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Message 1.Â
Posted by DaveNH (U15006677) on Monday, 17th October 2011
I was disappointed last Friday to hear Monty mispronounce 'anemone' as
'anenome'. It is a common mistake but I thought Monty would have known better! -
Message 2
Posted by Ken Smart (U1158196) on Monday, 17th October 2011
I'm certain your correct, Dave. However, it's one of those words that catch out so many people. My wife can not get her tongue around it - to the extent that we agree just to refer to them as 'nems'. I'm sure Monty Don knows very well what the proper pronunciation is, and will get it right 99 times out of a 100 - but he just had to have his little stumble on camera. I've no doubt that Monty knows how to spell 'pronunciation', but would just let a friend's little error pass without comment.
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Message 3
Posted by Rainjustlearning (U12861332) on Monday, 17th October 2011
That's not bad going, your first post and you criticise a pronunciation, we are all entitled to make mistakes.
Rain -
Message 4
Posted by nooj (U13729031) on Monday, 17th October 2011
Perhaps we should have a system of punishments.
I wonder how many lashes I would get for saying anenome? -
Message 5
Posted by thedogcody (U14659366) on Monday, 17th October 2011
I cant pronounce mesembryanthemum-can anybody ?
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Message 6
Posted by Palaisglide (U3102587) on Monday, 17th October 2011
I usually mispronounce Aegopodium (bishops weed or ground elder) it normally comes from my lips sounding like very bad language.
Funny though I can pronounce pronunciation quite easily, "oh" and spell it as well.
Frank. -
Message 7
Posted by Paul N (U6451125) on Tuesday, 18th October 2011
Oh for goodness sake, what is it with some people?
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Message 8
Posted by David K (U14115317) on Tuesday, 18th October 2011
" Pronuciation"/pronunciation...quite a gaff for such a thread title.
To post such messages, it pays to watch yours peas & queues.
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Message 9
Posted by Obelixx (U2157162) on Tuesday, 18th October 2011
As someone who regularly makes typos when posting I'm not about to criticise
anyone else's typing though a little attention to detail when picking on someone else's failings would seem to be a minimum requirement before posting.
Nor do I think imperfect pronunciation is a barrier to communication. As long as the presenter is not shouting, or patronising or speaking in impenetrable accents, regional variations and personal quirks are part of life's rich tapestry.
As for planting those anemones the way Monty suggested, I can only think he doesn't have a resident country rodent population as they'd get the lot here. I hope he puts spares in pots as backups to plant out in the gaps I fear are inevitable. -
Message 10
Posted by Ariadne Knickerbocker (U4534559) on Tuesday, 18th October 2011
I am astonished the OP can be bothered to complain about such a minor issue as Monty's pronunciation of anemone when surely the major issue is that Monty can't tell a weevil from a chafer.
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Message 11
Posted by Satin (U14303179) on Tuesday, 18th October 2011
I recall when I asked my mun for some of her Japanese anemones for my garden. I got the pronunciation rather wrong and it sounded more like Japanese enemies. Much giggling occured from her and my hubby.
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Message 12
Posted by thedogcody (U14659366) on Tuesday, 18th October 2011
Esmerelda you are really going to have to get over weevilgate-time to move on or do you require counselling?
We are all here for you if needed -
Message 13
Posted by Ariadne Knickerbocker (U4534559) on Tuesday, 18th October 2011
I will get over weevilgate when DK gets over the sweetpea saga and not a moment before! Get ready for years of it been bought up at every conceivable opportunity
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Message 14
Posted by Obelixx (U2157162) on Tuesday, 18th October 2011
You beat me to it EG.
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Message 15
Posted by Palaisglide (U3102587) on Tuesday, 18th October 2011
Satin, you did not get it wrong those Japanese Anemone are the enemy.
I have a long row of them in a rocky gravel section on my drive, they crept under the fence from next door, now they have none and I have what is basically a weed that takes some getting rid of.
In full bloom they look lovely although having to remove them from flower beds and even inside the GH is a chore I could do without.
They get slashed down to ground level each Autumn leaves and all to stop them seeding and they pop up again as if nothing had happened.
It is a good job I swear in a rough Northern dialect, people passing may think I am mispronouncing Anemoe???
Frank. -
Message 16
Posted by nooj (U13729031) on Tuesday, 18th October 2011
Perhaps David and Esmerelda should get together and draw comfort from each other.?
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Message 17
Posted by Obelixx (U2157162) on Tuesday, 18th October 2011
I can't see that happening Nooj.
As for anemones, I bought some anemone de Caën corms at a plant fair a couple of weekends ago. They'll be going in a newly cleaned and renovated bed soon. Haven't found any blanda yet.
I love Japanse anemones precisely because they spread when happy and smother weeds. I like the new shoots in spring, the form and colour of the foliage all summer and the flowers which seem to go on and on. Fabulous plants. -
Message 18
Posted by David K (U14115317) on Tuesday, 18th October 2011
Perhaps David and Esmerelda should get together and draw comfort from each other.?Â
You should know by now, I'm very much my own person and have no intention of changing a thing to please you, Esmeralda (I can spell it) or the Belgian one. -
Message 19
This posting has been hidden during moderation because it broke the in some way.
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Message 20
Posted by Palaisglide (U3102587) on Tuesday, 18th October 2011
Could not agree more Obilixx, if they would stay where they sneaked under an ugly fence which is on the north side of my drive but they do not.
I find that they wander and have spent three years trying to stop them invading one corner of the GH, weed killers and I have to be careful with it do not kill it off. Digging down in the flower bed outside the GH I thought I had it but no it is back this year and I also found it had somehow got into my herb bed so that will be a major big dig to get out any root.
At my age invasive plants are not welcome.
Frank. -
Message 21
Posted by Lowena (U14575314) on Wednesday, 19th October 2011
Got modded for being off topic
I just agreed with, and enlarged on what Nooj had said
Back on topic.... I like Japanese anemones and as long as people know what you mean, does it matter whether it is" mon" or "nom"? In the context of GW, I think not particularly
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Message 22
Posted by Obelixx (U2157162) on Wednesday, 19th October 2011
I found some mixed anemone blanda at Wavre market this morning. 100 corms for €5 so a bargain - along with 40 Minnow tazetta daffs for €5 and 3 red crown frits for €6. Excellent stuff and then my favourite nurseryman sold me a cornus alba elegantissima for €5. Brilliant!
Frank - it's odd isn't it? I'm trying to spread Jap Anemone around the garden just because I'm getting older and more arthritic and want easy plants. I find the pink and purple ones survive everything hard winters and this year of drought have thrown at them but I struggle to get the white form to establish.
My latest attempt is in a newly cleared woodland area where all the original plants except some hellebores died last winter. We've dumped on barrowloads of compost and I'll be putting a green mesh windbreak along the fence to give some protection to the new stuff which includes hostas, foxgloves, ferns, brunnera, Japanese acers, vinca minor Gerrude Jekyll, and white Japs. Fingers crossed the white ones appreciate their new home and come back next year. -
Message 23
Posted by hereisabee (U2342191) on Wednesday, 19th October 2011
Back in the days of Berryfields Monty grew Gaura lindheimeri, which he pronounced like Gowra. A poster was keen to point out it should be pronounced like Laura, but the next programme he remained uncorrected.
I planted some Heucheras in the spring for a classicist, I pronounce them like hook - whookera. I was soon corrected, it should be as in hoosh - hooshera? -
Message 24
Posted by Lowena (U14575314) on Wednesday, 19th October 2011
I always say Gowra - Go Monty
I don't like heucheras so I pronounce them.........yukky -
Message 25
Posted by nooj (U13729031) on Wednesday, 19th October 2011
Sorry you got modded - that's what you get for agreeing with me - dangerous stuff.!
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Message 26
Posted by Palaisglide (U3102587) on Thursday, 20th October 2011
Obelixx, one mans flower is another mans weed or womans.
As a child my father had the garden for food production along with the animals but he had a huge clump of Peony (paeonia) and a long row of Madonna Lily (Lillium Cadidum) which along with his beloved pinks and Show Chrysanthenmums was the extent of the flowers, we did have fruit blossom on the trees in season, pears plums apples and I can still smell and taste those sun warmed Victoria plums.
As a result I have always loved Peony and have three clumps of them.
One of my neighbours commented on them and said they are a waste of space, too short lived flowers, prone to wind and rain and then nothing for a year?
I think that can be said of a lot of the plants we grow and I grow what I love, surely that is what gardening is all about.
The flowers give me pleasure and the greenery fills in gaps to which I can add colour by moving pots about.
Like you Obelixx I have some problems with movement which is why there are now many pots around much easier to tend and can be planned to flower in sequence ready to replace those gone over the Windflower or Anemone is ok in its place but in my garden has a wanderlust and once loose in the fertile soil it shoots away. I can live with some but not a forest of the stuff.
Frank. -
Message 27
Posted by Lowena (U14575314) on Thursday, 20th October 2011
Sorry you got modded - that's what you get for agreeing with me - dangerous stuff.!Â
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Message 28
Posted by Obelixx (U2157162) on Thursday, 20th October 2011
Frank - I love peonies too and they do very well in some spots here but less well than others. Question of exposure I think.
Hereisabee - I had always understood heuchera to be a word of Greek origin so the ch is pronounced like a k as in architect and the eu is yoo as in Euonymous. As for Gaura - Au in Latin is pronounced ow in English, as is Laura in French. Possum's godmother is a Scottish Laura (English pronunciation) and her Flemish godfather liked it so much he called his daughter Lore in order to get the right Flemish pronunciaion. -
Message 29
Posted by DaveNH (U15006677) on Thursday, 20th October 2011
The occasional slip of the tongue (or typo in my case) is understandable but if you watch many nature programmes you will realise that many other people, including marine biologists,regularly mispronounce the word.
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Message 30
Posted by hereisabee (U2342191) on Thursday, 20th October 2011
Just looked Heuchera up in 'Plant Names Simplified', Johnson and Smith. Named after a German botanist Prof. J. H. Heuchera.
Pronounced hoy-ker-a ! -
Message 31
Posted by nooj (U13729031) on Thursday, 20th October 2011
Well that's what I say - and i'm digging some up and throwing them away!
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Message 32
Posted by Don Kidick (U13987773) on Monday, 24th October 2011
Pursualy I agre with the OP.
Prununsiashun, grmaer and selin are very inportunt and shuld be chekt at al times.
Cheeeeers. Don
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Message 33
Posted by tulipmania (U3090145) on Monday, 24th October 2011
My goodness what a lot of snobs inhabit these boards!
I pronounce virtually everything incorrectly, only began gardening after leaving the UK so tend to read names but never have need to say them in 'English'!
However this has had little, or no, affect on my gardening abilities or my enjoyment of the hobby!
Greetings Tulipmania -
Message 34
Posted by hereisabee (U2342191) on Tuesday, 25th October 2011
Camellia is the classic mis-pronounciation, should be spoken as if a k,
kam-el-le-a. After George Joseph Kemel (latinised to Camellus) a Jesuit. -
Message 35
Posted by Paul N (U6451125) on Tuesday, 25th October 2011
I don't think anybody pronounces Camellia other than with a K sound, but i know of only one gardener, Roy Lancaster, who say Cam-el-lia rather than the usual Cam-ee-lia. So it sounds as if I'm wrong in that case, and actually I always say Anenome rather than Anemone too.
It's not snobbish to want to get things right, in fact mis-spelling irritates me. Quite why posters cannot take the time to use a dictionary to learn Fuchsia (for instance) I don't know.
Yes, I can be an irritating B to live with. The wife left the fridge door ajar this morning and she never leaves the tea bag in for the required four minutes, then slops in too much milk -
Message 36
Posted by nooj (U13729031) on Tuesday, 25th October 2011
Exactly.
By the way i think i may have just received a psychic message from your lovely wife.....
Can't quite make it out - something to do with, tea, blooddy, your own?
Does that mean anything to you?????
I'm nor sure what she's trying to say really....!!!!! -
Message 37
Posted by Paul N (U6451125) on Tuesday, 25th October 2011
C'mon now. You're ganging up on me, and that ain't allowed, innit?
PS Don't you find the words 'awesome', 'twenny four seven'. a big 'ask' and 'cool' very grating? She doesn't but I do. -
Message 38
Posted by Obelixx (U2157162) on Tuesday, 25th October 2011
Paul - Were I your wife, I would clock you round the head if you called me "the wife" in my hearing, or even just thought it!
As for Cool - that's fine as long as it means relaxed and not the more usual meaning. I hate 'big ask'. What's wrong with "a lot to ask"? I also loathe gobsmacked,.
I can cope with mispronunciation but not repetitive lazy pronunciation such as dropped 't's and 't' pronounced as 'd' and another irritation is people using plural verb forms with singular words such as 'government'. -
Message 39
Posted by Yakram (U2443370) on Tuesday, 25th October 2011
Wo' abaht glo''al stops an' extra le''ers, eg 'olly an' hivy?
If people feel comfortable pronouncing plant names their way, in their own company, so they can remember them, then that is fine by me.
I agree with hereisabee that Camellia does not have an extra 'e' in its pronunciation, and I have been disappointed when a minority of trained horticultural professionals mispronounce plant names.
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