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Gardener's World 26th August
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Message 1.Ìý
Posted by Lowena (U14575314) on Friday, 26th August 2011
Well......what did we all think?
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Message 2
Posted by Colin (U2252951) on Friday, 26th August 2011
I'm thinking there's going to be too much veg.
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Message 3
Posted by Stressed out (U11163734) on Friday, 26th August 2011
I think that we are not allowed to express our thoughts
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Message 4
Posted by nooj (U13729031) on Friday, 26th August 2011
I thought it was wonderful of course......
is this a time warp?
I'll just get my Red Dwarf oufit on...
Warp speed! -
Message 5
Posted by Ariadne Knickerbocker (U4534559) on Friday, 26th August 2011
Did I just hear MD call his dog Nigel!?
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Message 6
Posted by Stressed out (U11163734) on Friday, 26th August 2011
After a better prog last week - this week was a bit on a nooj event
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Message 7
Posted by sunnyD (U10341818) on Friday, 26th August 2011
I haven't watched it for weeks and tonight I turned over when someone recommended planting impatiens tinctoria which seems to be very similar to the highly invasive himalayan balsam which has polluted all of our waterways. Please substitute Monty Don as i cannot stand his errroneous advice and awful presenting style.. His garden is far from appealing
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Message 8
Posted by David K (U14115317) on Friday, 26th August 2011
I gave it a miss!
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Message 9
Posted by PenylanSue (U13901201) on Friday, 26th August 2011
Impatiens tinctoria is not the invasive Himalayan Balsam.
There are many species of Impatiens.
It is much the same way as we grow lots of Polyganatum species (Persicaria) but only one is Japanese Knotweed.
The advice is not therefore erroneous.
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Message 10
Posted by Colin (U2252951) on Friday, 26th August 2011
There was too much veg.
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Message 11
Posted by Stressed out (U11163734) on Friday, 26th August 2011
Colin: There was too much veg.Ìý
But I only saw one turnip?
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Message 12
Posted by Bluedoyenne (U2341157) on Friday, 26th August 2011
Do you think you are better placed horticulturally andcould do better from your garden RowanCottage?
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Message 13
Posted by Lowena (U14575314) on Saturday, 27th August 2011
Colin: There was too much veg.Ìý
But I only saw one turnip?
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I haven't actually watched it yet - will be back when I have
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Message 14
Posted by Ken Smart (U1158196) on Saturday, 27th August 2011
Once again I enjoyed the segment from MD's garden, but get the feeling that there is a problem padding out the programme to 30 mins. I enjoyed the Welsh allotment visit, but still insist that Carol Klein is not used to best advantage in this way. Any number of people could perform this role. The other 'visit' was by a tree-hugger who was a new face for me. I knew as soon as his segment opened with him peddling his bike, just what lay ahead. It didn't take long for the 'passionate' word to be introduced, emphasised by kissing a tree (prat). Passion is usually enforced by distracting hand/arm flapping, and this chap was no exception. I have no doubt at all that he knows his stuff, and wonder why these people just can't content themselves by telling us about their subject without the theatricals. I long for a return to the days when men once again act like men.
It will be interesting to see what subtle changes lie ahead for next year's GW, as it does look as if they don't quite know yet what is the best formula for the programme. The Beechgrove don't have this problem. -
Message 15
Posted by Janice Davies (U5366723) on Saturday, 27th August 2011
I enjoyed the item on the welsh allotments. I wonder if somebody can tell me who was playing that delightful guitar music whilst we were looking at the allotments. ? I loved it. On a darker note what on earth is happening to everyones buzy lizzies? All of mine have died and that of my neighbours too, I have heard that there is a ghastly fungus going around ..
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Message 16
Posted by Obelixx (U2157162) on Saturday, 27th August 2011
Hello Ken. Tree hugger Tom is best known as a young plant hunter who went off to South America and ended up being kidnapped by rebels in panama and held captive for months. He's the one who did the "world garden of plants" as part of plans to save his country estate -
It was good to see such a well run set of allotments witha strong community feel but a shame so little time was given to tips on plants and techniques. As you say, Carol was wasted but it could have been Joe so let'sbe thankful for small mercies.
As for Monty - I do enjoy the way he describes things and the gentle rhythm of his garden and gardening but the whole programme seems to lack structure and purpose and could cover so much more with a bit of planning and also cutting out the time wasting shots. I hope they remember to show u how projects like the damp meadow turn out.
I never feel pressured or hectored while watching Beechgrove but they pack in so much more info and always report back on projects and trials, no matter how good or bad the results. -
Message 17
Posted by Pumpkin_Patch_Paul (U14565900) on Saturday, 27th August 2011
Agree with Ken, thought Monty was excellent but instead of going over to the bloke on the bike (Ö÷²¥´óÐã 4 for that) we should have gone over to Carole in another part of the garden which would have happend if still at Berryfield or Greenacres,nice to see real people on it as well and would have liked to have seen more of them.
PPP -
Message 18
Posted by Pumpkin_Patch_Paul (U14565900) on Saturday, 27th August 2011
Did I just hear MD call his dog Nigel!?
Ìý That's what I thought he said, in the world I live in that seems very odd.
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Message 19
Posted by nooj (U13729031) on Saturday, 27th August 2011
Why?
Bonzo and Tiddles are far stranger mames than Nigel
You should always be careful when naming a pet - you will regret being out in the dark calling Fuffybottom to come back to you. -
Message 20
Posted by Stressed out (U11163734) on Saturday, 27th August 2011
In reply to Bluedoyenne:
Do you think you are better placed horticulturally andcould do better from your garden RowanCottage?Ìý
Possibly and possibly
Once I have finished rebuilding the nursery and the display gardens -
Message 21
Posted by Bluedoyenne (U2341157) on Saturday, 27th August 2011
I will be interested to see how Monty's water meadow turns out. It must be lovely having your own private little cabin in such a naturalistic setting removed from the rest of the garden and house. Much as I appreciate MD, I was a bit disappointed that he (or the producers) felt the need for the inside shot of the cabin to be staged by the props department (the quill in the old-fashioned mug, the skull, the old typewriter ... ). Not necessary IMO in a gardening programme, no matter how much I like MD and his garden.
The Welsh allotments are great - horticulturally thriving and the group looked very welcoming too. I agree with other posters on Carole's role in this segment. Her talents were wasted. She is such a huge asset to the programme (or any gardening programme) when she is doing what she is brilliant at - propagating plants and planting.
I had seen Tom Hart Dyke when he did his first programme on his world garden. I'm afraid I didn't think much of it - the idea of beds in the shape of the different continents to house the relevant plants did nothing for me. He is a plant hunter in the vein of those intrepids of the Victorian era - and went all over the globe in this role. The tree he was hugging - even on the television - looked like an incredibly beautiful specimen and I can empathise with THD wanting to touch it. According to Wiki, he studied tree surgery and forestry. I was surprised to see him on the programme but it's no bad thing introducing new people if the person in question 'knows his stuff' which I think THD does. -
Message 22
Posted by Bluedoyenne (U2341157) on Saturday, 27th August 2011
"In reply to Bluedoyenne:
Do you think you are better placed horticulturally andcould do better from your garden RowanCottage?
Possibly and possibly
Once I have finished rebuilding the nursery and the display gardens"
I thought so. -
Message 23
Posted by garyhobson (U11055016) on Saturday, 27th August 2011
FYI there is a John Lennon poem titled 'Good Dog Nigel'.
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Message 24
Posted by Lowena (U14575314) on Saturday, 27th August 2011
Too much veg, too much time spent on visits
Enjoyed the potting on,and the plug planting
Didn't feel I'd learned anything - although I was glad of the reminder to cut back my thyme. Wish more was happening in the garden, and wish we could sometimes see a bit of colour.
Every week he ends by saying "I have a lot to be getting on with" Why aren't we ever told what, why don't we ever see him doing it, or the results of what he has done in the last week??
I want to see half hours worth of gardening, then I wouldn't mind if a part of it was veg gardening.
Carol could show us what she's doing in her garden now she is dismantling the nursery and redoing bits of the main garden......oh no, wait.........that's to be a new set of programmes - not that I begrudge her that, I just want practicality in more than bite sized pieces. -
Message 25
Posted by Colin (U2252951) on Saturday, 27th August 2011
One of the, thankfully rare, GW when I can honestly so there was nothing 'I could take away and use in my own garden' to use their own cliche.
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Message 26
Posted by nooj (U13729031) on Saturday, 27th August 2011
The real trouble is that half an hour - which keeps getting bumped off, is never going to satisfy us.
We need more programming time! -
Message 27
Posted by Bluedoyenne (U2341157) on Saturday, 27th August 2011
The real trouble IMO is that the half hour format is so fractured with visits all over the place that the end result is little or no real gardening.
Half an hour of the presenter WORKING IN HIS/HER GARDEN would be a step in the right direction.
Why is it that the only person who has been allowed this format (100% working in their own garden for the entire 30 minutes) is the wonderful Carole Klein?
Why can't we have the same format with MD? -
Message 28
Posted by everhopeful (U11289037) on Saturday, 27th August 2011
Once again I enjoyed the segment from MD's garden, but get the feeling that there is a problem padding out the programme to 30 mins. I enjoyed the Welsh allotment visit, but still insist that Carol Klein is not used to best advantage in this way. Any number of people could perform this role. The other 'visit' was by a tree-hugger who was a new face for me. I knew as soon as his segment opened with him peddling his bike, just what lay ahead. It didn't take long for the 'passionate' word to be introduced, emphasised by kissing a tree (prat). Passion is usually enforced by distracting hand/arm flapping, and this chap was no exception. I have no doubt at all that he knows his stuff, and wonder why these people just can't content themselves by telling us about their subject without the theatricals. I long for a return to the days when men once again act like men.
It will be interesting to see what subtle changes lie ahead for next year's GW, as it does look as if they don't quite know yet what is the best formula for the programme. The Beechgrove don't have this problem. Ìý Wasnt Tom Hart Dyke held hostage for a long time in some far off place. I think I saw him at Chelsea talking about it. He said he thought he was released as he had bored the kidnappers to death by talking about orchids. Am I correct. Also is he related to Miranda.
I thought the program a bit samish(sp) on Friday nothing to bother keeping the prog for future reference.
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Message 29
Posted by Lokelani (U8896212) on Saturday, 27th August 2011
I can't imagine anyone not liking MD, but I couldn't stand the awkward series with Toby B in. So that shows how different we all are!
I think Monty's garden is amazing & I love his just get on with it, no nonsense approach to it all.
Of course there's never going to be what we all want to watch in every episode. After all, we all like different parts of gardening & are at different levels skills & experience wise. I tend to always find these ones enjoyable though. -
Message 30
Posted by Obelixx (U2157162) on Saturday, 27th August 2011
EH - see message 16.
Lokelani - lots of us feel the same about the TB series of GW. There are MD detractors but I think he does OK and communicates well. he doesn't half give that lawn mower some grief though.
The more I think about Monty's shed, the dafter it seems. Given all the writing he does he must surely be au fait with modern technology and the joys of PCs and backups. I can't imagine he gets much time to sit and bash away at an analog typewriter and it looked bare and unheated too and probably unlit.
It looked more like a neglected shed in a neglected area of the garden so I do hope we get to see how it grows as I could do a damp meadow quite easily here - except this year which has been a drought from mid March to last Monday. -
Message 31
Posted by Stressed out (U11163734) on Saturday, 27th August 2011
Bluedoyenne:
I thought so.Ìý
You think, now there's a novelty -
Message 32
Posted by nooj (U13729031) on Saturday, 27th August 2011
Out of order RC?
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Message 33
Posted by Stressed out (U11163734) on Saturday, 27th August 2011
Nooj
Why ask the question if you don't like the answer
It was an exceptionally poor GW - however you flower it up -
Message 34
Posted by Colin (U2252951) on Saturday, 27th August 2011
>I can't imagine he gets much time to sit and bash away at an analog typewriter<
Yep. That was laughably improbably, unless the Donmeister has pretensions of following in the steps of Hemmingway and there's one great unpublished novel in him.
N.B. Whatever happened to the plans to introduce the real gardener at Longmeadow and Mrs Donster? -
Message 35
Posted by David K (U14115317) on Saturday, 27th August 2011
>I can't imagine he gets much time to sit and bash away at an analog typewriter<
Yep. That was laughably improbably, unless the Donmeister has pretensions of following in the steps of Hemmingway and there's one great unpublished novel in him.
N.B. Whatever happened to the plans to introduce the real gardener at Longmeadow and Mrs Donster?Ìý
As I've said here many times, 'one day the penny will drop'. -
Message 36
Posted by Stressed out (U11163734) on Saturday, 27th August 2011
Colin:
>I can't imagine he gets much time to sit and bash away at an analog typewriter<
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Actually it was the skull on the desk that took my eye - Monty Bard
Alas poor Nigel I knew him well....................... -
Message 37
Posted by Lowena (U14575314) on Sunday, 28th August 2011
A whole programme devoted to gardening tasks in one garden would be my ideal scenario.I don't care what tasks and whose garden. -
Message 38
Posted by ladynovicegardener (U5368058) on Sunday, 28th August 2011
Honestly there was nothing to keep me interested at all. The shed set up with the quill and old type writer looked so contrived. The whole show is so fragmented. I agree with Lowena, show us something we can all be getting on with.
Yes everhopefull I saw that episode of the chelsea show and I think that was the same person. Amazing story whoever it was.
It will be interesting to see how those plug plants get on when they've not even been watered in as far as I could see, but I must admit my mind did wander a little in boredom so I might have missed MD saying it. -
Message 39
Posted by PenylanSue (U13901201) on Sunday, 28th August 2011
Obelix, I had to laugh at your description of a portable typewriter. I used to work for an office equipment company and serviced them and I happen to know that people do still use them in this day and age.
Quite why anybody would wish to though I suppose with the portability of laptops and the ease with which you can correct spelling mistakes and typing errors etc, but a portable doesn't need to have its battery charged and can sit in the shed or anywhere else for that matter unused for ages and still work. I imagine that is why Monty still has one in his shed.
I've got some in the loft and they still work.
Sue -
Message 40
Posted by Obelixx (U2157162) on Sunday, 28th August 2011
I think the give away was that there was no sign of any paper and I can't see him doing his articles and books with carbon copies and all, can you? I sew quite a bit and have some old hand turned machines and a treddle and which I used to have to "decorate" my sewing room but in this house that's in the attic so they're in boxes, even though they still work. The shed stuff looked contrived.
It might have been better if he'd done a piece on how to decorate the exterior with paint or plants or screening to make it more of a feature or disguise its presence and minimise its impact in a garden - given that so many people's gardens have prominent/boring/badly sited sheds to store their tools and junk.
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