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Guy Debbas came from an influential family in Lebanon: his Great Uncle was the first President of the country. When civil war broke out in 1976, his family became a target. Guy faced kidnapping, threats on his life, and the loss of people close to him. But at his lowest point, hope came from an unexpected source, leading Guy to forge a new life in chocolate, on a new continent. He tells Mobeen Azhar how that happened.

Acclaimed independent musician Phil Elverum lost his wife, the musician and cartoonist Genevieve Castr茅e, to cancer just over a year after the birth of their daughter. Grieving, he used her guitar and bass to record an album in the room where she'd died. Phil tells Danny Greenwald that at first, he couldn't bear the thought of anyone else hearing the music he'd made and worried people would be angry. Now the album, A Crow Looked at Me, has won praise - and brought comfort to others experiencing loss. This interview was first broadcast in July 2022.

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Presenter: Mobeen Azhar
Producer: Emily Naylor

(Photo: Guy Debbas and his son Max Debbas at their chocolate factory. Credit: Max Debbas)