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Posted by Backtothedarkplace (U2955180) on Tuesday, 2nd September 2008
For urgent personal reasons i need to know what
"Who ate all the pies?" is in latin.
Does any one know? I promise its not for home work.
, in reply to message 1.
Posted by an ex-nordmann - it has ceased to exist (U3472955) on Tuesday, 2nd September 2008
Quis crusta omna manduco?
Hi Nordmann and bttdp,
A debate about Latin grammar! This why I joined the history message board.
My Latin O level is 40 years in the past, so look at my reasoning very carefully. The question is in the form 'By whom all the pies eaten'.
The interogative pronoun should certainly start the sentence but should be ablative case perhaps, therefore quo (by whom) or even quisquo (by whoever).
I love 'crusta' for pies but it must be 'crusta omnia' surely.
'Manducus' is a glutton, but is there a verb of this form? The usual verb to eat is 'edere' but we need a passive perfect since the pies were eaten and the eating is finished; perhaps 'esa sunt'.
So, what about:
Quisquo crusta omnia esa sunt?
TP
, in reply to message 3.
Posted by an ex-nordmann - it has ceased to exist (U3472955) on Wednesday, 3rd September 2008
Sounds good to me, TP, but you don't have to start with the ablative "who" if you don't want to. The nominative interrogative "quis" followed at the end by the 3rd person perfect (past remote) of the verb "manducare" (to eat) is also quite acceptable and makes for a more direct question.
Why the "i" in "omna"? It means it no longer agrees with the gender or case of the noun it describes.
I picked "manducare" as it means to "gobble up", as opposed to dine at a leisurely pace. Just like sneaky pie-eaters might do.
Hi Nordmann,
I reasoned that the adjective omnis declined like fortis. So in neuter plural we have 'fortia' or 'omnia'.
But if irritated by an especially recalcitrant poster on Latin, Lilibulero, or any other topic remember that:
Amor vincit omnia
Regards, TP
, in reply to message 5.
Posted by an ex-nordmann - it has ceased to exist (U3472955) on Wednesday, 3rd September 2008
Sic erat in rationis.
I've got TP's as - Love conquers all.
But Nordmann's ? - In small doses?
I have for all posters to consider as an addendum to their nom de plumes when posting on this board - Absit invidia.
Why bttdp thought this board quicker than goggle, the Lord (steady Nordy!) only knows?
Absolutely wonderful...memories of Monty Python spring to mind.
Centurion: What is this? Romanes eunt domum...The people called Romanes, they go the house?
Brian: It says Romans go home!
Centurionindignant) It does not!
How long before Biggus Dickus gets mentioned...? Oops, too late!
Pro bono publico finish this fast!
, in reply to message 7.
Posted by Backtothedarkplace (U2955180) on Wednesday, 3rd September 2008
its not that its quicker than google its just a lot more accurate.
Monday of next week i get to sneak into work early and amend the family crest on one of my colleagues desks to the above in the sure knowledge that its right as opposed to something i've just cobbled together.
, in reply to message 11.
Posted by an ex-nordmann - it has ceased to exist (U3472955) on Wednesday, 3rd September 2008
Your desks carry your family crests? What do you work at bttdp? Round table knighting? Insurance scams diddling the last few bob out of the upper crust?
"Sic erat in rationis" means "At least that's how the theory goes" (such was it in theory) and was apparently Pliny the Elder's retort (and last words) when asked by his companion if, by jogging in flimsy and totally flammable sandals, they could really outpace the oncoming pyroclastic flow from Vesuvius.
, in reply to message 12.
Posted by Backtothedarkplace (U2955180) on Wednesday, 3rd September 2008
HiNordmann, A belated thank you, by the way.
No, one of the more mentally enfeebled people I work with got one of those let us trace your family tree letters? in return for fifty quid they sent her a laminated coat of arms that she is entitled to complete with motto.
Since then shes been boring the life out of us all with her family and the fact shes descended from nobility. Ive tried pointing out that several thousand people got the same letter but she isnt having it. Imagine a less reasnoble Minnete with a Yorkshire accent?
She's a bit on the rubenesque side shall we say. Well, truth must out, shes a bit of a porker.
So on Monday into the scanner, insert the new motto. and laminate it, pin up the edited copy and see how long it is before any one notices.
, in reply to message 13.
Posted by an ex-nordmann - it has ceased to exist (U3472955) on Wednesday, 3rd September 2008
Our family has two crests (and not made up either, the guys were big in Ulster and Scotland a while back and had one knocked up when the idea was still a new one amongst the thuggery with money). The "real" one is three English heads impaled on a sword with blood dripping down its flue and onto the scarred hand holding it. Bloody great picture, in every sense!
Needless to say the Victorian vintage of the family line weren't having any of that gore and anti-English stuff and had it remodelled. Now it's a stupid oak tree or something (looks like a wilted nettle to be honest). My sister had a few of the real ones made up for us all when she was in Edinburgh a few years ago however, so now all of us siblings have a rather gruesome but effective shield in all our respective hallways to terrorise sensitive visitors.
Doesn't work with Jehovah's Witnesses however - a hardy and callous breed themselves I fear!
, in reply to message 14.
Posted by Backtothedarkplace (U2955180) on Wednesday, 3rd September 2008
How can you tell they are English? Are they still wearing their bowler hats?
, in reply to message 15.
Posted by an ex-nordmann - it has ceased to exist (U3472955) on Wednesday, 3rd September 2008
Nah - the family motto (also changed by the Victorians) left you in no doubt apparently. Something like "the only good sasanach is a dead sasanach (preferably impaled three at a time on the same sword)" - or something like that. It was in Latin, and you know what TP thinks of my Latin!
, in reply to message 16.
Posted by Backtothedarkplace (U2955180) on Wednesday, 3rd September 2008
I have to admit that I wouldnt half mind a family crest. As it is we have to settle for "its a mean old scene" scrawled on the garden wall.
, in reply to message 17.
Posted by an ex-nordmann - it has ceased to exist (U3472955) on Wednesday, 3rd September 2008
Just change it to Latin - "Scaena veta pusilla est" has more class to it!
, in reply to message 18.
Posted by Anglo-Norman (U1965016) on Wednesday, 3rd September 2008
Wed, 03 Sep 2008 21:37 GMT, in reply to Nordmann in message 18
My favourite is the motto of the Ankh-Morpork City Watch: FABRICATE DIEM, PUNC
We have an attributed coat of arms - "argent a cross gules in the first quarter an ermine spot and for the crest upon a helm an arm holding a sword" (heralds seem to believe that punctuation is something that happens to other people) but I suspect it isn't our branch, as most people with our name come from further north. But as Hereditary Freemen of Shrewsbury I feel we're entitled to Arms. In any case. not motto. Actually, in England French seems to be frequently preferred to Latin for mottoes. Of course, at Windsor Castle we've got them all over the place - Ich Dien (My Serve), Honi Soit Qui Mal Y Pense (Honey, your silk stocking's hanging down) and so on, not to mention all those arms belonging to various Knights of the Garter - all 1000 of them, not counting Royal Knights and Stranger Knights.
AN - Do tell - What is a Stranger Knight? This may well accoun for a shadded area of my family tree!! Perhaps not. So where do we find one? I mean should we ever be in dire straights - or similar band.
bttdp.
I think you should quicly consult the solicitors Twigged. Gotcha and Suefast in case the office lady claims generic harrassment... or do I mean genetic... she'll find the right word, anyway.
This may be overted by making everyone in the office an similar document with tag supplied from thie boar where you have captive translators longing to do their best to dislodge the disciples of bombast.
Regards, P.
, in reply to message 20.
Posted by Anglo-Norman (U1965016) on Thursday, 4th September 2008
Thu, 04 Sep 2008 17:01 GMT, in reply to priscilla in message 20
Foreigners aren't allowed to be Knights of the Garter, on account of being foreign (poor things), but they can be made Stranger Knights. They're usually foreign leaders.
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