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For more information, and our terms of use, go to bbc.co.uk/ouch.}{\rtlch\fcs1 \af0 \ltrch\fcs0 \insrsid15950312 \par }\pard \ltrpar\ql \li0\ri0\widctlpar\wrapdefault\aspalpha\aspnum\faauto\adjustright\rin0\lin0\itap0\pararsid1207001 {\rtlch\fcs1 \af0 \ltrch\fcs0 \insrsid15950312 \par \par \par LIZ\tab \tab Hi, I'm Liz Carr this month no it's not Mat Fraser it's Simon Minty. \par \par }\pard \ltrpar\ql \fi-1440\li1440\ri0\widctlpar\wrapdefault\aspalpha\aspnum\faauto\adjustright\rin0\lin1440\itap0\pararsid5767925 {\rtlch\fcs1 \af0 \ltrch\fcs0 \insrsid15950312 SIMON\tab All right, Liz, lovely to be back. On today's show Ian Dury the late, great disabled rock star who is the inspiration behind Reasons To Be Cheerful, a musical about to take to the road. Two members of the cast will be joining us from the studio. \par }\pard \ltrpar\ql \li0\ri0\widctlpar\wrapdefault\aspalpha\aspnum\faauto\adjustright\rin0\lin0\itap0\pararsid1207001 {\rtlch\fcs1 \af0 \ltrch\fcs0 \insrsid15950312 \par }\pard \ltrpar\ql \fi-1440\li1440\ri0\widctlpar\wrapdefault\aspalpha\aspnum\faauto\adjustright\rin0\lin1440\itap0\pararsid5767925 {\rtlch\fcs1 \af0 \ltrch\fcs0 \insrsid15950312 LIZ\tab In about ten minutes catch up on some top disability stories with our resident newshound Rob Crossan. \par }\pard \ltrpar\ql \li0\ri0\widctlpar\wrapdefault\aspalpha\aspnum\faauto\adjustright\rin0\lin0\itap0\pararsid1207001 {\rtlch\fcs1 \af0 \ltrch\fcs0 \insrsid15950312 \par }\pard \ltrpar\ql \fi-1440\li1440\ri0\widctlpar\wrapdefault\aspalpha\aspnum\faauto\adjustright\rin0\lin1440\itap0\pararsid5767925 {\rtlch\fcs1 \af0 \ltrch\fcs0 \insrsid15950312 SIMON\tab And Ginger The Cat by Jo Langston is the title of this month's music track. Jo will be popping in at the end of the show to tell us all about the Orpheus Project where there's very original songs created. \par }\pard \ltrpar\ql \li0\ri0\widctlpar\wrapdefault\aspalpha\aspnum\faauto\adjustright\rin0\lin0\itap0\pararsid1207001 {\rtlch\fcs1 \af0 \ltrch\fcs0 \insrsid15950312 \par }\pard \ltrpar\ql \fi-1440\li1440\ri0\widctlpar\wrapdefault\aspalpha\aspnum\faauto\adjustright\rin0\lin1440\itap0\pararsid5767925 {\rtlch\fcs1 \af0 \ltrch\fcs0 \insrsid15950312 LIZ\tab Plus the Veg quiz, acres of disability chatter and a few surprises as well, so stay with us, we won't cure you but we might make you stronger. \par }\pard \ltrpar\ql \li0\ri0\widctlpar\wrapdefault\aspalpha\aspnum\faauto\adjustright\rin0\lin0\itap0\pararsid1207001 {\rtlch\fcs1 \af0 \ltrch\fcs0 \insrsid15950312 \par [Jingle: From the 主播大秀 in London it's the Ouch Talk Show] \par \par SIMON\tab \tab Did you have a good Sunday evening did you, Liz? \par \par LIZ \tab \tab Oh I had a very interesting Sunday but more of that later I think. \par \par SIMON\tab \tab Yeah but I've seen a picture. \par \par }\pard \ltrpar\ql \fi-1440\li1440\ri0\widctlpar\wrapdefault\aspalpha\aspnum\faauto\adjustright\rin0\lin1440\itap0\pararsid5767925 {\rtlch\fcs1 \af0 \ltrch\fcs0 \insrsid15950312 LIZ\tab Anyway, so I've had a good month, I'll be honest. No, no I have apart from Sunday which was yeah anyway we'll talk about Sunday later. I've had a week in Cornwall in a cottage, very lovely, on a farm and I have had no internet. No... \par }\pard \ltrpar\ql \li0\ri0\widctlpar\wrapdefault\aspalpha\aspnum\faauto\adjustright\rin0\lin0\itap0\pararsid1207001 {\rtlch\fcs1 \af0 \ltrch\fcs0 \insrsid15950312 \par SIMON\tab \tab Was that quite hard for you, you're quite a fan. \par \par }\pard \ltrpar\ql \fi-1440\li1440\ri0\widctlpar\wrapdefault\aspalpha\aspnum\faauto\adjustright\rin0\lin1440\itap0\pararsid5767925 {\rtlch\fcs1 \af0 \ltrch\fcs0 \insrsid15950312 LIZ\tab Oh you know I don't know how many times I check my emails every day "Oh I'll just check, oh there's no one, I wonder if there is 30 seconds later" no really I can be like that and it was amazing, we just couldn't get it, the place where we were staying didn't have it and my donglely thingy you know where you can get your roving internet that didn't work. \par }\pard \ltrpar\ql \li0\ri0\widctlpar\wrapdefault\aspalpha\aspnum\faauto\adjustright\rin0\lin0\itap0\pararsid1207001 {\rtlch\fcs1 \af0 \ltrch\fcs0 \insrsid15950312 \par SIMON\tab \tab What about your phone - did you have a reception? \par \par }\pard \ltrpar\ql \fi-1440\li1440\ri0\widctlpar\wrapdefault\aspalpha\aspnum\faauto\adjustright\rin0\lin1440\itap0\pararsid5767925 {\rtlch\fcs1 \af0 \ltrch\fcs0 \insrsid15950312 LIZ\tab I don't have... oh I had recept ion on the phone but I don't have the internet on the phone. \par }\pard \ltrpar\ql \li0\ri0\widctlpar\wrapdefault\aspalpha\aspnum\faauto\adjustright\rin0\lin0\itap0\pararsid1207001 {\rtlch\fcs1 \af0 \ltrch\fcs0 \insrsid15950312 \par SIMON\tab \tab Right, you were really cut off properly. \par \par }\pard \ltrpar\ql \fi-1440\li1440\ri0\widctlpar\wrapdefault\aspalpha\aspnum\faauto\adjustright\rin0\lin1440\itap0\pararsid5767925 {\rtlch\fcs1 \af0 \ltrch\fcs0 \insrsid15950312 LIZ\tab It was really... it was back in what it must have been like, I don't know, in the '80s and the '90s it took me back. \par }\pard \ltrpar\ql \li0\ri0\widctlpar\wrapdefault\aspalpha\aspnum\faauto\adjustright\rin0\lin0\itap0\pararsid1207001 {\rtlch\fcs1 \af0 \ltrch\fcs0 \insrsid15950312 \par SIMON\tab \tab Crazy, can you remember those times? \par \par LIZ\tab \tab Took me right back. \par \par SIMON\tab \tab What were you doing there? \par \par }\pard \ltrpar\ql \fi-1440\li1440\ri0\widctlpar\wrapdefault\aspalpha\aspnum\faauto\adjustright\rin0\lin1440\itap0\pararsid5767925 {\rtlch\fcs1 \af0 \ltrch\fcs0 \insrsid15950312 LIZ\tab We were there for a bit of a holiday and you know because I'd say we're staying at home and having our holidays in England this year. \par }\pard \ltrpar\ql \li0\ri0\widctlpar\wrapdefault\aspalpha\aspnum\faauto\adjustright\rin0\lin0\itap0\pararsid1207001 {\rtlch\fcs1 \af0 \ltrch\fcs0 \insrsid15950312 \par SIMON\tab \tab Staycation. \par \par }\pard \ltrpar\ql \fi-1440\li1440\ri0\widctlpar\wrapdefault\aspalpha\aspnum\faauto\adjustright\rin0\lin1440\itap0\pararsid5767925 {\rtlch\fcs1 \af0 \ltrch\fcs0 \insrsid15950312 LIZ\tab Staycation \'f1 very trendy to staycate. I was doing that. And I was making wedding rings. \par }\pard \ltrpar\ql \li0\ri0\widctlpar\wrapdefault\aspalpha\aspnum\faauto\adjustright\rin0\lin0\itap0\pararsid1207001 {\rtlch\fcs1 \af0 \ltrch\fcs0 \insrsid15950312 \par SIMON\tab \tab You... \par \par LIZ\tab \tab Simon, there's a gap. \par \par SIMON\tab \tab You yourself were making wedding rings or you were... \par \par LIZ\tab \tab Yes it's not a new career whereas I'm like... \par \par SIMON\tab \tab A craft week. \par \par LIZ\tab \tab ... working in a factory as a wedding ring maker. \par \par SIMON\tab \tab (inaudible) have diversified haven't they? \par \par LIZ\tab \tab Car parking attendant, lift attendant and wedding ring makers. \par \par SIMON\tab \tab Yeah that's a skill. \par \par LIZ\tab \tab No getting married later in the year and so... \par \par SIMON\tab \tab Of course. \par \par LIZ\tab \tab ... me and my partner decided to make our own wedding rings. \par \par SIMON\tab \tab That sounds terribly, terribly... \par \par LIZ\tab \tab We were knitting them. \par \par SIMON\tab \tab ... romantic. \par \par LIZ\tab \tab We weren't. \par \par }\pard \ltrpar\ql \fi-1440\li1440\ri0\widctlpar\wrapdefault\aspalpha\aspnum\faauto\adjustright\rin0\lin1440\itap0\pararsid5767925 {\rtlch\fcs1 \af0 \ltrch\fcs0 \insrsid15950312 SIMON\tab I ignored the knitting bit but that sounds a really romantic lovely thing to do. Are they all done, I mean, what happens now? \par }\pard \ltrpar\ql \li0\ri0\widctlpar\wrapdefault\aspalpha\aspnum\faauto\adjustright\rin0\lin0\itap0\pararsid1207001 {\rtlch\fcs1 \af0 \ltrch\fcs0 \insrsid15950312 \par }\pard \ltrpar\ql \fi-1440\li1440\ri0\widctlpar\wrapdefault\aspalpha\aspnum\faauto\adjustright\rin0\lin1440\itap0\pararsid5767925 {\rtlch\fcs1 \af0 \ltrch\fcs0 \insrsid15950312 LIZ\tab No they are, yeah they are. So it was just a day and you make them out of whatever metal you want and we went for the cheapest... \par }\pard \ltrpar\ql \li0\ri0\widctlpar\wrapdefault\aspalpha\aspnum\faauto\adjustright\rin0\lin0\itap0\pararsid1207001 {\rtlch\fcs1 \af0 \ltrch\fcs0 \insrsid15950312 \par SIMON\tab \tab Pewter? \par \par LIZ\tab \tab Wood, driftwood we found on the beach. \par \par SIMON\tab \tab Oh hang on you really did make them? \par \par }\pard \ltrpar\ql \fi-1440\li1440\ri0\widctlpar\wrapdefault\aspalpha\aspnum\faauto\adjustright\rin0\lin1440\itap0\pararsid5767925 {\rtlch\fcs1 \af0 \ltrch\fcs0 \insrsid15950312 LIZ\tab No, no you really... you buy the material and you go to a workshop and they show you how to mould the material and do what you want and have it at the right size and the right width and the right design and it was lovely. And they were very wheelchair accessible they'd done the whole thing, we don't have a ramp, but they didn't need one, bless them. And the attitudes were pretty good. The only problem is we don't like the rings we've made. The morning was great because you get the shell of your ring and that's great and we have shown them to one person who was a bit stunned that they look e d this good, they look very good it's not that they look really, you know, handmade and like oh my goodness like a three year old has made them sort of thing. They look great, but we've sort of gone, "Oh I don't really like them." So we've had to put them away and we're going to come back to them in a couple of weeks and see... \par }\pard \ltrpar\ql \li0\ri0\widctlpar\wrapdefault\aspalpha\aspnum\faauto\adjustright\rin0\lin0\itap0\pararsid1207001 {\rtlch\fcs1 \af0 \ltrch\fcs0 \insrsid15950312 \par SIMON\tab \tab That's a good idea. \par \par LIZ\tab \tab ... whether we like them or not. \par \par }\pard \ltrpar\ql \fi-1440\li1440\ri0\widctlpar\wrapdefault\aspalpha\aspnum\faauto\adjustright\rin0\lin1440\itap0\pararsid5767925 {\rtlch\fcs1 \af0 \ltrch\fcs0 \insrsid15950312 SIMON\tab Have a little pause. Years ago I went on a calligraphy weekend down in Dorset, what are you laughing at. \par }\pard \ltrpar\ql \li0\ri0\widctlpar\wrapdefault\aspalpha\aspnum\faauto\adjustright\rin0\lin0\itap0\pararsid1207001 {\rtlch\fcs1 \af0 \ltrch\fcs0 \insrsid15950312 \par LIZ\tab \tab I'm thinking how very 主播大秀 of you Simon. \par \par }\pard \ltrpar\ql \fi-1440\li1440\ri0\widctlpar\wrapdefault\aspalpha\aspnum\faauto\adjustright\rin0\lin1440\itap0\pararsid5767925 {\rtlch\fcs1 \af0 \ltrch\fcs0 \insrsid15950312 SIMON\tab But I used to do it as a child, you know, it's the art of writing but with thicker nibs. \par }\pard \ltrpar\ql \li0\ri0\widctlpar\wrapdefault\aspalpha\aspnum\faauto\adjustright\rin0\lin0\itap0\pararsid1207001 {\rtlch\fcs1 \af0 \ltrch\fcs0 \insrsid15950312 \par LIZ\tab \tab Is this special school education in a very posh area? \par \par SIMON\tab \tab Yeah from Surrey. \par \par }\pard \ltrpar\ql \fi-1440\li1440\ri0\widctlpar\wrapdefault\aspalpha\aspnum\faauto\adjustright\rin0\lin1440\itap0\pararsid5767925 {\rtlch\fcs1 \af0 \ltrch\fcs0 \insrsid15950312 LIZ\tab We don't m ake baskets we write with calligraphy. In fact we write (inaudible) \par }\pard \ltrpar\ql \li0\ri0\widctlpar\wrapdefault\aspalpha\aspnum\faauto\adjustright\rin0\lin0\itap0\pararsid1207001 {\rtlch\fcs1 \af0 \ltrch\fcs0 \insrsid15950312 \par }\pard \ltrpar\ql \fi-1440\li1440\ri0\widctlpar\wrapdefault\aspalpha\aspnum\faauto\adjustright\rin0\lin1440\itap0\pararsid5767925 {\rtlch\fcs1 \af0 \ltrch\fcs0 \insrsid15950312 SIMON\tab We started with crayons and then gradually you move up to your big fountain pen. My point being I went with my partner and it was just a gorgeous weekend to be away and doing somet hing like that. You mentioned Sunday, a little bit more revelation perhaps? It's not connected why you don't like the rings anymore? \par }\pard \ltrpar\ql \li0\ri0\widctlpar\wrapdefault\aspalpha\aspnum\faauto\adjustright\rin0\lin0\itap0\pararsid1207001 {\rtlch\fcs1 \af0 \ltrch\fcs0 \insrsid15950312 \par }\pard \ltrpar\ql \fi-1440\li1440\ri0\widctlpar\wrapdefault\aspalpha\aspnum\faauto\adjustright\rin0\lin1440\itap0\pararsid5767925 {\rtlch\fcs1 \af0 \ltrch\fcs0 \insrsid15950312 LIZ\tab I'd just like to say it's not rude what happened if you're thinking this is some big rude... no this is not Mat Fraser we're talking about, this is me. This was not a rude weekend at all, it was just something that happened that... \par }\pard \ltrpar\ql \li0\ri0\widctlpar\wrapdefault\aspalpha\aspnum\faauto\adjustright\rin0\lin0\itap0\pararsid1207001 {\rtlch\fcs1 \af0 \ltrch\fcs0 \insrsid15950312 \par }\pard \ltrpar\ql \fi-1440\li1440\ri0\widctlpar\wrapdefault\aspalpha\aspnum\faauto\adjustright\rin0\lin1440\itap0\pararsid5767925 {\rtlch\fcs1 \af0 \ltrch\fcs0 \insrsid15950312 SIMON\tab I had, for the listeners, I did get a text message early on Sunday evening saying did I want to go to this certain thing, and me being obviously very old and stupid said, "No I'll skip it I'm going to stay in." Liz Carr went. \par }\pard \ltrpar\ql \li0\ri0\widctlpar\wrapdefault\aspalpha\aspnum\faauto\adjustright\rin0\lin0\itap0\pararsid1207001 {\rtlch\fcs1 \af0 \ltrch\fcs0 \insrsid15950312 \par }\pard \ltrpar\ql \fi-1440\li1440\ri0\widctlpar\wrapdefault\aspalpha\aspnum\faauto\adjustright\rin0\lin1440\itap0\pararsid5767925 {\rtlch\fcs1 \af0 \ltrch\fcs0 \insrsid15950312 LIZ\tab Anyway more on that later. Yes anyway I'm not the only one with secrets, what about you? You're looking well and healthy, you're looking a bit tanned, Simon. A bit Dale Winton. \par }\pard \ltrpar\ql \li0\ri0\widctlpar\wrapdefault\aspalpha\aspnum\faauto\adjustright\rin0\lin0\itap0\pararsid1207001 {\rtlch\fcs1 \af0 \ltrch\fcs0 \insrsid15950312 \par }\pard \ltrpar\ql \fi-1440\li1440\ri0\widctlpar\wrapdefault\aspalpha\aspnum\faauto\adjustright\rin0\lin1440\itap0\pararsid5767925 {\rtlch\fcs1 \af0 \ltrch\fcs0 \insrsid15950312 SIMON\tab I think you're just getting me back this month I can feel something going on. Well actually I have been on holiday to Dubai, which was good. I think I mentioned it in my article recently on the Ouch website. \par }\pard \ltrpar\ql \li0\ri0\widctlpar\wrapdefault\aspalpha\aspnum\faauto\adjustright\rin0\lin0\itap0\pararsid1207001 {\rtlch\fcs1 \af0 \ltrch\fcs0 \insrsid15950312 \par LIZ\tab \tab Disability really is everywhere I'm telling you. \par \par SIMON\tab \tab You're telling me. \par \par LIZ\tab \tab Everywhere, everywhere. \par \par }\pard \ltrpar\ql \fi-1440\li1440\ri0\widctlpar\wrapdefault\aspalpha\aspnum\faauto\adjustright\rin0\lin1440\itap0\pararsid5767925 {\rtlch\fcs1 \af0 \ltrch\fcs0 \insrsid15950312 SIMON\tab In Dubai they have the ramps which I was so thrilled about but they're one in four in terms of gradient so they're a little bit fast. But I did cheat a little bit and I kind of feel really a bit pretentious that I've even done this, but I did go and have my first ever spray tan this month. And you know what, it's weird because I don't know you've got to stand semi-naked in front of some body you've never met which is pretty weird in itself. Yeah but then you have to turn round and they spray your various areas of your body. \par }\pard \ltrpar\ql \li0\ri0\widctlpar\wrapdefault\aspalpha\aspnum\faauto\adjustright\rin0\lin0\itap0\pararsid1207001 {\rtlch\fcs1 \af0 \ltrch\fcs0 \insrsid15950312 \par LIZ\tab \tab Wouldn't it be great if you were on a platform that rotated slowly? \par \par }\pard \ltrpar\ql \fi-1440\li1440\ri0\widctlpar\wrapdefault\aspalpha\aspnum\faauto\adjustright\rin0\lin1440\itap0\pararsid5767925 {\rtlch\fcs1 \af0 \ltrch\fcs0 \insrsid15950312 SIMON\tab A bit like (inaudible). You kno w what I'd love to go in one of these, it's like Great Ormond Street they used to do that and you used to stand and they'd take pictures of you. At least this time I was being sprayed. It got to the end and I went to pay and joy of joy, it was meant to be thirty pounds, and I got my thirty pounds out and she said, "You know what I'm only going to charge you twenty." And I said, for a joke, "What because you haven't used as much spray on me?" And she went, "Yeah." And I went, "All right I'll take that." I'm quite happy I had no shame. It was weird though, I mean it faded within three days and I thought blimey that's... \par }\pard \ltrpar\ql \li0\ri0\widctlpar\wrapdefault\aspalpha\aspnum\faauto\adjustright\rin0\lin0\itap0\pararsid1207001 {\rtlch\fcs1 \af0 \ltrch\fcs0 \insrsid15950312 \par LIZ\tab \tab Well you look well. \par \par SIMON\tab \tab Well thanks very much. \par \par LIZ\tab \tab And you got a bargain. \par \par SIMON\tab \tab But this is Dubai tan this isn't fake tan now. \par \par }\pard \ltrpar\ql \fi-1440\li1440\ri0\widctlpar\wrapdefault\aspalpha\aspnum\faauto\adjustright\rin0\lin1440\itap0\pararsid5767925 {\rtlch\fcs1 \af0 \ltrch\fcs0 \insrsid15950312 LIZ\tab Well a few months ago we talked about having hair removal, laser treatment, and I have my legs done because I can't shave my own legs, I can't reach them. \par }\pard \ltrpar\ql \li0\ri0\widctlpar\wrapdefault\aspalpha\aspnum\faauto\adjustright\rin0\lin0\itap0\pararsid1207001 {\rtlch\fcs1 \af0 \ltrch\fcs0 \insrsid15950312 \par SIMON\tab \tab Yeah okay. \par \par }\pard \ltrpar\ql \fi-1440\li1440\ri0\widctlpar\wrapdefault\aspalpha\aspnum\faauto\adjustright\rin0\lin1440\itap0\pararsid5767925 {\rtlch\fcs1 \af0 \ltrch\fcs0 \insrsid15950312 LIZ\tab So I have my legs lasered. And that's what they do with me they give me half price. \par }\pard \ltrpar\ql \li0\ri0\widctlpar\wrapdefault\aspalpha\aspnum\faauto\adjustright\rin0\lin0\itap0\pararsid1207001 {\rtlch\fcs1 \af0 \ltrch\fcs0 \insrsid15950312 \par SIMON\tab \tab It is a weird little quirk but you kind of think... \par \par LIZ\tab \tab You're quite chuffed aren't you? \par \par }\pard \ltrpar\ql \fi-1440\li1440\ri0\widctlpar\wrapdefault\aspalpha\aspnum\faauto\adjustright\rin0\lin1440\itap0\pararsid5767925 {\rtlch\fcs1 \af0 \ltrch\fcs0 \insrsid15950312 SIMON\tab I had no problem and I didn't feel I was playing a card I thought it was kind of a nice little in-gag. And yeah I suppose I didn't use as much tan. \par }\pard \ltrpar\ql \li0\ri0\widctlpar\wrapdefault\aspalpha\aspnum\faauto\adjustright\rin0\lin0\itap0\pararsid1207001 {\rtlch\fcs1 \af0 \ltrch\fcs0 \insrsid15950312 \par }\pard \ltrpar\ql \fi-1440\li1440\ri0\widctlpar\wrapdefault\aspalpha\aspnum\faauto\adjustright\rin0\lin1440\itap0\pararsid5767925 {\rtlch\fcs1 \af0 \ltrch\fcs0 \insrsid15950312 LIZ\tab While we were away I did have TV though thank God, no TV as well as no internet would have been a step too far. And I couldn't resist because it's the final year of Big Brother... \par }\pard \ltrpar\ql \li0\ri0\widctlpar\wrapdefault\aspalpha\aspnum\faauto\adjustright\rin0\lin0\itap0\pararsid1207001 {\rtlch\fcs1 \af0 \ltrch\fcs0 \insrsid15950312 \par SIMON\tab \tab You're such a big fan. \par \par }\pard \ltrpar\ql \fi-1440\li1440\ri0\widctlpar\wrapdefault\aspalpha\aspnum\faauto\adjustright\rin0\lin1440\itap0\pararsid5767925 {\rtlch\fcs1 \af0 \ltrch\fcs0 \insrsid15950312 LIZ\tab I have been a big fan over the years, Mat's always like, "No, no don't talk about Big Brother" but we had the wonderful Nicky Graham in. \par }\pard \ltrpar\ql \li0\ri0\widctlpar\wrapdefault\aspalpha\aspnum\faauto\adjustright\rin0\lin0\itap0\pararsid1207001 {\rtlch\fcs1 \af0 \ltrch\fcs0 \insrsid15950312 \par SIMON\tab \tab Yes. \par \par }\pard \ltrpar\ql \fi-1440\li1440\ri0\widctlpar\wrapdefault\aspalpha\aspnum\faauto\adjustright\rin0\lin1440\itap0\pararsid5767925 {\rtlch\fcs1 \af0 \ltrch\fcs0 \insrsid15950312 LIZ\tab Yeah and talking very, very openly about her eating disorders and fascinating woman, but she's in there. \par }\pard \ltrpar\ql \li0\ri0\widctlpar\wrapdefault\aspalpha\aspnum\faauto\adjustright\rin0\lin0\itap0\pararsid1207001 {\rtlch\fcs1 \af0 \ltrch\fcs0 \insrsid15950312 \par SIMON\tab \tab She's gone back in. \par \par }\pard \ltrpar\ql \fi-1440\li1440\ri0\widctlpar\wrapdefault\aspalpha\aspnum\faauto\adjustright\rin0\lin1440\itap0\pararsid5767925 {\rtlch\fcs1 \af0 \ltrch\fcs0 \insrsid15950312 LIZ\tab She's gone back in. Final two weeks it's like the best non celeb and celeb people. \par }\pard \ltrpar\ql \li0\ri0\widctlpar\wrapdefault\aspalpha\aspnum\faauto\adjustright\rin0\lin0\itap0\pararsid1207001 {\rtlch\fcs1 \af0 \ltrch\fcs0 \insrsid15950312 \par SIMON\tab \tab Okay. \par \par }\pard \ltrpar\ql \fi-1440\li1440\ri0\widctlpar\wrapdefault\aspalpha\aspnum\faauto\adjustright\rin0\lin1440\itap0\pararsid5767925 {\rtlch\fcs1 \af0 \ltrch\fcs0 \insrsid15950312 LIZ\tab Okay for a final kind of everything Big Brother can throw at them and she went in. And my heart, whilst I wanted to see her again my heart was like, "Oh what are you doing going in there? Haven't you been institutionalised enough?" I was like her mother. I'm worried for her. \par }\pard \ltrpar\ql \li0\ri0\widctlpar\wrapdefault\aspalpha\aspnum\faauto\adjustright\rin0\lin0\itap0\pararsid1207001 {\rtlch\fcs1 \af0 \ltrch\fcs0 \insrsid15950312 \par }\pard \ltrpar\ql \fi-1440\li1440\ri0\widctlpar\wrapdefault\aspalpha\aspnum\faauto\adjustright\rin0\lin1440\itap0\pararsid5767925 {\rtlch\fcs1 \af0 \ltrch\fcs0 \insrsid15950312 SIMON\tab I mean she was pretty awesome when she came in on the Talk Show. \par }\pard \ltrpar\ql \li0\ri0\widctlpar\wrapdefault\aspalpha\aspnum\faauto\adjustright\rin0\lin0\itap0\pararsid1207001 {\rtlch\fcs1 \af0 \ltrch\fcs0 \insrsid15950312 \par }\pard \ltrpar\ql \fi-1440\li1440\ri0\widctlpar\wrapdefault\aspalpha\aspnum\faauto\adjustright\rin0\lin1440\itap0\pararsid5767925 {\rtlch\fcs1 \af0 \ltrch\fcs0 \insrsid15950312 LIZ\tab No she absolutely was. But it was all right because after the second day the bit of footage that they showed was her in the kitchen eating and I thought, "Good, now keep that down. Keep that down" as long as she's eating I'm happy. \par }\pard \ltrpar\ql \li0\ri0\widctlpar\wrapdefault\aspalpha\aspnum\faauto\adjustright\rin0\lin0\itap0\pararsid1207001 {\rtlch\fcs1 \af0 \ltrch\fcs0 \insrsid15950312 \par SIMON\tab \tab And she's known for her tantrums and stuff isn't she? \par \par }\pard \ltrpar\ql \fi-1440\li1440\ri0\widctlpar\wrapdefault\aspalpha\aspnum\faauto\adjustright\rin0\lin1440\itap0\pararsid5767925 {\rtlch\fcs1 \af0 \ltrch\fcs0 \insrsid15950312 LIZ\tab "Who is she? Who is she?" What was upsetting I think is having interviewed her and her not being anything like she'd been portrayed on TV, that before she went in the Big Brother house everyone was like, "Oh she's the annoying one, the tantrumy one. Oh I'm not going to let her play her games with me" and I just thought actually it was a good lesson because it's like she's not like that at all. She's a good woman and she just yeah. \par }\pard \ltrpar\ql \li0\ri0\widctlpar\wrapdefault\aspalpha\aspnum\faauto\adjustright\rin0\lin0\itap0\pararsid1207001 {\rtlch\fcs1 \af0 \ltrch\fcs0 \insrsid15950312 \par }\pard \ltrpar\ql \fi-1440\li1440\ri0\widctlpar\wrapdefault\aspalpha\aspnum\faauto\adjustright\rin0\lin1440\itap0\pararsid5767925 {\rtlch\fcs1 \af0 \ltrch\fcs0 \insrsid15950312 SIMON\tab And if you want there's an original... all the original podcasts are still available. We even had an email, I love this email, it's from Michael Jones. He says, "I've just discovered the Ouch podcast and after a lengthy download to my smart phone I'm now listening to the m from the start. I reckon I'll be caught up in a couple of months, so far I'm loving it. Thanks much muchly." So hopefully he'll hear this around Christmas but by then he will have gone back and listened to Nicky Graham's interview maybe. \par }\pard \ltrpar\ql \li0\ri0\widctlpar\wrapdefault\aspalpha\aspnum\faauto\adjustright\rin0\lin0\itap0\pararsid1207001 {\rtlch\fcs1 \af0 \ltrch\fcs0 \insrsid15950312 \par }\pard \ltrpar\ql \fi-1440\li1440\ri0\widctlpar\wrapdefault\aspalpha\aspnum\faauto\adjustright\rin0\lin1440\itap0\pararsid5767925 {\rtlch\fcs1 \af0 \ltrch\fcs0 \insrsid15950312 LIZ\tab And don't forget keep contributing, keep sending your emails as always to ouch@bbc.co.uk. \par }\pard \ltrpar\ql \li0\ri0\widctlpar\wrapdefault\aspalpha\aspnum\faauto\adjustright\rin0\lin0\itap0\pararsid1207001 {\rtlch\fcs1 \af0 \ltrch\fcs0 \insrsid15950312 \par [Jingle: You're listening to the Ouch Talk Show.] \par \par Hello, Rob, welcome. \par \par ROB\tab \tab Hello Liz, hello Simon. \par \par LIZ\tab \tab So, Rob, have you listened to all of our podcasts? \par \par }\pard \ltrpar\ql \fi-1440\li1440\ri0\widctlpar\wrapdefault\aspalpha\aspnum\faauto\adjustright\rin0\lin1440\itap0\pararsid5767925 {\rtlch\fcs1 \af0 \ltrch\fcs0 \insrsid15950312 ROB\tab I li stened to the more recent ones but there were definitely some occasions in my Roving Rob era where I was too ashamed to listen to some of the things that I got up to essentially. \par }\pard \ltrpar\ql \li0\ri0\widctlpar\wrapdefault\aspalpha\aspnum\faauto\adjustright\rin0\lin0\itap0\pararsid1207001 {\rtlch\fcs1 \af0 \ltrch\fcs0 \insrsid15950312 \par LIZ\tab \tab And now you're back of course as our newshounds. \par \par ROB\tab \tab And everything's useable again. \par \par LIZ\tab \tab Why are you always the newshound? \par \par }\pard \ltrpar\ql \fi-1440\li1440\ri0\widctlpar\wrapdefault\aspalpha\aspnum\faauto\adjustright\rin0\lin1440\itap0\pararsid5767925 {\rtlch\fcs1 \af0 \ltrch\fcs0 \insrsid15950312 ROB\tab I didn't give myself this title. I prefer to be a headline pooch if that's all right? \par }\pard \ltrpar\ql \li0\ri0\widctlpar\wrapdefault\aspalpha\aspnum\faauto\adjustright\rin0\lin0\itap0\pararsid1207001 {\rtlch\fcs1 \af0 \ltrch\fcs0 \insrsid15950312 \par }\pard \ltrpar\ql \fi-1440\li1440\ri0\widctlpar\wrapdefault\aspalpha\aspnum\faauto\adjustright\rin0\lin1440\itap0\pararsid5767925 {\rtlch\fcs1 \af0 \ltrch\fcs0 \insrsid15950312 LIZ\tab Well, poochy your first story today we may need to worry about forgetting our meds again apparently. \par }\pard \ltrpar\ql \li0\ri0\widctlpar\wrapdefault\aspalpha\aspnum\faauto\adjustright\rin0\lin0\itap0\pararsid1207001 {\rtlch\fcs1 \af0 \ltrch\fcs0 \insrsid15950312 \par }\pard \ltrpar\ql \fi-1440\li1440\ri0\widctlpar\wrapdefault\aspalpha\aspnum\faauto\adjustright\rin0\lin1440\itap0\pararsid5767925 {\rtlch\fcs1 \af0 \ltrch\fcs0 \insrsid15950312 ROB\tab Yes this is a trial scheme that the NHS are launching, or have launched should I say, I think it's a hospital in London. I think it's where they've started. Essentially this is quite actually amazing. It's a pill which has got a microchip attached to it. So you swallow the pill and you have a plaster on your arm which has a sensor attached to it, and if you stop taking your medicine, if you forget or feel too well and feel a bit cocky and decide you don't want to take it anymore, then the sensor actually goes off, bleeps and sends a message to your cell phone where it will text you and remind you to take your medicine. \par }\pard \ltrpar\ql \li0\ri0\widctlpar\wrapdefault\aspalpha\aspnum\faauto\adjustright\rin0\lin0\itap0\pararsid1207001 {\rtlch\fcs1 \af0 \ltrch\fcs0 \insrsid15950312 \par SIMON\tab \tab That sounds remarkable. So the pill has got the microchip. \par \par ROB\tab \tab The microchip in it. \par \par }\pard \ltrpar\ql \fi-1440\li1440\ri0\widctlpar\wrapdefault\aspalpha\aspnum\faauto\adjustright\rin0\lin1440\itap0\pararsid5767925 {\rtlch\fcs1 \af0 \ltrch\fcs0 \insrsid15950312 SIMON\tab So when the pill fades and three hours later it's done its work this sends up a signal? \par }\pard \ltrpar\ql \li0\ri0\widctlpar\wrapdefault\aspalpha\aspnum\faauto\adjustright\rin0\lin0\itap0\pararsid1207001 {\rtlch\fcs1 \af0 \ltrch\fcs0 \insrsid15950312 \par }\pard \ltrpar\ql \fi-1440\li1440\ri0\widctlpar\wrapdefault\aspalpha\aspnum\faauto\adjustright\rin0\lin1440\itap0\pararsid5767925 {\rtlch\fcs1 \af0 \ltrch\fcs0 \insrsid15950312 ROB\tab If you don't take the medication as regularly as the microchip is programmed to... \par }\pard \ltrpar\ql \li0\ri0\widctlpar\wrapdefault\aspalpha\aspnum\faauto\adjustright\rin0\lin0\itap0\pararsid1207001 {\rtlch\fcs1 \af0 \ltrch\fcs0 \insrsid15950312 \par SIMON\tab \tab Dear oh dear. \par \par }\pard \ltrpar\ql \fi-1440\li1440\ri0\widctlpar\wrapdefault\aspalpha\aspnum\faauto\adjustright\rin0\lin1440\itap0\pararsid5767925 {\rtlch\fcs1 \af0 \ltrch\fcs0 \insrsid15950312 ROB\tab ... expect it to be in your system then the sensor in your plaster is activated and a text message is sent to you saying "Remember to take you medication." \par }\pard \ltrpar\ql \li0\ri0\widctlpar\wrapdefault\aspalpha\aspnum\faauto\adjustright\rin0\lin0\itap0\pararsid1207001 {\rtlch\fcs1 \af0 \ltrch\fcs0 \insrsid15950312 \par }\pard \ltrpar\ql \fi-1440\li1440\ri0\widctlpar\wrapdefault\aspalpha\aspnum\faauto\adjustright\rin0\lin1440\itap0\pararsid6167293 {\rtlch\fcs1 \af0 \ltrch\fcs0 \insrsid15950312 LIZ\tab I'm a bit scared because it feels a little bit like CCTV for the body. Do you know what I mean? \par }\pard \ltrpar\ql \li0\ri0\widctlpar\wrapdefault\aspalpha\aspnum\faauto\adjustright\rin0\lin0\itap0\pararsid1207001 {\rtlch\fcs1 \af0 \ltrch\fcs0 \insrsid15950312 \par ROB\tab \tab You wonder what else they're going to find in there. \par \par LIZ\tab \tab Absolutely. \par \par }\pard \ltrpar\ql \fi-1440\li1440\ri0\widctlpar\wrapdefault\aspalpha\aspnum\faauto\adjustright\rin0\lin1440\itap0\pararsid6167293 {\rtlch\fcs1 \af0 \ltrch\fcs0 \insrsid15950312 ROB\tab Well it is, it's going to get to the point where that's going to go in food as well isn't it. "Should you have had that fourth Snickers?" It's slightly distressing. \par }\pard \ltrpar\ql \li0\ri0\widctlpar\wrapdefault\aspalpha\aspnum\faauto\adjustright\rin0\lin0\itap0\pararsid1207001 {\rtlch\fcs1 \af0 \ltrch\fcs0 \insrsid15950312 \par LIZ\tab \tab If you don't have your five a day. \par \par }\pard \ltrpar\ql \fi-1440\li1440\ri0\widctlpar\wrapdefault\aspalpha\aspnum\faauto\adjustright\rin0\lin1440\itap0\pararsid6167293 {\rtlch\fcs1 \af0 \ltrch\fcs0 \insrsid15950312 ROB\tab And the other thing is that not only will it text you and tell you to take your medicine it will also... \par }\pard \ltrpar\ql \li0\ri0\widctlpar\wrapdefault\aspalpha\aspnum\faauto\adjustright\rin0\lin0\itap0\pararsid1207001 {\rtlch\fcs1 \af0 \ltrch\fcs0 \insrsid15950312 \par LIZ\tab \tab Text your mum. \par \par }\pard \ltrpar\ql \fi-1440\li1440\ri0\widctlpar\wrapdefault\aspalpha\aspnum\faauto\adjustright\rin0\lin1440\itap0\pararsid6167293 {\rtlch\fcs1 \af0 \ltrch\fcs0 \insrsid15950312 ROB\tab ... text your GP and your parents and your family and tell them young Tommy is about to have an episode. \par }\pard \ltrpar\ql \li0\ri0\widctlpar\wrapdefault\aspalpha\aspnum\faauto\adjustright\rin0\lin0\itap0\pararsid1207001 {\rtlch\fcs1 \af0 \ltrch\fcs0 \insrsid15950312 \par }\pard \ltrpar\ql \fi-1440\li1440\ri0\widctlpar\wrapdefault\aspalpha\aspnum\faauto\adjustright\rin0\lin1440\itap0\pararsid6167293 {\rtlch\fcs1 \af0 \ltrch\fcs0 \insrsid15950312 SIMON\tab Now I'm wondering if there's a link here because I heard on the radio this morning there was someone who was stopped getting on to an aeroplane because they had a bottle of medicine strapped to a mobile phone. Now me being me the first thing I thought of was not this is a bomb, I thought oh this is someone who's (inaudible) the phone, it's got an alarm on the phone to wake them up to take their medication. \par }\pard \ltrpar\ql \li0\ri0\widctlpar\wrapdefault\aspalpha\aspnum\faauto\adjustright\rin0\lin0\itap0\pararsid1207001 {\rtlch\fcs1 \af0 \ltrch\fcs0 \insrsid15950312 \par ROB\tab \tab That's why you don't work in airline security, Simon. \par \par }\pard \ltrpar\ql \fi-1440\li1440\ri0\widctlpar\wrapdefault\aspalpha\aspnum\faauto\adjustright\rin0\lin1440\itap0\pararsid6167293 {\rtlch\fcs1 \af0 \ltrch\fcs0 \insrsid15950312 SIMON\tab My innocence is so sad. But I'm kind o f wondering if you've got this microchip then what happens when you do go through airport security? \par }\pard \ltrpar\ql \li0\ri0\widctlpar\wrapdefault\aspalpha\aspnum\faauto\adjustright\rin0\lin0\itap0\pararsid1207001 {\rtlch\fcs1 \af0 \ltrch\fcs0 \insrsid15950312 \par }\pard \ltrpar\ql \fi-1440\li1440\ri0\widctlpar\wrapdefault\aspalpha\aspnum\faauto\adjustright\rin0\lin1440\itap0\pararsid6167293 {\rtlch\fcs1 \af0 \ltrch\fcs0 \insrsid15950312 ROB\tab Well I imagine it would send it completely loopy wouldn't it I'm almost certain it would. \par }\pard \ltrpar\ql \li0\ri0\widctlpar\wrapdefault\aspalpha\aspnum\faauto\adjustright\rin0\lin0\itap0\pararsid1207001 {\rtlch\fcs1 \af0 \ltrch\fcs0 \insrsid15950312 \par }\pard \ltrpar\ql \fi-1440\li1440\ri0\widctlpar\wrapdefault\aspalpha\aspnum\faauto\adjustright\rin0\lin1440\itap0\pararsid6167293 {\rtlch\fcs1 \af0 \ltrch\fcs0 \insrsid15950312 SIMON\tab Rob, this is something our taxpayer money is being used to fund sex for disabled people. \par }\pard \ltrpar\ql \li0\ri0\widctlpar\wrapdefault\aspalpha\aspnum\faauto\adjustright\rin0\lin0\itap0\pararsid1207001 {\rtlch\fcs1 \af0 \ltrch\fcs0 \insrsid15950312 \par }\pard \ltrpar\ql \fi-1440\li1440\ri0\widctlpar\wrapdefault\aspalpha\aspnum\faauto\adjustright\rin0\lin1440\itap0\pararsid6167293 {\rtlch\fcs1 \af0 \ltrch\fcs0 \insrsid15950312 ROB\tab Well is it and this has been quite well documented I think already. And I think the main point of this is... the tabloids have launched on to the fact that disabled people can now get funding from local council s to assist them in having an active sex life. But obviously a lot of this money isn't going towards that at all, it's going towards ordinary things like carers and what have you. \par }\pard \ltrpar\ql \li0\ri0\widctlpar\wrapdefault\aspalpha\aspnum\faauto\adjustright\rin0\lin0\itap0\pararsid1207001 {\rtlch\fcs1 \af0 \ltrch\fcs0 \insrsid15950312 \par }\pard \ltrpar\ql \fi-1440\li1440\ri0\widctlpar\wrapdefault\aspalpha\aspnum\faauto\adjustright\rin0\lin1440\itap0\pararsid6167293 {\rtlch\fcs1 \af0 \ltrch\fcs0 \insrsid15950312 LIZ\tab What's the amount that's being bandied about it's like \'a3540 or \'a3 560 million is going towards paying for us all to have sex. \par }\pard \ltrpar\ql \li0\ri0\widctlpar\wrapdefault\aspalpha\aspnum\faauto\adjustright\rin0\lin0\itap0\pararsid1207001 {\rtlch\fcs1 \af0 \ltrch\fcs0 \insrsid15950312 \par ROB\tab \tab It's not nearly enough quite frankly. \par \par LIZ\tab \tab For some of us it's not. \par \par }\pard \ltrpar\ql \fi-1440\li1440\ri0\widctlpar\wrapdefault\aspalpha\aspnum\faauto\adjustright\rin0\lin1440\itap0\pararsid6167293 {\rtlch\fcs1 \af0 \ltrch\fcs0 \insrsid15950312 SIMON\tab There'd be a lot more sex workers I think if we were paying that much money. \par }\pard \ltrpar\ql \li0\ri0\widctlpar\wrapdefault\aspalpha\aspnum\faauto\adjustright\rin0\lin0\itap0\pararsid1207001 {\rtlch\fcs1 \af0 \ltrch\fcs0 \insrsid15950312 \par }\pard \ltrpar\ql \fi-1440\li1440\ri0\widctlpar\wrapdefault\aspalpha\aspnum\faauto\adjustright\rin0\lin1440\itap0\pararsid9579175 {\rtlch\fcs1 \af0 \ltrch\fcs0 \insrsid15950312 ROB\tab I can get through that amount in a week, no problem there. Anyway, but the reaction is from Carole Malone in the News of the World she's decided to issue her opinion on this matter. \par }\pard \ltrpar\ql \li0\ri0\widctlpar\wrapdefault\aspalpha\aspnum\faauto\adjustright\rin0\lin0\itap0\pararsid1207001 {\rtlch\fcs1 \af0 \ltrch\fcs0 \insrsid15950312 \par }\pard \ltrpar\ql \fi-1440\li1440\ri0\widctlpar\wrapdefault\aspalpha\aspnum\faauto\adjustright\rin0\lin1440\itap0\pararsid9579175 {\rtlch\fcs1 \af0 \ltrch\fcs0 \insrsid15950312 LIZ\tab This is a tabloid newspaper, in case you've never heard of The News of the World. \par }\pard \ltrpar\ql \li0\ri0\widctlpar\wrapdefault\aspalpha\aspnum\faauto\adjustright\rin0\lin0\itap0\pararsid1207001 {\rtlch\fcs1 \af0 \ltrch\fcs0 \insrsid15950312 \par ROB\tab \tab You've never heard of The News of the World. \par \par }\pard \ltrpar\ql \fi-1440\li1440\ri0\widctlpar\wrapdefault\aspalpha\aspnum\faauto\adjustright\rin0\lin1440\itap0\pararsid9579175 {\rtlch\fcs1 \af0 \ltrch\fcs0 \insrsid15950312 SIMON\tab Sorry just I'm going to jump in, this is... when you said this is... it's not a specific fund this is just part of direct payments that anybody would get and they are allocating a sum to it. \par }\pard \ltrpar\ql \li0\ri0\widctlpar\wrapdefault\aspalpha\aspnum\faauto\adjustright\rin0\lin0\itap0\pararsid1207001 {\rtlch\fcs1 \af0 \ltrch\fcs0 \insrsid15950312 \par ROB\tab \tab Some of it is being allocated towards... \par \par SIMON\tab \tab But that's a choice of what they spend it on. \par \par ROB\tab \tab I believe so yes. \par \par }\pard \ltrpar\ql \fi-1440\li1440\ri0\widctlpar\wrapdefault\aspalpha\aspnum\faauto\adjustright\rin0\lin1440\itap0\pararsid9579175 {\rtlch\fcs1 \af0 \ltrch\fcs0 \insrsid15950312 LIZ\tab It's your very typical story of the newspapers, the media, getting hold of a little bit of a nugget of a story and not telling the whole truth. So in fact disabled people like myself or whatever are assessed for the support services they need. It is boring because actually the real story's quite boring. And Social Services will give us funding and support to buy in like I buy in personal assistants to help me go to the loo or cook a meal or whatever. But what's happened is that there was a survey done seeing could the money that we get to buy in the essential services we need be used to pay to secure sex in s o me way, either for us to join a dating agency or somebody to actually facilitate sex. And the majority of councils in the UK said that no they don't condone money being used that way. But of course what happened is the TV and the papers got hold of this h uge pot of money, social care money, is going to all disabled people to pay for sex. No. But... \par }\pard \ltrpar\ql \li0\ri0\widctlpar\wrapdefault\aspalpha\aspnum\faauto\adjustright\rin0\lin0\itap0\pararsid1207001 {\rtlch\fcs1 \af0 \ltrch\fcs0 \insrsid15950312 \par ROB\tab \tab It's a nice idea. \par \par LIZ\tab \tab Nice idea. \par \par }\pard \ltrpar\ql \fi-1440\li1440\ri0\widctlpar\wrapdefault\aspalpha\aspnum\faauto\adjustright\rin0\lin1440\itap0\pararsid9579175 {\rtlch\fcs1 \af0 \ltrch\fcs0 \insrsid15950312 SIMON\tab Even accepting that you mention the word 'essential services' my question would then be, sorry Rob we're not letting you read your article, but... \par }\pard \ltrpar\ql \li0\ri0\widctlpar\wrapdefault\aspalpha\aspnum\faauto\adjustright\rin0\lin0\itap0\pararsid1207001 {\rtlch\fcs1 \af0 \ltrch\fcs0 \insrsid15950312 \par ROB\tab \tab It's okay, carry on. \par \par }\pard \ltrpar\ql \fi-1440\li1440\ri0\widctlpar\wrapdefault\aspalpha\aspnum\faauto\adjustright\rin0\lin1440\itap0\pararsid9579175 {\rtlch\fcs1 \af0 \ltrch\fcs0 \insrsid15950312 SIMON\tab Is sex, or having sex or the ability to have sex or however you procure it I suppose is that essential? I'd kind of be really miffed if I never ever, ever, ever had it again. \par }\pard \ltrpar\ql \li0\ri0\widctlpar\wrapdefault\aspalpha\aspnum\faauto\adjustright\rin0\lin0\itap0\pararsid1207001 {\rtlch\fcs1 \af0 \ltrch\fcs0 \insrsid15950312 \par }\pard \ltrpar\ql \fi-1440\li1440\ri0\widctlpar\wrapdefault\aspalpha\aspnum\faauto\adjustright\rin0\lin1440\itap0\pararsid9579175 {\rtlch\fcs1 \af0 \ltrch\fcs0 \insrsid15950312 LIZ\tab I think what happens is that a lot of the people who are writing about this story are a bit fed up because it's like they don't mind us having help to wipe our bums and eat but if it's anything that they're not getting, i.e., access to sex then they get a bit wizened and a bit upset with us. \par }\pard \ltrpar\ql \li0\ri0\widctlpar\wrapdefault\aspalpha\aspnum\faauto\adjustright\rin0\lin0\itap0\pararsid1207001 {\rtlch\fcs1 \af0 \ltrch\fcs0 \insrsid15950312 \par }\pard \ltrpar\ql \fi-1440\li1440\ri0\widctlpar\wrapdefault\aspalpha\aspnum\faauto\adjustright\rin0\lin1440\itap0\pararsid9579175 {\rtlch\fcs1 \af0 \ltrch\fcs0 \insrsid15950312 SIMON\tab So if we buy rubbish things or just sensible things they'll allow it. But if we start actually enjoying ourselves as well? \par }\pard \ltrpar\ql \li0\ri0\widctlpar\wrapdefault\aspalpha\aspnum\faauto\adjustright\rin0\lin0\itap0\pararsid1207001 {\rtlch\fcs1 \af0 \ltrch\fcs0 \insrsid15950312 \par }\pard \ltrpar\ql \fi-1440\li1440\ri0\widctlpar\wrapdefault\aspalpha\aspnum\faauto\adjustright\rin0\lin1440\itap0\pararsid9579175 {\rtlch\fcs1 \af0 \ltrch\fcs0 \insrsid15950312 LIZ\tab If it's anything about quality of life beyond being washed and dressed and whatever then I think people are like, "Well I have to work for a living, at the moment the economy's such we don't have the money blah, blah, blah, why is it that this group of people that probably don't even work, get these things?" \par }\pard \ltrpar\ql \li0\ri0\widctlpar\wrapdefault\aspalpha\aspnum\faauto\adjustright\rin0\lin0\itap0\pararsid1207001 {\rtlch\fcs1 \af0 \ltrch\fcs0 \insrsid15950312 \par }\pard \ltrpar\ql \fi-1440\li1440\ri0\widctlpar\wrapdefault\aspalpha\aspnum\faauto\adjustright\rin0\lin1440\itap0\pararsid9579175 {\rtlch\fcs1 \af0 \ltrch\fcs0 \insrsid15950312 SIMON\tab But there a re, if you are disabled and, I know this myself personally, it can be harder to find a partner or somebody else and so on because of difference and... but there are groups you can join like I remember The Outsider's Club and there's two or three others, s o do you still need to pay for something like this anyway if you could join the clubs? \par }\pard \ltrpar\ql \li0\ri0\widctlpar\wrapdefault\aspalpha\aspnum\faauto\adjustright\rin0\lin0\itap0\pararsid1207001 {\rtlch\fcs1 \af0 \ltrch\fcs0 \insrsid15950312 \par LIZ\tab \tab Well what do other people think, what does she say? \par \par ROB\tab \tab Well luckily, thank goodness Carole Malone is on our side. \par \par }\pard \ltrpar\ql \li0\ri0\widctlpar\wrapdefault\aspalpha\aspnum\faauto\adjustright\rin0\lin0\itap0\pararsid294566 {\rtlch\fcs1 \af0 \ltrch\fcs0 \insrsid15950312 LIZ\tab \tab No?! \par }\pard \ltrpar\ql \li0\ri0\widctlpar\wrapdefault\aspalpha\aspnum\faauto\adjustright\rin0\lin0\itap0\pararsid1207001 {\rtlch\fcs1 \af0 \ltrch\fcs0 \insrsid15950312 \par ROB\tab \tab Yes. \par \par LIZ\tab \tab Ooh! \par \par }\pard \ltrpar\ql \fi-1440\li1440\ri0\widctlpar\wrapdefault\aspalpha\aspnum\faauto\adjustright\rin0\lin1440\itap0\pararsid294566 {\rtlch\fcs1 \af0 \ltrch\fcs0 \insrsid15950312 ROB\tab I don't often read verbatim but I feel some of Carole's comments really should be shared with the Ouch listeners. "Why should people who are born or become disabled have to spend their lives in boring day centres weaving baskets and playing bingo. Why sh o uldn't they use their personal budgets to have sex, go on holiday and buy season tickets to football matches? Why should they be denied independent fulfilling lives because of some tragic hiccup in their genetic makeup?" I love it. She also says, "I've ha d the privilege of knowing scores of disabled people, not one of them... \par }\pard \ltrpar\ql \li0\ri0\widctlpar\wrapdefault\aspalpha\aspnum\faauto\adjustright\rin0\lin0\itap0\pararsid1207001 {\rtlch\fcs1 \af0 \ltrch\fcs0 \insrsid15950312 \par LIZ\tab \tab And I've even slept with them. \par \par }\pard \ltrpar\ql \fi-1440\li1440\ri0\widctlpar\wrapdefault\aspalpha\aspnum\faauto\adjustright\rin0\lin1440\itap0\pararsid294566 {\rtlch\fcs1 \af0 \ltrch\fcs0 \insrsid15950312 SIMON\tab She's earned a lot of money, oh no that's slander I shouldn't say that. \par }\pard \ltrpar\ql \li0\ri0\widctlpar\wrapdefault\aspalpha\aspnum\faauto\adjustright\rin0\lin0\itap0\pararsid1207001 {\rtlch\fcs1 \af0 \ltrch\fcs0 \insrsid15950312 \par }\pard \ltrpar\ql \fi-1440\li1440\ri0\widctlpar\wrapdefault\aspalpha\aspnum\faauto\adjustright\rin0\lin1440\itap0\pararsid294566 {\rtlch\fcs1 \af0 \ltrch\fcs0 \insrsid15950312 RO\tab ... not one of them has ever wanted sympathy and all have refused point blank to be patronised." \par }\pard \ltrpar\ql \li0\ri0\widctlpar\wrapdefault\aspalpha\aspnum\faauto\adjustright\rin0\lin0\itap0\pararsid1207001 {\rtlch\fcs1 \af0 \ltrch\fcs0 \insrsid15950312 \par LIZ\tab \tab But they all wanted sex. \par \par }\pard \ltrpar\ql \fi-1440\li1440\ri0\widctlpar\wrapdefault\aspalpha\aspnum\faauto\adjustright\rin0\lin1440\itap0\pararsid294566 {\rtlch\fcs1 \af0 \ltrch\fcs0 \insrsid15950312 ROB\tab They've all wanted sex. So thank God Carole's on our side. I don't know what she's going to come up with in next week's column. Suddenly realising after centuries of doubt the w heel is actually quite a good invention, I don't know. But it is fantastic that Carole's on our side and this is a wonderful column. I wish I could read you the whole thing because it's so hilarious pointing out the bleeding obvious. \par }\pard \ltrpar\ql \li0\ri0\widctlpar\wrapdefault\aspalpha\aspnum\faauto\adjustright\rin0\lin0\itap0\pararsid1207001 {\rtlch\fcs1 \af0 \ltrch\fcs0 \insrsid15950312 \par }\pard \ltrpar\ql \fi-1440\li1440\ri0\widctlpar\wrapdefault\aspalpha\aspnum\faauto\adjustright\rin0\lin1440\itap0\pararsid294566 {\rtlch\fcs1 \af0 \ltrch\fcs0 \insrsid15950312 LIZ\tab And what's refr eshing it that I mean this is so well documented as you said in a lot of the papers, and broad sheets and the tabloids absolutely, and what was perhaps more revealing were people's comments afterwards. And I found it really upsetting, I mean, what people w ere saying is like "Yeah absolutely, you know, I don't even want to think this is taboo, I don't want to think about this" as if sex and disability was evil. But the other side of it is of course, you know, I don't mind my taxpayer's money being used for them to go to the toilet but anything more that's not fair. \par }\pard \ltrpar\ql \li0\ri0\widctlpar\wrapdefault\aspalpha\aspnum\faauto\adjustright\rin0\lin0\itap0\pararsid1207001 {\rtlch\fcs1 \af0 \ltrch\fcs0 \insrsid15950312 \par }\pard \ltrpar\ql \fi-1440\li1440\ri0\widctlpar\wrapdefault\aspalpha\aspnum\faauto\adjustright\rin0\lin1440\itap0\pararsid294566 {\rtlch\fcs1 \af0 \ltrch\fcs0 \insrsid15950312 ROB\tab You imagine they should survive in a kind of Guantanamo Bay-esk conditions. \par }\pard \ltrpar\ql \li0\ri0\widctlpar\wrapdefault\aspalpha\aspnum\faauto\adjustright\rin0\lin0\itap0\pararsid1207001 {\rtlch\fcs1 \af0 \ltrch\fcs0 \insrsid15950312 \par LIZ\tab \tab Absolutely. \par \par ROB\tab \tab And anything beyond that is just decadent stuff. \par \par }\pard \ltrpar\ql \fi-1440\li1440\ri0\widctlpar\wrapdefault\aspalpha\aspnum\faauto\adjustright\rin0\lin1440\itap0\pararsid294566 {\rtlch\fcs1 \af0 \ltrch\fcs0 \insrsid15950312 SIMON\tab I think it's a double whamm y the whole idea of disabled people and spending the money of the taxpayers, but also disabled people having sex as well which I think people can find very awkward. Presumably that sounds, as you say, Carole's probably more where we might naturally be com ing from but other papers presumably aren't quite the same, I mean there is a little bit of kind of resistance to this? \par }\pard \ltrpar\ql \li0\ri0\widctlpar\wrapdefault\aspalpha\aspnum\faauto\adjustright\rin0\lin0\itap0\pararsid1207001 {\rtlch\fcs1 \af0 \ltrch\fcs0 \insrsid15950312 \par }\pard \ltrpar\ql \fi-1440\li1440\ri0\widctlpar\wrapdefault\aspalpha\aspnum\faauto\adjustright\rin0\lin1440\itap0\pararsid294566 {\rtlch\fcs1 \af0 \ltrch\fcs0 \insrsid15950312 ROB\tab I think actually most of the newspapers even the tabloids are on the same kind of queasy moral route as Carole. But I think it's the blogs and the reader responses which are giving a truer indication... \par }\pard \ltrpar\ql \li0\ri0\widctlpar\wrapdefault\aspalpha\aspnum\faauto\adjustright\rin0\lin0\itap0\pararsid1207001 {\rtlch\fcs1 \af0 \ltrch\fcs0 \insrsid15950312 \par SIMON\tab \tab Scary. \par \par ROB\tab \tab ... of how people really feel. And you're right they are more scary. \par \par }\pard \ltrpar\ql \fi-1440\li1440\ri0\widctlpar\wrapdefault\aspalpha\aspnum\faauto\adjustright\rin0\lin1440\itap0\pararsid294566 {\rtlch\fcs1 \af0 \ltrch\fcs0 \insrsid15950312 LIZ\tab And if you want to see something else about it or read something decent on it read Disability Bitch on it, fantastic. \par }\pard \ltrpar\ql \li0\ri0\widctlpar\wrapdefault\aspalpha\aspnum\faauto\adjustright\rin0\lin0\itap0\pararsid1207001 {\rtlch\fcs1 \af0 \ltrch\fcs0 \insrsid15950312 \par }\pard \ltrpar\ql \fi-1440\li1440\ri0\widctlpar\wrapdefault\aspalpha\aspnum\faauto\adjustright\rin0\lin1440\itap0\pararsid294566 {\rtlch\fcs1 \af0 \ltrch\fcs0 \insrsid15950312 ROB\tab Absolutely. I don't think that people necessarily think it's evil I think people are physically repulsed by the idea of it, which is, to me, even more frightening. \par }\pard \ltrpar\ql \li0\ri0\widctlpar\wrapdefault\aspalpha\aspnum\faauto\adjustright\rin0\lin0\itap0\pararsid1207001 {\rtlch\fcs1 \af0 \ltrch\fcs0 \insrsid15950312 \par LIZ\tab \tab No absolutely. I have a story. \par \par ROB\tab \tab Oh get off my turf! \par \par LIZ\tab \tab I know. \par \par ROB\tab \tab Get your tanks off my lawn. \par \par LIZ\tab \tab I'm the news kitten today. I'm just saying right. \par \par SIMON\tab \tab (inaudible)Sunday evening. \par \par }\pard \ltrpar\ql \fi-1440\li1440\ri0\widctlpar\wrapdefault\aspalpha\aspnum\faauto\adjustright\rin0\lin1440\itap0\pararsid294566 {\rtlch\fcs1 \af0 \ltrch\fcs0 \insrsid15950312 LIZ\tab Saudi man faces spine op punishment. Basically there were two guys in Saudi Arabia and one of them, they were in a fight and one of them was paralysed as a result of the fight. And under Islam law in Saudi the guy has asked for an eye for an eye. So basically he was paralysed and he would now like, because the guy was found guilty, he w ould now like that guy, that attacker, to be paralysed as well. \par }\pard \ltrpar\ql \li0\ri0\widctlpar\wrapdefault\aspalpha\aspnum\faauto\adjustright\rin0\lin0\itap0\pararsid1207001 {\rtlch\fcs1 \af0 \ltrch\fcs0 \insrsid15950312 \par ROB\tab \tab In the exact same scenario. \par \par LIZ\tab \tab That's the problem. \par \par }\pard \ltrpar\ql \fi-1440\li1440\ri0\widctlpar\wrapdefault\aspalpha\aspnum\faauto\adjustright\rin0\lin1440\itap0\pararsid294566 {\rtlch\fcs1 \af0 \ltrch\fcs0 \insrsid15950312 SIMON\tab The Judge, I mean, obviously this guy who had started the fight whatever or made the other guy paralysed, the Judge aske d medical experts is it possible, or how is it possible, to make someone paralysed the equivalent to this individual. And this is quite a difficult story, I mean, it's kind of, on so many levels it's really interesting. \par }\pard \ltrpar\ql \li0\ri0\widctlpar\wrapdefault\aspalpha\aspnum\faauto\adjustright\rin0\lin0\itap0\pararsid1207001 {\rtlch\fcs1 \af0 \ltrch\fcs0 \insrsid15950312 \par }\pard \ltrpar\ql \fi-1440\li1440\ri0\widctlpar\wrapdefault\aspalpha\aspnum\faauto\adjustright\rin0\lin1440\itap0\pararsid294566 {\rtlch\fcs1 \af0 \ltrch\fcs0 \insrsid15950312 LIZ\tab The courts in fact are saying we have looked... the courts actually did look into it, and have looked into it, and are saying but the thing is when we operate to make him paralysed he could well die from that and that's a different... \par }\pard \ltrpar\ql \li0\ri0\widctlpar\wrapdefault\aspalpha\aspnum\faauto\adjustright\rin0\lin0\itap0\pararsid1207001 {\rtlch\fcs1 \af0 \ltrch\fcs0 \insrsid15950312 \par ROB\tab \tab That's not quite an eye for an eye. \par \par LIZ\tab \tab That's a different punishment. \par \par SIMON\tab \tab Hang on... \par \par LIZ\tab \tab That's a whole face isn't it? \par \par }\pard \ltrpar\ql \fi-1440\li1440\ri0\widctlpar\wrapdefault\aspalpha\aspnum\faauto\adjustright\rin0\lin1440\itap0\pararsid294566 {\rtlch\fcs1 \af0 \ltrch\fcs0 \insrsid15950312 SIMON\tab Obviously w e know there's still some States in the US that have capital punishment, and I know whenever they do those surveys to the UK population it's quite scary because everyone comes out and says, "Yeah if you murder someone you should face the death penalty." S o if you agree with that presumably you would agree with this. It is a kind of an equivalent. \par }\pard \ltrpar\ql \li0\ri0\widctlpar\wrapdefault\aspalpha\aspnum\faauto\adjustright\rin0\lin0\itap0\pararsid1207001 {\rtlch\fcs1 \af0 \ltrch\fcs0 \insrsid15950312 \par }\pard \ltrpar\ql \fi-1440\li1440\ri0\widctlpar\wrapdefault\aspalpha\aspnum\faauto\adjustright\rin0\lin1440\itap0\pararsid294566 {\rtlch\fcs1 \af0 \ltrch\fcs0 \insrsid15950312 LIZ\tab I like the idea as well it being seen as punishment, disability is being seen as punishment. We've just talked about disability and sex is kind of repulsiv e and offensive. And now we have being disabled in itself is, for the guy, it's a punishment and he wants to punish and ruin that guy's life as well. \par }\pard \ltrpar\ql \li0\ri0\widctlpar\wrapdefault\aspalpha\aspnum\faauto\adjustright\rin0\lin0\itap0\pararsid1207001 {\rtlch\fcs1 \af0 \ltrch\fcs0 \insrsid15950312 \par }\pard \ltrpar\ql \fi-1440\li1440\ri0\widctlpar\wrapdefault\aspalpha\aspnum\faauto\adjustright\rin0\lin1440\itap0\pararsid294566 {\rtlch\fcs1 \af0 \ltrch\fcs0 \insrsid15950312 SIMO\tab But there's a lovely debate where you have the conversation with someone and saying, because in t heory people don't choose to become disabled, it generally happens for a whole variety of different reasons, and I have heard this from people who have become disabled, look, you know, say they did this and this guy then started doing wheelchair athletics . And then it comes to 2012 and then he wins all the gold medals and he's like, "This is the best thing that's ever happened" and sometimes... \par }\pard \ltrpar\ql \li0\ri0\widctlpar\wrapdefault\aspalpha\aspnum\faauto\adjustright\rin0\lin0\itap0\pararsid1207001 {\rtlch\fcs1 \af0 \ltrch\fcs0 \insrsid15950312 \par LIZ\tab \tab That's a great story. \par \par }\pard \ltrpar\ql \fi-1440\li1440\ri0\widctlpar\wrapdefault\aspalpha\aspnum\faauto\adjustright\rin0\lin1440\itap0\pararsid7567664 {\rtlch\fcs1 \af0 \ltrch\fcs0 \insrsid15950312 SIMON\tab ... people say becoming disabled was the thing that changed my life to make it great. And so yeah it's a debate. Thank you very much, Rob, it's always a pleasure to see you. \par }\pard \ltrpar\ql \li0\ri0\widctlpar\wrapdefault\aspalpha\aspnum\faauto\adjustright\rin0\lin0\itap0\pararsid1207001 {\rtlch\fcs1 \af0 \ltrch\fcs0 \insrsid15950312 \par ROB\tab \tab Thank you very much. \par \par [Jingle: You can email the show ouch@bbc.co.uk.] \par \par }\pard \ltrpar\ql \fi-1440\li1440\ri0\widctlpar\wrapdefault\aspalpha\aspnum\faauto\adjustright\rin0\lin1440\itap0\pararsid7567664 {\rtlch\fcs1 \af0 \ltrch\fcs0 \insrsid15950312 LIZ\tab [singing] Hit me with your rhythm stick. Sex and drugs and rock & rol l and the controversial Spasticus Autisticus were all hits for the late, great Ian Dury. Without a doubt the best known disabled rock star the UK has seen. Well this year various tributes, including the successful biopic starring Andy Serkis have been mad e to mark the 10th anniversary of Dury's death. \par }\pard \ltrpar\ql \li0\ri0\widctlpar\wrapdefault\aspalpha\aspnum\faauto\adjustright\rin0\lin0\itap0\pararsid1207001 {\rtlch\fcs1 \af0 \ltrch\fcs0 \insrsid15950312 \par }\pard \ltrpar\ql \fi-1440\li1440\ri0\widctlpar\wrapdefault\aspalpha\aspnum\faauto\adjustright\rin0\lin1440\itap0\pararsid7567664 {\rtlch\fcs1 \af0 \ltrch\fcs0 \insrsid15950312 SIMON\tab It's very lovely singing there Liz. This latest tribute is from the disability led theatre company Graeae. It's a musical called Reasons To Be Cheerful which celebrates Ian's life throughout his best known hits. Cast members Nadia Albina and John Kelly join us. \par }\pard \ltrpar\ql \li0\ri0\widctlpar\wrapdefault\aspalpha\aspnum\faauto\adjustright\rin0\lin0\itap0\pararsid1207001 {\rtlch\fcs1 \af0 \ltrch\fcs0 \insrsid15950312 \par NADIA\tab \tab Hello. \par \par JOHN\tab \tab Hello. \par \par SIMON\tab \tab And we also have one of the writers Paul Sirett. \par \par PAUL\tab \tab Hello there. \par \par }\pard \ltrpar\ql \fi-1440\li1440\ri0\widctlpar\wrapdefault\aspalpha\aspnum\faauto\adjustright\rin0\lin1440\itap0\pararsid7567664 {\rtlch\fcs1 \af0 \ltrch\fcs0 \insrsid15950312 LIZ\tab Well let's start off with a little clip from the man himself. It's taken from Desert Island Discs and this is Ian talking about being disabled. \par }\pard \ltrpar\ql \li0\ri0\widctlpar\wrapdefault\aspalpha\aspnum\faauto\adjustright\rin0\lin0\itap0\pararsid1207001 {\rtlch\fcs1 \af0 \ltrch\fcs0 \insrsid15950312 \par }\pard \ltrpar\ql \li0\ri0\widctlpar\wrapdefault\aspalpha\aspnum\faauto\adjustright\rin0\lin0\itap0\pararsid7567664 {\rtlch\fcs1 \af0 \ltrch\fcs0 \insrsid15950312 Ian Dury: Although I'm severely disabled in some ways I'm not restricted that much by it. I can't run for buses but I don't really mind missing a few buses. \par }\pard \ltrpar\ql \li0\ri0\widctlpar\wrapdefault\aspalpha\aspnum\faauto\adjustright\rin0\lin0\itap0\pararsid1207001 {\rtlch\fcs1 \af0 \ltrch\fcs0 \insrsid15950312 \par }\pard \ltrpar\ql \fi-1440\li1440\ri0\widctlpar\wrapdefault\aspalpha\aspnum\faauto\adjustright\rin0\lin1440\itap0\pararsid7567664 {\rtlch\fcs1 \af0 \ltrch\fcs0 \insrsid15950312 SIMON\tab Paul, before we go straight in because Ian Dury, I kind of feel I'm an inbetweener he was a generation just before me, but he's sort of explaining there that he got polio as a child, he was seven, but it wasn't kind of full on part of the disability movement. What does Ian represent to you being one of the writers? \par }\pard \ltrpar\ql \li0\ri0\widctlpar\wrapdefault\aspalpha\aspnum\faauto\adjustright\rin0\lin0\itap0\pararsid1207001 {\rtlch\fcs1 \af0 \ltrch\fcs0 \insrsid15950312 \par }\pard \ltrpar\ql \fi-1440\li1440\ri0\widctlpar\wrapdefault\aspalpha\aspnum\faauto\adjustright\rin0\lin1440\itap0\pararsid7567664 {\rtlch\fcs1 \af0 \ltrch\fcs0 \insrsid15950312 PAUL\tab Well as far as I knew at the time, well what I didn't know I should say at the time, was that Ian was disabled. It didn't occur to me that he was disabled. It didn't matter to me that he was disabled. \par }\pard \ltrpar\ql \li0\ri0\widctlpar\wrapdefault\aspalpha\aspnum\faauto\adjustright\rin0\lin0\itap0\pararsid1207001 {\rtlch\fcs1 \af0 \ltrch\fcs0 \insrsid15950312 \par SIMON\tab \tab You mean when he was performing? \par \par PAUL\tab \tab When he was performing yeah. \par \par SIMON\tab \tab Right. \par \par }\pard \ltrpar\ql \fi-1440\li1440\ri0\widctlpar\wrapdefault\aspalpha\aspnum\faauto\adjustright\rin0\lin1440\itap0\pararsid7567664 {\rtlch\fcs1 \af0 \ltrch\fcs0 \insrsid15950312 PAUL\tab Or at all in any way. What I loved was his attitude. And it's interesting because Dury skipped a generation as well really because he was like 35, in his mid 30s, when he started having his success and all the other punks were like 20. An interesting guy and, like I say, I didn't have a clue I just loved the music. \par }\pard \ltrpar\ql \li0\ri0\widctlpar\wrapdefault\aspalpha\aspnum\faauto\adjustright\rin0\lin0\itap0\pararsid1207001 {\rtlch\fcs1 \af0 \ltrch\fcs0 \insrsid15950312 \par }\pard \ltrpar\ql \fi-1440\li1440\ri0\widctlpar\wrapdefault\aspalpha\aspnum\faauto\adjustright\rin0\lin1440\itap0\pararsid7567664 {\rtlch\fcs1 \af0 \ltrch\fcs0 \insrsid15950312 SIMON\tab Now I'm going to be contr oversial because some of his music I don't quite like. Gene Vincent and What a Waste is just an awesome song. But there's some other stuff where it's very kind of clunky and he was more of a... he's sometimes said to be more of a poet than a musician. It is hard making a musical out of someone who had quite unusual music? \par }\pard \ltrpar\ql \li0\ri0\widctlpar\wrapdefault\aspalpha\aspnum\faauto\adjustright\rin0\lin0\itap0\pararsid1207001 {\rtlch\fcs1 \af0 \ltrch\fcs0 \insrsid15950312 \par }\pard \ltrpar\ql \fi-1440\li1440\ri0\widctlpar\wrapdefault\aspalpha\aspnum\faauto\adjustright\rin0\lin1440\itap0\pararsid7567664 {\rtlch\fcs1 \af0 \ltrch\fcs0 \insrsid15950312 PAUL\tab Yeah well when you say clunky I think punk. There's a punk aesthetic there that's really raw and it doesn't kind of really matter I don't think. And those songs are wonderful to pl ay I can assure you. And they sound great and live there's just so much energy that they are extraordinarily pieces of work really. \par }\pard \ltrpar\ql \li0\ri0\widctlpar\wrapdefault\aspalpha\aspnum\faauto\adjustright\rin0\lin0\itap0\pararsid1207001 {\rtlch\fcs1 \af0 \ltrch\fcs0 \insrsid15950312 \par }\pard \ltrpar\ql \fi-1440\li1440\ri0\widctlpar\wrapdefault\aspalpha\aspnum\faauto\adjustright\rin0\lin1440\itap0\pararsid7567664 {\rtlch\fcs1 \af0 \ltrch\fcs0 \insrsid15950312 LIZ\tab So it's a musical of course there's live music in there \'f1 fantastic. Is it a play about him, is he in there? What's the musical about? \par }\pard \ltrpar\ql \li0\ri0\widctlpar\wrapdefault\aspalpha\aspnum\faauto\adjustright\rin0\lin0\itap0\pararsid1207001 {\rtlch\fcs1 \af0 \ltrch\fcs0 \insrsid15950312 \par }\pard \ltrpar\ql \fi-1440\li1440\ri0\widctlpar\wrapdefault\aspalpha\aspnum\faauto\adjustright\rin0\lin1440\itap0\pararsid2776941 {\rtlch\fcs1 \af0 \ltrch\fcs0 \insrsid15950312 PAUL\tab Well the musical itself went through lots of incarnations \'f1 were we going to do a show about Ian, were we going to do a show using the music and just kind of put together a narrative? And in the end we've done something that's not quite either of those things. So it uses the songs but they're performed in a different context, by a pub in a band in 1981. \par }\pard \ltrpar\ql \li0\ri0\widctlpar\wrapdefault\aspalpha\aspnum\faauto\adjustright\rin0\lin0\itap0\pararsid1207001 {\rtlch\fcs1 \af0 \ltrch\fcs0 \insrsid15950312 \par }\pard \ltrpar\ql \fi-1440\li1440\ri0\widctlpar\wrapdefault\aspalpha\aspnum\faauto\adjustright\rin0\lin1440\itap0\pararsid2776941 {\rtlch\fcs1 \af0 \ltrch\fcs0 \insrsid15950312 SIMON\tab Maybe, Nadia, if I can start with you \'f1 can you tell me a little bit about your character in Reasons To Be Cheerful? \par }\pard \ltrpar\ql \li0\ri0\widctlpar\wrapdefault\aspalpha\aspnum\faauto\adjustright\rin0\lin0\itap0\pararsid1207001 {\rtlch\fcs1 \af0 \ltrch\fcs0 \insrsid15950312 \par }\pard \ltrpar\ql \fi-1440\li1440\ri0\widctlpar\wrapdefault\aspalpha\aspnum\faauto\adjustright\rin0\lin1440\itap0\pararsid2776941 {\rtlch\fcs1 \af0 \ltrch\fcs0 \insrsid15950312 Nadia\tab Yeah. My character is Janine and she's a young girl and very influenced by what's going on in work and in life. And she's very... what I like about her is that she goes for what she wants and I think she's... but there's also what's brilliant about p unk as well is although there's a lot of opinions being shared and kind of you're quite angry about life in general, there's so much vulnerability underneath and she's a young girl just trying to make her way I think. And that's the kind of juxtaposition of it. \par }\pard \ltrpar\ql \li0\ri0\widctlpar\wrapdefault\aspalpha\aspnum\faauto\adjustright\rin0\lin0\itap0\pararsid1207001 {\rtlch\fcs1 \af0 \ltrch\fcs0 \insrsid15950312 \par }\pard \ltrpar\ql \fi-1440\li1440\ri0\widctlpar\wrapdefault\aspalpha\aspnum\faauto\adjustright\rin0\lin1440\itap0\pararsid2776941 {\rtlch\fcs1 \af0 \ltrch\fcs0 \insrsid15950312 LIZ\tab Before you came to this part how much were you aware of Ian Dury? \par }\pard \ltrpar\ql \li0\ri0\widctlpar\wrapdefault\aspalpha\aspnum\faauto\adjustright\rin0\lin0\itap0\pararsid1207001 {\rtlch\fcs1 \af0 \ltrch\fcs0 \insrsid15950312 \par }\pard \ltrpar\ql \fi-1440\li1440\ri0\widctlpar\wrapdefault\aspalpha\aspnum\faauto\adjustright\rin0\lin1440\itap0\pararsid1862592 {\rtlch\fcs1 \af0 \ltrch\fcs0 \insrsid15950312 Nadia\tab I have to be honest I didn't really know a lot about Ian Dury. Obviously I knew a little bit of his music. I knew Hit Me With Your Rhythm Stick and I'm slightly young so in terms of... \par }\pard \ltrpar\ql \li0\ri0\widctlpar\wrapdefault\aspalpha\aspnum\faauto\adjustright\rin0\lin0\itap0\pararsid1207001 {\rtlch\fcs1 \af0 \ltrch\fcs0 \insrsid15950312 \par LIZ\tab \tab It's fine. \par \par }\pard \ltrpar\ql \fi-1440\li1440\ri0\widctlpar\wrapdefault\aspalpha\aspnum\faauto\adjustright\rin0\lin1440\itap0\pararsid1862592 {\rtlch\fcs1 \af0 \ltrch\fcs0 \insrsid15950312 Nadia\tab ... in the sense that, slightly young in terms of I didn't really know much about him politically and what he did and in kind of the context of his time. But I did a lot of reading about him and just thought he was, you know, brilliant and the lyrics are fantastic. \par }\pard \ltrpar\ql \li0\ri0\widctlpar\wrapdefault\aspalpha\aspnum\faauto\adjustright\rin0\lin0\itap0\pararsid1207001 {\rtlch\fcs1 \af0 \ltrch\fcs0 \insrsid15950312 \par }\pard \ltrpar\ql \fi-1440\li1440\ri0\widctlpar\wrapdefault\aspalpha\aspnum\faauto\adjustright\rin0\lin1440\itap0\pararsid1862592 {\rtlch\fcs1 \af0 \ltrch\fcs0 \insrsid15950312 SIMON\tab John, now I'm guessing you play the lead in the band, I'm making a big assumption here. \par }\pard \ltrpar\ql \li0\ri0\widctlpar\wrapdefault\aspalpha\aspnum\faauto\adjustright\rin0\lin0\itap0\pararsid1207001 {\rtlch\fcs1 \af0 \ltrch\fcs0 \insrsid15950312 \par JOHN\tab \tab Why do you say that? \par \par }\pard \ltrpar\ql \fi-1440\li1440\ri0\widctlpar\wrapdefault\aspalpha\aspnum\faauto\adjustright\rin0\lin1440\itap0\pararsid1862592 {\rtlch\fcs1 \af0 \ltrch\fcs0 \insrsid15950312 SIMON\tab I'm looking and your hair's quite Ian Dury-esk as well. I'm re ally getting in trouble now. \par }\pard \ltrpar\ql \li0\ri0\widctlpar\wrapdefault\aspalpha\aspnum\faauto\adjustright\rin0\lin0\itap0\pararsid1207001 {\rtlch\fcs1 \af0 \ltrch\fcs0 \insrsid15950312 \par LIZ\tab \tab (inaudible) might have something to do with that. \par \par }\pard \ltrpar\ql \fi-1440\li1440\ri0\widctlpar\wrapdefault\aspalpha\aspnum\faauto\adjustright\rin0\lin1440\itap0\pararsid1862592 {\rtlch\fcs1 \af0 \ltrch\fcs0 \insrsid15950312 SIMON\tab Can you tell us a little bit about your character and the relationship with Ian Dury as well? \par }\pard \ltrpar\ql \li0\ri0\widctlpar\wrapdefault\aspalpha\aspnum\faauto\adjustright\rin0\lin0\itap0\pararsid1207001 {\rtlch\fcs1 \af0 \ltrch\fcs0 \insrsid15950312 \par }\pard \ltrpar\ql \fi-1440\li1440\ri0\widctlpar\wrapdefault\aspalpha\aspnum\faauto\adjustright\rin0\lin1440\itap0\pararsid1862592 {\rtlch\fcs1 \af0 \ltrch\fcs0 \insrsid15950312 JOHN\tab Yeah I suppose I'm most confused out of everyone. I'm the lead vocalist of the band. So yeah it's like really exciting for me because I actually did meet Ian Dury in 1982 when I was a little lad. \par }\pard \ltrpar\ql \li0\ri0\widctlpar\wrapdefault\aspalpha\aspnum\faauto\adjustright\rin0\lin0\itap0\pararsid1207001 {\rtlch\fcs1 \af0 \ltrch\fcs0 \insrsid15950312 \par LIZ\tab \tab You touched the man, did you touch him? \par \par JOHN\tab \tab Well I didn't actually touch him no. \par \par LIZ\tab \tab Oh no. \par \par JOHN\tab \tab I was kept at arm's length which isn't that far away from me. \par \par LIZ\tab \tab Just in case you caught it. \par \par }\pard \ltrpar\ql \fi-1440\li1440\ri0\widctlpar\wrapdefault\aspalpha\aspnum\faauto\adjustright\rin0\lin1440\itap0\pararsid1862592 {\rtlch\fcs1 \af0 \ltrch\fcs0 \insrsid15950312 JOHN\tab 1982 it was really weird. I had to look back at it to make sure I wasn't making this up. But in 1982 there was an International Scout camp which isn' t that rock & roll, but it was a big international camp and it was something like the first time there was an integrated camp between disabled and non disabled scouts, and all the sub camps were named after famous disabled people. And I was in Bader which isn't that cool. \par }\pard \ltrpar\ql \li0\ri0\widctlpar\wrapdefault\aspalpha\aspnum\faauto\adjustright\rin0\lin0\itap0\pararsid1207001 {\rtlch\fcs1 \af0 \ltrch\fcs0 \insrsid15950312 \par SIMON\tab \tab This is Douglas the... \par \par JOHN\tab \tab Douglas Bader. \par \par }\pard \ltrpar\ql \li0\ri0\widctlpar\wrapdefault\aspalpha\aspnum\faauto\adjustright\rin0\lin0\itap0\pararsid1862592 {\rtlch\fcs1 \af0 \ltrch\fcs0 \insrsid15950312 SIMON\tab \tab Was it World War II the guy who lost the pilot? \par }\pard \ltrpar\ql \li0\ri0\widctlpar\wrapdefault\aspalpha\aspnum\faauto\adjustright\rin0\lin0\itap0\pararsid1207001 {\rtlch\fcs1 \af0 \ltrch\fcs0 \insrsid15950312 \par JOHN\tab \tab Yeah World War II. \par \par SIMON\tab \tab Yeah, okay. \par \par JOHN\tab \tab And I was in that one, so it wasn't that cool. \par \par LIZ\tab \tab Was he dead by then? \par \par JOHN\tab \tab I think... \par \par LIZ\tab \tab So you didn't get to meet him then? \par \par JOHN\tab \tab No, no. \par \par LIZ\tab \tab What were the names? \par \par JOHN\tab \tab I can't remember. But the important one... \par \par LIZ\tab \tab I'm sorry. \par \par JOHN\tab \tab ... was Dury. Dury camp. \par \par SIMON\tab \tab That was the cool one to be in. \par \par }\pard \ltrpar\ql \fi-1440\li1440\ri0\widctlpar\wrapdefault\aspalpha\aspnum\faauto\adjustright\rin0\lin1440\itap0\pararsid12207433 {\rtlch\fcs1 \af0 \ltrch\fcs0 \insrsid15950312 JOHN\tab And we snuck over because we heard Ian Dury was going to be there. And we all got into trouble because we should have stayed at Bader. So yes I did get to meet him from a distance. And so I knew he was disabled at that po int because otherwise they wouldn't have named a sub camp after him. \par }\pard \ltrpar\ql \li0\ri0\widctlpar\wrapdefault\aspalpha\aspnum\faauto\adjustright\rin0\lin0\itap0\pararsid1207001 {\rtlch\fcs1 \af0 \ltrch\fcs0 \insrsid15950312 \par }\pard \ltrpar\ql \fi-1440\li1440\ri0\widctlpar\wrapdefault\aspalpha\aspnum\faauto\adjustright\rin0\lin1440\itap0\pararsid12207433 {\rtlch\fcs1 \af0 \ltrch\fcs0 \insrsid15950312 LIZ\tab So that's how you found out he was... But there's a few similarities between you and Ian, would you say? \par }\pard \ltrpar\ql \li0\ri0\widctlpar\wrapdefault\aspalpha\aspnum\faauto\adjustright\rin0\lin0\itap0\pararsid1207001 {\rtlch\fcs1 \af0 \ltrch\fcs0 \insrsid15950312 \par }\pard \ltrpar\ql \fi-1440\li1440\ri0\widctlpar\wrapdefault\aspalpha\aspnum\faauto\adjustright\rin0\lin1440\itap0\pararsid12207433 {\rtlch\fcs1 \af0 \ltrch\fcs0 \insrsid15950312 JOHN\tab Hmm hmm yeah I guess we've both got lovely beautiful bendy left a rms. We both come from Irish backgrounds; his mum was Irish and my family are Irish. We both were special school survivors. He went to Chailey and I went to Bedelsford so that was like non residential. So we've got there. We both went into teaching. I've been a teacher, a tutor and stuff. And we've both got a bit of a mouth for the vocals and the singing so I suppose that's the other one yeah. \par }\pard \ltrpar\ql \li0\ri0\widctlpar\wrapdefault\aspalpha\aspnum\faauto\adjustright\rin0\lin0\itap0\pararsid1207001 {\rtlch\fcs1 \af0 \ltrch\fcs0 \insrsid15950312 \par }\pard \ltrpar\ql \fi-1440\li1440\ri0\widctlpar\wrapdefault\aspalpha\aspnum\faauto\adjustright\rin0\lin1440\itap0\pararsid12207433 {\rtlch\fcs1 \af0 \ltrch\fcs0 \insrsid15950312 SIMON\tab I did mention at the beginning some of his music, punky clunky but, as I said, the lyrics are awesome. Do you have - I'm putting you on the spot here a kind of favourite lyric? I mean some of the stuff he wrote is so witty, so joyful, so awesome is there stuff that when you sing it you think I just love this? \par }\pard \ltrpar\ql \li0\ri0\widctlpar\wrapdefault\aspalpha\aspnum\faauto\adjustright\rin0\lin0\itap0\pararsid1207001 {\rtlch\fcs1 \af0 \ltrch\fcs0 \insrsid15950312 \par }\pard \ltrpar\ql \fi-1440\li1440\ri0\widctlpar\wrapdefault\aspalpha\aspnum\faauto\adjustright\rin0\lin1440\itap0\pararsid12207433 {\rtlch\fcs1 \af0 \ltrch\fcs0 \insrsid15950312 JOHN\tab Yeah the Naughty Naked Nude, oh what a line that is. That's my favourite line that is. \par }\pard \ltrpar\ql \li0\ri0\widctlpar\wrapdefault\aspalpha\aspnum\faauto\adjustright\rin0\lin0\itap0\pararsid1207001 {\rtlch\fcs1 \af0 \ltrch\fcs0 \insrsid15950312 \par SIMON\tab \tab Is that from a song? \par \par JOHN\tab \tab That's from Wake Up and Make Love To Me. \par \par SIMON\tab \tab Right, okay. \par \par JOHN\tab \tab And it's yeah just listen to the lyrics and you'll get what I mean. \par \par }\pard \ltrpar\ql \fi-1440\li1440\ri0\widctlpar\wrapdefault\aspalpha\aspnum\faauto\adjustright\rin0\lin1440\itap0\pararsid12207433 {\rtlch\fcs1 \af0 \ltrch\fcs0 \insrsid15950312 LIZ\tab We should say it's a real shame that because we're a podcast there are laws and rules and regulations regarding the fact that we can't actually play any of the music, which is killing us. We were saying, can we not get them just to sing it a bit. But we' re not allowed to so that's why we're not going to. But you know the lyrics I mean Spasticus Autisticus. \par }\pard \ltrpar\ql \li0\ri0\widctlpar\wrapdefault\aspalpha\aspnum\faauto\adjustright\rin0\lin0\itap0\pararsid1207001 {\rtlch\fcs1 \af0 \ltrch\fcs0 \insrsid15950312 \par JOHN\tab \tab Wibbly, dribbling, fiddling, diddling. \par \par SIMON\tab \tab For those who have no concept, Spasticus Autisticus was '82 ish? \par \par PAUL\tab \tab 1981. \par \par }\pard \ltrpar\ql \fi-1440\li1440\ri0\widctlpar\wrapdefault\aspalpha\aspnum\faauto\adjustright\rin0\lin1440\itap0\pararsid12207433 {\rtlch\fcs1 \af0 \ltrch\fcs0 \insrsid15950312 SIMON\tab 1981. And it was his kind of anti-international year of disabled people was that... \par }\pard \ltrpar\ql \li0\ri0\widctlpar\wrapdefault\aspalpha\aspnum\faauto\adjustright\rin0\lin0\itap0\pararsid1207001 {\rtlch\fcs1 \af0 \ltrch\fcs0 \insrsid15950312 \par PAUL\tab \tab That's right yeah. \par \par }\pard \ltrpar\ql \fi-1440\li1440\ri0\widctlpar\wrapdefault\aspalpha\aspnum\faauto\adjustright\rin0\lin1440\itap0\pararsid12207433 {\rtlch\fcs1 \af0 \ltrch\fcs0 \insrsid15950312 SIMON\tab And it's not quite an anthem but it's just a lovely song that you kind of quote it's this kind of a rebellion... \par }\pard \ltrpar\ql \li0\ri0\widctlpar\wrapdefault\aspalpha\aspnum\faauto\adjustright\rin0\lin0\itap0\pararsid1207001 {\rtlch\fcs1 \af0 \ltrch\fcs0 \insrsid15950312 \par LIZ\tab \tab He called it a war cry. \par \par SIMON\tab \tab It is. \par \par LIZ\tab \tab Yes. \par \par }\pard \ltrpar\ql \fi-1440\li1440\ri0\widctlpar\wrapdefault\aspalpha\aspnum\faauto\adjustright\rin0\lin1440\itap0\pararsid12207433 {\rtlch\fcs1 \af0 \ltrch\fcs0 \insrsid15950312 SIMON\tab The fact that he came to that camp afterwards did you think he started to embrace disability almost as a rebellion? \par }\pard \ltrpar\ql \li0\ri0\widctlpar\wrapdefault\aspalpha\aspnum\faauto\adjustright\rin0\lin0\itap0\pararsid1207001 {\rtlch\fcs1 \af0 \ltrch\fcs0 \insrsid15950312 \par }\pard \ltrpar\ql \fi-1440\li1440\ri0\widctlpar\wrapdefault\aspalpha\aspnum\faauto\adjustright\rin0\lin1440\itap0\pararsid12207433 {\rtlch\fcs1 \af0 \ltrch\fcs0 \insrsid15950312 JOHN\tab I mean he always had a social conscience. He always had stuff to say about what was going on, whether it was kind of working class backgrounds and struggling to beat poverty or whatever it was. He got involved with Unicef and he did quite a lot of promoti n g of global issues that were affecting people. So I think he's always had something to say through his music. But because he was an artist because he was a poet he had this beautiful way of saying stuff that actually you had to work at what he was saying to really get the messages. \par }\pard \ltrpar\ql \li0\ri0\widctlpar\wrapdefault\aspalpha\aspnum\faauto\adjustright\rin0\lin0\itap0\pararsid1207001 {\rtlch\fcs1 \af0 \ltrch\fcs0 \insrsid15950312 \par }\pard \ltrpar\ql \fi-1440\li1440\ri0\widctlpar\wrapdefault\aspalpha\aspnum\faauto\adjustright\rin0\lin1440\itap0\pararsid12207433 {\rtlch\fcs1 \af0 \ltrch\fcs0 \insrsid15950312 SIMON\tab And, Paul, the kind of the original idea for this came from where? I mean I know it's part of a 10th anniversary but did someone approach you, did you say right we've got to do this, how did it start? \par }\pard \ltrpar\ql \li0\ri0\widctlpar\wrapdefault\aspalpha\aspnum\faauto\adjustright\rin0\lin0\itap0\pararsid1207001 {\rtlch\fcs1 \af0 \ltrch\fcs0 \insrsid15950312 \par }\pard \ltrpar\ql \fi-1440\li1440\ri0\widctlpar\wrapdefault\aspalpha\aspnum\faauto\adjustright\rin0\lin1440\itap0\pararsid12207433 {\rtlch\fcs1 \af0 \ltrch\fcs0 \insrsid15950312 PAUL\tab I was appro ached by Graeae and the Theatre Royal Stratford East who are a co-producer on this particular show. But this was eight years ago, a long time ago, before all of the current... \par }\pard \ltrpar\ql \li0\ri0\widctlpar\wrapdefault\aspalpha\aspnum\faauto\adjustright\rin0\lin0\itap0\pararsid1207001 {\rtlch\fcs1 \af0 \ltrch\fcs0 \insrsid15950312 \par LIZ\tab \tab So were you fed up when the film came out and... \par \par PAUL\tab \tab Really, really fed up. \par \par LIZ\tab \tab They've stolen my thunder. \par \par }\pard \ltrpar\ql \fi-1440\li1440\ri0\widctlpar\wrapdefault\aspalpha\aspnum\faauto\adjustright\rin0\lin1440\itap0\pararsid12207433 {\rtlch\fcs1 \af0 \ltrch\fcs0 \insrsid15950312 PAUL\tab But actually I really liked the film, I really like the film and I enjoyed it immensely, I thought Andy Serkis was brilliant. \par }\pard \ltrpar\ql \li0\ri0\widctlpar\wrapdefault\aspalpha\aspnum\faauto\adjustright\rin0\lin0\itap0\pararsid1207001 {\rtlch\fcs1 \af0 \ltrch\fcs0 \insrsid15950312 \par }\pard \ltrpar\ql \fi-1440\li1440\ri0\widctlpar\wrapdefault\aspalpha\aspnum\faauto\adjustright\rin0\lin1440\itap0\pararsid12207433 {\rtlch\fcs1 \af0 \ltrch\fcs0 \insrsid15950312 LIZ\tab There's a great website, we're going to find out in a sec all about wh en's it on, where you're performing it. But there is one of his songs, Reasons To Be Cheerful, and on the website there is a Reasons To Be Cheerful generator and people, famous people, are doing it anyone can go and put what their reasons to be cheerful w ould be. Nadia, what would your reason to be cheerful be? \par }\pard \ltrpar\ql \li0\ri0\widctlpar\wrapdefault\aspalpha\aspnum\faauto\adjustright\rin0\lin0\itap0\pararsid1207001 {\rtlch\fcs1 \af0 \ltrch\fcs0 \insrsid15950312 \par Nadia\tab \tab My reason to be cheerful. \par \par LIZ\tab \tab Yes. \par \par }\pard \ltrpar\ql \fi-1440\li1440\ri0\widctlpar\wrapdefault\aspalpha\aspnum\faauto\adjustright\rin0\lin1440\itap0\pararsid12207433 {\rtlch\fcs1 \af0 \ltrch\fcs0 \insrsid15950312 Nadia\tab Gosh I've got quite a lot to be cheerful about. I think just doing it actually, it's been such a wonderful process and getting to know everybody in the company and the play and the people. So that's definitely a reason to be cheerful to be working on it. \par }\pard \ltrpar\ql \li0\ri0\widctlpar\wrapdefault\aspalpha\aspnum\faauto\adjustright\rin0\lin0\itap0\pararsid1207001 {\rtlch\fcs1 \af0 \ltrch\fcs0 \insrsid15950312 \par LIZ\tab \tab John how about you? \par \par }\pard \ltrpar\ql \fi-1440\li1440\ri0\widctlpar\wrapdefault\aspalpha\aspnum\faauto\adjustright\rin0\lin1440\itap0\pararsid12207433 {\rtlch\fcs1 \af0 \ltrch\fcs0 \insrsid15950312 JOHN\tab My reason to be cheerful is a pint of Guinness with a good quality straw. \par }\pard \ltrpar\ql \li0\ri0\widctlpar\wrapdefault\aspalpha\aspnum\faauto\adjustright\rin0\lin0\itap0\pararsid1207001 {\rtlch\fcs1 \af0 \ltrch\fcs0 \insrsid15950312 \par LIZ\tab \tab And Paul? \par \par }\pard \ltrpar\ql \fi-1440\li1440\ri0\widctlpar\wrapdefault\aspalpha\aspnum\faauto\adjustright\rin0\lin1440\itap0\pararsid12207433 {\rtlch\fcs1 \af0 \ltrch\fcs0 \insrsid15950312 PAUL\tab My reason to be cheerful is getting to write a musical of Ian Dury. I mean he may not have wanted it but I did it anyway. \par }\pard \ltrpar\ql \li0\ri0\widctlpar\wrapdefault\aspalpha\aspnum\faauto\adjustright\rin0\lin0\itap0\pararsid1207001 {\rtlch\fcs1 \af0 \ltrch\fcs0 \insrsid15950312 \par LIZ\tab \tab Fantastic. Now you're performing this weekend I believe. \par \par Nadia\tab \tab Yes we are. At the Liberty Festival in Trafalgar Square. \par \par PAUL\tab \tab On Saturday. \par \par Nadia\tab \tab On Saturday. \par \par LIZ\tab \tab And apart from that when do you go on tour, what happens next? \par \par }\pard \ltrpar\ql \fi-1440\li1440\ri0\widctlpar\wrapdefault\aspalpha\aspnum\faauto\adjustright\rin0\lin1440\itap0\pararsid12207433 {\rtlch\fcs1 \af0 \ltrch\fcs0 \insrsid15950312 PAUL\tab We start in Ipswich actually the show's on in Ipswich for a week in September, or is it October? \par }\pard \ltrpar\ql \li0\ri0\widctlpar\wrapdefault\aspalpha\aspnum\faauto\adjustright\rin0\lin0\itap0\pararsid1207001 {\rtlch\fcs1 \af0 \ltrch\fcs0 \insrsid15950312 \par Nadia\tab \tab The beginning of October. \par \par JOHN\tab \tab October the 14th. \par \par PAUL\tab \tab Thank you. \par \par }\pard \ltrpar\ql \fi-1440\li1440\ri0\widctlpar\wrapdefault\aspalpha\aspnum\faauto\adjustright\rin0\lin1440\itap0\pararsid3751274 {\rtlch\fcs1 \af0 \ltrch\fcs0 \insrsid15950312 LIZ\tab The panicked faces in here. No it's not September. We're in September now. \par }\pard \ltrpar\ql \li0\ri0\widctlpar\wrapdefault\aspalpha\aspnum\faauto\adjustright\rin0\lin0\itap0\pararsid1207001 {\rtlch\fcs1 \af0 \ltrch\fcs0 \insrsid15950312 \par }\pard \ltrpar\ql \fi-1440\li1440\ri0\widctlpar\wrapdefault\aspalpha\aspnum\faauto\adjustright\rin0\lin1440\itap0\pararsid3751274 {\rtlch\fcs1 \af0 \ltrch\fcs0 \insrsid15950312 PAUL\tab So yeah we're in Ipswich for a few nights and then we're at Stratford, at Stratford East for about three or four weeks I think. \par }\pard \ltrpar\ql \li0\ri0\widctlpar\wrapdefault\aspalpha\aspnum\faauto\adjustright\rin0\lin0\itap0\pararsid1207001 {\rtlch\fcs1 \af0 \ltrch\fcs0 \insrsid15950312 \par Nadia\tab \tab Yeah three weeks. \par \par PAUL\tab \tab Through to the middle of November. \par \par SIMON\tab \tab This is quite a long website is it the name of the website what is it? \par \par JOHN\tab \tab www. \par \par LIZ\tab \tab That bit we're fine with. \par \par JOHN\tab \tab Reasonstobecheerfulthemusical.co.uk \par \par }\pard \ltrpar\ql \fi-1440\li1440\ri0\widctlpar\wrapdefault\aspalpha\aspnum\faauto\adjustright\rin0\lin1440\itap0\pararsid3751274 {\rtlch\fcs1 \af0 \ltrch\fcs0 \insrsid15950312 LIZ\tab Fantastic there'll be information on the website. Thank you so much for joining us and good luck with that. \par }\pard \ltrpar\ql \li0\ri0\widctlpar\wrapdefault\aspalpha\aspnum\faauto\adjustright\rin0\lin0\itap0\pararsid1207001 {\rtlch\fcs1 \af0 \ltrch\fcs0 \insrsid15950312 \par SIMON\tab \tab Absolutely good luck. \par \par }\pard \ltrpar\ql \fi-1440\li1440\ri0\widctlpar\wrapdefault\aspalpha\aspnum\faauto\adjustright\rin0\lin1440\itap0\pararsid3751274 {\rtlch\fcs1 \af0 \ltrch\fcs0 \insrsid15950312 LIZ\tab And we should add that our very own Mat Fraser is of course the drummer in the band in the musical as well. \par }\pard \ltrpar\ql \li0\ri0\widctlpar\wrapdefault\aspalpha\aspnum\faauto\adjustright\rin0\lin0\itap0\pararsid1207001 {\rtlch\fcs1 \af0 \ltrch\fcs0 \insrsid15950312 \par }\pard \ltrpar\ql \fi-1440\li1440\ri0\widctlpar\wrapdefault\aspalpha\aspnum\faauto\adjustright\rin0\lin1440\itap0\pararsid3751274 {\rtlch\fcs1 \af0 \ltrch\fcs0 \insrsid15950312 SIMON\tab So thank you to Nadia Albina, John Kelly and Paul Sirett, thanks so much for coming in and talking to us, appreciate it. \par }\pard \ltrpar\ql \li0\ri0\widctlpar\wrapdefault\aspalpha\aspnum\faauto\adjustright\rin0\lin0\itap0\pararsid1207001 {\rtlch\fcs1 \af0 \ltrch\fcs0 \insrsid15950312 \par PAUL\tab \tab Thanks very much. \par \par Nadia\tab \tab Thank you. \par \par LIZ\tab \tab Thank you. \par \par [Jingle: Now it's time for Vegetable, Vegetable or Vegetable] \par \par It might be two years until the London Paralympics start but this is the game people are really talking about, Simon. \par \par }\pard \ltrpar\ql \fi-1440\li1440\ri0\widctlpar\wrapdefault\aspalpha\aspnum\faauto\adjustright\rin0\lin1440\itap0\pararsid3751274 {\rtlch\fcs1 \af0 \ltrch\fcs0 \insrsid15950312 SIMON\tab We get a disabled person on the phone and try to guess their impairment. Thankfully we are not required to figure out which Paralympic category they would compete in. \par }\pard \ltrpar\ql \li0\ri0\widctlpar\wrapdefault\aspalpha\aspnum\faauto\adjustright\rin0\lin0\itap0\pararsid1207001 {\rtlch\fcs1 \af0 \ltrch\fcs0 \insrsid15950312 \par }\pard \ltrpar\ql \fi-1440\li1440\ri0\widctlpar\wrapdefault\aspalpha\aspnum\faauto\adjustright\rin0\lin1440\itap0\pararsid3751274 {\rtlch\fcs1 \af0 \ltrch\fcs0 \insrsid15950312 LIZ\tab Hm on the line from jolly old England, for a change, we have Emma. Hello Emma. \par }\pard \ltrpar\ql \li0\ri0\widctlpar\wrapdefault\aspalpha\aspnum\faauto\adjustright\rin0\lin0\itap0\pararsid1207001 {\rtlch\fcs1 \af0 \ltrch\fcs0 \insrsid15950312 \par EMMA\tab \tab Hello. \par \par LIZ\tab \tab Hello. \par \par SIMON\tab \tab Hi Emma. \par \par }\pard \ltrpar\ql \fi-1440\li1440\ri0\widctlpar\wrapdefault\aspalpha\aspnum\faauto\adjustright\rin0\lin1440\itap0\pararsid3751274 {\rtlch\fcs1 \af0 \ltrch\fcs0 \insrsid15950312 LIZ\tab Yes I had somebody actually write to me recently to say why are all our Veg, Veg and Veg contestants from abroad, have all the disabled people in the UK got too much pride to apply now, but Emma you don't? \par }\pard \ltrpar\ql \li0\ri0\widctlpar\wrapdefault\aspalpha\aspnum\faauto\adjustright\rin0\lin0\itap0\pararsid1207001 {\rtlch\fcs1 \af0 \ltrch\fcs0 \insrsid15950312 \par EMMA\tab \tab I have no pride at all. \par \par LIZ\tab \tab Yeh!!!! \par \par SIMON\tab \tab And you've made us proud Emma. Thank you for this. \par \par LIZ\tab \tab So where are you calling us from today? \par \par EMMA\tab \tab I'm calling you from Bristol. \par \par LIZ\tab \tab Bristol. \par \par SIMON\tab \tab Lovely. \par \par LIZ\tab \tab And do you work there? \par \par EMMA\tab \tab Yes. \par \par LIZ\tab \tab What do you do, can you tell us? \par \par EMMA\tab \tab I'm a legal secretary. \par \par LIZ\tab \tab A legal secretary. \par \par }\pard \ltrpar\ql \li0\ri0\widctlpar\wrapdefault\aspalpha\aspnum\faauto\adjustright\rin0\lin0\itap0\pararsid3751274 {\rtlch\fcs1 \af0 \ltrch\fcs0 \insrsid15950312 SIMON\tab \tab Interesting. \par }\pard \ltrpar\ql \li0\ri0\widctlpar\wrapdefault\aspalpha\aspnum\faauto\adjustright\rin0\lin0\itap0\pararsid1207001 {\rtlch\fcs1 \af0 \ltrch\fcs0 \insrsid15950312 \par LIZ\tab \tab Are you on a break at the moment? \par \par EMMA\tab \tab I'm on holiday for two weeks. \par \par LIZ\tab \tab Very nice. \par \par }\pard \ltrpar\ql \fi-1440\li1440\ri0\widctlpar\wrapdefault\aspalpha\aspnum\faauto\adjustright\rin0\lin1440\itap0\pararsid663954 {\rtlch\fcs1 \af0 \ltrch\fcs0 \insrsid15950312 SIMON\tab Are you going anywhere and what are you going to do for fun during this time? \par }\pard \ltrpar\ql \li0\ri0\widctlpar\wrapdefault\aspalpha\aspnum\faauto\adjustright\rin0\lin0\itap0\pararsid1207001 {\rtlch\fcs1 \af0 \ltrch\fcs0 \insrsid15950312 \par EMMA\tab \tab I'm planning on doing very little. \par \par SIMON\tab \tab That sounds very nice. What do you do to relax? \par \par EMMA\tab \tab I like rollercoasters and I do medieval recreations. \par \par SIMON\tab \tab Goodness me, interesting relaxing techniques there. \par \par LIZ\tab \tab What was the last one? \par \par SIMON\tab \tab Medieval what was it rehearsal it sounded like. \par \par EMMA\tab \tab Recreation. \par \par SIMON\tab \tab Are you re-enacting certain things? \par \par EMMA\tab \tab We're not re-enactors we do recreations. \par \par LIZ\tab \tab Okay. Is it the rules? \par \par SIMON\tab \tab Yes it is. \par \par LIZ\tab \tab Okay, go on Simon you do it this month. \par \par }\pard \ltrpar\ql \fi-1440\li1440\ri0\widctlpar\wrapdefault\aspalpha\aspnum\faauto\adjustright\rin0\lin1440\itap0\pararsid663954 {\rtlch\fcs1 \af0 \ltrch\fcs0 \insrsid15950312 SIMON\tab Vegetable, Vegetable or Vegetable is a clever disability interpretation of the parlour game Animal, Vegeta ble or Mineral. In the game the two hosts of the Ouch Talk Show have 90 seconds to guess what is wrong with the disabled caller on the line by asking a series of fiendishly intelligent questions. The caller must only answer \lquote yes\rquote or \rquote no\rquote It is both classic and therapeutic. \par }\pard \ltrpar\ql \li0\ri0\widctlpar\wrapdefault\aspalpha\aspnum\faauto\adjustright\rin0\lin0\itap0\pararsid1207001 {\rtlch\fcs1 \af0 \ltrch\fcs0 \insrsid15950312 \par }\pard \ltrpar\ql \fi-1440\li1440\ri0\widctlpar\wrapdefault\aspalpha\aspnum\faauto\adjustright\rin0\lin1440\itap0\pararsid663954 {\rtlch\fcs1 \af0 \ltrch\fcs0 \insrsid15950312 LIZ\tab To take part in this intrusive and unpleasant game the rules clearly state you have to be disabled. Emma, are you disabled? \par }\pard \ltrpar\ql \li0\ri0\widctlpar\wrapdefault\aspalpha\aspnum\faauto\adjustright\rin0\lin0\itap0\pararsid1207001 {\rtlch\fcs1 \af0 \ltrch\fcs0 \insrsid15950312 \par EMMA\tab \tab Yes. \par \par SIMON\tab \tab We have 90 seconds on the clock, your time starts now. \par \par LIZ\tab \tab Emma, do you take medication for your thing? \par \par EMMA\tab \tab Yes. \par \par SIMON\tab \tab Does it have a chip in it? \par \par EMMA\tab \tab No. \par \par LIZ\tab \tab Do you take medication to remind you to take your medication? \par \par EMMA\tab \tab No. \par \par }\pard \ltrpar\ql \fi-1440\li1440\ri0\widctlpar\wrapdefault\aspalpha\aspnum\faauto\adjustright\rin0\lin1440\itap0\pararsid663954 {\rtlch\fcs1 \af0 \ltrch\fcs0 \insrsid15950312 SIMON \tab This isn't going to get it is it? Okay, you take medication. If we met you would we be able to tell you have some sort of impairment? \par }\pard \ltrpar\ql \li0\ri0\widctlpar\wrapdefault\aspalpha\aspnum\faauto\adjustright\rin0\lin0\itap0\pararsid1207001 {\rtlch\fcs1 \af0 \ltrch\fcs0 \insrsid15950312 \par EMMA\tab \tab No. \par \par LIZ\tab \tab Do you regularly go to the hospital? \par \par EMMA\tab \tab Yes. \par \par LIZ\tab \tab Do you... can you walk? \par \par EMMA\tab \tab Yes. \par \par LIZ\tab \tab Yes because you can see it. \par \par SIMON\tab \tab No you can't see it yes. \par \par LIZ\tab \tab Oh you can't see it, oh God okay. Go on. \par \par }\pard \ltrpar\ql \fi-1440\li1440\ri0\widctlpar\wrapdefault\aspalpha\aspnum\faauto\adjustright\rin0\lin1440\itap0\pararsid663954 {\rtlch\fcs1 \af0 \ltrch\fcs0 \insrsid15950312 SIMON\tab If you didn't have this medication or these hospital... how frequently are the visits oh you've got to say yes or no. Would you go to the hospital once a month or more than? \par }\pard \ltrpar\ql \li0\ri0\widctlpar\wrapdefault\aspalpha\aspnum\faauto\adjustright\rin0\lin0\itap0\pararsid1207001 {\rtlch\fcs1 \af0 \ltrch\fcs0 \insrsid15950312 \par EMMA\tab \tab Less than. \par \par LIZ\tab \tab Is it a neurological thing? \par \par EMMA\tab \tab No. \par \par LIZ\tab \tab Is it like an arthritis thing? \par \par EMMA\tab \tab No. \par \par SIMON\tab \tab Is it a fixed thing is it going to change or is it fixed sorry? \par \par EMMA\tab \tab It's not fixed. \par \par SIMON\tab \tab Not fixed. \par \par LIZ\tab \tab Oh so it's all over the place. Is it ME? \par \par EMMA\tab \tab Yes but that's not the one I was talking about. \par \par SIMON\tab \tab Oh you've got two. \par \par LIZ\tab \tab Oh you're one of these lots of things. \par \par SIMON\tab \tab (inaudible) okay. \par \par LIZ\tab \tab ME, MS? \par \par SIMON\tab \tab Mental health? \par \par EMMA\tab \tab Yeah. \par \par SIMON\tab \tab Oh so like depression or schizophrenia? \par \par LIZ\tab \tab Bipolar are you bipolar? \par \par EMMA\tab \tab Yes. \par \par SIMON\tab \tab Which one bipolar? \par \par EMMA\tab \tab Bipolar. \par \par SIMON\tab \tab HOORAH!!! \par \par LIZ\tab \tab WHAAA, WHAA oh my God sorry. \par \par SIMON\tab \tab Sorry, sorry. \par \par EMMA\tab \tab I've got two and you got both. \par \par SIMON\tab \tab Get out of here. \par \par LIZ\tab \tab Whoo! I'm pleased as punch. Pleased as punch Emma. \par \par SIMON\tab \tab That we got it. \par \par LIZ\tab \tab Well that she's got them, I mean both really. \par \par EMMA\tab \tab Yeah. \par \par SIMON\tab \tab So bipolar we got and the other one was ME. \par \par LIZ\tab \tab Yeah. \par \par EMMA\tab \tab ME. \par \par }\pard \ltrpar\ql \fi-1440\li1440\ri0\widctlpar\wrapdefault\aspalpha\aspnum\faauto\adjustright\rin0\lin1440\itap0\pararsid8962 {\rtlch\fcs1 \af0 \ltrch\fcs0 \insrsid15950312 LIZ\tab You know quite a mouthful so when people find out you've got those two things what are the ridiculous things that they ask you? \par }\pard \ltrpar\ql \li0\ri0\widctlpar\wrapdefault\aspalpha\aspnum\faauto\adjustright\rin0\lin0\itap0\pararsid1207001 {\rtlch\fcs1 \af0 \ltrch\fcs0 \insrsid15950312 \par }\pard \ltrpar\ql \fi-1440\li1440\ri0\widctlpar\wrapdefault\aspalpha\aspnum\faauto\adjustright\rin0\lin1440\itap0\pararsid8962 {\rtlch\fcs1 \af0 \ltrch\fcs0 \insrsid15950312 EMMA\tab With the ME they say, "But you're up, you're not in bed" and I'm like, "Yeah." And of course if I'm using a wheelchair it's, "How long have you been in that?" And I'm looking at my watch saying, "Oh ten minutes." \par }\pard \ltrpar\ql \li0\ri0\widctlpar\wrapdefault\aspalpha\aspnum\faauto\adjustright\rin0\lin0\itap0\pararsid1207001 {\rtlch\fcs1 \af0 \ltrch\fcs0 \insrsid15950312 \par }\pard \ltrpar\ql \fi-1440\li1440\ri0\widctlpar\wrapdefault\aspalpha\aspnum\faauto\adjustright\rin0\lin1440\itap0\pararsid8962 {\rtlch\fcs1 \af0 \ltrch\fcs0 \insrsid15950312 SIMO\tab So it is actually, I mean, forgive me I might be wrong here but is bipolar easier to explain, you know, do people get that easier than ME? \par }\pard \ltrpar\ql \li0\ri0\widctlpar\wrapdefault\aspalpha\aspnum\faauto\adjustright\rin0\lin0\itap0\pararsid1207001 {\rtlch\fcs1 \af0 \ltrch\fcs0 \insrsid15950312 \par }\pard \ltrpar\ql \fi-1440\li1440\ri0\widctlpar\wrapdefault\aspalpha\aspnum\faauto\adjustright\rin0\lin1440\itap0\pararsid8962 {\rtlch\fcs1 \af0 \ltrch\fcs0 \insrsid15950312 EMMA\tab Yes definitely. Especially since Stephen Fry and all the famous bipolar... \par }\pard \ltrpar\ql \li0\ri0\widctlpar\wrapdefault\aspalpha\aspnum\faauto\adjustright\rin0\lin0\itap0\pararsid1207001 {\rtlch\fcs1 \af0 \ltrch\fcs0 \insrsid15950312 \par }\pard \ltrpar\ql \fi-1440\li1440\ri0\widctlpar\wrapdefault\aspalpha\aspnum\faauto\adjustright\rin0\lin1440\itap0\pararsid8962 {\rtlch\fcs1 \af0 \ltrch\fcs0 \insrsid15950312 LIZ\tab You've got quite an unusual combination there, or I would think that's an unusual combination. \par }\pard \ltrpar\ql \li0\ri0\widctlpar\wrapdefault\aspalpha\aspnum\faauto\adjustright\rin0\lin0\itap0\pararsid1207001 {\rtlch\fcs1 \af0 \ltrch\fcs0 \insrsid15950312 \par SIMON\tab \tab Combo (inaudible) \par \par EMMA\tab \tab Yeah. I'm the only person I know with both combos. \par \par LIZ\tab \tab A condition combo we're calling it now. \par \par EMMA\tab \tab Yeah. \par \par LIZ\tab \tab I like that, I like these. Excellent. \par \par SIMON\tab \tab And what does it actually mean to have both of those? \par \par }\pard \ltrpar\ql \fi-1440\li1440\ri0\widctlpar\wrapdefault\aspalpha\aspnum\faauto\adjustright\rin0\lin1440\itap0\pararsid8962 {\rtlch\fcs1 \af0 \ltrch\fcs0 \insrsid15950312 EMMA\tab It's difficult when I'm on a manic with the bipolar I can't do what my body wants to do because the ME won't let me. \par }\pard \ltrpar\ql \li0\ri0\widctlpar\wrapdefault\aspalpha\aspnum\faauto\adjustright\rin0\lin0\itap0\pararsid1207001 {\rtlch\fcs1 \af0 \ltrch\fcs0 \insrsid15950312 \par SIMON\tab \tab So they kind of conflict with each other sometimes. \par \par EMMA\tab \tab They do conflict. \par \par SIMON\tab \tab Wow! \par \par EMMA\tab \tab And when I take my meds if I jump up and down I'll rattle. \par \par }\pard \ltrpar\ql \fi-1440\li1440\ri0\widctlpar\wrapdefault\aspalpha\aspnum\faauto\adjustright\rin0\lin1440\itap0\pararsid8962 {\rtlch\fcs1 \af0 \ltrch\fcs0 \insrsid15950312 LIZ\tab Emma, you've been fantastic. Really did you do it for this or did you do it for the mug? \par }\pard \ltrpar\ql \li0\ri0\widctlpar\wrapdefault\aspalpha\aspnum\faauto\adjustright\rin0\lin0\itap0\pararsid1207001 {\rtlch\fcs1 \af0 \ltrch\fcs0 \insrsid15950312 \par EMMA\tab \tab I did it for the mug. \par \par LIZ\tab \tab Oh man. You are our medicine bottle of the month. \par \par EMMA\tab \tab Yes. \par \par SIMON\tab \tab Thank you so much, Emma. \par \par EMMA\tab \tab No problem. \par \par SIMON\tab \tab And we're very thrilled to have guessed, that's very exciting. \par \par LIZ\tab \tab Yes, thank you for letting us guess, you were easy on us. \par \par EMMA\tab \tab No problem. \par \par LIZ\tab \tab You take care. \par \par }\pard \ltrpar\ql \fi-1440\li1440\ri0\widctlpar\wrapdefault\aspalpha\aspnum\faauto\adjustright\rin0\lin1440\itap0\pararsid8962 {\rtlch\fcs1 \af0 \ltrch\fcs0 \insrsid15950312 SIMON\tab And if you loved that and want to be the next contestant on Vegetable, Vegetable or Vegetable do what Emma did and email ouch@bbc.co.uk with the subject line 'I have no personal pride whatsoever'. \par }\pard \ltrpar\ql \li0\ri0\widctlpar\wrapdefault\aspalpha\aspnum\faauto\adjustright\rin0\lin0\itap0\pararsid1207001 {\rtlch\fcs1 \af0 \ltrch\fcs0 \insrsid15950312 \par [Jingle: If you've never seen a severely handicapped person trying to speak before it can be a bit alarming.] \par \par Liz, Sunday we haven't heard proper details and I'm sure the listeners want to hear. \par \par LIZ\tab \tab Hold on. \par \par SIMON\tab \tab Will you stop scratching. Will you stop that scratching. \par \par LIZ\tab \tab I'm rubbing myself on my chair. \par \par SIMON\tab \tab It's unnecessary well I suppose it and I have seen that picture. \par \par LIZ\tab \tab Later. Later. \par \par SIMON\tab \tab I want to hear it. \par \par }\pard \ltrpar\ql \fi-1440\li1440\ri0\widctlpar\wrapdefault\aspalpha\aspnum\faauto\adjustright\rin0\lin1440\itap0\pararsid8962 {\rtlch\fcs1 \af0 \ltrch\fcs0 \insrsid15950312 LIZ\tab I need you to tell me something because I've been away and I have been out of the news and disability stuff, Scooter Girl, I keep hearing about Scooter Girl and all I keep thinking is the Avril... \par }\pard \ltrpar\ql \li0\ri0\widctlpar\wrapdefault\aspalpha\aspnum\faauto\adjustright\rin0\lin0\itap0\pararsid1207001 {\rtlch\fcs1 \af0 \ltrch\fcs0 \insrsid15950312 \par SIMON\tab \tab Lavigne. \par \par LIZ\tab \tab Lavigne is that it that scooter \'f1 what is it called? \par \par SIMON\tab \tab Skater. \par \par }\pard \ltrpar\ql \fi-1440\li1440\ri0\widctlpar\wrapdefault\aspalpha\aspnum\faauto\adjustright\rin0\lin1440\itap0\pararsid8962 {\rtlch\fcs1 \af0 \ltrch\fcs0 \insrsid15950312 LIZ\tab Skater I don't kn ow I'm not up with the youth. Skater Boy that's right. But now we have Scooter Girl who's Scooter Girl what's going on? \par }\pard \ltrpar\ql \li0\ri0\widctlpar\wrapdefault\aspalpha\aspnum\faauto\adjustright\rin0\lin0\itap0\pararsid1207001 {\rtlch\fcs1 \af0 \ltrch\fcs0 \insrsid15950312 \par }\pard \ltrpar\ql \fi-1440\li1440\ri0\widctlpar\wrapdefault\aspalpha\aspnum\faauto\adjustright\rin0\lin1440\itap0\pararsid8962 {\rtlch\fcs1 \af0 \ltrch\fcs0 \insrsid15950312 SIMON\tab This is Tanyalee Davis, she's a comedian, she's a short comedian, she's 3'6" tall, as her publicity will tell you. And I have a little bit of empathy with her. I mean she's gone on this sort of one woman campaign because she can't get her scooter onto trains and buses and it's sort of random rules about access. \par }\pard \ltrpar\ql \li0\ri0\widctlpar\wrapdefault\aspalpha\aspnum\faauto\adjustright\rin0\lin0\itap0\pararsid1207001 {\rtlch\fcs1 \af0 \ltrch\fcs0 \insrsid15950312 \par LIZ\tab \tab So this is her mobility scooter. She comes over she uses a... \par \par SIMON\tab \tab From Canada. \par \par }\pard \ltrpar\ql \fi-1440\li1440\ri0\widctlpar\wrapdefault\aspalpha\aspnum\faauto\adjustright\rin0\lin1440\itap0\pararsid8962 {\rtlch\fcs1 \af0 \ltrch\fcs0 \insrsid15950312 LIZ\tab Yeah. And she stays with us sometimes and she does rattle on about this whole scooter malarkey, but as an electric wheelchair user I'm like I can't be bothered listening sometimes. Why do you have problems then because you use a scooter sometimes, Simon? \par }\pard \ltrpar\ql \li0\ri0\widctlpar\wrapdefault\aspalpha\aspnum\faauto\adjustright\rin0\lin0\itap0\pararsid1207001 {\rtlch\fcs1 \af0 \ltrch\fcs0 \insrsid15950312 \par }\pard \ltrpar\ql \fi-1440\li1440\ri0\widctlpar\wrapdefault\aspalpha\aspnum\faauto\adjustright\rin0\lin1440\itap0\pararsid8962 {\rtlch\fcs1 \af0 \ltrch\fcs0 \insrsid15950312 SIMON\tab But I think it's because they don't know how to cope with them. There are three types of scooter, this is going to become exciting again, I'm sure I've done this before. But we have the baby one, it's tiny, it's about a metre long so that's three and a half foot, something like that. She's saying, "Disability Discrimination Act came in and they didn't consider scooters." So you say I have a scooter and actually what they think is it's some big electric wheelchair and so they just haven't got the capacity. And yet they're becoming more and more commonplace. It's frustrating we've done campaigns, as in working with Disability Rights organisations about making disabled people confident to get on trains and buses, and here i s a person who wants to use it all the time and she's being denied. \par }\pard \ltrpar\ql \li0\ri0\widctlpar\wrapdefault\aspalpha\aspnum\faauto\adjustright\rin0\lin0\itap0\pararsid1207001 {\rtlch\fcs1 \af0 \ltrch\fcs0 \insrsid15950312 \par }\pard \ltrpar\ql \fi-1440\li1440\ri0\widctlpar\wrapdefault\aspalpha\aspnum\faauto\adjustright\rin0\lin1440\itap0\pararsid11354516 {\rtlch\fcs1 \af0 \ltrch\fcs0 \insrsid15950312 LIZ\tab Okay. So we used to campaign to get on public transport, did the whole chaining ourselves, the campaigning and whatever, and transport in certain parts of the country has improved hu gely. If you're a wheelchair user it can be a bit haphazard or the ramp's broken and whatever, but generally... \par }\pard \ltrpar\ql \li0\ri0\widctlpar\wrapdefault\aspalpha\aspnum\faauto\adjustright\rin0\lin0\itap0\pararsid1207001 {\rtlch\fcs1 \af0 \ltrch\fcs0 \insrsid15950312 \par SIMON\tab \tab The facilities are, in theory, there. \par \par }\pard \ltrpar\ql \fi-1440\li1440\ri0\widctlpar\wrapdefault\aspalpha\aspnum\faauto\adjustright\rin0\lin1440\itap0\pararsid11354516 {\rtlch\fcs1 \af0 \ltrch\fcs0 \insrsid15950312 LIZ\tab Right. But Scooter Gir l is Tanyalee okay well she has just been up at Edinburgh Fringe, listeners, which is the whole month of August is a fringe festival of art and comedy and Tanyalee was up there in Scotland. And she said that every night and day she needed to get back to h e r accommodation on the bus. And after the first night when she did use it, the next morning they were like, "Sorry we don't take scooters." And it would be the middle of the night she'd be trying to get home after a show, early in the morning and they wou l dn't let her on, absolutely wouldn't. It's like they closed ranks and that was it. And one of the things that she... because she's come over, and she's so passionate and so wants to get this sorted, that she's done a bit of research. And one of the things apparently is that scooters are seen as alternatives to public transport. So they're seen as like little vehicles in their own right. And you know what she drives is certainly not it's like an electric wheelchair in its purpose. \par }\pard \ltrpar\ql \li0\ri0\widctlpar\wrapdefault\aspalpha\aspnum\faauto\adjustright\rin0\lin0\itap0\pararsid1207001 {\rtlch\fcs1 \af0 \ltrch\fcs0 \insrsid15950312 \par }\pard \ltrpar\ql \fi-1440\li1440\ri0\widctlpar\wrapdefault\aspalpha\aspnum\faauto\adjustright\rin0\lin1440\itap0\pararsid11103717 {\rtlch\fcs1 \af0 \ltrch\fcs0 \insrsid15950312 SIMON\tab I was going to say in that sense it isn't, it's the equivalent so why... if you like have that argument you say electric wheelchairs... the problem is we're having a sophisticated argument which a bus driver won't necessarily know or a train driver or whoever it might be. T he bit that I kind of like of what she's doing, you said about the chaining and so on, and I mean she wrote to me a couple of emails, can you give me some help, I need some contacts, I need some thoughts and I started structuring stuff and I said, "Come o n let's talk about strategy and de, de, de, da." And then essentially she's dumped all that she's just going out and she is talking to anybody and everybody she possibly can. It's almost like a name and shame campaign to say, "Listen, this is absurd, why a re you being such twits about this? Why can you not just let me get on with it?" And if she can get some big comedians beside it people will be embarrassed to change rather than trying, you know, go through official channels. \par }\pard \ltrpar\ql \li0\ri0\widctlpar\wrapdefault\aspalpha\aspnum\faauto\adjustright\rin0\lin0\itap0\pararsid1207001 {\rtlch\fcs1 \af0 \ltrch\fcs0 \insrsid15950312 \par }\pard \ltrpar\ql \fi-1440\li1440\ri0\widctlpar\wrapdefault\aspalpha\aspnum\faauto\adjustright\rin0\lin1440\itap0\pararsid11103717 {\rtlch\fcs1 \af0 \ltrch\fcs0 \insrsid15950312 LIZ\tab That's what really stru ck with me is... and really made me smile this absolute passion and sense of injustice that I certainly think some of us sometimes have lost. We had it and I'm not at all saying we haven't still got it and that people aren't out there trying to really cha n ge things. But she's come up with this, this is so wrong and she wants to talk to the Mayor of London and meet the Prime Minister, you know, and it's got this almost she doesn't see that these things would be a problem she's just like I'm going to make th is happen and I'm going to... And it's quite refreshing when you've tried campaigning the other way and sometimes it can get very tiring. So I'm enthused myself. \par }\pard \ltrpar\ql \li0\ri0\widctlpar\wrapdefault\aspalpha\aspnum\faauto\adjustright\rin0\lin0\itap0\pararsid1207001 {\rtlch\fcs1 \af0 \ltrch\fcs0 \insrsid15950312 \par }\pard \ltrpar\ql \fi-1440\li1440\ri0\widctlpar\wrapdefault\aspalpha\aspnum\faauto\adjustright\rin0\lin1440\itap0\pararsid11103717 {\rtlch\fcs1 \af0 \ltrch\fcs0 \insrsid15950312 SIMON\tab I think also getting that button pushed which you occasionally get. If I challenged e verybody who made a comment to me in the street I would spend my whole life doing something (inaudible). So a lot of them I just let come off, water off a duck's back. But then there's a button pressed once where it goes too far. And I think with Tanyalee she was abandoned at 5:00am, she couldn't get home, she was trying to call people and nobody was answering, and this whole thing must be so traumatic and emotionally difficult. \par }\pard \ltrpar\ql \li0\ri0\widctlpar\wrapdefault\aspalpha\aspnum\faauto\adjustright\rin0\lin0\itap0\pararsid1207001 {\rtlch\fcs1 \af0 \ltrch\fcs0 \insrsid15950312 \par }\pard \ltrpar\ql \fi-1440\li1440\ri0\widctlpar\wrapdefault\aspalpha\aspnum\faauto\adjustright\rin0\lin1440\itap0\pararsid11103717 {\rtlch\fcs1 \af0 \ltrch\fcs0 \insrsid15950312 LIZ\tab It's funny because she was saying about, you know, that this particular person hasn't been hugely political around disability. \par }\pard \ltrpar\ql \li0\ri0\widctlpar\wrapdefault\aspalpha\aspnum\faauto\adjustright\rin0\lin0\itap0\pararsid1207001 {\rtlch\fcs1 \af0 \ltrch\fcs0 \insrsid15950312 \par SIMON\tab \tab Not at all. \par \par }\pard \ltrpar\ql \fi-1440\li1440\ri0\widctlpar\wrapdefault\aspalpha\aspnum\faauto\adjustright\rin0\lin1440\itap0\pararsid11103717 {\rtlch\fcs1 \af0 \ltrch\fcs0 \insrsid15950312 LIZ\tab What about Ian Dury today, you know, he used his music politically, different people use their disability in different ways and politics often comes into it. Not really for Tanyalee she didn't have that. And this really interestingly I think seems to be what's flicked her switch. And I think we have that. Sometimes you get that as disabled people there's something where you just go "You know what, enough is enough." \par }\pard \ltrpar\ql \li0\ri0\widctlpar\wrapdefault\aspalpha\aspnum\faauto\adjustright\rin0\lin0\itap0\pararsid1207001 {\rtlch\fcs1 \af0 \ltrch\fcs0 \insrsid15950312 \par }\pard \ltrpar\ql \fi-1440\li1440\ri0\widctlpar\wrapdefault\aspalpha\aspnum\faauto\adjustright\rin0\lin1440\itap0\pararsid11103717 {\rtlch\fcs1 \af0 \ltrch\fcs0 \insrsid15950312 SIMON\tab And I don't know whether \'f1 I'm going to get in trouble here with her but I don't know if it's an age thing or it's just a constant having to battle against something. But yeah this was the straw that broke the camel's back, if that's the right phrase. \par }\pard \ltrpar\ql \li0\ri0\widctlpar\wrapdefault\aspalpha\aspnum\faauto\adjustright\rin0\lin0\itap0\pararsid1207001 {\rtlch\fcs1 \af0 \ltrch\fcs0 \insrsid15950312 \par }\pard \ltrpar\ql \fi-1440\li1440\ri0\widctlpar\wrapdefault\aspalpha\aspnum\faauto\adjustright\rin0\lin1440\itap0\pararsid75853 {\rtlch\fcs1 \af0 \ltrch\fcs0 \insrsid15950312 LIZ\tab Tanyalee and all the people supporting her on this campaign, Scooter Girl campaign, are using things like Facebook and Twitter. And the other thing that she's going to start using is YouTube and I think that's a state of where we're at nowadays, she's actually using... you know if we chained ourselves to buses she's using things that make people go, "Oh my God." And being on the streets and blocking the streets that had its day in a way but people are so much logged in to what's on the TV or what they c an download that she's going for it at that angle, so she's going for some funny clips on YouTube to try and get people's attention and go, "That's funny but oh my God I can't believe that's really happening." Do you think that's an effective way, is that a positive move forward? \par }\pard \ltrpar\ql \li0\ri0\widctlpar\wrapdefault\aspalpha\aspnum\faauto\adjustright\rin0\lin0\itap0\pararsid1207001 {\rtlch\fcs1 \af0 \ltrch\fcs0 \insrsid15950312 \par }\pard \ltrpar\ql \fi-1440\li1440\ri0\widctlpar\wrapdefault\aspalpha\aspnum\faauto\adjustright\rin0\lin1440\itap0\pararsid75853 {\rtlch\fcs1 \af0 \ltrch\fcs0 \insrsid15950312 SIMON\tab One has it got to be funny, don't get me wrong I love being funny I think you can get a better message across, but does she need a shocking one? I've had on an aeroplane where you were so distraught that you'd been abandon ed I used to cry, because it was so draining. Now I know how to play the game and I'll play with them and I'll get it back and it will be sorted. \par }\pard \ltrpar\ql \li0\ri0\widctlpar\wrapdefault\aspalpha\aspnum\faauto\adjustright\rin0\lin0\itap0\pararsid1207001 {\rtlch\fcs1 \af0 \ltrch\fcs0 \insrsid15950312 \par }\pard \ltrpar\ql \fi-1440\li1440\ri0\widctlpar\wrapdefault\aspalpha\aspnum\faauto\adjustright\rin0\lin1440\itap0\pararsid75853 {\rtlch\fcs1 \af0 \ltrch\fcs0 \insrsid15950312 LIZ\tab I noticed that some of the ideas were about the other things that you're allowed to take on buses that are prams so she was going to get in a pram or... \par }\pard \ltrpar\ql \li0\ri0\widctlpar\wrapdefault\aspalpha\aspnum\faauto\adjustright\rin0\lin0\itap0\pararsid1207001 {\rtlch\fcs1 \af0 \ltrch\fcs0 \insrsid15950312 \par SIMON\tab \tab Right got you. \par \par }\pard \ltrpar\ql \fi-1440\li1440\ri0\widctlpar\wrapdefault\aspalpha\aspnum\faauto\adjustright\rin0\lin1440\itap0\pararsid75853 {\rtlch\fcs1 \af0 \ltrch\fcs0 \insrsid15950312 LIZ\tab Like a double base case, she was going to get in there. A big suitcase things that drivers... \par }\pard \ltrpar\ql \li0\ri0\widctlpar\wrapdefault\aspalpha\aspnum\faauto\adjustright\rin0\lin0\itap0\pararsid1207001 {\rtlch\fcs1 \af0 \ltrch\fcs0 \insrsid15950312 \par SIMON\tab \tab She's an inspiration. \par \par LIZ\tab \tab And we were saying she's got politics. \par \par }\pard \ltrpar\ql \fi-1440\li1440\ri0\widctlpar\wrapdefault\aspalpha\aspnum\faauto\adjustright\rin0\lin1440\itap0\pararsid75853 {\rtlch\fcs1 \af0 \ltrch\fcs0 \insrsid15950312 SIMON\tab Have you seen her recently? Have you been hanging out with her at all, maybe Sunday? Anything happen inspirational? Please! \par }\pard \ltrpar\ql \li0\ri0\widctlpar\wrapdefault\aspalpha\aspnum\faauto\adjustright\rin0\lin0\itap0\pararsid1207001 {\rtlch\fcs1 \af0 \ltrch\fcs0 \insrsid15950312 \par LIZ\tab \tab You want to know (inaudible) \par \par SIMON\tab \tab I've seen a picture of this thing. \par \par LIZ\tab \tab This thing! Thank you. \par \par }\pard \ltrpar\ql \fi-1440\li1440\ri0\widctlpar\wrapdefault\aspalpha\aspnum\faauto\adjustright\rin0\lin1440\itap0\pararsid75853 {\rtlch\fcs1 \af0 \ltrch\fcs0 \insrsid15950312 SIMON\tab I g ot a text message on Sunday evening inviting me to a certain thing and I thought oh it's Sunday and I'm just tired and de, de, da so I didn't. And now I'm thinking I made the biggest mistake of my life. \par }\pard \ltrpar\ql \li0\ri0\widctlpar\wrapdefault\aspalpha\aspnum\faauto\adjustright\rin0\lin0\itap0\pararsid1207001 {\rtlch\fcs1 \af0 \ltrch\fcs0 \insrsid15950312 \par LIZ\tab \tab I came back from my lovely cottage, my lovely quiet week in... \par \par SIMO\tab \tab Isolation. \par \par }\pard \ltrpar\ql \fi-1440\li1440\ri0\widctlpar\wrapdefault\aspalpha\aspnum\faauto\adjustright\rin0\lin1440\itap0\pararsid75853 {\rtlch\fcs1 \af0 \ltrch\fcs0 \insrsid15950312 LIZ\tab ... in the cottage, isolation and all that and was invited to a Jacuzzi or hot tub party, which sounds very glamorous. In the centre of London it's a bit less glamorous when it's in somebody's back garden, I'll be honest. And when it's very, very inaccessible it's less glamorous as well. \par }\pard \ltrpar\ql \li0\ri0\widctlpar\wrapdefault\aspalpha\aspnum\faauto\adjustright\rin0\lin0\itap0\pararsid1207001 {\rtlch\fcs1 \af0 \ltrch\fcs0 \insrsid15950312 \par SIMON\tab \tab Oh my life! \par \par }\pard \ltrpar\ql \fi-1440\li1440\ri0\widctlpar\wrapdefault\aspalpha\aspnum\faauto\adjustright\rin0\lin1440\itap0\pararsid75853 {\rtlch\fcs1 \af0 \ltrch\fcs0 \insrsid15950312 LIZ\tab And what Simon is referring to is of course you're only five minutes out of the water when you're on Facebook and there's a picture of me and Tanyalee, she's 3'6" you know, and a bunch of other people. \par }\pard \ltrpar\ql \li0\ri0\widctlpar\wrapdefault\aspalpha\aspnum\faauto\adjustright\rin0\lin0\itap0\pararsid1207001 {\rtlch\fcs1 \af0 \ltrch\fcs0 \insrsid15950312 \par SIMON\tab \tab You need to see the picture... \par \par LIZ\tab \tab You do need to see the picture. \par \par }\pard \ltrpar\ql \fi-1440\li1440\ri0\widctlpar\wrapdefault\aspalpha\aspnum\faauto\adjustright\rin0\lin1440\itap0\pararsid75853 {\rtlch\fcs1 \af0 \ltrch\fcs0 \insrsid15950312 SIMON\tab ... and you can see like ten bottles of champagne's disappeared. There is a dog floating around in the water, I've no idea what that is. And there are five women that are just kind of lolloped over each other. \par }\pard \ltrpar\ql \li0\ri0\widctlpar\wrapdefault\aspalpha\aspnum\faauto\adjustright\rin0\lin0\itap0\pararsid1207001 {\rtlch\fcs1 \af0 \ltrch\fcs0 \insrsid15950312 \par LIZ No it's not... \par \par }\pard \ltrpar\ql \fi-1440\li1440\ri0\widctlpar\wrapdefault\aspalpha\aspnum\faauto\adjustright\rin0\lin1440\itap0\pararsid75853 {\rtlch\fcs1 \af0 \ltrch\fcs0 \insrsid15950312 SIMON\tab And they're all quite, what I would say, very strong formidable women. And I thought if I'd gone to that I would have been eaten alive. \par }\pard \ltrpar\ql \li0\ri0\widctlpar\wrapdefault\aspalpha\aspnum\faauto\adjustright\rin0\lin0\itap0\pararsid1207001 {\rtlch\fcs1 \af0 \ltrch\fcs0 \insrsid15950312 \par }\pard \ltrpar\ql \fi-1440\li1440\ri0\widctlpar\wrapdefault\aspalpha\aspnum\faauto\adjustright\rin0\lin1440\itap0\pararsid75853 {\rtlch\fcs1 \af0 \ltrch\fcs0 \insrsid15950312 LIZ\tab But, okay, we were in there for hours. It was quite nasty because we had a tray of floating snacks. \par }\pard \ltrpar\ql \li0\ri0\widctlpar\wrapdefault\aspalpha\aspnum\faauto\adjustright\rin0\lin0\itap0\pararsid1207001 {\rtlch\fcs1 \af0 \ltrch\fcs0 \insrsid15950312 \par }\pard \ltrpar\ql \fi-1440\li1440\ri0\widctlpar\wrapdefault\aspalpha\aspnum\faauto\adjustright\rin0\lin1440\itap0\pararsid75853 {\rtlch\fcs1 \af0 \ltrch\fcs0 \insrsid15950312 SIMON\tab I'm so glad you finished that with that word, I really wondered where that was going. \par }\pard \ltrpar\ql \li0\ri0\widctlpar\wrapdefault\aspalpha\aspnum\faauto\adjustright\rin0\lin0\itap0\pararsid1207001 {\rtlch\fcs1 \af0 \ltrch\fcs0 \insrsid15950312 \par LIZ\tab \tab But the snacks fell in. \par \par SIMON\tab \tab Will you stop scratching. \par \par }\pard \ltrpar\ql \fi-1440\li1440\ri0\widctlpar\wrapdefault\aspalpha\aspnum\faauto\adjustright\rin0\lin1440\itap0\pararsid75853 {\rtlch\fcs1 \af0 \ltrch\fcs0 \insrsid15950312 LIZ\tab So for the last hour you're sitting there and an olive's coming towards you. \par }\pard \ltrpar\ql \li0\ri0\widctlpar\wrapdefault\aspalpha\aspnum\faauto\adjustright\rin0\lin0\itap0\pararsid1207001 {\rtlch\fcs1 \af0 \ltrch\fcs0 \insrsid15950312 \par SIMON\tab \tab Or a little cheesy Whatsit floats up. \par \par }\pard \ltrpar\ql \fi-1440\li1440\ri0\widctlpar\wrapdefault\aspalpha\aspnum\faauto\adjustright\rin0\lin1440\itap0\pararsid75853 {\rtlch\fcs1 \af0 \ltrch\fcs0 \insrsid15950312 LIZ\tab It was really nasty. Honestly the idea of it sounds very glamorous and very rock star. I promise you that's not how I live because I was sitting in there, and the nicest thing for me is that it was warm because I feel the cold, and I'm sitting there and I'm thinking this isn't the person I want to be. Honestly this isn't the person I want to be because I don't really drink so everyone around me was really drunk, I'm scared of water okay? \par }\pard \ltrpar\ql \li0\ri0\widctlpar\wrapdefault\aspalpha\aspnum\faauto\adjustright\rin0\lin0\itap0\pararsid1207001 {\rtlch\fcs1 \af0 \ltrch\fcs0 \insrsid15950312 \par SIMON\tab \tab Oh dear. \par \par }\pard \ltrpar\ql \fi-1440\li1440\ri0\widctlpar\wrapdefault\aspalpha\aspnum\faauto\adjustright\rin0\lin1440\itap0\pararsid75853 {\rtlch\fcs1 \af0 \ltrch\fcs0 \insrsid15950312 LIZ\tab So by the end of it, right, and I have to tell you one bit before we finish, that by the end of it I'm surrounded by two of my biggest fears - water and drunk people as a disabled person thinking how the hell am I going to get out, okay. Tanyalee was quite sob er so she said, "Hold on to me while... \par }\pard \ltrpar\ql \li0\ri0\widctlpar\wrapdefault\aspalpha\aspnum\faauto\adjustright\rin0\lin0\itap0\pararsid1207001 {\rtlch\fcs1 \af0 \ltrch\fcs0 \insrsid15950312 \par SIMON\tab \tab She's 3'6" yeah. \par \par }\pard \ltrpar\ql \fi-1440\li1440\ri0\widctlpar\wrapdefault\aspalpha\aspnum\faauto\adjustright\rin0\lin1440\itap0\pararsid75853 {\rtlch\fcs1 \af0 \ltrch\fcs0 \insrsid15950312 LIZ\tab While your partner gets out to lift you out okay. And Jo she was the best of a bad job, she was less drunk than most people. So I'm holding onto Tanyalee, Tanyalee starts to sli p and she disappeared under the water and I'm so scared about losing my balance. \par }\pard \ltrpar\ql \li0\ri0\widctlpar\wrapdefault\aspalpha\aspnum\faauto\adjustright\rin0\lin0\itap0\pararsid1207001 {\rtlch\fcs1 \af0 \ltrch\fcs0 \insrsid15950312 \par SIMON\tab \tab I notice you were floating over the jets (inaudible). \par \par LIZ\tab \tab And she turns over and there's this bottom that surfaces. \par \par SIMON\tab \tab Did you grab onto it like a bit of driftwood. Save me! \par \par }\pard \ltrpar\ql \fi-1440\li1440\ri0\widctlpar\wrapdefault\aspalpha\aspnum\faauto\adjustright\rin0\lin1440\itap0\pararsid75853 {\rtlch\fcs1 \af0 \ltrch\fcs0 \insrsid15950312 LIZ\tab So hot tubs and disabled people really don't mix. And the picture does look like it's quite a night, but it was a night that I just thought please I never want this to happen. I couldn't get out it took about 20 minutes to get o ut when a guy came who had been part of it, he was taking the pictures that's why you didn't see him, and he carried me out. \par }\pard \ltrpar\ql \li0\ri0\widctlpar\wrapdefault\aspalpha\aspnum\faauto\adjustright\rin0\lin0\itap0\pararsid1207001 {\rtlch\fcs1 \af0 \ltrch\fcs0 \insrsid15950312 \par SIMON\tab \tab Wow! \par \par }\pard \ltrpar\ql \fi-1440\li1440\ri0\widctlpar\wrapdefault\aspalpha\aspnum\faauto\adjustright\rin0\lin1440\itap0\pararsid75853 {\rtlch\fcs1 \af0 \ltrch\fcs0 \insrsid15950312 LIZ\tab He had to carry me out the hot tub. And then because he was drunk he laid me on the sofa and wrapped me in to wels. I felt like the baby Jesus being surrounded in this manger with swaddling clothes. And it was just I couldn't move, I couldn't get out the towels. We're on the bus on the way home, because they let us on the bus by the way, they let us on the bus on the way home and I started to get a little bit itchy. \par }\pard \ltrpar\ql \li0\ri0\widctlpar\wrapdefault\aspalpha\aspnum\faauto\adjustright\rin0\lin0\itap0\pararsid1207001 {\rtlch\fcs1 \af0 \ltrch\fcs0 \insrsid15950312 \par SIMON\tab \tab Please. \par \par }\pard \ltrpar\ql \fi-1440\li1440\ri0\widctlpar\wrapdefault\aspalpha\aspnum\faauto\adjustright\rin0\lin1440\itap0\pararsid75853 {\rtlch\fcs1 \af0 \ltrch\fcs0 \insrsid15950312 LIZ\tab And ever since then, and it's only a few days, it's amazing I've sat through this because I'm itching, my legs are just covered in redness and I'm sorry that's gross, but I'm itchy. \par }\pard \ltrpar\ql \li0\ri0\widctlpar\wrapdefault\aspalpha\aspnum\faauto\adjustright\rin0\lin0\itap0\pararsid1207001 {\rtlch\fcs1 \af0 \ltrch\fcs0 \insrsid15950312 \par SIMON\tab \tab You are right, it's gone very less rock & roll. \par \par LIZ\tab \tab No really... \par \par SIMON\tab \tab It's going to turn into a very sensible tame evening in the end but... \par \par }\pard \ltrpar\ql \fi-780\li780\ri0\widctlpar\wrapdefault\aspalpha\aspnum\faauto\adjustright\rin0\lin780\itap0\pararsid75853 {\rtlch\fcs1 \af0 \ltrch\fcs0 \insrsid15950312 LIZ\tab The moral of the story is really yeah things that might sound glamorous and they're really not because the consequence is I'm itchy as hell, and as somebody that has about 2" reach I am finding anything to rub myself against at the moment and it's not pretty, I'm like a dog at the moment. I'm rubbing myself on the back of my chair, my joystick, anything. I can't reach. \par }\pard \ltrpar\ql \li0\ri0\widctlpar\wrapdefault\aspalpha\aspnum\faauto\adjustright\rin0\lin0\itap0\pararsid1207001 {\rtlch\fcs1 \af0 \ltrch\fcs0 \insrsid15950312 \par }\pard \ltrpar\ql \fi-780\li780\ri0\widctlpar\wrapdefault\aspalpha\aspnum\faauto\adjustright\rin0\lin780\itap0\pararsid75853 {\rtlch\fcs1 \af0 \ltrch\fcs0 \insrsid15950312 SIMON\tab Joining us now is Joanna Langston from the Surrey based Orpheus Project and John Kelly's stayed with us from the earlier interview, who als o works at the Orpheus Project. Joanna, thanks very much for coming in. Can you tell me a little bit about the Orpheus Project \'f1 what is it? \par }\pard \ltrpar\ql \li0\ri0\widctlpar\wrapdefault\aspalpha\aspnum\faauto\adjustright\rin0\lin0\itap0\pararsid1207001 {\rtlch\fcs1 \af0 \ltrch\fcs0 \insrsid15950312 \par }\pard \ltrpar\ql \fi-2160\li2160\ri0\widctlpar\wrapdefault\aspalpha\aspnum\faauto\adjustright\rin0\lin2160\itap0\pararsid75853 {\rtlch\fcs1 \af0 \ltrch\fcs0 \insrsid15950312 JOANNA\tab I'm Joanna Langston and the Orpheus Project is about writing songs and going on an outreach to different schools. \par }\pard \ltrpar\ql \li0\ri0\widctlpar\wrapdefault\aspalpha\aspnum\faauto\adjustright\rin0\lin0\itap0\pararsid1207001 {\rtlch\fcs1 \af0 \ltrch\fcs0 \insrsid15950312 \par LIZ\tab \tab John, what do you do there? \par \par }\pard \ltrpar\ql \fi-1440\li1440\ri0\widctlpar\wrapdefault\aspalpha\aspnum\faauto\adjustright\rin0\lin1440\itap0\pararsid75853 {\rtlch\fcs1 \af0 \ltrch\fcs0 \insrsid15950312 JOHN\tab I'm one of the tutors there and we support young people to grow in confidence through performing arts. So that's kind of there's song writing... \par }\pard \ltrpar\ql \li0\ri0\widctlpar\wrapdefault\aspalpha\aspnum\faauto\adjustright\rin0\lin0\itap0\pararsid1207001 {\rtlch\fcs1 \af0 \ltrch\fcs0 \insrsid15950312 \par LIZ\tab \tab That's how you know Joanna, so it all links up dunnit' \par \par JOH\tab \tab Ah it all links up... \par \par LIZ\tab \tab All links up. \par \par JOHN\tab \tab ... doesn't it Jo? \par \par JOANN\tab \tab Yes. \par \par SIMON\tab \tab Now, Joanna, we're going to ask you some quick fire questions. \par \par JOANNA\tab Yes. \par \par SIMO\tab \tab So, Liz, I'm going to line Liz up for your first one. \par \par LIZ\tab \tab Are you ready? \par \par JOANN\tab \tab Yes I am, thank you. \par \par LIZ\tab \tab Okay. What's the best thing about singing and writing songs? \par \par JOANNA\tab It's very, very good and exciting. \par \par LIZ\tab \tab Okay, Simon. \par \par JOANNA\tab And I like writing all the lyrics and the words. \par \par }\pard \ltrpar\ql \fi-1440\li1440\ri0\widctlpar\wrapdefault\aspalpha\aspnum\faauto\adjustright\rin0\lin1440\itap0\pararsid75853 {\rtlch\fcs1 \af0 \ltrch\fcs0 \insrsid15950312 LIZ\tab It 's a bit of everything really you like by the sounds of it and the words. \par }\pard \ltrpar\ql \li0\ri0\widctlpar\wrapdefault\aspalpha\aspnum\faauto\adjustright\rin0\lin0\itap0\pararsid1207001 {\rtlch\fcs1 \af0 \ltrch\fcs0 \insrsid15950312 \par JOANNA\tab Yes. \par \par }\pard \ltrpar\ql \fi-1440\li1440\ri0\widctlpar\wrapdefault\aspalpha\aspnum\faauto\adjustright\rin0\lin1440\itap0\pararsid75853 {\rtlch\fcs1 \af0 \ltrch\fcs0 \insrsid15950312 SIMON\tab If I'd never heard your music and you were trying to describe it to me what would you say is your style? \par }\pard \ltrpar\ql \li0\ri0\widctlpar\wrapdefault\aspalpha\aspnum\faauto\adjustright\rin0\lin0\itap0\pararsid1207001 {\rtlch\fcs1 \af0 \ltrch\fcs0 \insrsid15950312 \par JOANNA\tab It's a song about a cat. \par \par }\pard \ltrpar\ql \fi-1440\li1440\ri0\widctlpar\wrapdefault\aspalpha\aspnum\faauto\adjustright\rin0\lin1440\itap0\pararsid75853 {\rtlch\fcs1 \af0 \ltrch\fcs0 \insrsid15950312 SIMO\tab Okay. And you like anybody else, is there anybody else who you think is a good musician that you admire? \par }\pard \ltrpar\ql \li0\ri0\widctlpar\wrapdefault\aspalpha\aspnum\faauto\adjustright\rin0\lin0\itap0\pararsid1207001 {\rtlch\fcs1 \af0 \ltrch\fcs0 \insrsid15950312 \par JOANNA\tab I like Richard Stillgoe. \par \par SIMON\tab \tab Ah he's linked with the Orpheus Project isn't he? \par \par JOANNA\tab And I like Bing. \par \par }\pard \ltrpar\ql \fi-1440\li1440\ri0\widctlpar\wrapdefault\aspalpha\aspnum\faauto\adjustright\rin0\lin1440\itap0\pararsid75853 {\rtlch\fcs1 \af0 \ltrch\fcs0 \insrsid15950312 LIZ\tab Tell me, Joanna, Takeaway of Sunday roast - what would you rather have? \par }\pard \ltrpar\ql \li0\ri0\widctlpar\wrapdefault\aspalpha\aspnum\faauto\adjustright\rin0\lin0\itap0\pararsid1207001 {\rtlch\fcs1 \af0 \ltrch\fcs0 \insrsid15950312 \par JOANNA\tab Sunday roast. \par \par LIZ\tab \tab Nice one. \par \par SIMON\tab \tab Do you prefer to watch soaps or films? \par \par JOANNA\tab Soaps. \par \par LIZ\tab \tab Dogs or cats? \par \par JOANNA\tab A cat. \par \par SIMON\tab \tab Who's your favourite famous person? \par \par JOANNA\tab My favourite famous person from Eastenders is Anita Dobson. \par \par LIZ\tab \tab And if you could duet with anyone alive or dead who would it be? \par \par JOANNA\tab Can't remember. \par \par LIZ\tab \tab Would it be Bing? \par \par JOANNA\tab I like Bing. \par \par LIZ\tab \tab Would it be Mr Crosby? That would be amazing. \par \par SIMON\tab \tab When you're not producing music what do you get up to? \par \par JOANNA\tab I like to learn to play the drums, grade eight. \par \par }\pard \ltrpar\ql \li0\ri0\widctlpar\wrapdefault\aspalpha\aspnum\faauto\adjustright\rin0\lin0\itap0\pararsid75853 {\rtlch\fcs1 \af0 \ltrch\fcs0 \insrsid15950312 SIMON\tab \tab It sounds all music. \par }\pard \ltrpar\ql \li0\ri0\widctlpar\wrapdefault\aspalpha\aspnum\faauto\adjustright\rin0\lin0\itap0\pararsid1207001 {\rtlch\fcs1 \af0 \ltrch\fcs0 \insrsid15950312 \par JOANNA\tab And it's my favourite. \par \par LIZ\tab \tab Complete the phrase 'Performing at Liberty will be...' \par \par JOANNA \tab ... very, very nice'. \par \par }\pard \ltrpar\ql \fi-1440\li1440\ri0\widctlpar\wrapdefault\aspalpha\aspnum\faauto\adjustright\rin0\lin1440\itap0\pararsid75853 {\rtlch\fcs1 \af0 \ltrch\fcs0 \insrsid15950312 SIMON\tab I'm sure it will be. Okay you can find out more about Jo and the Orpheus Project by going to their website. It's Orpheus.org.uk. \par }\pard \ltrpar\ql \li0\ri0\widctlpar\wrapdefault\aspalpha\aspnum\faauto\adjustright\rin0\lin0\itap0\pararsid1207001 {\rtlch\fcs1 \af0 \ltrch\fcs0 \insrsid15950312 \par }\pard \ltrpar\ql \fi-1440\li1440\ri0\widctlpar\wrapdefault\aspalpha\aspnum\faauto\adjustright\rin0\lin1440\itap0\pararsid75853 {\rtlch\fcs1 \af0 \ltrch\fcs0 \insrsid15950312 LIZ\tab And Joanna will be performing Ginger The Cat at London's Liberty Festival on Saturday 4th September at Trafalgar Square. If you're lucky enough to make it along you can also catch the cast of Reasons To Be Cheerful, they'll be belting out some of Ian Dury's songs. \par }\pard \ltrpar\ql \li0\ri0\widctlpar\wrapdefault\aspalpha\aspnum\faauto\adjustright\rin0\lin0\itap0\pararsid1207001 {\rtlch\fcs1 \af0 \ltrch\fcs0 \insrsid15950312 \par }\pard \ltrpar\ql \fi-1440\li1440\ri0\widctlpar\wrapdefault\aspalpha\aspnum\faauto\adjustright\rin0\lin1440\itap0\pararsid75853 {\rtlch\fcs1 \af0 \ltrch\fcs0 \insrsid15950312 SIMON\tab We've just got to do a little bit of housekeeping, Jo, and then we'll be back to hear some of your music. \par }\pard \ltrpar\ql \li0\ri0\widctlpar\wrapdefault\aspalpha\aspnum\faauto\adjustright\rin0\lin0\itap0\pararsid1207001 {\rtlch\fcs1 \af0 \ltrch\fcs0 \insrsid15950312 \par JOANNA\tab Thanks so much. \par \par }\pard \ltrpar\ql \fi-1440\li1440\ri0\widctlpar\wrapdefault\aspalpha\aspnum\faauto\adjustright\rin0\lin1440\itap0\pararsid75853 {\rtlch\fcs1 \af0 \ltrch\fcs0 \insrsid15950312 LIX\tab That's almost it for Talk Show 55 for August 2010. It was produced by Emma Tracey and Damon Rose. The studio manager was Rob Winter. And for more on the Talk Show go to bbc.co.uk/ouch. Right now our message board is hopping with advice on everything from staying in work when your needs change to starting Uni when you have a disability -it's worth a look. \par }\pard \ltrpar\ql \li0\ri0\widctlpar\wrapdefault\aspalpha\aspnum\faauto\adjustright\rin0\lin0\itap0\pararsid1207001 {\rtlch\fcs1 \af0 \ltrch\fcs0 \insrsid15950312 \par SIMON \par Don't forget we're on Twitter and Facebook too and you can email us about anything, anything at all on ouch@bbc.co.uk. Until next month it's goodbye from the both of us and over to you, Jo. \par \par LIZ \par Jo, can you introduce your song. \par \par JOANNA \par }}