's Apprentice? -
Message 9
Posted by 16Greencroft (U13911574) on Friday, 15th May 2009
Two minutes into the programme and I am upset. A 180cm Chusan Palm will cost £169.99. Ok, you can get a 10cm one for £23.99, but that was not what we saw planted. Also, better comments could have been found from the internet.
"One of the most popular and suitable palms for the UK. The Chusan or Windmill Palm from China tolerates temperatures down to -17 degrees C without problem, looking equally good in summer or winter. Trachycarpus fortunei should not be planted in very windy locations as the leaves will look tatty."
Toby's comments included the last phrase verbatim.
Who can afford to follow this advice? -
Message 10
Posted by Stormy_Pink (U13912310) on Friday, 15th May 2009
I started watching it this evening thinking OK I'll give it another go after refusing to even try to watch it last week.
I wish I hadn't bothered.
I can't bear to watch anymore.
Interestingly my Aged P's were watching too and mother exclaimed "My God it's awful! What have they done to it? It used to be that you felt the presenters were talking to somebody with half a brain, now it feels like they are talking to idiots!"
Need I say more? -
Message 11
Posted by TallyHo (U2364821) on Friday, 15th May 2009
And you can't discuss the programme until Miss says you can, and please sit up straight and put your hand up.Â
Try to imagine you are the only garden centre in town, Ö÷²¥´óÐã. You start selling wilting plants no-one wants and then tell all the people queuing outside waiting to collect what they've already paid for to disperse.
I'm not going to watch GW because I don't like watching it anymore. If the programme continues on it's same downward curve, no doubt I'll read about it on here (or perhaps that'll be 'This thread has been closed'). -
Message 12
Posted by gohunter (U4435251) on Friday, 15th May 2009
For goodness sake, what planet are these guys on? Dwarf beans. Artichokes. What can't they get back to basics. Most of us have no intention of growing these types of things. Poor old Geoff Hamilton will be turning in his grave.
Get back to basics guys. SENSIBLE DAY TO DAY vegetables, not this hoity toity stuff for the minor interest yuppie community! -
Message 13
Posted by grapevinegirl (U3734803) on Friday, 15th May 2009
Good grief, this beggars belief! A perfectly innocuous and valid thread closed down (which promised to be enjoyable and therefore always risked draconian action), and the 'official' one begun just because it's the 'official' one???
I really do fear for the Beeb...
Thank goodness this is not the only place that the dire Friday night offering which passes for GW is being discussed.
NOT amused... -
Message 14
Posted by grapevinegirl (U3734803) on Friday, 15th May 2009
btw you can probably guess why I've given up on the tv and switched on the laptop... gotta get my Friday night gardening fix from somewhere...
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Message 15
Posted by Stormy_Pink (U13912310) on Friday, 15th May 2009
Tell me about it grapevinegirl. I find it very interesting that several of us have switched off already.
The moment I saw that deck chair I started reaching for the vino... -
Message 16
Posted by TallyHo (U2364821) on Friday, 15th May 2009
Trachycarpus fortunei should not be planted in very windy locations as the leaves will look tatty.Â
At least that should spare us the double eyesore of a trachycarpus and a wind turbine...
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Message 17
Posted by gohunter (U4435251) on Friday, 15th May 2009
About time the Ö÷²¥´óÐã got rid of the guys on GW with their egos trying to out do one another with their minority interest stuff and let Carol and Alice run the show. Maybe the guys could do the odd guest slot every 6 or 12 weeks! LOL!. The girls have so much more experience and common sense than the Toby and Jug. They just wipe the floor with the guys. And I am a bloke saying that!!!
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Message 18
Posted by gohunter (U4435251) on Friday, 15th May 2009
Thank goodness we have a load of the old REAL GW episodes with Geoff Hamilton on tape. When we need some proper advice, we can always refer to the real guru who knew what he was talking about and was on the same planet as the rest of us, rather than doing gardening for London rooftop garden yuppies.
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Message 19
Posted by omegaLexa (U7472510) on Friday, 15th May 2009
I don't know whether to laugh or cry. Piggin you made me watch it. No more!
It's spectacularly bad and they can all go to hell with their £200 palm. Also, I very much doubt Alys scrabbled about in a tip.
Whatever, its complete dross and I won't watch again, ever, while this pathetic bunch present. -
Message 20
Posted by omegaLexa (U7472510) on Friday, 15th May 2009
I don't know whether to laugh or cry. Piggin you made me watch it. No more!
It's spectacularly bad and they can all go to hell with their £200 palm. Also, I very much doubt Alys scrabbled about in a tip.
Whatever, its complete dross and I won't watch again, ever, while this pathetic bunch present.
I hope the palm dies. -
Message 21
Posted by 16Greencroft (U13911574) on Friday, 15th May 2009
Toby and Jug?
How very apt! -
Message 22
Posted by Helen May (U1633128) on Friday, 15th May 2009
I can't believe how bad things have become on GW. Why on earth did they not show Carol's root cutting bit all in one go? Talk about confusing folk in one easy session!
The only sensible person on there tonight was Terry Walton at the Cardiff RHS flower show!
Why is it all blogs as well? I hate the things.
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Message 23
Posted by omegaLexa (U7472510) on Friday, 15th May 2009
Apologies for the double posting, no idea how that happened
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Message 24
Posted by grapevinegirl (U3734803) on Friday, 15th May 2009
sorry, people, just getting over it all... I kept the tv on while I chilled out on youtube and looked at luscious photos... big mistake...
Worst and most pointless 30 minutes thingy ever -Joe's comment was a classic - 'worth taking an extra five minutes to do it properly' - that guy knows how stupid the whole exercise is!!!
the last few minutes in the Blue Peter shed were the nail in the coffin... I cannot stand Toby's vanity and patronising tone any longer (wouldn't even if he was inspiring about gardening - NOT) nor Alys' shrill schoolmarmy tones or smug self-satisfaction... sorry, I know I said i wouldn't be personal, but AAAAAARGH!!! ego overload...
pass the rioja, someone - quickly! -
Message 25
Posted by grapevinegirl (U3734803) on Friday, 15th May 2009
... and the reason why people are being directed to the blogs is so that they don't come across any dissent on this messageboard - the little that is left untouched and not modded that is!!!
Wouldn't be surprised if this disappears shortly -
Message 26
Posted by David K (U2221642) on Friday, 15th May 2009
Don't think the elf & safety were around when Mr Swift (not as swift as Mr grass cuttings liner) was creating his masterpiece.
Hope if anyone is daft enough to try it at home will consider the potentially lethal sharp edges; particularly if they have children.
Faultless contribution from Carol, once again! -
Message 27
Posted by jkjqueralt (U13967929) on Friday, 15th May 2009
Agony. Watching Toby is like pulling teeth. The display cabinet for a plant was poor - the half barrel was dreadful and the revolutionary hanging basket was shocking. Dull, tedious and cringe worthy.
Not to get personal but, Why Alys was planting recycled broom handle, did anyone else notice the dodgy tattoo??? What goes on in the potting shed? -
Message 28
Posted by pinktequila (U2803141) on Friday, 15th May 2009
"For goodness sake, what planet are these guys on? Dwarf beans. Artichokes. What can't they get back to basics. Most of us have no intention of growing these types of things. Poor old Geoff Hamilton will be turning in his grave.
Get back to basics guys. SENSIBLE DAY TO DAY vegetables, not this hoity toity stuff for the minor interest yuppie community!"
I only saw a bit of the programme as I have decided not to watch it about two weeks ago because it has gone so dire, however, I do like artichokes and green beans and I don't think I am a yuppie! -
Message 29
Posted by Bluedoyenne (U2341157) on Friday, 15th May 2009
With the introduction to exotic garden plants, my heart sank. Then TB showed how to get a big, heavy plant into the planting hole, and I thought 'thank you for that very useful tip'. A positive.
Next, the Henstead exotic garden. Again, I'm thinking 'not for me', but it was beautiful and lush and green. And if I lived in such a clement zone, perhaps I too would give it a try. Another positive.
Alys' coldframe great - anyone could do it. Well explained. Thank you Alys.
Bird damage - indeed. Useful.
Carol's root cuttings' class - brilliant! I learnt something new. Thank you Carol.
The gourmet garden - looking forward to seeing how it progresses.
Design made easy - ditto above. Although I've seen before how to shape a lawn, I appreciate others may not have, and it was good to see agian. Also like the advice about moving plants at this time. Well done Joe.
Really appreciated the sub-titles containing important messages such as the warnings about dangerous plants etc. Very good.
RHS Cardiff coverage - a bit thin but there nonetheless. And Terry Walton to boot. Production Team you've scored on that one. Well done!
Alys' community garden (and Alys' lovely Jack back again). Loved it. Please keep it up.
At last - plants being given their botanical names - wonderful!
The perennial comparison bed - really looking forward to following this up. Lovely choice of plants so far with the foxgloves and heuchera.
With the hanging baskets 30 min stint I initially flagged. I do wonder how the grass clippings will fare in the long term but look forward to a follow-up. Joe's basket project intially turned me cold, but I admit it was stunning and I can see that many people would like to give this a try. So again, well done.
In all, credit where it's due. This was a very interesting programme to watch. I would imagine it appealed to a very large audience and was very worthwhile viewing IMHO.
Well done to everyone involved. -
Message 30
Posted by gohunter (U4435251) on Friday, 15th May 2009
"In all, credit where it's due. This was a very interesting programme to watch. I would imagine it appealed to a very large audience and was very worthwhile viewing IMHO.
Well done to everyone involved."
You must have been watching a different channel to the rest of us! Or do you work for the Ö÷²¥´óÐã or the production company -
Message 31
Posted by BedfordBloomer (U13946278) on Friday, 15th May 2009
to: gohunter (U4435251)
I grow dwarf French beans (purple ones at that) and artichokes, have done for some time, just because your palate is unsophisticated doesn't mean evryones is! -
Message 32
Posted by Helen May (U1633128) on Friday, 15th May 2009
Not to get personal but, Why Alys was planting recycled broom handle, did anyone else notice the dodgy tattoo??? What goes on in the potting shed?Â
Yes I did notice the tattoo............
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Message 33
Posted by jo4eyes (U13654107) on Friday, 15th May 2009
I agree with you Bluedoyenne.
I found myself saying "somebody's been taking note of what has been said on boards". Yes it's not to everybody's taste, but it is improving.
Please can we also have follow-ons of various topics/tasks, even if they fail, to show that gardening isn't all 'instant fixes'. -
Message 34
Posted by Bluedoyenne (U2341157) on Friday, 15th May 2009
gohunter, if you read previous threads about the new GW, you will see that I have been a staunch critic of the previous programmes, most of which I can only term as gimmicks and rubbish.
Tonight's programme was a million miles removed from that and I, personally, enjoyed it. I hope other viewers did so too as it was a vast improvement, IMHO, on of the previous programmes. -
Message 35
Posted by Amazing (U7102651) on Friday, 15th May 2009
Blah Blah Blah Blah Blah:
I enjoyed most of the prog; missed Terry Walton (must have gone to the loo);
Joe's cones were good; given more time it might have been better: I have things similar in my garden: Similar in being 'off the wall' -
Message 36
Posted by Stressed out (U11163734) on Friday, 15th May 2009
A pathetic waste of 1 hour
It was poor
Even the OH was bored it was that bad
GW has defiantly gone down the blog -
Message 37
Posted by Bluedoyenne (U2341157) on Friday, 15th May 2009
Reply to Jo4eyes - I'm glad someone else saw things positively. I also hope the team show us the follow-ups on everything. It doesn't matter if some projects don't turn out as they hoped - viewers will learn by (and appreciate being shown) their mistakes, if they happen.
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Message 38
Posted by adam_kent (U11817380) on Friday, 15th May 2009
I love the way many of you keep saying how much you dislike the show but you STILL watch it week after week.
Some people might think you watch it only so that you've got something to moan about. -
Message 39
Posted by Bluedoyenne (U2341157) on Friday, 15th May 2009
you must have gone hard on the Merlot tonight Amazing to be away that long! -
Message 40
Posted by HRT (U13943850) on Friday, 15th May 2009
Tonight was like applying for an Egg Visa card.....
....0% interest. -
Message 41
Posted by Amazing (U7102651) on Friday, 15th May 2009
Hi BD I shall watch it again on iplayer:
(was going to tell a joke then but it was a bit unPC)
Did you watch BG this week: (of course you did) Magic!!!!!!!!!!!! -
Message 42
Posted by Petalina (U13862206) on Friday, 15th May 2009
I thought that overall it was a good programme.
It does irritate me when Toby plants things straight from the pot - no teasing out of roots or watering first, but apart from that I thought it was varied and interesting and much better than previous programmes -
Message 43
Posted by Trillium (U2170869) on Saturday, 16th May 2009
I thought it a big improvement. Much more gardening content, more plants named and shown clearly, the competition component and the 30 minute spot merged, the hot/not element shrunk to a quick chat in the shed.
Toby mentioned in passing that the Chusan palm had come from Berryfields so we can't begrudge them re-using it, surely?
There were odd bits I could pick holes in, but it was so much more enjoyable that I'm not going to. -
Message 44
Posted by mutebuttondelight (U3517782) on Saturday, 16th May 2009
I'm not going to be making a point of watching it from now on. I will be making an effort to watch Beechgrove.
Last night... that large palm. How many of us have large plants like that either to move from one garden to another or to buy afresh? Sorry.. no thanks. Yes, more gardening content, but still designed for those with the attention span of a developmentally-challenged gnat. BG is more of a 'safe pair of hands' feeling and comes across as more down-to-earth.
The disappointment of being a newbie wanting to learn and finding that GW is so bitty.. combined with NO, I STILL DON'T HAVE MY 'FREE' SEEDS!! and quite frankly, the shine is gone. whereas BG is developing my enthusiasm nicely thank you very much. -
Message 45
Posted by roseaholic (U13922482) on Saturday, 16th May 2009
Anyone out there who found it agony, I felt your pain this morning, though try it with a hangover - not a good idea.
Used to be a great antidote, with a big mug of tea on a saturday morning.
those who found it enjoyable are obviously made of stronger stuff than me!
Wasnt all bad though, thank god, Carol eased the pain and gave me some respite. Inspirational and helpful as always. Thanks Carol
and terry walton must give him a mention too, great guy
I'm now going for a lie down. -
Message 46
Posted by willmeij (U13968185) on Saturday, 16th May 2009
Hello,
we are watchers of GW from outside the UK and yesterday we saw the 30 minutes hanging baskets. We would like to try to make the basket Joe made. We can not see the program on internet. Is there a working scheme of this hanging basket?
We enjoy GW very much for its useful tips and wish that we had such a program in The Netherlands!
Rob and Simone -
Message 47
Posted by pootles magnet (U11709665) on Saturday, 16th May 2009
The Ö÷²¥´óÐã always used to do factsheets for TV programmes like this - I guess that's stopped with the advent of the internet. I would have thought the best thing to try is emailing the gwpottingshed email address and seeing if the production team can send you something.
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Message 48
Posted by TomBradbury (U3349234) on Saturday, 16th May 2009
Although they seem to be the focus of most of our angst, I don't really think it is Toby, Alys, et al, who are to blame for the current state of play on GW. They are just glorified actors being told what to do by the producers - the producers are the people who need to sit up and listen to the disgruntled viewers.
Personally, I don't like the competitiveness amongst the presenters that now seemingly pervades the programme and some of the comments, which some might say is just banter, might be seen as nothing short as bullying or harassment. I do think they all seem to give as good as they get, but why is there a need to constantly make comments between the team, about this is wrong or that's not right, or Toby needing to constantly tell Alys what to do. Certainly does seem to be an odd culture they are promoting. Perhaps Thatcher's children have now grown up to be Thatcher's middle aged gardeners! -
Message 49
Posted by garyhobson (U11055016) on Saturday, 16th May 2009
Not too impressed - considering that this is supposed to be the Ö÷²¥´óÐã's flagship gardening program.
Several people have mentioned the price that palm would be to buy. I really don't like suggestions for projects which are completely impossible for most gardeners. This out-of-touch-with-reality problem isn't unique to this particular episode - I was watching an old GW replay on UK Gardening recently and Monty was creating a small area which must have used about 40 pot-grown plants, costing around £5 each - nice effect but completely impractical.
Someone above mentioned health and safety - cutting the metal foil - that struck me too - and what about Alys dropping those bricks on that big piece of glass that she "found in a skip". At another point Alys was hammering a stick into the ground using a brick and bare hands - not for me.
I wondered how drainage works in that conical planter.
I'm not keen on the artificial jocular "banter" that occurs between the presenters - they are not professional actors, and it doesn't seem natural, for me.
Alys' advice that the expensive palm must not be planted proud seems contrary to the planting advice on the website of a well known exotic nursery: they say exotics should be planted proud to improve drainage. But I'm not an exotics expert - could be wrong.
For me, the informative aspect of the program seems to have given way to the viewer picking flies in it.
Anyway, lots of Chelsea programming coming up. Let's hope that's a bit more grown up. -
Message 50
Posted by David K (U2221642) on Saturday, 16th May 2009
Very little advice given out is credible, but I would just like to ask if anyone will be using grass cuttings to line their hanging baskets?
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