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Gardener's World 19th August
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Message 1.Â
Posted by Lowena (U14575314) on Friday, 19th August 2011
Looking forward to tonight's programme
I always do
It must be the triumph of hope over expectation
I hope it's more interesting and informative than September's edition of Gardener's World Magazine
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Message 2
Posted by Paul N (U6451125) on Friday, 19th August 2011
Lowena
I loved it but then I almost always do. The Secret Garden was terrific and I want a bothy like that. Monty's presentation as ever was spot on and has reminded me I need to get some bulbs in the ground. Even Joe Swift's garden with it's strange geometics shapes in the lawn appealed to me. Just brilliant. -
Message 3
Posted by Stressed out (U11163734) on Friday, 19th August 2011
It was actually very good this week as it was a bit more floral
Spring bulbs are in the shops so I hope they will cover everything that is available. -
Message 4
Posted by Lowena (U14575314) on Friday, 19th August 2011
I really enjoyed this weeks programme
I'd still prefer the garden visits to be in a separate programme, but , they were both great gardens and interesting features.MD's pieces were spot on for the time of the year, and a timely reminder to start thinking about bulbs.
Let's hope the remaining programmes are as good - it was vintage GW -
Message 5
Posted by David K (U14115317) on Saturday, 20th August 2011
Not sure I would describe it as 'vintage GW', but it was more interesting & topical.
The Secret Garden was a bit of a revelation for me, I live just a couple of miles from it and have never heard of it......Second thoughts, perhaps that's the whole idea!
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Message 6
Posted by Oldends (U13875463) on Saturday, 20th August 2011
So Monty put his pigs in the orchard to eat the windfalls but was surprised at the havoc they created. But surely he was the presenter of a series about setting up a small holding and therefore should have known exactly what would happen?
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Message 7
Posted by garyhobson (U11055016) on Saturday, 20th August 2011
Island beds, eh, who remembers them. Carol seemed to think that viewers would know what these are all about, but I wonder if most viewers do.
They were invented and promoted by plantsman, garden designer, and steam locomotive collector, Alan Bloom. One of the most useful design inventions of the last century, although I don't recall seeing the idea used very often on garden makeover shows, or even mentioned that often on GW. Alan Bloom also popularised the idea of growing perennials in home gardens, and how useful is that. This was his classic book:
The most memorable image from last night's show - Monty in the rain. Almost a Colin Firth moment for the lady viewers. -
Message 8
Posted by David K (U14115317) on Saturday, 20th August 2011
So Monty put his pigs in the orchard to eat the windfalls but was surprised at the havoc they created. But surely he was the presenter of a series about setting up a small holding and therefore should have known exactly what would happen?Â
The same thought crossed my mind, in fact, I thought he already kept pigs. -
Message 9
Posted by David K (U14115317) on Saturday, 20th August 2011
The most memorable image from last night's show - Monty in the rain. Almost a Colin Firth moment for the lady viewers.Â
Dont' get em started! -
Message 10
Posted by Pumpkin_Patch_Paul (U14565900) on Saturday, 20th August 2011
Garden visits should be in different programme, last tiime I saw Monty that wet was in the last show he did at Berryfields when he was doing tomatoes and became ill.
My thoughts where I hope he doesn't catch a cold or somthing worse else it will be back to square one again.
Personaly I still miss Aly's. -
Message 11
Posted by David K (U14115317) on Saturday, 20th August 2011
last tiime I saw Monty that wet was in the last show he did at Berryfields when he was doing tomatoes and became ill.Â
Not to mention when he fell in the pond! -
Message 12
Posted by Colin (U2252951) on Saturday, 20th August 2011
When you are given pigs for your birthday is this like "Surprise...Oink!" or do you discuss it first? Maybe leave hints like a copy of "Your Piglet" on the coffee table?
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Message 13
Posted by PenylanSue (U13901201) on Saturday, 20th August 2011
Hi David, it's a Yellow Book garden which are often small unknown gardens and I think they open with 3 others in the area on the same day, one of which belongs to Anita Wright a well known flower arranger.
I had earmarked it last year for a trip over to the home county but not got round to it in the end, but now I'll definitely be doing it and probably with more of the garden club in tow.
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Message 14
Posted by Trillium (U2170869) on Saturday, 20th August 2011
I didn't see the programme, but do have thoughts on the subject of island beds.
To me the worst layout for a garden is to have a space (usually a lawn) in the middle and place plants around the outside. All credit to Joe Swift for a talk I once saw him give for his 'school disco' analogy with all those plastic chairs lined up against the walls.
Island beds got a bad name for the 1970's planting that was associated with them - conifers and heathers especially. They badly need re-branding. I prefer to refer to 'central' planting - where the planting moves into the body of the garden instead of being relegated to the edges. -
Message 15
Posted by ArtemisH (U14261033) on Saturday, 20th August 2011
"The most memorable image from last night's show - Monty in the rain. Almost a Colin Firth moment ...."
It hadn't occured to me that Mr Darcy and MD had so much in common!
"Not to mention when he fell in the pond!"
Drat, I missed that!
The gardening stuff was brilliant and the pigs were adorable; but, where's the dog? -
Message 16
Posted by Colin (U2252951) on Sunday, 21st August 2011
>the worst layout for a garden is to have a space (usually a lawn) in the middle and place plants around the outside<
The Beechgrove Garden showed how to design suburban-size gardens of different shapes which had far more interesting layouts. -
Message 17
Posted by Obelixx (U2157162) on Sunday, 21st August 2011
There is a time in most families' lives when a central lawn is the most practical arrangement for a kids' play area and easy mowing when you have to juggle work and kids and garden and a hous eto look after too.. Ourmain garden is like tat but the beds around it are curved and deep and, one day, I'll have an island bed.
I've seen Alan Blooms island beds on TV years ago and loved them. He worked on the principle that perennials grown surrounded by light on all sides grew sturdier and stockier than those in beds borderd by walls and fences and needed little, if any, unsightly staking. It's a theory taken further in Piet Oudolph's prairie planting.
Friends or mine, with a huge 2 acre garden have large island beds all over - one or two winter ones with conifers and heathers as the main plants but mostly mixtures of interesting trees, shrubs, bulbs and perennials. It works brilliantly.
I enjoyed Carol's visit to that garden. Like others, I felt Monty should have known about pigs and orchards. I enjoyed the programme. -
Message 18
Posted by David K (U14115317) on Sunday, 21st August 2011
Hi David, it's a Yellow Book garden which are often small unknown gardens and I think they open with 3 others in the area on the same day, one of which belongs to Anita Wright a well known flower arranger.
I had earmarked it last year for a trip over to the home county but not got round to it in the end, but now I'll definitely be doing it and probably with more of the garden club in tow.
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Many thanks for this, Sue. It's amazing what is right on one’s doorstep without us knowing it....I've never heard talk of it locally. -
Message 19
Posted by Trillium (U2170869) on Sunday, 21st August 2011
Ob - you are absolutely right about perennials growing better in full light. I am frequently asked why we rarely stake anything, and part of the answer is definitely because they aren't leaning away from a fence/hedge.- they grow straighter and shorter out in the open.
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Message 20
Posted by the cycling gardener (U2350416) on Monday, 22nd August 2011
Island beds, eh, who remembers them. Carol seemed to think that viewers would know what these are all about, but I wonder if most viewers do.
They were invented and promoted by plantsman, garden designer, and steam locomotive collector, Alan Bloom. One of the most useful design inventions of the last century, although I don't recall seeing the idea used very often on garden makeover shows, or even mentioned that often on GW.Â
Giving Alan Bloom the credit for inventing island beds is very generous but I agree he certainly promoted them and gave them street cred. Gertrude Jekyll used single subject islands on occasions. My grandfather was creating them in the 1930's and 40's in private gardens. Very useful they are too. I use them at times for mixed perennial and grass plantings in large gardens to blend them into their arable farming environment. The planting design needs careful consideration though as they are being viewed from so many different angles.
To me the worst layout for a garden is to have a space (usually a lawn) in the middle and place plants around the outside.Â
Yes Trillium. My heart sinks when I visit a garden to chat through the design brief where I learn the 'lawn' has to be retained to allow for football etc. and the plants need to be tough enough to withstand being smashed by footballs - only slightly less bothersome than having to disguise a bright red and blue monstruous trampoline with black netting surrounding it in a 70ft x 30ft garden. We don't see many of those at Chelsea do we?
Again, a really good programme. -
Message 21
Posted by Obelixx (U2157162) on Monday, 22nd August 2011
CG - You're absolutely right about the history of island beds and grass and football and trampolines too. Possum has one 3.6m wide cos she's a big tall girl but she's old enough for no safety net thank goodness so I can lean it out of site against a back wall when it's not in use which is most of the time now. There's also a collapsible swimming pool of similar dimensions but fortunately the last two summers haven't been hot enough in school holidays to get that out so my grass has been safe - and the water bill.
I look forward to getting rid of both in the fullness of time and maybe planting a gazebo for climbers in a lovely island bed one day and then there's a courtyard garden to come when the barn gets converted to living space. Lots of lovely dreams and plans to reduce grass.
We could do with an occasional courtyard feature on GW. Must be lots of people with small back, front or side gardens which lend themselves to this kind of design. -
Message 22
Posted by Colin (U2252951) on Monday, 22nd August 2011
>We could do with an occasional courtyard feature on GW<
I did my back-garden over the Easter weekend, It's come on well, even if I say so myself
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Message 23
Posted by Colin (U2252951) on Monday, 22nd August 2011
And this is the front garden, work-in-progress regarding planting
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Message 24
Posted by kate1123 (U14824475) on Monday, 22nd August 2011
Very impressive Colin.
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Message 25
Posted by Trillium (U2170869) on Monday, 22nd August 2011
No question that there's a time in every family's life for a keepy-uppy lawn and a trampoline. Been there, done that (not the trampoline as it happens, but a lawn space for the twice-yearly bouncy castle hire
I do miss practising my back somersaults on it! -
Message 26
Posted by the cycling gardener (U2350416) on Tuesday, 23rd August 2011
Colin - a massive improvement. Excellent and achieveable over a bank holiday weekend. This is what garden makeovers should be about . Not the tacky Domoney style nonsense on Garden ER.
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Message 27
Posted by Obelixx (U2157162) on Tuesday, 23rd August 2011
Yes. It looks personal and thoughtful and should mature well. A good makeover.
I really didn't get this week's Garden ER. Why squeeze the table and chairs into her secluded, romantic sunbathing area whilst leaving a vast expanse of unfurnished pavers in the BBQ/eating area?
I've watched GW again - on my own with no distractions - and still enjoyed it. I hope we get to see those colchicums in bloom. I wonder if Monty knows about the concept of waterproof clothing for gardening. -
Message 28
Posted by Bluedoyenne (U2341157) on Tuesday, 23rd August 2011
Nooo, noooo, noooo ....... please don't spoil the possibility of another Colin Firth-type moment
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Message 29
Posted by julieowl (U14151251) on Friday, 26th August 2011
I only caught the last 15 minutes of this programme, but am so glad I did. We saw Joe's visit to Mark Hall gardens and decided to go this week. It was absolutely beautiful and our 2 children (7yrs and 4yrs) loved playing in the walled gardens, something in each 'room' to keep them interested and lots to explore. At only £8 for a family we'll definitely be going back. They enjoyed it almost as much as Legoland!
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