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Posted by welshcol (U2301689) on Thursday, 7th July 2011
I see the new Garden ER programme from Channel 5 starting next week on Wednesday 13th July at 7-30pm with David Domoney-who he? .
Still will provide Monty a bit of competition with GW but impression is its a make over format a la AT in Ground Force but may be worth catching the first episode to see what its like.
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Posted by ladynovicegardener (U5368058) on Thursday, 7th July 2011
Thanks for the heads up, I'll be watching it to see what it's like.
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His profile says he is "eccentric" and gives his plants viagra (??) He says he favours the "Lovejoy meets Top Gear " style of gardening and was on such heavyweight programmes as "60 minute Makeover" ;/
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I see the new Garden ER programme from Channel 5 starting next week on Wednesday 13th July at 7-30pm with David Domoney-who he? .
Still will provide Monty a bit of competition with GW but impression is its a make over format a la AT in Ground Force but may be worth catching the first episode to see what its like.Ìý
It sounds dreadful, but I shall give it a try - I'm never one to miss a gardening programme, although I don't like the sound of this one!!!
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Garden ER used to be on a few years ago - not sure which channel. I used to watch it on Sky, so would probably have been repeats. It is, as someone suggested on here, very much like Ground Force. The only difference was that it's done in one day. It was with different gardeners. David Domoney's been on TV a number of times in the past (a couple of times last year), as he's won quite a few medals at the RHS shows. He did one at Gardeners' World Live a couple of years ago (and maybe since then).
I know a lot of people don't like garden make-over shows (which is what this is) but, it's still a bit of gardening - which is something
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I'm never one to miss a gardening programme,Ìý
elouisa
I noticed today that there are repeats of Gardeners' World now being shown on Blighty. It was on at 1.00pm today. When I pressed the 'record' button, it asked if I wanted to record that one, or the series, so they must be showing more of them. I came across it by accident (looking for the repeat of Beechgrove, which I accidentally deleted !!)
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One day we're going to HAVE to get Sky.
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His profile says he is "eccentric" and gives his plants viagra (??) Ìý
Why not?
The active chemical in Viagra, nitric oxide, causes plants to close their pores (stomata). So they evaporate less water. So, when treated with Viagra, a limp plant will become erect.
Article from New Scientist:
David Domoney designed a garden at the recent RHS Hampton Court show, which he called 'The Naked Garden':
Actually, David Domoney doesn't understand 'naked'. IMO,his garden was a very amateurish effort, considering the theme.
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One day we're going to HAVE to get Sky.Ìý
Paul
You're not missing an awful lot, since they took the Gardening Chanel off. Even though it mainly consisted of repeats, I still miss it.
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Blighty has been showing old GWs for a while now, they repeat the same show several times a day. Mostly they are from Berryfields but very occasionally they show a Toby programme. I wish Blighty would give the date the programmes originally went out but I have to wait until the very end of the credits when the year is shown in Roman numerals.
This morning they showed a programme from 2003. I didn't see all of it but what I did see I really enjoyed, it was full of information and inspiration, which is what GW should be about. I felt at the time, and watching the repeats has confirmed, that the quality of the programme dropped off quite a bit towards the end of Monty's tenure and after he left the show really lost its way.
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Good grief! Garden ER was pretty dire, but don't compare it with Ground Force. At least that had a bit of humour, and you could actually see the work that went into it. This was wallpaper for the eyes. Matt & Jenny couldn't afford to go on holiday but chose to spend 7500 pounds on an instant garden, mature Torbay Palms, a hot tub and beach scene wallpaper to cover the unsightly fencing panels. They learned nothing about gardening (neither did the viewers) but got an instant garden they didn't have to work for.
My own garden was created from swopping cuttings and plants with friends, reading everything I could lay hands on on the subject and watching GW. I did all the work myself and learned along the way. I had no money to spend and enjoyed learning the hard way.
This programme was so cringly awful.
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One day we're going to HAVE to get Sky.Ìý
You're Rupert Murdoch and I claim my £5!
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I agree, I switched off after a couple of minutes. Only one way to describe it cr@p
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Posted by happytobyfan (U13663471) on Wednesday, 13th July 2011
Good grief! Garden ER was pretty dire, but don't compare it with Ground Force.Ìý
This new version is very different from the original, which I used to watch on Sky. They obviously thought they would 'up-date and improve' it - which, of course, they haven't. This one has nothing whatsoever to do with gardening.
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I thought this program was better than AT's current Love Your Garden. This program program moved faster, and actually did have more content.
I think the concept of the instant garden, or instant makeover, is nonsense. Ground Force was entertaining, but it's not gardening. There are a few people who move into newbuilds, and who do face a real problem of starting from a blank sheet. But getting someone else to build a garden in a day is not the answer.
It's a bit like foreign aid: do you simply ship out tons of food, or do you teach people how to feed themselves. It's far better to provide tools and educate, and to get people to look after themselves. Getting someone else to do the job for them is a failure. And Rome wasn't built in a day.
I did like the idea that the couple should want a garden that made them feel like being on holiday. I do like gardens that are individual, and reflect their owners' tastes. But that's as far as it goes.
I'm very sceptical about hot tubs. I wonder how many people come to regret spending that amount of cash, and the perpetual heating costs, which must be considerable. Will the hot tub become a hideous legacy they'll tire of, and eventually want to get rid of.
The instant outdoor murals were a novel idea. But you could have stuck them up around the living room and pretended you were in Torbay: it wasn't about plants or gardens.
I'd been looking forward to seeing the 'celebrity garden'. So that non-entity was a celebrity was he. I didn't think much of his expensive garden either.
The girlie in the very short gardening shorts was probably the best feature on the show. That was a good style trend.
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It was ok.It was obviously aimed at non gardeners and if it helped them to become a bit interested in outdoors then so much the better.
They didn't spend £7,500 - Channel 5 paid, it's pot luck which amount you choose.
We have had a hot tub for 10yrs.We use it every day unless it is raining ( don't like wet hair) It's a great way to relax your muscles after a hard days gardening
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It wasn't brilliant- but it wasn't awful and better than the itv effort-the chap who runs Gardening Express has got a bit to answer for- not really a great advert for his company when he leaves a project untouched for 2 years-it will be interesting next week when there is only(?) £1500 to spend.
It is a make-over show not a "gardening" programme with some "interesting" ideas-and on the sexist front we have Danielle Lloyd next week as well as Bonnie with the shorts- Charlie Dimmock is just a distant memory..........
Geoff
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... Charlie Dimmock is just a distant memory.......Ìý
The comparison of Bonnie Davies with CD had occured to me.
CD had a reputation for getting wet too. Though Bonnie did employ a rubber suit to get in the pond.
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I thought the same about the Gardening Express chap - I certainly wouldn't buy his plants - his box was worse than MD's
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Posted by Rainjustlearning (U12861332) on Thursday, 14th July 2011
I watched it for the first time ever, hmmmmmm not quite sure if I enjoyed it or not, to busy for me and not enough gardening going on maybe next week it might get better, it has one more week then if I don't enjoy it it can go on the compost heap.
Rain
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Sounds very tempting, Lowena, but isn't ruinously expensive to heat it every day?
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Was glad that BD did not wear marigolds and I thought that she looked like she could dig.
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...the chap who runs Gardening Express has got a bit to answer for- not really a great advert for his company...Ìý
.... about the Gardening Express chap - I certainly wouldn't buy his plants - his box was really poorÌý
That was a bit disturbing. The guy's explanation was that he was too busy running his nursery to bother about his own garden and to look after his plants. But the entire design of that wildlife pond was ridiculous. I don't know if many viewers noticed, but that 'animal bridge' which Bonnie built seemed to be hiding several large pipes. That was never intended to be a wildlife pond.
As far as I can tell, you can't actually visit that nursery. It seems to be 'online only'.
I guess the nursery has many satisified customers, and also some unhappy ones who don't complain.
What no business wants are unhappy customers who are vocal about it. Googling for the name of the nursery followed by the word 'complaints' shows that there seem to be a lot of them.
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...the chap who runs Gardening Express has got a bit to answer for- not really a great advert for his company...Ìý
.... about the Gardening Express chap - I certainly wouldn't buy his plants - his box was really poorÌý
That was a bit disturbing. The guy's explanation was that he was too busy running his nursery to bother about his own garden and to look after his plants. But the entire design of that wildlife pond was ridiculous. I don't know if many viewers noticed, but that 'animal bridge' which Bonnie built seemed to be hiding several large pipes. That was never intended to be a wildlife pond.
As far as I can tell, you can't actually visit that nursery. It seems to be 'online only'.
I guess the nursery has many satisified customers, and also some unhappy ones who don't complain.
What no business wants are unhappy customers who are vocal about it. Googling for the name of the nursery followed by the word 'complaints' shows that there seem to be a lot of them.
Ìý
Ah but the best bit is, I had an e-mail from the company urging me to look at programme- I think I must have bought some plants in the past from Jersey-so I could see the plants they used-probably not the best advertising strategy- a sort of roundabout product placement?
I have been thinking about the £7500 budget for this garden-that is a helleva lot of money to spend on quite a small space- i would have thought anyone would struggle to spend all that -If you get what I mean-so perhaps the tub idea was quite an astute move and still left over £3000 on planting- plenty I would have said!!
But then the sky is the limit!!
Geoff
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Posted by the cycling gardener (U2350416) on Friday, 15th July 2011
£7500 was just for the plants and materials. Its not a lot of money for a garden that size to include labour. Once again the public are misled over the cost of garden design and build.
I thought the programme was terrible - gardening for the Playstation generation. Everyone seemed to talk very loudly all the time accompanied by computer game up tempo background music just to make the youngsters feel at ease. The final straw was the young woman client who just had to scream on the reveal. I wanted to scream with her. The rocks edging the lawn were a nightmare for a mower - and where was that going to be stored?
As you can tell I really didn't like this programme. Perhaps next week????
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I bow to your superior knowledge on costing-as for next week there is £1500 available- am I right in thinking the idea is to do the whole row of houses or have I got that bit wrong- if right people are not going to be happy with uneven house values??-assuming a designed garden has a value..............
Geoff
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They choose an envelope with an amount hidden within.I think they are doing the whole row.To be fair to C5 they never said it was a gardening programme - they marketted it as a lifestyle programme featuring garden makeovers for non/novice gardeners.
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I watched it for the first time ever, hmmmmmm not quite sure if I enjoyed it or not, to busy for me and not enough gardening going on maybe next week it might get better, it has one more week then if I don't enjoy it it can go on the compost heap.
Rain Ìý
I am with you at the moment -there was no way I was expecting an in depth gardening programme but as a background makeover show with a bit of gardening interest it fitted the bill. Although I thought the presenter was going to be a real pain initially but by the end eventually started to empathise with him-he is no AT but did a pretty good job.
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Posted by ladynovicegardener (U5368058) on Saturday, 16th July 2011
Nothing about the programme impressed me except the hot tub. I'd absolutely love to have one. It'll be more interesting next week I hope.
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Posted by Pumpkin_Patch_Paul (U14565900) on Saturday, 16th July 2011
Nice to have some presenters that that don't look lke they belong in the undertakers and know that the year is 2011 and not 1952.
Thought Bonnie was fantastic full of live and energy,they also managed to feature a new build nearly identical to mine and not some stately mansion.
The hot tub would make my water meter cry and personaly I would sooner have the cash ..........Did I say Bonnie was fantastic (cough!!)
PPP.
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Posted by the cycling gardener (U2350416) on Saturday, 16th July 2011
I bow to your superior knowledge on costing-as for next week there is £1500 available- am I right in thinking the idea is to do the whole row of houses or have I got that bit wrong- if right people are not going to be happy with uneven house values??-assuming a designed garden has a value..............
GeoffÌý
A well designed garden should add value to a house and will certainly make it more desirable, for example, if the garden is on a slope or hill and the design resolves all the issues associated with gardening on an incline or perhaps successfully addresses the problems of privacy (particularly on modern housing estates). However, you cannot guarantee to recoup the whole cost of the project particularly in these cash strapped times when we are no longer able to absorb the cost of home improvements through ever increasing house values. Crucially, it also depends how much money has been thrown at the design and how the money is used. A bad design will without doubt put off buyers as will an over personalised one and potentially devalue the property as buyers will have to allocate funds to remodel the garden.
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I bow to your superior knowledge on costing-as for next week there is £1500 available- am I right in thinking the idea is to do the whole row of houses or have I got that bit wrong- if right people are not going to be happy with uneven house values??-assuming a designed garden has a value..............
GeoffÌý
A well designed garden should add value to a house and will certainly make it more desirable, for example, if the garden is on a slope or hill and the design resolves all the issues associated with gardening on an incline or perhaps successfully addresses the problems of privacy (particularly on modern housing estates). However, you cannot guarantee to recoup the whole cost of the project particularly in these cash strapped times when we are no longer able to absorb the cost of home improvements through ever increasing house values. Crucially, it also depends how much money has been thrown at the design and how the money is used. A bad design will without doubt put off buyers as will an over personalised one and potentially devalue the property as buyers will have to allocate funds to remodel the garden.Ìý
Thanks for that -actually I was being a little bit facetious and I should have said "designer" rather than designed if you get my drift-I do get the point you are making and if you regard the garden as an outside room than the decoration might not be to everbody's taste- some people will see a hot-tub and mural fences and run a mile -possibly to the house next door...........
Actually the concept of the series is quite a nice idea-didn't Charlie Dimmock do something like this years ago- just not sure yet about the execution-reserving final judgement for now !!
Geoff
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I absolutely loathed the beach design. Those cordylines, the jacuzzi and those fence panels are just my kind of nightmare.
However, the pond section was good and there were a few tips here and there so I'll watch again. Heaven knows what he'll do with the £10,000 budget and the few hundred pounds one.
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The cheapest budget will be "wildlife friendly" garden, largely made up of packets of annual seeds and a wildlife pond ... betcha
I expect they sorted out which plan went with which budget before they even started
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Posted by the cycling gardener (U2350416) on Monday, 18th July 2011
Yeah. Its probably the same amount in each envelope.
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that'd be my guess
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Heaven knows what he'll do with the £10,000 budget and the few hundred pounds one.Ìý
Point taken, but I think the big thing that is not "factored" into these budgets is that the labour is apparently free issue. In saying that a few hundred pounds, couple of decent gardeners and labourers and am sure there will be a dramatic change especially since the start point is a muddy patch of earth.
Will be interesting to see .
I think with a lot of these makeovers be it garden, house, motors etc you have got to suspend real world factors and just go with the flow which hopefully makes for an entertaining view with a smatter of reality .
I will certainly give it another go but record it so that I can fast forward through the trivia bits.
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Absolutely ghastly programme. Rebecca the teacher could have trimmed her figure down had she spared fifteen minutes a day sorting her tiny patch out. And as for the footballer wife with the little girl voice, does her husband play football every hour of every day that he can't even mow the grass? And as for the garage conversion... Truly awful. Silver fence panels??? Good grief.
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Posted by Rainjustlearning (U12861332) on Wednesday, 20th July 2011
I missed it but on reading your post Paul don't think I've missed much, do you think it's destined for the compost heap now ?
Rain
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Was there any gardening? I must have missed that bit, I saw lots of hard landscaping and shed decorating through the fast forward.
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Posted by the cycling gardener (U2350416) on Wednesday, 20th July 2011
I agree with Paul. Yuk! Yet again DD created a lawn with edging that makes it impossible to mow up to, for people with little time for garden maintenance! He should have laid it lower so the lawn surface was 2 to 3 cm above the edging strip so a mower can easily ride over the top or better still got more attractive edging. The patio slabs are £1.10 a throw. Cheap and cheerful - just about acceptable for the budget (and they chose the blue envelope again Lowena. Should we read anything into that?) Yet again nowhere to keep a mower and the strimmer they'll need for the lawn edges.
They chose New Guinea Impatiens, in my experience one of the most thirsty plants around, to demonstrate some dodgy holiday watering techniques. There is no way that sitting one in its pot on a wet sponge mat would keep it happy for a week. Oh well, there's always next week.....
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I didn't think 'the look' was too bad. The couple wanted something simple. We don't know what proportion of the budget went on that lump of rock (which was out of place) so the rest of the garden was quite inexpensive.
I hadn't been aware of the issues surrounding overlap fencing - about determining ownership, and the need to avoid drip down the neighbour's side.
The watering-when-on-holiday feature was nonsense. If a hanging basket requires one gallon per day, then it needs 14 gallons for a fortnight. These schemes using little bottles just won't work. Mind you, we've seen the tiny container and wick trick on GW, in the days of Toby Buckland.
The shed makeover was, er, interesting. It is a real pity that so many people only use their sheds for storing rubbish - tools and mowers and such.
And what about Danielle Lloyd's WAG's garden. So that's what you get, if you're on £30,000 a week, is it. Danielle was in the news last week, having a premature baby (which was apparent on the show); hope everything is OK.
Danielle was dressed perfectly for the occasion, in pretty floral dress, accessorised with (unused) heavy-duty gardening gloves. So chic, and practical too.
The press also say that Danielle's in the process of house-hunting. Does that mean that the garden we saw is the one she's leaving. Whatever, the free makeover will come in handy when it comes to sell the house.
Can't people on £30,000 a week afford a gardener, if they're too lazy to do anything themselves?
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This programme took giant steps backwards- hated most of it and I had such high hopes- kidding myself again- so footballers wife cannot afford a gardener or do it herself??- why even have such narrow beds if you are going to ignore them??
As for the makeover -ok if you like that sort of thing and low maintenance-but not a garden more an outside room..............
Bonnie seems to have a good knowledge - pretty young thing!!-he I dont like and the music -urgh!!!!!-games room???- again who is this programme aimed at-I just dont get it..........
Geoff
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It's aimed at non gardeners to give them ideas, apparently.
The stone water feature cost £350 it said.
I quite enjoyed it and he produced a suitable garden for the couple involved.Quite what the lady's size/figure has to do with things is beyond me, and quite rude.
The shed was a bit of fun and Danielle LLoyd and her garden were a waste of time.....literally
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A bit rude, Lowena? Really? My point is - although it was abundantly clear - is that a bit of regular work in the garden would keep people's weight down. Even young, fit but busy people can find the time to spend fifteen minutes a day in such a small garden. I heard it quoted on Radio 2 yesterday that now 40% of Brits are morbidly obese, obvious hurrying to catch up with the Americans.
Anyway this 'show' is for bone idle people who can't be bothered to read a book or magazine on gardening advice, speak to enthusiastic neightbours or friends but just want someone else to give them an awful makeover. Most of those gardens will look like unkempt wrecks in twelve months.
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A bit rude, Lowena? Really? My point is - although it was abundantly clear - is that a bit of regular work in the garden would keep people's weight down. Even young, fit but busy people can find the time to spend fifteen minutes a day in such a small garden. I heard it quoted on Radio 2 yesterday that now 40% of Brits are morbidly obese, obvious hurrying to catch up with the Americans.
Anyway this 'show' is for bone idle people who can't be bothered to read a book or magazine on gardening advice, speak to enthusiastic neightbours or friends but just want someone else to give them an awful makeover. Most of those gardens will look like unkempt wrecks in twelve months. Ìý
This is going to turn out to be off topic.
I have been reading all the posts just out of interest. First post round Paul N, I ignored your remark about the lady in question. However, your last post must, I am sure, be written out of ignorance. You are one of those annoying people that think that people overweight scoff all day and sit doing nothing. Let me just put you straight. That isn't so.
It always amazes me how people can be so judgmental about others. Using the phrase my friend often quotes 'If you can't say something nice, don't say nothing at all'.
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Posted by the cycling gardener (U2350416) on Thursday, 21st July 2011
You are one of those annoying people that think that people overweight scoff all day and sit doing nothing. Let me just put you straight. That isn't so.Ìý
I agree, and some are on medication with weight gain as a side effect but lets get real, some do lead a very sedentary lifestyle and most just make really bad food choices and eat more at a meal than their bodies need then top up between meals on snacks. They may not eat much in volume (although from experience overweight people I know pile their plates up) but consume far to much sugar and fat. A few months of this and the pounds start to pile on which some self control, regulation of portion sizes and exercise (gardening is great) can reverse. I'm not skinny - a healthy size 12 - but I have to watch what I eat and it doesn't come easy. I exercise three times a week, I've also started walking a lot more and of course I garden. I know from experience how a few choccy bars, biscuits and cakes between meals can make the pounds creep on and before you know it things are getting out of hand. Its all about taking responsibility and respecting your body rather than blaming hormones, genetics and MacDonalds.
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The lady's size and weight are both irrelevant to the programme. She didn't know what to do, had no interest in gardening and wanted an outdoor room.
She is not unintelligent and will be perfectly capable of the upkeep of the space now it has been planned and executed for her.Not everyone is a gardener, most people who are not want an "outdoor entertaining "space and that was provided - same as last week. Anyone who WAS a gardener would be able to do it for themselves. Channel 5 say it is a "lifestyle entertainment" programme and it should be viewed as such
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Lowena
You are right!!!!!!!!!!!!
and it is after all only a tv show
Geoff
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