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Ezekiel and the Spaceship

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  Posted by DocFortune (U13867284) on Saturday, 21st March 2009

  If we are to believe the Old Testament, a very terrifying event took place in the year 592BC. The Prophet Ezekiel described it.
  
  "Now it came to pass in the thirtieth year, in the fourth month, in the fifth day of the month, as I was among the captives by the river Chebar, that the heavens were opened...And I looked, and behold, a whirlwind came out of the North, a great cloud, and a fire infolding itself, and a brightness was about it, and out of the midst thereof as the colour of amber, out of the midst of the fire. Also out of the midst thereof came the likeness of four living creatures..And this was their appearance; they had the likeness of a man. Everyone had four faces, and everyone had four wings..And their feet were straight feet and they sparkled like the colour of burnished brass...."
  
  Ezekiel goes onto to describe the "vehicle" the four living creatures were travelling in...
  
  "Now as I beheld the living creatures, behold one wheel upon the Earth by the living creatures..The appearance of the wheels and their work was like unto the colour of beryl; and they four had one likeness; and their appearance and their work was as it were a wheel in the middle of a wheel. When they went, they went upon their four sides; and they turned not as they went...When the living creatures were lifted up from the Earth, the wheels were lifted up...And when they went, I heard the noise of their wings like the noise of great waters, as the voice of the Almighty, the voice of speech."
  
  
  Although this description by Ezekiel is somewhat strange I believe that what he had seen and described was, in fact, a spaceship and it's crew (possibly time travellers)!
  
  Stop laughing...I'm serious, think about it, any time in antiquity whenever "God" or "Gods" actually show themselves in actual surroundings they always do so to the accompaniment of fire, smoke, Earth tremors, light & noise. Would an omnipresent God need a "vehicle" to get from one place to another? If God is good why would he terrify the objects of his love with demonstrations of power such are described in the Old Testament.
  
  Above all, as God is omniscient, he knew perfectly well that the phenomena handed down in the texts would be interpreted by people in the 21st Century, the commanding officer, obviously, spoke Ezekiels language otherwise he wouldn't have understood them so it is therefore logical to assume that the crew had observed the inhabitants of the region over a long period, learning the language and their customs. According to the account in the Old Testament, the experiences took place over a total of twenty years.
  
  Ezekiel was an observant chronicler, he was impressed by the gleam of the metal and the noise of the ship, by the extended stilt-like legs of the landing capsule. The commanding officers protective suit looked like 'burnished brass', he compared the rotar blades of what may have been something like a helicopter to living creatures. He tries several times to find words for the noise that accompanies the 'phenomenon' but as he cannot conceive of louder noises he uses similes such as the noise of great waters or the noise of a host.
  
  So if we are to believe the texts was Ezekiel visited by 'Spacemen' or 'Time Travellers'?
  
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  Posted by LairigGhru (U5452625) on Saturday, 21st March 2009

  We can never finally know the answer to your question and it therefore seems a pointless exercise to endlessly speculate on it. Let's just get on with our lives.

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  Posted by DocFortune (U13867284) on Saturday, 21st March 2009

  To LairiyGhru
  
  Hmm your post is disappointing, I mean what if the cavemen had not speculated how to create & maintain fire, what if they had your attitude and just decided to 'get on with their lives' without it? Perhaps we would not be in the position to debate such things. If you are of this position why did you waste your time replying in the first place?
  
  As for not ever being able to know for sure I think you are mistaken, look at some of the other posts on this messageboards, particularly the ones with regard to heiroglyphs, should we not continue to try to decipher them? Is it a waste of time because we cannot be certain what they actually say?
  
  Stimulating intellectual debate is the cornerstone of modern humanity and should be encouraged.
  
  At least thats my position on the subject.
  
  Thankyou for your post all the same.
  
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  Posted by -frederik- (U13721647) on Saturday, 21st March 2009

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  Need I say more?
  
  2) We seem to be evolving to a species with four faces then? And four wings too!? Can't wait!
  
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  Behind this scene is an entire system of symbolics and ideas of how a god would show himself. Also mister Prophet probably wanted to get people to be interested in what he had to say, so the more spectacular the better?
  
  By the way: Who are we (humble mortals) to decide how an omnipresent god would want to show himself?
  
  There is one part in your theory that souds kind of like stargate.. Oh well, I guess anything is possible.

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  Posted by TheodericAur (U13724457) on Sunday, 22nd March 2009

  Hi Doc Fortune
  
  If you want to delve deeper into this vein you should read some of Erich von D盲niken鈥檚 books in which he analyses the very event you are referring to and comes to a remarkably similar conclusion.
  
  He goes on to describe other 鈥渁lien鈥� events in the bible and other places and his books (eg Chariots of the Gods) are certainly worth a read and have even after 25 years held their mystery of the description of technologies that frankly we cannot explain fully.
  
  
  
  Hope this helps
  
  Kind Regards 鈥� TA
  

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  Posted by Anglo-Norman (U1965016) on Sunday, 22nd March 2009

  Sun, 22 Mar 2009 18:02 GMT, in reply to DocFortune in message 1
  
  If we are to believe the Old Testament, a very terrifying event took place in the year 592BC. The Prophet Ezekiel described it.聽
  
  In quoting Ezekiel, you have very carefully edited out a key part of the text:
  
  "Now it came to pass in the thirtieth year, in the fourth month, in the fifth day of the month, as I was among the captives by the river of Chebar, that the heavens were opened, AND I SAW VISIONS OF GOD" (my emphasis).
  
  Even Ezekiel was not claiming it was a real event!
  

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  Posted by DocFortune (U13867284) on Sunday, 22nd March 2009

  Hi TheodericAur,
  
  Thanks for your post, I do not wish you to think that the conclusion arrived at is strictly my own and indeed Erich Von Daniken's excellent books (of which I have a few) have been a great source of information for me whilst investigating strange mysteries of the ancient world.
  
  I hope that by transcribing some of his ideas & thoughts, along with some of my own, other people may take an interest in this subject and wish to investigate further.
  
  Thanks for the link but I never like to rely on Wikipedia due to the many inaccuracies it contains.
  
  Regards
  
  DocFortune

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  Posted by DocFortune (U13867284) on Sunday, 22nd March 2009

  Hi Anglo-Norman
  
  Thanks for your post, I agree that what Ezekiel experienced may well have been a "vision" but my point is that he either had an extremely vivid imagination to think up such things, things which he could have no comprehension of in 592BC, or he did in fact witness a spaceship & it's crew, as strange as THAT may sound.
  
  Many other 'Prophets' have described having visions of God, several include the God travelling in a 'vehicle' but none quite describe the metallic vehicle which Ezekiel does, complete with its rounded or dome like shape and four stilt-like legs with propellers.
  
  For it to have been simply an hallucination it was a very detailed one.
  
  Regards
  
  DocFortune

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  Posted by MendipTim (U13707598) on Monday, 23rd March 2009

  Hi,
  
  It sounds like the Apollo Lunar Landers! As they couldn't possibly get to the Moon & had to land somewhere that modern humans wouldn't see them, they must have chosen to go back a couple of millennia.
  
  Back to the serious side: the story is very interesting as it is far from alone. It would appear that in almost every culture since the dawn of humans including now, there are stories concerning some type of flight by humans or human-type beings (Gods 0r Aliens). Virtually every religion has had a notion of 3 strata of existence along the lines of; Heaven, Earth, & the Underworld.
  
  Today with air travel, space flights & powerful telescopes its easy to understand why a large number of sane people might believe in UFOs & Alien visitors as it isn't much different to what we are doing. Modern history tells us that a couple of French brothers invented flying with their Balloon. We are supposed to accept that in 500,000 years of fire & watching birds soar that no one had realised hot air rises. Of course not, they were far too busy dragging 10 ton stones 100s of miles to realise that hot air could do the job for them in a couple of weeks.
  
  If we accept the current propaganda & deny the possibility of early flight then these stories are even more extraordinary. Humans do not fly, we are a mainly land surface creature. To be telling stories of flying & alien visits in a time before the notion of flight would be even more zany than the most extreme ideas of today. However these stories don't come from a group of insane quacks; they come from the very root of all religious texts, from respected philosophers & historians of all cultures: sources that would not risk ridicule from the unbelieving masses.
  
  All the stories have been through a soup of historical translations & interpretations but at the core of all of them is that either human flight or alien invasion existed. For the stories to have survived means that the general populace then & since also accepted that existence. There seems to be something in the very soul of humans that links us to Worlds beyond ours. Who hasn't felt that glow of happiness when an unknown star briefly appears between the clouds on a dark night?

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  Posted by LairigGhru (U5452625) on Monday, 23rd March 2009

  Perhaps the eating of magic mushrooms or the like by Ezekiel is the true explanation? That at least is a plausible explanation put forward for the writing of the highly apocalyptic Revelations by St. John the Divine centuries after Ezekiel.
  
  As Scrooge said to the ghost of Marley, "There's more of gravy than of grave about you, whatever you are!"

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  Posted by MendipTim (U13707598) on Monday, 23rd March 2009

  It can't have been Mushrooms - Where is the Snake?
  
  
  & they weren't pixies; & it wasn't a flying Teapot!

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  Posted by Andrew Host (U1683626) on Tuesday, 24th March 2009

  Hi DocFortune,
  
  Given that your point is about an unusual interpretation of what is generally understood to be a highly symbolic vision of God, it is rather more suited to the religion boards.
  
  You are welcome to repost your message on the Religion boards:
  
  
  
  Cheers
  
  Andrew
  
  

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