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Will anger or hope solve the climate crisis?
What will galvanise the public into taking climate action - anger or hope? We hear from former UN climate chief Christiana Figueres and her Outrage and Optimism podcast co-hosts.
What is driving the movement to solve the climate crisis? Anger or hope?
For Outrage and Optimism podcasters Christiana Figueres, Tom Rivett-Carnac and Paul Dickinson - three climate campaigners who have worked with governments and the UN at high levels - it's a mixture of both forces.
They speak to 5 Live's Clare McDonnell about galvanising the public, interviewing Sir David Attenborough and Greta Thunberg, and their work in bringing governments together for the 2015 Paris Agreement on climate change.
