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At 69 years old, Madeleine Albright became the first female Secretary of State.

Under Bill Clinton, she dealt with the Middle East peace process and NATO's military intervention in the former Yugoslavia.

She is one of the best informed, most connected women in the world - but even she admits she never imagined we would see something like coronavirus.

She talks to Emma Barnett about President Trump's disinfectant comments, life in lockdown, and why society should be careful not to write off older people as the pandemic progresses.