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Posted by U14646950 (U14646950) on Friday, 15th October 2010
Gardeners' World
Friday 8.30pm Ö÷²¥´óÐã Two
In this week's show Toby gets ahead of next year's perennials by sowing them now. He also visits a group of gardeners who have spent years perfecting a traditional method of growing exotic fruit.
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Posted by U14646950 (U14646950) on Friday, 15th October 2010
you can surely criticize Toby but you have to do it in correct ways. Calling the way he did something rubbish is wrong way. Saying what he did was bad or incorrect is the right way.
I doubt it matters if you criticize him or not.
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Posted by Stressed out (U11163734) on Friday, 15th October 2010
rickipicki
you can surely criticize Toby but you have to do it in correct ways. Calling the way he did something rubbish is wrong way. Saying what he did was bad or incorrect is the right way.
I doubt it matters if you criticize him or not.
I doubt Toby will be back next year any way. Â
I used words like do the honourable thing, obviously he has no pride or honour. Or does he just get one of mod's on here to expunge any criticism of him. Bit like North Korea/China/Iran -
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Posted by Lowena (U14575314) on Friday, 15th October 2010
I enjoyed the programme
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Message 7
Posted by Colin (U2252951) on Saturday, 16th October 2010
I'm perplexed by the Tobmiester's advice to sow perennials now. Some are OK now, but most would be better in the fridge until spring. Just looking at Christo's "Garden plants from seed" and he wasn't pushing autumn sowing.
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Message 8
Posted by Obelixx (U2157162) on Saturday, 16th October 2010
I think also that autumn sowing in any quantity implies mild winters or huge greenhouses to keep all those babies safe from the frosts. I don't think it's safe to suppose that GW viewers can count on either of those things given recent winters and most people's budgets and resources.
I'm afraid I thought it was all a bit fluffy and uninspiring apart from all those resources put into one tiny ridiculous pineapple. I think John Tradescant could have done better 400 years ago. -
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Posted by Trillium (U2170869) on Saturday, 16th October 2010
Apart from Primulas and Pulsatillas, I've given up with autumn sowing of perennials. It's my own fault but I always seem to end up with a tray of liverwort and/or moss by spring and then having to prise the poor seedlings out of it. I do use vermiculite, but I think it's just an out of sight, out of mind issue. I forget to ventilate the greenhouse etc., especially when the path to it is solid ice.
Late Feb/early March sowings soon catch up.
This week's eyebrow twitching moment was 'Wouldn't you love this in your front garden?' re the late summer perennial border. In most front gardens one clump of Helianthus Lemon Queen would simultaneously flop over the public footpath and brush the lounge windows. And admirable though the 6 acre perennial garden was, 30,000 plants equals about £100,000. I do wish GW would more frequently scale itself to most people's reality. -
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Posted by everhopeful (U11289037) on Saturday, 16th October 2010
I try not to critisize(sp) Gardeners World and wld never be personal about presenters. Toby is fine as is Alys and Carol and even Joe at a pinch.I have been saving my recordings of missed progs to put on a disc for future viewing, BUT last nights prog was deleted straight away,certainly not worth keeping.It was the content I did not like ,not the presenters. I think they were short of material and wasted time.
The massive borders of prairie beds was not worthy of Gardeners World. Carols talk on fungi was not up to her usual standard, and as for the pineapple experiments at Heligan"Whatever for"
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Message 11
Posted by bootboy7 (U14651742) on Saturday, 16th October 2010
With each GW episode I watch I wonder 'who is the target audience?'.Is it just me that thinks burying dead tree stumps/cutting trees down and leaving stumps in the ground is asking for trouble? In the section on Creating a Stumpery no reference was made to the danger of honey fungus thriving on dead wood on and under the ground.The item on fungi was brief to the point of being unhelpful.What was the point? I have no problem with the presenters getting out and about to see other gardeners at work - it gives us perspective and some good ideas of places to visit.
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Message 12
Posted by Trillium (U2170869) on Saturday, 16th October 2010
So, if we didn't connect with the content, what might they have included?
1. Last winter was fiendishly cold and with the first sharp frosts forecast this weekend, I'd have appreciated advice now on keeping the temperature up in the greenhouse at minimum cost and the best ways to overwinter exotic/tender perennials - dig up and bring in? Leave out and mulch? To keep dry or to water? We should certainly have had a frost warning - I bet those big Ensete have been brought in.
2. October is my big infrastructure month - cool enough to work hard, but no frosts to contend with and no delicate new growth to work around. The perfect time to show how to lay a simple flag or gravel path, lay a patio, put up a pergola or summerhouse, replace or renovate fencing/screening etc.
3. It's also the best time to solve major problems such as poorly drained areas which afflict so many gardens. How best to go about it? Make a pond or bog garden? A sump? Put in drainage pipes/french drains?
Other possible topics: making leaf mould, the importance of covering bare areas in winter and what you might use (I'm often asked 'what exactly is mulch?), the best ornamental grasses, the best berry and seed bearing plants for birds.... -
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Posted by mal (U14651799) on Saturday, 16th October 2010
I watched the item on growing pineapples at Helligan with interest and bemusement. 45 years ago my mother grew a pineapple top in a 6 inch pot on a plan chest in the bay window of her south facing bedroom without bottom heat. It took 3 years to come to fruition but produced a fruit slightly larger than the one shown at Helligan and it was absolutely gorgeous! I currently have four growing in my box bedroom (with bottom heat from a 7 watt bulb),3 from pineapple tops,the largest of which was started in October 2009 and now has leaves up to 20" long,and a seedling started in February, now with 3" leaves,
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Message 14
Posted by Colin (U2252951) on Sunday, 17th October 2010
> what might they have included?<
All very valid. TBH the Tobster has all the joie de vivre of a man working out the fag-end of his contract. Is AT lined up for 2011? -
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Posted by jauntycyclist (U14199772) on Sunday, 17th October 2010
Yes risk of honey fungus.
The local nature reserve is terrible. I see them intertwining dead branches into between living trees and stacking up [what they call] weeds [because they are 'non native'] in piles around the bases of trees. Total nightmare. I did point this out and they got vestal virgin about it. I said if you don't believe your practices are not in the best interests of the living trees email Kew and ask their tree experts. Bunch of muppets and weekend chainsawers.
as for their hatred of non native i asked if they dug up or killed everything non native have much of a 'nature reserve' would they have left? -
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Posted by Obelixx (U2157162) on Sunday, 17th October 2010
Great list Trillium and so practical and relevant.
GW production team, please take note. We want clear info, not the equivalent of TV wallpaper or sleeping pills. -
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Posted by mal (U14651799) on Sunday, 17th October 2010
not a reply but a postscript to message 13: pineapple plants are distinctly architectural and my plant with 20" leaves was awarded 1st prize by a senior judge from the R.H.S in the foliage plant class of the Horticultural section of the Borough of Enfield Autumn Show.
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Message 18
Posted by Trillium (U2170869) on Monday, 18th October 2010
I liked Joe's stumpery. That combination of bare wood and ferns appeals and is perfect for those dark awkward corners that most of us have.
I don't think the risk of introducing honey fungus is great, particularly if the stump is clean. He might have removed any bark as a precaution I suppose. -
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Posted by Obelixx (U2157162) on Monday, 18th October 2010
I like the idea of stumperies but only on a large scale. I find they look a bit daft done to more domestic, Bonsai scales.
However, that's no reason not to plant hardy ferns in a shady place along with plants such as epimediums and hardy geraniums suited to shade. Then you'd have even more interesting foliage forms and colours through the year.
I also have odd shaped chunks of wood strewn around under shrubs and these provide wildlife shelters and food for invertebrates. -
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Posted by the cycling gardener (U2350416) on Monday, 18th October 2010
Unusually, my husband watched GW this week. I didn't think he was taking any notice as his laptop was perched on his knees but he seemed particularly taken by Joe's efforts with the stumps and ferns so I was surprised as Joe completed the task when my husband exclaimed "What a load of rubbish!". Now I realise he hasn't come across the use of stumps as a garden feature before so I tried to make allowances but I'm afraid I had to agree with him. Joe's effort was a bit like people who build a rockery with very few stones that stick up through the soil looking like currants in a bun. Perhaps 'stump element' would have been a better description bearing in mind its size and placement in the garden which like so many features just appear to be an add on like peripherals to a computer. Still, I suppose it was useful as a 'how to build your own stumpery' segment or 'how to stump' or 'stumping for beginners'.
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Message 21
Posted by Stressed out (U11163734) on Monday, 18th October 2010
Trillium
So, if we didn't connect with the content, what might they have included? Â
Spot on, all the stuff they should have covered, but seem unable to comprehend. Makes you wonder if they ever read the posts on here.
It was not a great program as one of the other posters has pointed out it looks like Toby is working his notice. I was not sure it could get any worse but Friday night confirmed for me that it could, as someone else had commented 'rubbish'.
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