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GW 07/10/2011
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Message 1.Ìý
Posted by TomBradbury (U3349234) on Saturday, 8th October 2011
A TV show about a couple of gardens (primarily MD's). Not much (if at all) about gardening. Obviously end of the season - producer seems to be now gone on holiday no doubt patting themselves on the back for a job well done (badly) and taken what limited ideas they have for the show with them.
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Message 2
Posted by Ken Smart (U1158196) on Saturday, 8th October 2011
I actually enjoyed last night's programme, Tim. I thought there were heaps of tips for viewers from both Monty and Carol. It was all the better for a less cluttered timetable, and the visit to the NI garden was also very interesting. Just illustrates once again how difficult it must be for the producers to provide a programme that will suit everyone. What a difference it makes though, when there is no idiotic camerawork spoiling items.
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Message 3
Posted by Colin (U2252951) on Saturday, 8th October 2011
Why did the Donmeister start stacking apples on the top rack? Surely it would be more sensible to start at the lowest shelf and built up the stack?
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Message 4
Posted by nooj (U13729031) on Saturday, 8th October 2011
I imagine so the camera could see easily?
Very timely for me because I am inundated with apples
I'm cooking and freezing the bruised ones, but will have to store some.
I might even buy a quince tree
I enjoyed it a lot, but missed Nigel -
Message 5
Posted by Palaisglide (U3102587) on Saturday, 8th October 2011
Why did the Donmeister start stacking apples on the top rack? Surely it would be more sensible to start at the lowest shelf and built up the stack?Ìý That is exactly how I would have done it, why break your back bending when you can fill at your own level then stack each tray aside?
A good easy programme and informing to people who thought they could preserve windfalls, we were taught from a tender age how to pick fruit for storage as it was all we had in winter, no flying fruit from around the world back then.
I loved quince jam, a long time since I had any and you will not find it in Tospots or Morereasons more is the pity.
Yes the producers should pat themselves on the back.
Frank. -
Message 6
Posted by thedogcody (U14659366) on Saturday, 8th October 2011
A TV show about a couple of gardens (primarily MD's). Not much (if at all) about gardening. Obviously end of the season - producer seems to be now gone on holiday no doubt patting themselves on the back for a job well done (badly) and taken what limited ideas they have for the show with them.
Ìý "Not much about gardening"-you had harvesting and storing apples, a bit about quinces dividing perennials,planting wallflowers a visit to a garden planting, garlic, an inquest on grafted tomatoes all in 30 minutes-all relevant to the time of year-as this is the harvest season what exactly where you expecting-it is easy to criticise a programme- not so easy to see the good things? -
Message 7
Posted by Lowena (U14575314) on Saturday, 8th October 2011
I enjoyed this weeks programme
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Message 8
Posted by Obelixx (U2157162) on Saturday, 8th October 2011
I have a couple of those exact trays which I use for drying onions nad later for storing pumpkins. Even with just apples they'd be heavy to move when filled and you'd risk the fruits rolling into each other so i'd definitely stack from the bottom up.
It was a nice enough programme but not informative. Not so much relaxed as almost catatonic - 8 minutes to show him harvesting quinces and local heritage apples?? Carol was good but they spent 6 minutes on dividing two plants and I wonder if leaving those shoots poking out after replanting is a good idea given the winter we had last year. Better to give them a bit of protection I would have thought, even just with leaf mould or garden compost.
I liked the Irish garden and hope we'll get to see the newly revamped borders on a return visit. I don't see why the berberis hedges are considered short lived. there are some in town, separating the road from the path, that have been there since before we arrived here 20 years ago. Regular trimming keeps them rejuvenated. -
Message 9
Posted by Pumpkin_Patch_Paul (U14565900) on Saturday, 8th October 2011
I think the producers should realize it'sthe Autumn season and not the silly season......Anyway enough of Autumn watch.
I realy enjoyed last night's GW offering and that included the garden visit but I wonder if having nothing but total rubbish dished up for the last two episodes coloured my judgement,anyway 8/10 for me.
If you think GW as gone downhill you should have caught AW to see how bad things could be.. -
Message 10
Posted by marcia (U14085462) on Saturday, 8th October 2011
I enjoyed the prog last night too. Something for everyone I thought.
Treat it a bit like a buffet; take from it what you want and leave the rest for others.
There are always some features in the programme that are either not my taste, I don't want or can't have in my garden. I still enjoy watching and learning though.
Stunning autumnal view across the lake in N Ireland garden. Wish we had smellavision. -
Message 11
Posted by Paul N (U6451125) on Sunday, 9th October 2011
I agree 100%, Marcia.
My late father used to buy Cox's Orange Pippin apples in the autumn, wrap each one in tissue paper and store together in a cardboard box until Christmas when the flavour had increased ten fold. Almost syrupy. -
Message 12
Posted by Pumpkin_Patch_Paul (U14565900) on Sunday, 9th October 2011
And don't they smell lovely as well,my Dad also use to have a box of pippins in for every Christmas .
I tried to see if GW was getting a later showing on one of the other Ö÷²¥´óÐã regions but no go,my PVR dumped mine and while there are lots of repeats of repeats about there is none for GW....Very odd but may change because of the cuts they have to show more repeats on Ö÷²¥´óÐã2 Daytime so who knows....
And no I don't have access to I Player .
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Message 13
Posted by daydaisy (U14260695) on Sunday, 9th October 2011
I really enjoyed the programme too Lowena. I thought it was seasonal and good to watch.
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Message 14
Posted by Caradonna (U14447374) on Sunday, 9th October 2011
I have a weevil question. There was a very brief segment where MD emptied a pot and we saw some grubs. Not my fave subject but I noticed them wiggling along on their backs which is what I thought rosechafer grubs do.
Can any one confirm they were vine weevil grubs and explain the difference?
It shows the need, IMHO, for a regular detailed slot on pests and diseases, ideally presented by Pippa,with organic and non organic solutions. -
Message 15
Posted by PenylanSue (U13901201) on Sunday, 9th October 2011
I can't believe you Tim saying there was nothing about gardening. this week's programme was full of it. I think Dogcody listed it all, so I won't.
Nor could I believe Colin's comment about how Monty stacked the apples. It was obviously easier to film them being stacked at the top and then as Frank said, easier on the back and so easy to move later. The cameraman would give him a lift of course!
Loved the Irish garden.
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Message 16
Posted by David K (U14115317) on Monday, 10th October 2011
I have to say that I have been critical of MD's advice since the beginning of this series. However, to criticise his input in this particularly episode is being critical for the sake of it.
The content was interesting, accurate and covered quite a lot in 30mins -
Message 17
Posted by Trillium (U2170869) on Monday, 10th October 2011
Caradonna, re your question about grubs, the following may help.
I didn't see the programme, but would expect that the grubs were vine weevils. Now is when they are active, hatching out in the soil in plant pots and under vulnerable plants. They eat the roots underground and the first you know is that the top of the plant just falls off. They are quite distinctive, with creamy white bodies and orange heads. Rose chafers are brownish all over, with brown heads.
There are chemical controls for vine weevil, using the active ingredient imidacloprid - there are several products on the market which contain it. These enter the plant tissue and kill insects that eat it. But the chemical is also harmful to beneficial insects which drink the nectar, and leaf cutter bees, so I avoid it if possible.
However, the alternative, a biological control is excellent and the temperature is perfect for applying it now (consistently above 5C). The control is a nematode known as Nemasys L which swims through soil, enters the larvae's body and destroys it. It's proved very effective for me on a nursery scale. We apply it twice a year. Tip - don't water in using a watering can with a rose on as it will clog up. -
Message 18
Posted by Caradonna (U14447374) on Monday, 10th October 2011
Thank you for taking the time to answer Trillium but I still have doubts!
I know I definitely have cockchafer grubs as I see the adults and the grubs are huge. I thought I had them in my pots and other containers until I read a thread on the clinic which discussed the difference between cockchafer grubs and rosechafer grubs, the main one being the wiggle on the back thing.
I've just found this video of rosechafer grubs which to me look like what I've got and what MD showed. They are not brown all over. (Don't look anybody if you are squeamish!)
I have never seen a vine weevil adult, I know they come out at night and I haven't had any plants nibbled. I am on constant grub alert, I can usually tell pots which have been infected as the compost is loose and not compacted.
My method of disposal is to throw them to the neighbour's chooks who love them! -
Message 19
Posted by Palaisglide (U3102587) on Monday, 10th October 2011
Caradonna, I saw the programme and Carol showed us Vine weevils, I also know them as most of my stuff is now in pots of all sizes much easier for a pensioner to handle, I deal with them as Trillium says and she will have plenty of experience running a Nursery.
With any of those problems it is better to take precautions early rather than be too late, as soon as you see the plants sagging do what is needed.
Frank -
Message 20
Posted by AngelRosie (U14845859) on Monday, 10th October 2011
I was delighted to see Mount Stewart's beautiful gardens in this weeks show, it's such a wonderful place!
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Message 21
Posted by Trillium (U2170869) on Monday, 10th October 2011
Hi Caradonna,
Just on basis of probability, your grubs aren't likely to be rose chafers because they are quite uncommon. Cockchafers are abut 3/4 times the size of a vine weevil grub and much fatter.
If you think your grubs are rosechafers, best not to feed them to the chickens - several websites suggest that they are poisonous to birds:
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Message 22
Posted by monicaddavis (U14410596) on Monday, 10th October 2011
A TV show about a couple of gardens (primarily MD's). Not much (if at all) about gardening. Obviously end of the season - producer seems to be now gone on holiday no doubt patting themselves on the back for a job well done (badly) and taken what limited ideas they have for the show with them.
Ìý I think that Monty has at last got GW to the level it used to be, unhurried, informative especially for people who have not been gardening for long. So I say well done at last I feel we can congratulate -
Message 23
Posted by Caradonna (U14447374) on Monday, 10th October 2011
I am going to sound contrary but I do get lots of rosechafers and they don't look like the ones in your link either. Mine are the metallic blue/green sort:
I may be in denial about having vine weevils but this RHS link states that the grubs are legless. Mine definitely have legs and I'm sure the ones shown on GW did too which was another reason I questioned the info given.
It does show the need for a knowledgeable pesty person on the programme to help with identification. Still, I hope this discussion will help others with vine weevil.
PS another reason I'm in stubborn denial is because I have so many healthy Heucheras. -
Message 24
Posted by Palaisglide (U3102587) on Monday, 10th October 2011
That is OK Caradonna, this is not a religion we are not trying to make you believe and it is good to question.
My many years of gardenening experience from being a lad who's father was a superb gardener I saw Carol turn out Vine weevils from her pot, now that is fact.
As stated elswhere what you think they are would be much bigger also quite rare you are still allowed to question that though, I believe my own eye's which are very good for my age.
I have had plenty of the things and even with treatment you will find the odd one on turning a pot out, I never take it for granted there are none when potting on so check.
Frank. -
Message 25
Posted by Caradonna (U14447374) on Tuesday, 11th October 2011
As stated elswhere what you think they are would be much bigger also quite rare you are still allowed to question that though, I believe my own eye's which are very good for my age.Ìý
From the rose chafer link Trillium posted :
"The rose chafer, Macrodactylus subspinosus, is commonly found in many areas of Minnesota, particularly areas with sandy soil. It is a pest on many different types of flowers, fruits, trees and shrubs."
The one I do have (nothing wrong with my eyes either) is a different beastie altogether:
"Cetonia aurata is not to be confused with the NORTH AMERICAN rose chafer, Macrodactylus subspinosus." (my capitals)
I have seen the - distinctive - adults, I have seen the big grubs (with legs). Maybe you and Trillium don't get them in your gardens but I do! As the Wiki link also states:
"Rose chafers are found over southern and central Europe and the southern part of the UK where they seem to be sometimes very localized." -
Message 26
Posted by Ariadne Knickerbocker (U4534559) on Tuesday, 11th October 2011
I have to say that having just watched GW on the Iplayer (round about 27 mins in onwards) those didn't look like vine weevils to me and I have been disposing of vine weevils every year for the past 12 years. These looked bigger, slightly translucent (rather than the solid creaminess of the vine weevil maggot) and with a fine hair on parts of them. So unless they are a different type of vine weevil to the ones I get in the South of England they are not, in fact, vine weevil.
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Message 27
Posted by Ariadne Knickerbocker (U4534559) on Tuesday, 11th October 2011
PS. Having not watched the entire programme I don't know whether Carol Klein also tipped bugs out of a pot as suggested by a poster above or whether they are just confused. Having googled Rose chafer grubs I believe these are definitely what Monty tipped out.
Esme -
Message 28
Posted by Obelixx (U2157162) on Tuesday, 11th October 2011
I am fortunate enough, so far, never to have met either bug or grub in person though I do have some Provado on standby just in case cos I haven't found a source for nematodes here.
I did wonder though as I'd always been led to believe vine weevils are curlier than those Monty showed.
I wondered if such nasties had finally found me when all the wee violas I planted in window boxes and front door tubs wimped and died but no, it seems they just cooked in the heatwave of the previous weekend. That'll teach me to get ahead with my winter plantings! -
Message 29
Posted by thedogcody (U14659366) on Tuesday, 11th October 2011
In the interest of research I revisted GW on i-player and then watched the you-tube video and have come to the rather unscientific conclusion that the maggots on GW were far too active for vine -weevils-I tipped some out the other idea before dispatching them to the chickens and they hardly moved, just curled round, in my experience of the blighter I dont recall seeing them move at such a pace as shown on friday-from this I can only conclude that Monty used stunt doubles for tv purposes- so Carodona may well be right in insisting they were chafers
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Message 30
Posted by Ariadne Knickerbocker (U4534559) on Tuesday, 11th October 2011
"Stunt doubles!" Ha ha!
Perhaps they couldn't find any vine weevils and thought they could fob us off with the chafers. Actually as a strategy that probably worked quite well as it appears a few posters were fooled until Caradonna bought the subject up. Just goes to show that even with years of experience some people should still question their beliefs before making categoric statements. -
Message 31
Posted by Caradonna (U14447374) on Tuesday, 11th October 2011
Stunt doublesÌý
Or mutant weevils...be very afraid! -
Message 32
Posted by Trillium (U2170869) on Tuesday, 11th October 2011
Well - I don't know what Monty or Carol tipped out. But these are what I occasionally find. And these are definitely vine weevils:
Or 'bind weasels' as a chap who works here calls them. May not get the name right, but he can spot the symptoms better than anyone, and that's what counts. -
Message 33
Posted by Caradonna (U14447374) on Tuesday, 11th October 2011
Legless!
Well, I'm verging on it but won't say any more for the time being. -
Message 34
Posted by Trillium (U2170869) on Tuesday, 11th October 2011
I've had a look at the video myself now and am confident that they are vine weevils. The first one, filmed from a normal viewing distance against the context and scale of a jamjar was easiest to confirm. Once they got into very close up, filming it became harder because they look bigger and reveal features which the normal naked eye doesn't really see. They were mature ones, close to the point of pupating. They will move like that if it's warm and they are prodded, though it is atypical behaviour which doesn't help with ID.
Did you notice Monty tipping the watering can back to clear the clogging rose each time? Been there, done that, is a pain in the proverbial for 10,000 plants. I now water the nematodes in roseless. -
Message 35
Posted by Ariadne Knickerbocker (U4534559) on Tuesday, 11th October 2011
If you google rose chafer grubs and then look at images you will notice that they look almost identical to the vine weevil grubs except for the fact they have legs.
Then if you freeze the iplayer on the frame when Monty has the grubs in the palm of his hand you should be able to see that these grubs have legs.
Vine weevil grubs don't have legs and don't move in quite that manner. They are also not as big or plump as the ones Monty had. -
Message 36
Posted by thedogcody (U14659366) on Tuesday, 11th October 2011
This is turning into weevilgate-I will alert ofcom.............
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Message 37
Posted by roymave (U14998545) on Sunday, 30th October 2011
I couldn't agree more; I am sure the Ö÷²¥´óÐã won't miss me one little bit, but likewise; if next year is going to be the same, as was said on Friday; I won't miss watching that each week.
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