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dreadlocks in 10,000bc movie
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Message 1.Ìý
Posted by Shaz519 (U2827975) on Wednesday, 12th March 2008
I know the film is pure fantasy and utterly unrealistic historically. ie mammoths in the desert. One small thing is hairstyles. Do we know if stoneage european tribesmen had dreadlocks?
I dont recall seeing artist impressions of any cave men in dreadlocks. I assumed it began with rastafarians and other cultures in Africa, such as the Masai in Kenya. I also heard of some Aborigines and Tasmanians peoples described by the first Europeans who met them as having 'rat tails hairstyles' ie dreadlocks in todays terms. -
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Posted by Volgadon (U10843893) on Thursday, 13th March 2008
I guess if you don't wash or cut your hair it'll evetually become dredlocks.
Quite certain that that wasn't why, they wanted an image immediatley recognisable as wild and primitive. -
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Posted by villamarce (U9034231) on Tuesday, 18th March 2008
Id just like to point out that it is only if you are white/european that you acquire locks in this way (not washing). Interesting that you make an assertion that the filmmakers make a link between primitiveness and a hairstyle almost exclusively worn by black people... ergo in the view of western film makers black people are primitive. Hollywood exposed?
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Message 4
Posted by villamarce (U9034231) on Monday, 24th March 2008
Point of fact: Rastafarianism originated amongst Africans,but not in Africa...in Jamaica! No one knows where or who (if anyone) "originated" dreadlocks. Suffice to say though that they have probably been around since pre biblical times and are found in many cultures...eg certain holymen in India wear them!
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Message 5
Posted by ElizaShaw (U10750867) on Wednesday, 26th March 2008
Why didn't they all have beards? (well, the men, anyway!) - did they have stone razors? Or do some males just not grow beards if they don't shave?
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Message 6
Posted by Volgadon (U10843893) on Wednesday, 26th March 2008
I've grown up around people of North-African and Kurdish descent and if they don't shave, starting from 14 or so, they can sport some rather fine hedges.
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Message 7
Posted by GrumpyBOUDICA (U10528800) on Wednesday, 26th March 2008
If you Google "dreadlocks" it will take you to sites for more information.
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Message 8
Posted by Grumpyshakazulu (U6590497) on Thursday, 27th March 2008
Dreadlocks have been around since biblical times at least.
Samson had dreadlocks.
In revelations the author decribes a vision of Jesus and he clearly had dreadlocks.
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Message 9
Posted by TerryG*09* (U13753139) on Monday, 5th January 2009
iv also heard some where that jesus had dreadlocks
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Message 10
Posted by Stoggler (U1647829) on Monday, 5th January 2009
iv also heard some where that jesus had dreadlocksÌý
Erm, that wouldn't be the previous message before yours would it Terry? -
Message 11
Posted by Vizzer aka U_numbers (U2011621) on Monday, 5th January 2009
In revelations the author decribes a vision of Jesus and he clearly had dreadlocks.Ìý
It's feasible that Mary had dreadlocks too. -
Message 12
Posted by TerryG*09* (U13753139) on Wednesday, 7th January 2009
Stoggler
dont be dumb, havent you heard of a book thats going around these days, i think its called the bible. -
Message 13
Posted by an ex-nordmann - it has ceased to exist (U3472955) on Wednesday, 7th January 2009
They weren't real - he stuck them on from a DIY dreadlock kit. It's all in Matthew (Chapter 10, Verse 30), where he tells anyone who'll listen how easy the instructions were, and also how the effect can be even better than the one to be achieved two thousand years later by Johnny Depp in the Caribbean movies;
"But even the very hairs of your head are all numbered. Fear not therefore: ye are of more value than many sparrows." -
Message 14
Posted by Stoggler (U1647829) on Wednesday, 7th January 2009
amazingTerryG
Stoggler
dont be dumb, havent you heard of a book thats going around these days, i think its called the bible.
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Really? What's that then? Never heard of it?
Ok, enough of the sarcasm.
Excuse me, but I am not being dumb. In message 8, Grumpyshakazulu wrote:
Dreadlocks have been around since biblical times at least.
Samson had dreadlocks.
In revelations the author decribes a vision of Jesus and he clearly had dreadlocks.
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Clearly he's saying that in the Bible it mentions individuals (including Jesus) had dreadlocks.
Message 9, the following message to that one, you say:
iv also heard some where that jesus had dreadlocksÌý
So you were essentially saying the same thing as Grumpyshakazulu in the message no more than a couple of inches above your post. Hence my retort in message 10 suggesting that what you said had already been said IN THE PREVIOUS POST. Not sure what's dumb about what I said. What you've been saying though is a different matter... -
Message 15
Posted by Nik (U1777139) on Wednesday, 7th January 2009
It is mostly modern "ideas" about what is primitive and what is not that may influence depiction of prehistoric men but these things tend to considerably vary, if dreadlocks are primitive, what about trousers then? Are they modern?
One of the most modern clothing style, trousers, is actually a definition of modernity and its absence is perceived instantaneously backwardness even by the most "hippy-love-all-like" people.
However trousers are actually known since (at least!) 20,000 B.C. and worn all over the world by the most primitive and barbaric tribes and till late middle ages was seen as the biggest sign of barbarity, backwardness and dirtyness (tigh clothing is more unhygenic especially when people do not wash that often!).
Shaving / having beards was rarely a primitive/developed sign as it varied even more through the ages with lots of primitive (i.e. less complex) and developed (i.e. more complex) cultures having opted for the one or the other. Shaving exists long before the advent of metal since people used obsianth, perhaps one of the first stone of so great value as to initiate international commerce. One has to note that obsianth makes much more easily far more sharp tools (albeit a bit less stong) and of course shaving blades (there you do not need strength but accuracy), and of course its glass-like structure means it is much more hygenic. When obsianth became more rare thus more expensive and people started using metal blades shaving popularity might have fell since you had a higher risk of irritation and infections. However, shaving/partial shaving came and went with fashions. For example, a culture like Spartans that were famous for leaving long hair and beards were mentioned during Peloponesian war to have a fashion for shaving skinhead heads and beards and that was what traitor Alkiviades did (if I remember correctly) to go by the Spartan fashion of the time. -
Message 16
Posted by TerryG*09* (U13753139) on Wednesday, 7th January 2009
read it properly, "IV ALSO HEARD". I new that the other post was there i was just agreeing.
you rushed to a conclusion.
less haste more pace is my advice.
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