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I hope you're going to provide some evidence for your statement that George Osborne 'discussed the possibility of a donation from a Russian oligarch". If you have proof perhaps you can find out who initiated the conversation. And when Osborne, his wife and his children accepted the invitation to stay at Rothschild's villa was he aware that he was going to be propositioned on behalf of a foreign crook?

Tebbit's twopence is a reminder of why the Tories had to reform.

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MEMORIES OF NO-SLEAZE MAJOR

'It would make me sick to my stomick to talk with terrorists!' said that worthy, while behind the scenes others did his talking and he went home to Norma. Then he signed us up to that paragon of monetary propriety - the EU.

Plus ca change. Deja vu.

Do you think - perhaps - politicians are not quite straight with us?

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Haven't heard from Tebbit for ages. As usual he makes friends and influences people. "Sleeping with dogs" - nobody, so far as I know, says he did anything. So far as I know he is not like Berezovsky. Russians as friends or enemies. Why not try friends?

I hope Vince Cable is asked at some point if he understands how the Government did not see this economic crisis coming. It needs a public inquiry but Brown will probably just commission a statue of him and Alistair for Parliament Square.

On the US what happens to the Republicans if or when they lose?

Bush is destroyed and discredited. McCain is too old and has no apparent successor. Palin does not cut the mustard.

They will fall prey to the big business element? Become more ideological, nastier and even more ne-Con?

I assume Michael Crick will discover not much can change in the long term as the two parties cannot be replaced and probably the post civil-war sympathies would not allow it.

Two parties that cannot be replaced no matter how badly they perform ..... seems so familiar.

As Hezza is a former defence secretary and Tebbit used to
be a spokesperson for airline
pilots, I hope you will get a
comment from them about
the Hercules story tonight:

Oh Dear, looks like a programme to miss tonight. Only 1 topic of any interest, US Election - a real yawn, Conservatives - a non-story peddled only by the Ö÷²¥´óÐã in order to appease your masters, the Government. That only leaves the Economy, well, an early night then.

"No! it is a Mandalson/Brown/Ö÷²¥´óÐã 'bedfellows' stink! Here follows my complaint to Today programme:
"John (humphreys), are you all gagged for reasons of licence fee/WMD etc ?
The real story is what was the unelected 'Lord' (sic) Mandalson doing on that yacht with that billionaire? Let's hear why Mandy gave the Oligarch a nice EU £200,000,000 deal re aluminium etc?
If Mandy is not corrupt why was he on the yacht? What is the relationship between them? Do I have to rely on the Daily Mail now that the Ö÷²¥´óÐã has clearly been got at? Shamefu"!

there are almost 2000 posts on Have YOur Say board re Mandalson/bbc/brown bedfellows, saying similar to me yet mine has not appeared here... Why?

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My favourite of the night was Jeremy with Michael Heseltine - sheer brilliance! i was stunned to hear that the Russian billionaire is so dogdy that he's not allowed to enter the USA!!!!!
Much more please :-)

KISS OF DEATH

May I never be protected by an ageing Hezza. What a silly old conservative!

The introduction to the programme was a bit elitist and insular.

Referring to no one knows where the recession is going.

Some of us do, even if you don't.

Don't include us all in your lack of knowledge of the future.

I thought that was an excellent studio discussion with Bhagwati, Paxman, the Chinese economist and David Owen .... would that
the 'yacht' discussions in Corfu
were on similar important topics.

Did I mishear or did Bhagwati say at one point 'serious people -like Osborne' were making some of the same points about IMF
and World Bank? I hope so ....

David Owen's insights on Russia also tended to work in support of top politicians seizing chances to interract a bit more with all the key players in that country. And
Osborne must have believed in Corfu - as did Mandelson - that
they might learn something at
Oleg's tea party? As for issues
of 'judgement' at least Osborne
made sure he had the CEO of
his party with him just in case
he needed someone in support.

As Jeremy says: a 'kerfuffle' - and one that was apparently not mentioned today on doorsteps in Glenrothes or at the hustings if
the reports from the battlefield
from The Herald's Tom Gordon
and The Guardian's Kirsty Scott were right. Their analysis was very, very interesting ...........

Available on the i-player as
Gordon Brewer said after an
interlude on political spouses
which was clearly designed
for You Tube! Play it again!

"i was stunned to hear that the Russian billionaire is so dogdy that he's not allowed to enter the USA!!!!!"

That could of course be cos he gives an honest answer at the
US immigration desk when they
ask the standard question: 'Are you or your friend communists?'

Mandelsons re-entry into British politics is the bigger story but the Ö÷²¥´óÐã almost ignored this whilst going mentalist-gloating over a non-story. Next time Osborne needs any pointers in the dark arts, he can talk to Mandy, he might even help ozzy with a loan...Mandy's got friends in high places don't you know
I learnt through this non-story that the Rothchilds are still in operation. Hows about a story on this family dynasty eh! The well documented family dynasty responible for more wars and mass killings over the centuries than all the despots combined could achieve.."ooops! theres a despot lets fund him".. they play word financial politics like its a game of chess but dress themselves up as respectable international bankers but always out of the limelight...rarely seen or heard, well until just recently that is...and rarely commented on by our establised media, i wonder why that is?

I do hope Dennis skinner is okey , i thought for one moment he was gonna blow a gasket when ranting in the house today. Its good to know that the labour benches can still allow a non-productive hard-faced socialist to sit amongst them..skinner must feel at home.. ah thats demoracy for you... they put a red rosette on and the herd will vote even an idiot into the house...time after time after time. Can somebody save us please, a well meaning dictator will do...funded by the Rothchilds or even a Russian..am not fussy.
Does anybody have mandy's number?

To echo one poster on here:
I am sure the good people at newsnight work hard ect, but at times i do feel like i am watching an old John Cravens newsround report. I am a harsh critic i know but am sure once you hire a decent script writer/editor you might just get back on form. Sorry, the truth hurts but it needs to be said.

I am with the cookieducker on this...
First let me make clear, I am no Tory and always previously voted labour - never again...! I just wish the lib dems and the Greens would hook up so that both don't split the vote under our 'democratic' (sic) system and let in the Torys.

But, Hezza WAS brilliant and dignified at deflecting Jeremy's preposterous indignant 'act' (watch it again). Jeremy, demanding in his a faux, highhanded way "what tories were doing prancing around on yachts" etc...

It is clear that licence payers are feeling done over. Just look at yesterday's 2000 plus comments on this subject on 'Have Your Say ' board before 'powers that be' take it down. It seems viewers want to know ( the Ö÷²¥´óÐã being gagged won't report on it) what the heck was Mandalson doing on that yacht as a 'guest' of someone he'd just helped out in the EU with a £200, 000,000 tarrif deal? (potentially our money remember)? Jeremy, after your staged performance on Hezza (Mandalson prancing on yachts was 'the elephant in the room' REAL STORY that you clearly had been stopped from raising) I have lost faith in Newsnight and Ö÷²¥´óÐã independence.

LOST FAITH (#18)

Melvyn did Dante's Inferno this morning. The builders are in, preparing for The Ö÷²¥´óÐã.

So, did very well out of Jeffrey Sachs' 'Shock Theapy', and allegedly with Osborne allegedly being teased by Cameron for his zeal. . Perish the thought.

Who or what gets next?

Nobody is going to fall for the "splitting the anti-Tory vote" these days.

Its a chauvinistic and arrogant throwback to the days when Labour supporters sported little badges and quoted Clause IV every other minute.

They did at least believe what they said and they did stand up for the poor.

These days even Labour don't know what they stand for. 10p?

Labour are as cosmetic as the name "New" Labour.

Now with Mandelson back its "old" New Labour.

But wait with the economic crisis and New Labour as per Blair questioning the FSA as to why on earth they would want to closely regulate perfectly respectable companies like banks perhaps they need to modify their approach? They need distance from the past!

NEW old New Labour?

With spin meisters like Campbell and Mandelson back in the fold what can go wrong?

Having just watched Heseltine on last night's Newsnight, he was a model of restraint when confronted by Paxman's faux indignation. How Osborne's lack of judgement can possibly be considered more worthy of comment than that of a former EU Trade Commissioner and now member of the cabinet requires some explanation from the Ö÷²¥´óÐã. I have only the lowest regard for George Osborne, but Paxman seems to be striving to sink lower still. Maybe there's some room on CÖ÷²¥´óÐã for Paxman.

Heard Paxman say to Heseltine that, before this Mandelson/yacht thing, Osborne had been a good shadow chancellor, and that even his opponents would agree. I don't recall anyone saying that before. Most of us got quite the opposite impression from Newsnight. Confusing. Bit like someone battering down a door, and then saying, "Oh, now I come to think of it, I quite liked that door"...

My personal views and opinions, as ever.

Alleged Lack of Judgement by Osborne -

Really , he was wise enough to take along a witness to these events, that showed he was thinking he needed backup.

You imagine what could have happened if Mr Osborne had gone on that boat by himself, what defence would he have had against such allegations ?
Now that would have been a lack of Judgement !

What witness did Mr Mandelson have while he stayed on the boat ?
Did he show a lack of political Judgement maybe ?

I don't know what these masters of the universe (Billionaires and Multi Multi millionaires) group motives or intentions were, but I would personal presume they have alot of business interests around the EU and the wider world in general.

Ö÷²¥´óÐã and Media in General -

The whole "Lack of Judgement" attack is what the media does when its retreating from a story that did not live up to the finish they thought it was going to be only a few days before.
They play it big to cover there previous over hyping of it !

I've got to admit the faux righeous indignation shown by Paxman was funny, Hezza (and probably the Tories) had realised that there wasn't much to go on regard to donation and frequenting with Bondstyled Ruskis was a no go as Mandy was a deckhand...it was nearly as funny as when Jezza was talking to Milliband - Milli was on all serious talking about something - Jezza was checking what was stuck on his shoe.

Keep up the good work ...

..oh and if you could get the polster with the dodgy barnet that would be great as you could go for a comedy award.

CHERCHEZ LE TONY (# 21)

Then the gang's all here - and WHAT a gang. These guys are way beyond knives and guns, and that damage they do, to lives around the globe, dwarfs our crime stats. As for Gordon - dead man walking.