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Message 1.Â
Posted by SparklyTwirler (U14115376) on Friday, 9th April 2010
Can't seem to see one anywhere
Enjoyed tonight's programme - even Alys' segment ( a first for me ). Thought it was varied, interesting and informative. Well done all
It seems to work better with either Joe or Alys there - doesn't seem as "bitty" as when there are 3 people at Greenacres. Keep it up, please -
Message 2
Posted by welshcol (U2301689) on Friday, 9th April 2010
I think you have just made it.
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Message 3
Posted by Ken Smart (U1158196) on Saturday, 10th April 2010
What's with all the scarves in the garden these days? I have never gardened in a scarf in my life, yet every one of the presenters this week were wearing scarves. Are these people now so 'precious' that they have to wear a scarf whenever they pop outside for a little while. Toby looks positively 'poncey' in his, Carol seems to delight in trailing hers in a potentially dangerous fashion, and Alys - well, it's probably the least of her faults.
The style of the programme continues to be considerably better than the previous series, but last nights offering wasn't to my particular liking. There was far too much Alys. The girl just doesn't have the presence to be any more than a bit player in the programme. As she takes on more and more tasks, it seems she has developed a peculiar 'screech' which combined with her curious accent and increasing hand-flapping, makes her contributions difficult to enjoy (for me at least). Could she not just talk in a half-way normal tone? There is also a perfunctoriness in her interviewing technique, which gives the impression that it's being read from a board. Toby at least can talk in a normal tone to camera, and this makes it easy to absorb what he's saying (and try to forgive the jessie scarf). On a positive note, I do like the idea of Carol concentrating on a particular plant genus each week - I find this very interesting. If only Joe and Alys could be ditched, I could really start enjoying it fully once again. -
Message 4
Posted by CK (U9546106) on Saturday, 10th April 2010
I wondered if the programme makers are the ones responsible for 'scarf uniform' just to get everyone talking about the show! A bit of humour on their part maybe? If so it has done the trick! I just find it all very amusing and harmless.
As for Alys, well maybe she deserves a break, after all she is relatively new to the job and has to be allowed to learn the ropes so to speak. Even the experienced presenters were novices once and I guess made mistakes etc.
I think the new format is fine, much more informative and getting back to basics, but we still need a bit of the designer stuff in for the more adventurous gardeners. It must be very difficult for them to cater for all experiences of gardeners and please everyone in just half an hour.
I am glad though they are taken out the annoying background music that used to be there. It is now a much more relaxing programme to watch. -
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Message 6
Posted by Palaisglide (U3102587) on Saturday, 10th April 2010
Sorry folks my post was dumped as I did infer being unhappy with a certain presenter and how he did things so try two.
Relaxing is the word, I watched without getting wound up about any of it, scarves what scarves?
Shows I was watching the action and not the presenters.
Carol I love faults and all.
Alys, well in sound bites, a full programme no.
Joe, makes me cry out, "no" not that way, I want to take the tools off him and do it myself.
Toby, I am getting used to now I do not notice the scarves boots coat etc. I still hate the way he handles his tools with disdain though.
Last night was watchable a much improved format from the last series and so I keep watching and not turning off, that makes it a win then.
Frank. -
Message 7
Posted by physalis (U14221327) on Saturday, 10th April 2010
I thought Gw was about gardening, not picking fault with the presenters which I find astonising,I always thought gardeners were the nicest folk on the planet, now sadly I.m not so sure.
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Message 8
Posted by Ken Smart (U1158196) on Saturday, 10th April 2010
I thought Gw was about gardening, not picking fault with the presenters which I find astonising,I always thought gardeners were the nicest folk on the planet, now sadly I.m not so sure.Â
What a strange, illogical posting. You appear to be suggesting that it doesn't matter one iota who presents the programme, as long as there is something remotely 'gardening' to see. It's not unnatural or unusual to have strong opinions on who is presenting the programme, as this can make or break the show. It's also not very fair to suggest that somehow by pointing out glaring faults in presentation makes someone 'not nice'. We all share a love of gardening, and this always gives us much in common, but clearly there are big differences in the presentational styles of such as Thrower, Hamilton, Titchmarsh and Buckland, and viewers will always have their favourites. Equally, viewers are perfectly entitled to say when they feel a presenter is substandard. If people hadn't been vociferous last year, we would still have had the inane garbage which was staunchly defended by all involved. Since they have never retracted their defence of last years effort, we must assume that the current presenters disapprove of the current format. As long as people are honest, then there should never be a problem in saying what they truely think. Wishy-washy views are a very modern curse. -
Message 9
Posted by nooj (U13729031) on Saturday, 10th April 2010
there is a term - immediacy - which i think i made up to describe music that touches you deeply.
I got immediacy from a few garden presenters in the past
Alan on a good day, Geoff and Monty always.
I admit I don't know how it exists - in music maybe the production, in gardening maybe the producers.
Or maybe it's all due to the person.
I suppose we can't please everyone, and the feeling of immediacy is probably as different for each person who listens or watches.
(actually I have a theory how its produced in music - but that's outside the scope of this discussion) -
Message 10
Posted by martingodliman (U13761957) on Saturday, 10th April 2010
Gardeners are people like any other not specialy one kind of personality.
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Message 11
Posted by physalis (U14221327) on Saturday, 10th April 2010
I think I should have said "manners maketh man"
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Message 12
Posted by everhopeful (U11289037) on Saturday, 10th April 2010
physalis
How about "moaners make this message board"
Not all of course and this is tongue in cheek I include myself in the critiscism
Ienjoy GW now alltho not quite as much last night. Please dont be personal about people ie accents etc. Surely that is bad manners.
I hope you are all enjoying your gardens now that the weather has improved. Isn't it great to see the blossom on the trees. -
Message 13
Posted by Palaisglide (U3102587) on Saturday, 10th April 2010
I think I should have said "manners maketh man"Â
Not so having met people with impeccable manners who I would not have turned my back on.
I would say Physalis, sit at an allotment cabin during a tea break you will hear things that make your ears blush. They are all helpful people and mostly good friends but do not pull any punches if they think you are doing things wrong.
We all have our own opinions on everything so if we disagree on what is shown on GW or how it is presented we say.
My particular beef is about mishandling tools, one presenter threw down his rake after a few strokes of the soil and then walked over it, I was hoping it came up and hit him.
We switched off last year after making our feelings known and this year we have a programme we can watch without it grating too much, obviously less on some than others.
Opinions are us on here and we are quite good at quoting them.
Frank. -
Message 14
Posted by the cycling gardener (U2350416) on Saturday, 10th April 2010
What's with all the scarves in the garden these days?Â
Its fashionable at present Ken to have a scarf draped in an arty eclectic manner around ones neck so the look is casual and effortless regardless of the garment one wears underneath. In actual fact, from experience, its a fiddle to get the things so they hang correctly. The shops are full of them - square, rectangular, silk, cotton, you name it. I admit to being partial to some casual drapeage myself, particularly with a t-shirt and leather jacket but not in the garden. -
Message 15
Posted by groundelder (U11750698) on Saturday, 10th April 2010
I really don't care what anyone wears on GW, in fact if the programme is good, then I don't notice anything except the content. If the programme isn't good, I still don't care to notice what the presenters wear and think it is so rude to make personal comments.
What on earth has it got to do with gardening and why are some people so rude? -
Message 16
Posted by SparklyTwirler (U14115376) on Saturday, 10th April 2010
It is NOT rude to state a preference or antipathy for a presenter - it's their job to put across the information in a broadly appealing way. I can't stand Alys as a presenter ( I'm sure she is a lovely woman ). Her accent, mmannerisms and delivery detract from what she is saying.....that is poor presenting, and therefore fair game to comment upon ( I don't care how she speaks or gesticulates off camera.
The scarves, likewise, detract from the programmes content - how can we look carefully at what someone is doing, if we are waiting for them to accidentally garotte themselves??
None of it is personal, but it is our programme ( courtesy of the licence fee ) and we are entitled to comment thereupon
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Message 17
Posted by groundelder (U11750698) on Saturday, 10th April 2010
Calm down, SparklyTwirler - it's not a matter of life or death - it's obviously more serious than that.
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Message 18
Posted by martingodliman (U13761957) on Saturday, 10th April 2010
Also the purpose of a forum is discuss and will naturally include criticism as well as praise.
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Message 19
Posted by Sparky (U6716422) on Sunday, 11th April 2010
I suspect that if the content was riveting we wouldn't even mention the blessed scarves (there were some lovely shots of Toby's boots this week).
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Message 20
Posted by jollystrawberry8 (U14057234) on Sunday, 11th April 2010
After reading all the positive vibes re the Beechgrove Garden, I watched it on the beebs i-player for the first time yesterday and I have to say I was very impressed. Although I have watched GW for over 30 years, I could easily be converted to watching this Scottish prog.
Despite appalling weather, it was filmed at the end of Feb., I was delighted with the relevance of the topics discussed i.e. regarding which plants should respond after the awful winter and when to prune, discard etc. It may have been coincidence but each and every one was one I had been considering in my own garden.
The presenters seemed totally at ease with their subject and thoroughly genned up - perhaps this was the difference?
I will definitely be watching future episodes. -
Message 21
Posted by monicaddavis (U14410596) on Sunday, 11th April 2010
I think you have hit the nail on the head. Yes Beechgrove presenters are at ease & natural with what they are doing.
GW presenters seem as thought they are acting a part, not at ease. Maybe it's because they are not in a mature garden anymore, so everything that is done is from scratch.I'm afraid Alys is too dreamy for me or maybe that's the way she is told to be.
Give me Beechgrove anyday
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