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Troy and Jermain look back to their first games in front of the television cameras and describe how it felt to be playing with the eyes of the world watching.

They talk about how you prepare to play on TV - getting haircuts, bringing the barber to the training ground, practicing goal celebrations, and working out which camera to celebrate to.

They also drill down into post-match interviews, watching your own performances on Match of the Day with your friends, and which teammates loved the cameras. And they head off down a rabbit hole to talk about what sort of managers they'd be and what they'd wear on the touchlines with Troy admitting that his wife picks all his clothes.