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Message 2
Posted by nooj (U13729031) on Friday, 25th March 2011
Well, Clearance, it hasn't been on yet in the Uk
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Message 4
Posted by David K (U14115317) on Friday, 25th March 2011
It will be on in a few hours. Â
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Message 5
Posted by Ariadne Knickerbocker (U4534559) on Friday, 25th March 2011
I'm with Clearance - it doesn't matter whether you have watched it or not everyone will still stick with their preconceptions.
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Message 6
Posted by GardenLovers (U14811819) on Friday, 25th March 2011
It will be on shortly, but no offence to the mighty Don, it has no twinkle. So we're sitting listening to music rather than watching Gardener's world tonight. And last week. And probably next week.
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Message 7
Posted by Trillium (U2170869) on Friday, 25th March 2011
Shame - I think you missed a treat.
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Message 8
Posted by Ariadne Knickerbocker (U4534559) on Friday, 25th March 2011
So am I right in thinking all those long threads about how to grow sweet peas were a complete waste of time - you might as well just bung the seeds in the ground?
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Message 9
Posted by nooj (U13729031) on Friday, 25th March 2011
Well, give it a go Wanda - and tell us what happens for you?
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Message 10
Posted by David K (U14115317) on Friday, 25th March 2011
Well I'm glad Monty was big enough to admit it was a daft thing to do to clip box in October. Put Derby Day (the first week in June) in your diary Monty, it's the date gardeners have been doing it before you were born.
As a sweet pea grower myself, I can't for the life of me understand why says (and annoys sweet pea specialists) Spencer sweet peas have little scent....that's just plain rubbish.
Also, I wish he wouldn't be dismissive of autumn sowings. He is recommending sowing the seed now for planting out in May.
Well Monty, I'll be cutting the first flowers of my autumn sown plants, just after you are planting yours out, and I don't live all that far from you.
Be it Monty Don or Toby Buckland, I do wonder sometimes about the credibility of advice they give out. -
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Posted by David K (U14115317) on Friday, 25th March 2011
So am I right in thinking all those long threads about how to grow sweet peas were a complete waste of time - you might as well just bung the seeds in the ground?Â
Absolutely not and those who have followed them would testify to that!
These so called 'experts' do talk twaddle at times. -
Message 12
Posted by Pumpkin_Patch_Paul (U14565900) on Friday, 25th March 2011
Well a vast improvement over the last two offerings and Monty even smiled,thought the use of seaweed was piontlessI remember the hanging basket trials chemical Vs Natural at berryfields and the later failed badly one of which was seaweed,also he seems to haved changed his views on subjects since Berryfields (sweet peas in Autumn last time).
Anyway a good show apart from the terrible lighting, seems as if it's overcast all the time ,terrible....
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Message 13
Posted by TomBradbury (U3349234) on Friday, 25th March 2011
Please please - no more mention of box hedge for at least the next 12 programmes. Bored of it, bored of GW / Monty Dull keep on talking about it. Oh, and how many people have a copse in their garden? Perhaps MD could have made it relevant by suggesting that we could use the same concept for a tree and/or shrub border. Heaven knows how the new series is meant to inspire young and novice gardeners.
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Message 14
Posted by Colin (U2252951) on Saturday, 26th March 2011
>Heaven knows how the new series is meant to inspire young and novice gardeners<
I don't think it is! They tried to be hip, happening and kewl and viewer numbers fell off a cliff.
Gardening appeals to peeps over 40, that's just a fact. -
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Posted by cufcskim (U14483815) on Saturday, 26th March 2011
Gardening appeals to peeps over 40, that's just a factÂ
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Posted by Obelixx (U2157162) on Saturday, 26th March 2011
Tim Burr - you need to pay attention. He did say the coppice effect could be had in a small border with a couple of shrubs such as cornus and salix and what's not to like about primroses and spring?
As for sweet peas, unless you're growing for showing, I found his advice to sow sweet peas in pots now quite liberating. Can't be doing with high maintenenace fusspots. I gave up on sweet peas for just that reason but may just try again this spring and see what happens.
Dahlia man was goo too with his advice. Great stuff if you can keep them all frost free over winter.
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Posted by chloedavis13 (U14811508) on Saturday, 26th March 2011
Hi- Poor Monty looks tired and very thin. Sure he is not eating enough.He needs more than just veg and seaweed. He is very worried about his box and twice said he didn't think it was box blight as though he was trying to convince himself they were OK and that seaweed would do the trick.
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Message 18
Posted by groundelder (U11750698) on Saturday, 26th March 2011
Must admit that Monty puts me off as he doesn't look well and I quite enjoyed the exuberance and youth of Toby et al.
Everything looks very tired and dare I say, boring.
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Posted by thedogcody (U14659366) on Saturday, 26th March 2011
An improvement on the first two prorammes and the dahlia man was a treat-but Carol stop running about like an excited schoolgirl-" just look at that" she gushed again this week-but seed sowing yet again-too long and surely if you don't know how to sow seeds this is not the programme for you-and is it just me (probably is) but I cant get excited about box hedging-anyway let us hope for better in future.
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Message 20
Posted by David K (U14115317) on Saturday, 26th March 2011
Do give his method a go, who know he may even convince you that Spencer sweet peas have no scent....and of course please trim your box hedge in October, you may have a magnificent specimen like his.
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Message 21
Posted by Oldends (U13875463) on Saturday, 26th March 2011
GW is just like box hedging - boring!
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Message 22
Posted by floraltips (U14757778) on Saturday, 26th March 2011
Oh David, I thought of you while that sweetpea segment was on.
Spitting feathers was what sprang to mind.
I suppose it all boils down to what you want to achieve.
If you want a few blooms late summer then do as MD says and bung 'em in the ground in May.
But if you want a long flowering period then do them a la David.
I planted in Jan, straight out to a plastic GH as soon as they poked their heads through, been open to the elements for much of that time and I now have strong little plants ready for the ground this week and I'm in N.Ireland !!
If you want success then follow the experts as in Dahlia man and David.
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Message 23
Posted by cazsudz (U7061972) on Saturday, 26th March 2011
Surely the point of telling us that he trimmed the box in October was to demonstrate that if you do that you get frosted shoots - called learning by mistakes. I think more people will remember that than if he just said -'trim your box on Derby Day and you will get perfect specimens like mine.'
I think its great that people grow sweet peas in all sorts of different ways, but it is perfectly possible to grow them as Monty demonstrated if you're a 'generalist gardener' rather than a specialist.
I'm thoroughly enjoying this new series. Why do people have to make personal comments about Monty's appearance? I'm amazed at the amount of time some of you have to spend thinking up new negative comments to put on these threads. I visit about once a week but think I'll stop now as I find it very depressing! Whereas I find GW inspiring.
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Message 24
Posted by Trillium (U2170869) on Saturday, 26th March 2011
I thought the episode had a warmth and honesty about it. Sharing your own tried and tested techniques and troubles are part and parcel of gardening.
Each time I've sown sweet peas in autumn I've lost them to mice or rot - six months is a long time to keep a small, young plant healthy in subzero temps - whereas early spring sowings thrive and are in full flower June - Sep. Each to their own.
Same with the box - he could have just ignored it, but chose to address it. I agree that it's not box blight - that was comprehensively addressed. It was snow/frost damage. Seaweed contains little in the way of major nutrients, but does contain a wide range of trace elements and is now rated by many golf course groundskeepers as a strengthener and tonic for stressed grass. It may or may not work, but the theory is sound.
Chock full of colour too with the sweet peas and dahlias. Still think Monty's shots look a bit underlit, even for my taste for gritty realism. -
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Posted by David K (U14115317) on Saturday, 26th March 2011
Surely the point of telling us that he trimmed the box in October was to demonstrate that if you do that you get frosted shoots - called learning by mistakes. I think more people will remember that than if he just said -'trim your box on Derby Day and you will get perfect specimens like mine.'
I think its great that people grow sweet peas in all sorts of different ways, but it is perfectly possible to grow them as Monty demonstrated if you're a 'generalist gardener' rather than a specialist.
I'm thoroughly enjoying this new series. Why do people have to make personal comments about Monty's appearance? I'm amazed at the amount of time some of you have to spend thinking up new negative comments to put on these threads. I visit about once a week but think I'll stop now as I find it very depressing! Whereas I find GW inspiring.
Caz
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Oh for Gawds sake! This is the man posing as the nations head gardener....I'm just a nobody, but I know better than that.
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Message 26
Posted by David K (U14115317) on Saturday, 26th March 2011
Trillium - Sweet peas are rated as hardy annuals (HA) and are exactly that. Of course, mice will eat them in March just as much as October.
These are some October sown seed, fully hardened of & ready for planting out now.
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Message 27
Posted by floraltips (U14757778) on Saturday, 26th March 2011
But surely the point of GW is to give the best advice possible and not just the particular presenters slant on things.
I'm not a specialist at all but I can read a seed packet and the instruction that comes with sweetpeas is to plant in autumn.
Doesnt work for everyone but 30 secs given to different methods and their pros/cons would have sufficed. Then folks could choose/learn what suits them best.
Monty has admitted that he gardens in a frost pocket and this probably has influenced HIS planting times but shouldnt influence others.
As to the box...well, he couldn't ignore it ....twas there in full view.
I do agree that this episode was more watchable. Monty was more affable and I think he will grow on me... even if I do question some points.
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Message 28
Posted by Trillium (U2170869) on Saturday, 26th March 2011
David K - yes, I have sometimes grown them successfully from an autumn sowing and you get flowers much earlier. But the ones I sowed a month ago are doing fine too - and I haven't had to think about them for the past 5 months. The mice get them in Dec/Jan when I don't go near the greenhouse for 6" of snow. At least in March I'm in the greenhouse several times a day.
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Message 29
Posted by Lowena (U14575314) on Sunday, 27th March 2011
A bit better this week. The dahlia man was good, but I wish Joe hadn't kept interrupting him. Carole was fine. Moga seemed a bit more at ease - it must be different when it's your own garden/work/style being appraised by the nation, rather than at Berryfields where he could claim no ownership ( blimey, a first - I'm being kind to the man). I think now is too late to sow sweet peas, but that's just my opinion, and Moga did say there were other options. I think the garden feels dark and claustrophobic because it is so rigidly divided by dense foliage, and the ariel photo make it seem a bit forbidding, but we'll have to wait a few weeks to see if any colour emerges. There........ a balanced view of what I thought of programme 3....phew!!
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Message 30
Posted by David K (U14115317) on Sunday, 27th March 2011
David K - yes, I have sometimes grown them successfully from an autumn sowing and you get flowers much earlier. But the ones I sowed a month ago are doing fine too - and I haven't had to think about them for the past 5 months. The mice get them in Dec/Jan when I don't go near the greenhouse for 6" of snow. At least in March I'm in the greenhouse several times a day.
I don't think Monty said don't sow in autumn - he just said you don't have to. Which is fair, I think. Â Right or wrong, I did interpret his comments as being dismissive about autumn sown sweet peas and to be honest I can't really see the point of sowing them in pots at the end of March.....surely it makes sense to sow them in situ at this time of year.
Anyone who has followed my threads on the subject will know that I cover all options, including sowing directly into the open ground in autumn.
Regarding his comment about Spencer sweet peas lacking scent, it's not just me who finds this comment ridiculous.
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Message 31
Posted by Stressed out (U11163734) on Sunday, 27th March 2011
It was a bit more watch able this week.
The bit on Dahlia's was very good and it is great to see such dedication and skill.
Overall much better, less veg more flowers
Not sure about the sweet peas we always grow ours in long root trainers, sown in autumn. However they have not done that well this year because it has been so cold and the compost seems to have held the moisture too much.
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Message 32
Posted by tenaki (U14562548) on Sunday, 27th March 2011
Well we are new to gardening (I am 40ish) and I enjoyed the show and will be watching again thats for sure.
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Message 33
Posted by Ken Smart (U1158196) on Sunday, 27th March 2011
Once again I thoroughly enjoyed the programme. As I thought, as the weeks pass we're going to see the garden slowly come to life (like our own). I like the style of MD - no real need to impress everyone all of the time by displaying his obvious 'passion'. There was something likeable about the gardener at Levens Hall, and I wished Joe had managed to be less mouthy around his guest, but all in all a grand half-hour.
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Message 34
Posted by the cycling gardener (U2350416) on Sunday, 27th March 2011
Another very enjoyable programme. It seems someone listens to comments on here about the size of Monty's garden as he very pointedly suggested how his copse planting ideas could be transferred to much smaller gardens.
The decision to concentrate on box was a brave one knowing the antagonism of some message boarders to Monty's hedging and balls but I thought the information about box blight was worth the indulgence. I sometimes wonder if bought Buxus plants should go into quarantine for a year or two before planting out just to check they aren't harbouring the disease but I haven't the patience to wait for expensive items to prove their resilience and have some Buxus on the go from cuttings instead.
With regard to sweet peas, I don't often grow them but when I do, I plant them direct into the ground in which they are to flower about now. Lack of personal gardening time means I can't be fiddling around with autumn sowings to have a head start for earlier flowering. I like to keep it simple. I'm not in a race.
I agree with other posts on this board that there is something strange about the light levels on film. Gardens at the moment are looking bright and cheery around here but Long Meadow looks permenantly bathed in dullness. If this is a result of a technical decision as some have suggested I hope the production team will rectify the problem asap. If not, I won't be moving to Herefordshire any time soon.
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Message 35
Posted by judimac (U2467704) on Sunday, 27th March 2011
My son rang as the titles started and was on for 45mins! I shall have to watch on iplayer!
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Message 36
Posted by honestGreengrass (U11104227) on Sunday, 27th March 2011
To be honest (greengrass), I did enjoy this week's programme. Was a bit worried that Monty seemed rather doddery to me.... or was it the glass of wine I'd just drunk:0
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Message 37
Posted by tattiebogle (U11728394) on Sunday, 27th March 2011
I enjoyed this week's programme too. I garden as an antidote to the stresses of everyday life, I find it very calming and relaxing, and that's what I like about the new style programme, and about the way Monty Don presents it. I expect that sometimes there will be sections in which I have no particular interest, but if they're done well, they can spark off some new ideas, and isn't that what a good programme does - inspire people to try something new?
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Message 38
Posted by Goldilocks (U2169760) on Sunday, 27th March 2011
Just like 'coffee table' magazines - look OK to the eye when you have nothing better to do, but containing little that is going to change the practices of most gardeners, and cenrtainly nothing to inspire potential new gardeners.
Those who don't need educating in the basics but who want to sit down for a half hour of light entertainment with a gardening theme will love it, watching good old Monty with his faintly patronising manner, posing nonchalantly as he leans against a pergola with a mug of tea in hand (no doubt handed to him by a Ö÷²¥´óÐã bod just before the camera rolls) and smiling that sugary smile. Yuk! -
Message 39
Posted by judimac (U2467704) on Monday, 28th March 2011
Good product placement for T&M seeds!
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Message 40
Posted by Bluedoyenne (U2341157) on Wednesday, 30th March 2011
The garden is beginning to unfurl and I can't wait to see the jewel garden which I've read about in MD's book (the name of which escapes me just now - the tribulations of growing old!).
I too salute Monty's courage to tackle anything box-related, given the hue and cry about box here. I've got a few box balls and appreciate what I learned on the programme - not to touch them with clippers in October, which I hadn't realised.
That small yellow-flowered plant MD planted in the spring garden looked lovely, so, one to read up on. The best was the sweet pea secton - Belgian winters are usually colder than those in the UK and starting them off in the autumn is not an option, and so I've never grown them. Yesterday I bought a few packets for the first time ever and planted them in pots. And guess what? Every packet gave the instructon to start them off in March in pots or to sow directly in April/May.
I enjoy MD's calm, frank and down-to-earth approach to his garden and I'm looking forward to the rest of the season. -
Message 41
Posted by Obelixx (U2157162) on Wednesday, 30th March 2011
I mentioned autumn sweet peas sowings to my scientists - English conversation once a week - and they all thought it was barking too except the two who don't garden and thus have no experience. They all think sowing should wait for the extra day length in March. They are, variously, experts in seed quality testing, forestry - natural and managed, water quality - rivers and lakes, insects both beneficial and pesky, pesticides and herbicides, micro biology - testing for naughties in milk and animal feeds, fertilisers - natural and agrichem and wildlife management - boar and red deer and their habitats.
Sowing in autumn may be fine for people with mild winters and/or lots of time and space for cosseting plants in case of a hard winter but otherwise spring sowings are best. I'd rather concentrate my energies on good quality perennials like clematis and spring bulbs than have the earliest sweet pea flowers. I garden for pleasure, not competition.
As for box, Derby day is not a significant date here in Belgium so my hedge didn't get clipped till mid July when I had some time. It's done fine through a nasty winter as it still had time for new growth to harden off and if I do get box blight one day those tips from Levens Hall will be valuable. -
Message 42
Posted by David K (U14115317) on Wednesday, 30th March 2011
Obs -There is obviously yawning gaps in yours, your high flying friends (and Monty Don's) understanding of growing sweet peas.
I'm slightly bemused that you mention day length....completely irrelevant! The seed just needs to be germinated during the last of the autumn's warmth, then for the plants to remain dormant until the onset of spring.
You say 'Sowing in autumn may be fine for people with mild winters and/or lots of time and space for cosseting plants in case of a hard winter but otherwise spring sowings are best.' You've obviously never read any advice I've given on the matter, otherwise you would know that the first golden rule for successful sweet pea growing is - DON'T CODDLE.
Re 'Derby Day', this was just a figurative term for gardeners to remember when to trim buxus, easier to remember than early June.
This may not be a 'significant' date in Belgium, but are you not aware that Gardeners' World is a British programme, produced for the British public and funded by British licence fee payers. -
Message 43
Posted by toonia (U4760062) on Wednesday, 30th March 2011
<< The seed just needs to be germinated during the last of the autumn's warmth, then for the plants to remain dormant until the onset of spring. >>
I have tried your method David and being another unfortunate who doesn't live in the UK I would say "the onset of spring" is the crunch point in choosing when to sow. I had no problem germinating SPs in autumn and keeping them a cold frame but planting out time is so late for me that I didn't really gain any flowering time. Now I have other plants to occupy my cold frames in winter and as SPs do perfectly well with spring sowings they've gone down my list of priorities.
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Message 44
Posted by Ariadne Knickerbocker (U4534559) on Wednesday, 30th March 2011
I don't think David should be giving advice to people who don't pay the licence fee! Let them start their own Sweet Pea thread.
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Message 45
Posted by toonia (U4760062) on Wednesday, 30th March 2011
No, but it has beaten the record for the longest any country has gone without a government.
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Message 46
Posted by Lowena (U14575314) on Wednesday, 30th March 2011
I've never seen a horse race in my life - but know that Derby Day is at the start of June....also, it gets media mentions at the time, which would jog one's memory.
I sow sweet peas in situ and in pots, in Autumn, when there are less jobs to think about. They are very little trouble and always perform well the following year.
No one is saying you HAVE to sow them then, just that an autumn sowing can be equally effective.It was Moga, in rubbishing autumn sowing who was wrong.Sowing now,is far too late to get a nice early crop for the house. -
Message 47
Posted by David K (U14115317) on Wednesday, 30th March 2011
Toonia - I do remember introducing you (and others) to the autumn sowing of sweet peas, and you were rather grateful & enthusiastic as I recall.
However, I’ve been around long enough to understand that people & ideas change.
For the record, I've never been dismissive of spring seed sowing.
As for Derby Day, I've already pointed out (several times here) it's just a memorable date that occurs during the first week in June.
Not that anyone would be interested, I carry lots of dates in my head when I reckon to do things i.e. sow my runner beans in the open May 12th, sow onion seed on the shortest day & harvest on the longest and on and on. -
Message 48
Posted by the cycling gardener (U2350416) on Wednesday, 30th March 2011
Re 'Derby Day', this was just a figurative term for gardeners to remember when to trim buxus, easier to remember than early June.
This may not be a 'significant' date in Belgium, but are you not aware that Gardeners' World is a British programme, produced for the British public and funded by British licence fee payers.Â
I think you are on your high horse David. I didn't think Obs was having a dig at the reference to Derby Day but that she was making the point that as it is not as memorable for her, she trimmed her box a bit late and got away with it.
I thought her comments about sp sowings were interesting and support my sowing in situ in early spring. No worries. -
Message 49
Posted by David K (U14115317) on Wednesday, 30th March 2011
I don't think David should be giving advice to people who don't pay the licence fee! Let them start their own Sweet Pea thread.
I'm not sure that Belgian has any 'significant' dates does it? Wanda, I'm sure Obelixx will correct that by informing you that she does contribute to the Ö÷²¥´óÐã via her TV package.
I once made the same in correct assumption.
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Message 50
Posted by David K (U14115317) on Wednesday, 30th March 2011
I think you are on your high horse David. I didn't think Obs was having a dig at the reference to Derby Day but that she was making the point that as it is not as memorable for her, she trimmed her box a bit late and got away with it.Â
Derby Day, high horse....getting a bit equine around here!
I'm just waiting for someone to tell me I'm wrong.
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