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Posted by girlgardener (U14297749) on Friday, 20th May 2011
I really enjoyed tonights programme!
me too- and monty was excellent again
, in reply to message 2.
Posted by Pumpkin_Patch_Paul (U14565900) on Friday, 20th May 2011
Well if you have a small plastic greenhouse and a few growbags it meant nothing.........I suppose I could try and win the lottery jackpot and then I might feel included.
Well if you have a small plastic greenhouse and a few growbags it meant nothing.........I suppose I could try and win the lottery jackpot and then I might feel included.Ìý Surely the advise re planting tomatoes (to which I assume you are referring) applies whether you are putting one plant in a pot, three in a grow bag or 60 in a large greenhouse?
Well, for me the more I see of his garden, the more it looks like a junk yard...perhaps it was the contrast with curly garden last night, and I do wish he would grub-out those dead box hedges.
I've seen that modern garden before - I'm sure there was a programme about its being made :/ ok programme last night but still can't warm to Moga's style of presenting
I've seen that modern garden before - I'm sure there was a programme about its being made :/ ok programme last night but still can't warm to Moga's style of presenting Ìý That garden was on Channel 4 - The Landscape Man.
This for me was the best programme in so far- I liked the tomato frame idea- but what he does with all that fruit I'd love to know-Carol's bit was informative ( no gushing this week)- and Joe's bit was interesting
The only downside - and I know I'm being picky was the incidental music- a really annoying tune-that was played whilst the lavender was being potted.- each time he stopped talking-annoying tune again!
There I feel better now!
I liked the tomato frame idea- but what he does with all that fruit I'd love to knowÌý
Sells them on ebay, I would think.....can't you just see it? An actual tomato grown by Monty Don!
I'm perplexed why the Donster seems to be taking lessons from Preston and Marr.
We have increaSINGly eccenTRIC PROnunciaTION accompanied be ever more elaborate hand gestures.
He does what I do - bottles and freezes the surplus as sauces.
Isn't it what we all do with a tomato glut?
and the period of glut comes just at the same time as herb abundance sometimes....
It's a marriage made in heaven!
Nice word glut- at what point does a glut turn into a tomato mountain ( as in wine lake)
For me - at the point where I came home tired from work to be faced with the pounds and pounds waiting for reduction in lots of saucepans.
Then I stuck them in the freezer, whole, in polythene bags.
You can chuck them into a sauce from frozen in a hurry - just fish the skins out as they peel off in the sauce
I know I sound like the Ö÷²¥´óÐã Grown Tomato Marketing Board - but really - so many varieties, so many uses
It's the one thing I will always grow
Viva Toms!
I agree, the only ones that are a problem are the end of season green ones.
Thanks Boofer - so it was
, in reply to message 11.
Posted by Pumpkin_Patch_Paul (U14565900) on Saturday, 21st May 2011
He should give Joe a box full seeing as he doesn't grow them anymore...........
I enjoyed the programme, though the modern garden bit didn't appeal, especially the overly convoluted walled paths. They reminded me of a crazy golf garden in a Spanish holiday resort - not natural at all, and I don't think ageing will do much to improve it.
OH, on the other hand, liked it!
i really do enjoy the new gw. last nights episode did seem to stray close to being one mans' trifle though. which is not a problem for me but i suspect will be for other people here. anyway... loving new gw. even better with a cherry lambic beer.
and that modern garden sucked. my idea of horticultural hell. brand new paving everywhere. ultra short cut grass, manicured beyond all interest to me. just too neat and dull.
With such a large greenhouse and so much space for planting, why did Monty only plant the two varieties of tomato he always grows plus the grafted Shirley? He could have tried out lots of different varieties or at least compared grafted plants with seed grown ones, so we would know whether the grafted plants are worth the extra money.
In the Beechgrove Garden, Jim has planted up loads of different varieties and at the end of the season he will compare the results, so I'll know what varieties are worth considering and what not to bother with.
Sadly for me, I do only have a small plastic greenhouse and a couple of growbags, so I need to be sure the varieties I plant are going to give a reasonable return.
weeeell. this is montys' garden. not a trial area. his life, his way.
Share your view re the modern garden, Goldilocks - crazy golf course came to mind. And my OH loved it too!
in the tv schedules in the papers , they said he was going to give advice on citrus plants , as i have recently bought one i was waiting for this item.
Did they just forget to include it..............
Sorry folks but yesterday's show was.... BORING, BORING,BORING,BORING,BORING,BORING,BORING,BORING,BORING,BORING,BORING,BORING,BORING,BORING,BORING,BORING,BORING,BORING,BORING,BORING,BORING,BORING,BORING.
Sorry folks but yesterday's show was.... BORING, BORING,BORING,BORING,BORING,BORING,BORING,BORING,BORING,BORING,BORING,BORING,BORING,BORING,BORING,BORING,BORING,BORING,BORING,BORING,BORING,BORING,BORING.Ìý
Will you watching the repeat?
again, i just dion't understand you all.
i'm just happy to see someone in his element enjoying himself in a garden he loves doing his thing- i feel like there is a washing line with a collective noun of crows sat on it, cawing in a vulgar manner and losing their droppings at a leisurely pace, just waiting to pick at his bones
if you want to know more, read a book. if you cant read then how are you typing? if you really weant to be a better gardener, go and do a course. if you just want to pick on something, go on a virtual site and vent your spleens at someobne who isn't real or doesn't care, neither of which are qualities of monty don.
clearly, you can use the internet so even if you can't use a book, you can find out about citrus fruit in a bit motre detail than monty could in a few seconds on telly?
Joey...if we are to read a book/do a course to learn more abouit the noble art....what is the point of Gardeners World and Monty Don, are they just wasting my liscence fee?
I for one am one of your analogous crows...perching, waiting, defacating, ready to pick at his bones!
Zambooza
then you sir are a bounder, a cad and a ruffian no less!! GW is just there to enjoy... its a nice guy doing stuff in his gardena nd its brilliant as that. people will learn from it, hiow much depends on how much they already know or in the case of you crows, how much you think you know.
your license fee pays for the message boards and the poor moderators who ahve to read all this tripe. we need to all get more of a life.
then you sir are a bounder, a cad and a ruffian no less!! GW is just there to enjoy... its a nice guy doing stuff in his gardena nd its brilliant as that. people will learn from it, hiow much depends on how much they already know or in the case of you crows, how much you think you know.
your license fee pays for the message boards and the poor moderators who ahve to read all this tripe. we need to all get more of a life.Ìý
Here, Here
Along the lines of the previously discussed subject of Monty's garden being behind everyone else’s. I was surprised by the fact he said in this episode his radishes weren’t ready yet. Here we are two thirds of May gone by & he still doesn't have radishes.
I live in mid-Staffordshire (not all that far from Monty's Herefordshire) and I'm harvesting my second sowing of them....Strange!
In the Beechgrove Garden, Jim has planted up loads of different varieties and at the end of the season he will compare the results, so I'll know what varieties are worth considering and what not to bother with.Ìý
Jim tried grafted tomatoes last year, the problem is, he didn't compare like-for-like varieties, only similar types. They weighed the difference, and the grafted plants had a heavier crop, but not by a huge margin. They also covered other grafted plants like sweet peppers and aubergines, but got poor results.
I hope Monty planted some normal Shirley plants with the grafted ones as a fair comparison, otherwise the results won't be useful.
... they said he was going to give advice on citrus plants... did they just forget to include it....Ìý
My impression was that the citrus plant being refered to was the citrus scented pelargonium.
About that modern garden.... A garden tells you an awful lot about its owner. I do wonder what sort of person 'lives in a garden like that'.
My impression is that it's someone very nouveau riche, possibly a lottery winner or similar, who knows nothing whatsoever about gardening, and they think that by throwing a pile of cash at some garden designer, who knows marginally more than they do, that they can get an impressive garden to show off to their friends, and even get it on telly. I may be quite wrong.
Whatever the explanation, I ain't impressed. I like real gardens with some character, like Monty's.
I like to see compost heaps - I know it's sad...
I was so transfixed at Kew that I had my photo taken there, and at Barnsdale my friends lost me - they moved on and I was busy having compost envy
Yes, I've got 3 at home, but not on that scale
The wotkings behind a garden are more interesting in some ways.
Please please please can anyone tell me what the incidental music is when Monty is planting his tomatoes, around 2mins 5seconds into a programme I very much enjoyed.
This music, whoever it is, has been inside my head for several days, so I need to know what it is so I can buy it.
Sorry this has little to do with gardening, but a reply with the artist and song would be wonderful.
I couldn't recall the music, so went on to Iplayer and listened. It sounds a bit like that manufactured musak that they play in lifts, so perhaps there is no composer/artist specifically involved (or who would admit to it! ),
I did think the framework for the tomatoes was good and have adapted it for my own plants. However, I hope he was never a Cub or a Scout - 'cos his Akela would despair at his ramshackle square lashings!
PHJ
Please please please can anyone tell me what the incidental music is when Monty is planting his tomatoes, around 2mins 5seconds into a programme I very much enjoyed.Ìý
Not sure, it's probably a band like Air, Morcheeba, Zero 7 etc.
About that modern garden, I thought at the time that Monty surely wouldn't like it - not his type of garden at all. I presumed the producers had decided to feature it, and he had to introduce it, through gritted teeth.
Why? It was sculptural, architectural and almost devoid of colourful flowers...right up his street i would have thought!!
See my message No5!
"i'm just happy to see someone in his element enjoying himself in a garden he loves doing his thing-"
With you 100% Joey Shakes; well, almost .....
but I do wish the Beeb would schedule it for EVERY friday evening or make an attempt, however sorry, at CONTINUITY - example: sweet peas sown in episode 3 or thereabouts. With MD as my gardening role model, I planted some exactly as he did - the roots moved out of their small pots and downwards many, many weeks ago and have probably reached my cellar by now!).
MD where are your sweetpeas?
When I saw the hazel wigwams my heart sang last programme, but sadly, there wasn't a sweetpea to be seen.
Now now David - I know you love your sweetpeas and are possibly even a sweetpea expert, but please behave
"
Now now David - I know you love your sweetpeas and are possibly even a sweetpea expert, but please behave Ìý
Bluedoyenne - Even for someone I have the utmost respect for, I can't promise to tell it other than the way it is. One week we see MD sowing sweet pea seed, a couple of weeks later he is planting out young plants, then (as you say) nothing.
As for continuity, I wouldn't hold your breath; remember the experimental hot beds at Berryfields? They must have cost a small fortune...never to see the light of day again.
Anyway, as you must know, I do other things in the garden other than growing sweet peas.
"... a couple of weeks later he is planting out young plants"
did I miss this? as far as I knew his plants were still in their pots! (and I nearly lost mine waiting for him to show me exactly what he did next
"... a couple of weeks later he is planting out young plants"
did I miss this? as far as I knew his plants were still in their pots! (and I nearly lost mine waiting for him to show me exactly what he did next Ìý
Bluedoyenne - You really should me more careful who you adopt as your mentor...never mind, I'll be watching out for you!
At least Toby Buckland had the good sense to advise reading these threads to gain knowledge of growing sweet peas.
DK - I can't help but find your remarks about Monty a little vitrolic and overly critical. Calm down, and give the show a chance for a couple of series. You can't (implicitly) criticise the man's gardening skills based on how early/late his garden is.
Based on what I've read of the Ivington Gardens (a very pleasant read) his site is quite exposed, which would hold back the new growth (I can vouch for that - I'm on an exposed garden and a full week behind my neighbours for aquilegias/blackthorn who are further down the hill)
Also, the weather shown at the time of airing indicates they are filming a couple of weeks behind too.
I actually quite liked the way the modern garden is weathering into the landscape etc. When I saw it on Landscape man I thought it was monstrous (OH liked it - there's a theme here!) but given an extra bit of growing time and I think its starting to soften and really work. Give it another couple of years and it will really start to soften and look fab I'll wager.
As for the music, i have given it a quick listen on sky+ and despite having a few zero7, air etc albums i didn't recognise it.
As for the tomatoes, of course if you are growing cooking tomatoes you would want that many.
cheers
Mich
DK - I can't help but find your remarks about Monty a little vitrolic and overly critical. Calm down, and give the show a chance for a couple of series. You can't (implicitly) criticise the man's gardening skills based on how early/late his garden is.Ìý
I presume you mean 'vitriolic'. Perhaps you could enlighten me of anything I have said that is so.
For the record, I have absolutely no interest in his garden and haven’t others remarked how late his garden is compared with the rest of the country.
, in reply to message 45.
Posted by poshHebeJeebie (U9319867) on Wednesday, 25th May 2011
David: Your expertise with SPs has long been acknowledged on this MB. The dismissive comments from Monty clearly rankled with you - with good reason imo.
GW is THE flagship gardening programme for the Ö÷²¥´óÐã. I therefore matters who fronts it and the advice that is given.
I'm a bit of an "old hand" when it comes to gardening, and take such advice as is given on the programme with a pinch (OK - a shovel) of salt. But for newer gardeners, if the basic advice is flawed, then they are doomed to poor results at best, and failure at worst.
So I understand your intervention, and defend your comments, because I know that your advice is sound, based on years of experience. I just wish that others could see it in the same light.
Oh, well, off to trial my mobility scooter, check my zimmer frame and check my mind in for a dementia assessment. (
PHJ
I despair, really, I do.
Having a hissy fit about others typos and banging on and on and on about some sweet pea for ages and falling out with others on the message board, both of you
so, someone disagrees with something said on GW weeks ago.............
Havenen't we covered that?>
Thank you, PHJ.
It doesn't matter to me who fronts GW and I've always been fair when warranted. For instance, I've never wavered in my admiration for Carol Klein who is always reliable & on top of her game.
I despair, really, I do.
Having a hissy fit about others typos and banging on and on and on about some sweet pea for ages and falling out with others on the message board, both of you
so, someone disagrees with something said on GW weeks ago.............
Havenen't we covered that?>Ìý
Erm…..you got a bit muxed up with 'haven't, Nooj!
, in reply to message 47.
Posted by poshHebeJeebie (U9319867) on Wednesday, 25th May 2011
Yup! Topic covered, Nooj. Resolved? Probably not.
The point is NOT sweetpeas per se - but specific advice as given on what is THE flagship gardening programme. Defective advice is worse than no advice.
You know and I know and many other MB readers/posters know that David has serious knowledge of his subject, and has shared it (for no personal gain) with many, many people.
One cavalier, throw-away comment from Monty undermines his (David's) knowledge but, more importantly. diminishes the validity of GW advice in general.
For the record: I have never been a fan of Monty, and have expressed my personal reasons. I have no problem with him or anyone else fronting GW. I have a problem (Buckland et al) with poor information and advice.
Sorry. Don't intend to offend. Just have an opinion, and am prepared to defend it. And, no, this is most definitely not a "hissy fit".
PHJ
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