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HARDtalk's Stephen Sackur speaks to Jorge Toledo, Spain's minister for EU affairs. When the Spanish Government threw out the regional Government in Catalonia, imposed direct rule from Madrid and called regional elections, it took a calculated risk. Next month we'll see whether it was well advised. If Catalans give a clear majority to pro-independence parties, Spain - and the European Union - will be facing a protracted crisis. Can Madrid outmanoeuvre the secessionists?