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Message 1.听
Posted by drwalter (U1365507) on Thursday, 12th January 2012
Monty Don - Is he leaving GARDENERS' WORLD in 2012?
A really bad dream last night (too much cheese too late at night...!) about the news that MD was heading off to allotments new.
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Message 2
Posted by thedogcody (U14659366) on Thursday, 12th January 2012
Eh-dont think so-but you can now expect some some lively remarks.
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Message 3
Posted by Ariadne Knickerbocker (U4534559) on Thursday, 12th January 2012
Gosh I feel that lively I can scarcely keep my eyes open.
Over Christmas I dreamt that all Santa's little elves looked exactly like Chris Beardshaw... There are days when you just don't want to wake up...
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Message 4
Posted by David K (U14115317) on Thursday, 12th January 2012
Over Christmas I dreamt that all Santa's little elves looked exactly like Chris Beardshaw... There are days when you just don't want to wake up...
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I dreamt that MD had run off with Christine Walkden and Johnny Vegas had agreed to present the program from a window-box somewhere in Lancashire.Link to this forum: Monty Don - Is he leaving GARDENERS' WORLD in 2012?
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Message 5
Posted by Tee Gee (U10012255) on Friday, 13th January 2012
I dreamt that MD had run off with Christine Walkden and Johnny Vegas had agreed to present the program from a window-box somewhere in Lancashire. 听
Love it!
What would he be growing?
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Message 6
Posted by caroldevon (U15099184) on Sunday, 15th January 2012
I do hope so! I have seen enough of his garden and grand plans to ladst a lifetime. Bring back Toby Buckland and team. The programme should be for those of us who have gardens not estates complete with greenhouses . Tobys style was much better suited to ordinary gardeners including beginners
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Message 7
Posted by thedogcody (U14659366) on Sunday, 15th January 2012
Monty is not leaving -Toby will not be bought back-the series hasn't started -no-one knows the schedules-opinions are fine, but this is silly.
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Message 8
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Message 9
Posted by Charlie (U14870724) on Monday, 16th January 2012
Monty Don - Is he leaving GARDENERS' WORLD in 2012?
A really bad dream last night (too much cheese too late at night...!) about the news that MD was heading off to allotments new.
No truth in this wild dream, is there?听 I do hope your dream is true I found Gardeners World with Monty and Carol very boring this last year and the worst gardeners world there as beenLink to this forum: Monty Don - Is he leaving GARDENERS' WORLD in 2012?
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Message 10
Posted by girlgardener (U14297749) on Wednesday, 18th January 2012
He only signed a 2 yr deal (expires end 2012) and 主播大秀 gardening is moving from Birmingham to Bristol - so who knows!
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Message 11
Posted by arati (U14426424) on Thursday, 19th January 2012
I got into watching the beechove gardens last year and found them interesting (which I never did in 2010 when Toby was hosting) .
I like Monty but realised I wasn't getting enough learnings at the end of the show as - but I am a novice so probably thats why I liked Toby's show better. Used to love his little projects like the herb garden which I have implemented partly in my allotments! Hope Monty comes up with more inspiring subjects this year..!Link to this forum: Monty Don - Is he leaving GARDENERS' WORLD in 2012?
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Message 12
Posted by thedogcody (U14659366) on Thursday, 19th January 2012
You seem slightly confused--Beechgrove is the Scottish gardening show-Toby Buckland has never hosted it-he did host Gardeners World from Berryfields and then Greenacre before Monty returned .
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Message 13
Posted by PenylanSue (U13901201) on Monday, 23rd January 2012
Geoff, I think the poster meant that he never wanted to change to another channel to watch Beechgrove while Toby was hosting GW.
And for all the Chris Beardshaw fans, Fishmore Hall near Ludlow are having a 'lunch with Chris B' on March 9th to launch his new book. Google it.
A tad expensive but some of you out there must earn more than I.Link to this forum: Monty Don - Is he leaving GARDENERS' WORLD in 2012?
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Message 14
Posted by Stressed out (U11163734) on Monday, 23rd January 2012
Its rumours like this that can be very damaging
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Message 15
Posted by ArtemisH (U14261033) on Tuesday, 24th January 2012
Monty Don - Is he leaving.....听
I see the Tardis has crash-landed, AGAIN, causing severe head injuries to the usual unfortunates.Link to this forum: Monty Don - Is he leaving GARDENERS' WORLD in 2012?
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Message 16
Posted by arati (U14426424) on Saturday, 4th February 2012
Thnx sue - yeah that's what I meant
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Message 17
Posted by drwalter (U1365507) on Saturday, 18th February 2012
Monty Don - Is he leaving GARDENERS' WORLD in 2012?
A really bad dream last night (too much cheese too late at night...!) about the news that MD was heading off to allotments new.
No truth in this wild dream, is there?听 According to the programme's Producer, "Monty will be back on 9 March 2012".Link to this forum: Monty Don - Is he leaving GARDENERS' WORLD in 2012?
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Message 18
Posted by Adgethedancer (U14065183) on Tuesday, 6th March 2012
I do hope so! I have seen enough of his garden and grand plans to ladst a lifetime. Bring back Toby Buckland and team. The programme should be for those of us who have gardens not estates complete with greenhouses . Tobys style was much better suited to ordinary gardeners including beginners听 I wish I could comment more about Monty Don leaving GW. But as I havn't watched GW since MD took over from TB I couldn't possibly comment. I thought TB was a breath of fresh air after MD left the first time!
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Message 19
Posted by Paul N (U6451125) on Friday, 9th March 2012
Yes, but you were in the minority hence TB's sacking and Monty's successful return. He's back tonight but I guess you won't be watching
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Message 20
Posted by David K (U14115317) on Friday, 9th March 2012
Yes, but you were in the minority hence TB's sacking and Monty's successful return. He's back tonight but I guess you won't be watching
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Paul, I've noticed you often use words like 'the vast majority of us' when lavishing your unstinting praise for Mr D and condemn anyone who doesn鈥檛 feel the same, I just wonder what you base your facts on. I have many friends & associates within the horticultural industry who would very much disagree with you.
Do I like him? No....will I be watching tonight? You bet鈥tand by your bed!
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Message 21
Posted by Paul N (U6451125) on Friday, 9th March 2012
David
When I say 'majority' I guess i mean my gardening friends and most of the posters here. I had really, really hoped that this tedious subject would have been put to bed years ago but it's still the same old nitpickers who must sit there with pen and notebook in hand waiting for some 'infringement' to pounce on. I watch the programme as it's one of the few 'must see' programmes during the week I must not miss. No, it's not hero worship on my part; I simply find Monty comes over as a thoroughly decent bloke who puts over his subject eloquently, and the same goes for his Daily Mail articles in their supplement.
Gardening is not black or white, there are always methods and ideas which other won't like. I guess my rose pruning this week was too early for some, too late for others, left too tall or too short, overfed, underfed, etc.
But it's the repeated criticism from the same tribe time and time and time again that depresses me and I'm sure turns many away from this forum. What will it be tonight folks, the corduroy trousers, will he be talking down to us, will he spend too long on the lawn care.....God give me strength.Link to this forum: Monty Don - Is he leaving GARDENERS' WORLD in 2012?
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Message 22
Posted by Stressed out (U11163734) on Friday, 9th March 2012
Paul
I take exception to the 'thoroughly decent' and also the 'majority'
A lot of people thought Bernard Madoff was a thoroughly decent person
My experience is same as David's when it comes to the horticultural industry no one like him.
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Message 23
Posted by nooj (U13729031) on Friday, 9th March 2012
Go on then nit pickers - what didn't you like?
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Message 24
Posted by Paul N (U6451125) on Friday, 9th March 2012
RC
You take exception, so be it. You don't find Monty thoroughly decent, so be it. I care little for the 'horticultural industry', as a gardener I like him and it was like welcoming and dear friend into my home. Take exception RC, take exception.
I have really had my fill of this section of the 主播大秀 Gardening Message Board, so cheerio (until I weaken).
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Message 25
Posted by ArtemisH (U14261033) on Saturday, 10th March 2012
"My experience is same as David's when it comes to the horticultural industry no one like him. "
I think it's time traders on these boards understood that, very obviously, 主播大秀's Gardeners' World is for the millions of ORDINARY gardeners like me, my friends and family, as well as for the vast majority of gardening message board posters; not for traders.
There are many magazines and websites that are purely trade oriented and can be found on the web.
www.gardentradespecialist.com etc.,etc.
We, ordinary gardeners, want to be informed about what can be done when and how, as well as suitably entertained. We do not thirst, I think, for advice on how to increase our profits.Link to this forum: Monty Don - Is he leaving GARDENERS' WORLD in 2012?
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Message 26
Posted by David K (U14115317) on Sunday, 11th March 2012
"My experience is same as David's when it comes to the horticultural industry no one like him. "
I think it's time traders on these boards understood that, very obviously, 主播大秀's Gardeners' World is for the millions of ORDINARY gardeners like me, my friends and family, as well as for the vast majority of gardening message board posters; not for traders.
There are many magazines and websites that are purely trade oriented and can be found on the web.
www.gardentradespecialist.com etc.,etc.
We, ordinary gardeners, want to be informed about what can be done when and how, as well as suitably entertained. We do not thirst, I think, for advice on how to increase our profits.听
ArtemisH, I think you are making some rather rash and misinformed assumptions here.
To my knowledge, no 鈥榯raders鈥 or anyone linked to the horticultural industry has EVER posted on these boards鈥.unless you count Monty Don himself (and Christine Walkden on one occasion) of course.
I鈥檓 one of those 鈥榤illions of ORDINARY gardeners鈥 you mention and certainly have no axe to grind on behalf of the trade.
I will confess to having had acquaintances with several past presenters of Gardeners鈥 World through my involvement as judge & exhibitor on the show circuit.
I ask you and others to understand the repercussions careless & misinformed comments made by Monty Don (or any other gardening TV presenter) have on the businesses of people who do this for a living, not just a pleasant weekend pastime.
I give you this as an example. Last year Monty Don stated in his first program that Spencer sweet peas had little or no scent and were not worth growing. Well they most certainly DO and are consequently designated as highly perfumed by The National Sweet Pea Society.
These ill-informed comments can have an extremely detrimental on the sales of these growers鈥..call it the Delia affect!Link to this forum: Monty Don - Is he leaving GARDENERS' WORLD in 2012?
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Message 27
Posted by nooj (U13729031) on Sunday, 11th March 2012
Matthew Wilson
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Message 28
Posted by ArtemisH (U14261033) on Monday, 12th March 2012
I did not actually mean you, David K, though I had a feeling you were somehow more seriously connected to gardening than the likes of me. However, I certainly meant Rowan Cottage and Trillium; under no circumstances, I think, could they be considered "ordinary" gardeners since both own commercial nurseries, and the former has been particularly vitriolic.
Though I have made negative comments about gardening c'lebs, when I found them portraying their utter ignorance as superior knowledge, or being crass and repellent, I have always found it profoundly distasteful to object virulently to anyone, just because s/he doesn't appeal to you in terms of appearance or style; or because your specialised commercial interests are not catered for.
Your post pin-points for the first time, I think, a specific instance when MD's comments could be disconcerting to traders. Though I don't actually recall it, I can easily see that it would affect trade. I can only hope that it was just a single accident and since the RSPS proclaimed the exact opposite, the MD effect was very transient.Link to this forum: Monty Don - Is he leaving GARDENERS' WORLD in 2012?
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Message 29
Posted by Trillium (U2170869) on Monday, 12th March 2012
Hello Artemis,
Have I upset you? I only drop in here from time to time to see if I can answer any questions on the Clinic or GI board and happened to log in tonight.
I can't remember ever taking a business-centric perspective on GW on these boards, though I am willing to be corrected. I still care very much that it is the 主播大秀's flagship gardening programme in all areas plant related, regardless of whether it happens to refer to a topic within my commercial remit (the nursery is really just an excuse for me to spend my days outside - it barely pays its way). You see, gardening remains my hobby too....Link to this forum: Monty Don - Is he leaving GARDENERS' WORLD in 2012?
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Message 30
Posted by David K (U14115317) on Tuesday, 13th March 2012
Artemish - Pleased to hear your previous message was not aimed at me. However, I think you do an injustice to Trillium in particular who has been a valued and helpful contributor to these boards for a very long time and has never used them to further her own interests.
Regarding my own previous message about misleading advice having a detrimental affect on businesses, it does also have a flip side. Many times when Monty Don has used one of his gimmicky tools during the program, messages have been made here asking if anyone knows where they can be purchased.....you see, the power of TV shouldn鈥檛 be underestimated.Link to this forum: Monty Don - Is he leaving GARDENERS' WORLD in 2012?
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Message 31
Posted by ArtemisH (U14261033) on Wednesday, 14th March 2012
When I felt, Trillium, that you were being "self-promoting", I recall that I said so. I also think you wanted MD to explain how weed killers work, or such garden centre merchandise; business related, I think.
In this instance, I was answering Davidk who imagined that I was "making some rather rash and misinformed assumptions" because, in his opinion, "no 鈥榯raders鈥 or anyone linked to the horticultural industry has EVER posted on these boards". I was simply stating that there were at least two, of whom I was aware.
And I don't think anyone in his/her right mind would pretend that the messages of Rowan Cottage relating to MD have been anything else but unseemly, venomous and virulent.
I find such personal hatred is ugly.Link to this forum: Monty Don - Is he leaving GARDENERS' WORLD in 2012?
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Message 32
Posted by Trillium (U2170869) on Wednesday, 14th March 2012
Ah - I see.
But I don't sell any weedkillers, or other gardening products at all. I just sell herbaceous perennials in a small nursery, and I grow them organically and peat-free at that.
My reasoning for suggesting that GW go into garden centres and explain things is quite the opposite of self-promotion. Potentially I stand to lose sales to impulse buys in such places, No, it's that I want gardeners to understand better what they are buying, not least so I don't have to spend quite so much time unpicking their misapprehensions!
Glad to have had the opportunity to clear that one up.Link to this forum: Monty Don - Is he leaving GARDENERS' WORLD in 2012?
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Message 33
Posted by ArtemisH (U14261033) on Wednesday, 14th March 2012
Trillium, suggesting that MD should "explain" the intricacies of weed killer may be seen as an effort at "increasing sales" but not as self promotion! (However, you do say you do not sell such stuff, so it wasn't a personal interest.)
I'm absolutely sure you haven't forgotten your self-promoting efforts, in providing links to your blog (with nursery name and address) and the video clips of yourself in the garden/alotment. Unfortunately, I neither have the time nor the inclination to search for them now.
Nothing nasty and probably helpful to some, I admit; yet, business promoting at the same time, I think.Link to this forum: Monty Don - Is he leaving GARDENERS' WORLD in 2012?
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Message 34
Posted by Trillium (U2170869) on Wednesday, 14th March 2012
As you wish, Artemis.
But it did all start with my winning a 主播大秀 gardening competition and the consequences of that were of great interest here for some time. Had I overstepped a perceived line of commercial self-interest, the hosts would have stepped in and blocked a posting or link, which they have never done. You are the first person to comment on my part here in a negative light in this respect.
Still, you are entitled to your view and I shall not seek further to change your mind.Link to this forum: Monty Don - Is he leaving GARDENERS' WORLD in 2012?
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Message 35
Posted by kate1123 (U14824475) on Wednesday, 14th March 2012
I would just like to butt in to this conversation as I was the poster who asked Trillium to post a link to her blog so I could see her Tatton Gold medal winning garden that was not covered by the Beeb as she did not have a sob story.
MD has been busy promoting the book about his garden and I am sure he must have a commercial brain as his income is self generated, I would assume the reason he returned to GW was for a long term financial gain and that in the future he will make his income from his notoriety of being a GW presenter.
I do not have a problem with that but sometimes he gives the impression that he has never been to a GC, which I find a little odd.Link to this forum: Monty Don - Is he leaving GARDENERS' WORLD in 2012?
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Message 36
Posted by SnipandTuck (U15186704) on Thursday, 15th March 2012
I do hope so! I have seen enough of his garden and grand plans to ladst a lifetime. Bring back Toby Buckland and team. The programme should be for those of us who have gardens not estates complete with greenhouses . Tobys style was much better suited to ordinary gardeners including beginners听 Here here!
We really miss Toby here in our house - and there's not much of old 'Swifty' now either...
I'm sure MD is very nice and all, but to be frank, the programme has become very dull and elitist since Toby went. They all had such a rapport and great banter and it helped the show along with fun as well as information. Let's face it, in the current climate, we could all do with a bit of cheer - I for one don't really want to watch MD on his vast estate week in, week out, telling us every now and then that we could 'always do something on a smaller scale'!
One little mistake with the 'cool wall' type thing (that was actually very quickly got rid of) and they binned the whole thing - such a shame
Greenacre was wonderful, but now, sadly it looks as though it's been left to go to waste and ruin - what a disgrace to waste our taxes in such a way!!!
Bored of watching GW now anyway, the only bit that was worth watching last episode was Joe Swift's garden design bit and it doesn't warrant sitting through the rest of it, sadly. I've seen MD planting raspberries at least three times over the years - yawn!Link to this forum: Monty Don - Is he leaving GARDENERS' WORLD in 2012?
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Message 37
Posted by SnipandTuck (U15186704) on Thursday, 15th March 2012
Yes, but you were in the minority hence TB's sacking and Monty's successful return. He's back tonight but I guess you won't be watching
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Paul, I've noticed you often use words like 'the vast majority of us' when lavishing your unstinting praise for Mr D and condemn anyone who doesn鈥檛 feel the same, I just wonder what you base your facts on. I have many friends & associates within the horticultural industry who would very much disagree with you.
Do I like him? No....will I be watching tonight? You bet鈥tand by your bed!
听 Hee hee!!! Well said!Link to this forum: Monty Don - Is he leaving GARDENERS' WORLD in 2012?
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Message 38
Posted by SnipandTuck (U15186704) on Thursday, 15th March 2012
Yes, but you were in the minority hence TB's sacking and Monty's successful return. He's back tonight but I guess you won't be watching
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'In the minority'...? I doubt it.
More like 'haven't got any choice, as we pay the tv license fees anyway and they'll do just what they like'....?!
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Message 39
Posted by the cycling gardener (U2350416) on Friday, 16th March 2012
One little mistake with the 'cool wall' type thing (that was actually very quickly got rid of) and they binned the whole thing - such a shame 听
Now, you and I know GW ditched Greenacre because the problems with the programme were far more deeply entrenched than a little mistake with the 鈥渃ool wall鈥. This board buzzed with complaints and suggestions to help turn GW into the better production it has become 鈥 not perfect but it will never satisfy everyone all the time. I don鈥檛 suppose you will recall this as you appear to be a new contributor to the board???......Link to this forum: Monty Don - Is he leaving GARDENERS' WORLD in 2012?
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Message 40
Posted by David K (U14115317) on Friday, 16th March 2012
"I don鈥檛 suppose you will recall this as you appear to be a new contributor to the board???......"
Not necessarily so, some posters (as seemingly SnipandTuck does) delete their posting history, so do I for that matter...well most of it at least!
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Message 41
Posted by girlgardener (U14297749) on Friday, 16th March 2012
He only signed a 2 year contract,l so technically this is his last year....but who knows if it will get renewed!
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Message 42
Posted by seonag1 (U14476426) on Wednesday, 21st March 2012
Monty Don - Is he leaving GARDENERS' WORLD in 2012?
A really bad dream last night (too much cheese too late at night...!) about the news that MD was heading off to allotments new.
No truth in this wild dream, is there?听 After last year鈥檚 offerings from MD I'm not even going to watch the programme this year ( a first for me , as I鈥檝e been watching GW for donkeys years) Thank goodness Beechgrove is back soon.
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Message 43
Posted by Lowena (U14575314) on Sunday, 1st April 2012
Just to answer the question which is the title of the thread..................I hope so - let's get in a proper gardener and not a bandwaggoner ( jeweller,cook,travel writer,philanthropist.......case rested)
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Message 44
Posted by poshHebeJeebie (U9319867) on Sunday, 1st April 2012
I've read through this thread - and it really is a case of plus ca change.
Do I like Monty? Well - I don't know the chap personally, but I am not, and never have been, impressed by his gardening skills/presentation. But that is personal. One man's meat etc etc.
Is he leaving? We'll find out in due course, no doubt, but in the meantime, GW is the mainstream gardening programme, and we make do with what we have.
It seems to me that there is much viewing of the past through rose-tinted spectacles. Had this board been active during the early Geoff Hamilton years, I'm sure that there would have been many who found his style (and subsequent conversion to organics) difficult, shall we say. But over time, he has almost been deified by many.
To nail my colours to the mast: I found him fascinating, interesting and informative. I can't say the same about MD. But then, I was still in the early learning stages with GH, and am older, hopefully wiser and probably more cynical nowadays.
But surely to goodness the "I like x and therefore everyone else is wrong" sort of thread is well past its sell-by date? Personal preference is just that - personal. Does the current GW reach out to new gardeners? Does it inform and entertain? Does Monty Don enthuse those new to all things horticultural?
If the answer to the above is "yes", even if a qualified yes, then it does the job. (I think).
PHJ
OMG - it is with some trepidation that I will press the "post message" button. I just hope I am not opening a whole new can of worms! But I do hope that there will be a sense of perspective on this issue. btw I watch and enjoy at least part of each week's GW nowadays. It's not a "must watch"programme - but I'd rather see it than not!Link to this forum: Monty Don - Is he leaving GARDENERS' WORLD in 2012?
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Message 45
Posted by nooj (U13729031) on Sunday, 1st April 2012
Don't be trepidacious!
Everyone knows I'm a Monty fan, but I have honestly enjoyed all previous presenters
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Message 46
Posted by hollie-hock (U15202984) on Friday, 6th April 2012
"Does the current GW reach out to new gardeners? Does it inform and entertain? Does Monty Don enthuse those new to all things horticultural?"
To PHJ,
Thanks for your post, I have read through all of this thread and agree with your observations.
I have been gardening for only a year, so my answers to your above questions are Yes, Yes & Yes. I really look forward to it on the weekend.
My only complaint is that 30 mins is too short!
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Message 47
Posted by poshHebeJeebie (U9319867) on Saturday, 7th April 2012
Hi Hollie-hock
(love the name, btw)
I am so glad that you are getting a lot out of the current GW. We were all novices once - and I was only too glad to learn from the like of Geoff Hamilton and
Mr. Smith (who may have been before your gardening time!) I freely admit that I can always learn new things, and therefore do want to see quality gardening programmes.
And, for the record, I watched GW last night and loved it. It ticked every box, and I found Monty relaxed and informative. Perhaps he is growing into (pun intended) the role on his home turf!
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