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DEAR BEAUTIFUL PRESENTER EMILY,I ALWAYS READ YOUR EDITIONS ABOUT THE MOST RELEVANTS ISSUES THAT ARE IN THE WORLD LIMELIGHT. YOUR THOUGHTS OR WAY TO TRANSMIT OR CONVEY YOUR OPINION TO THE READER IT IS EXTRAORDINARILY GOOD,SO FAR IT IS ON VIDEO. TODAY I AM READING YOUR MIND PROYECTIONS OR MENTAL EMISSIONS ABOUT THE EMISSIONS REDUCTIONS AND THE CAMPAING TO PUSH FOR AN INTERNATIONAL AGREEMENT AND I THINK LIKE YOU THAT THIS MUST BE DO IT PROMPTLY SINCE THE AMBIENCE DETERIORATION NEED TO BE STOPPED IN RELATION THAT IT IS GOING TO REACH INSUFFERABLE PROPORTIONS. THIS START MOST OF ALL SINCE WORLD WAR TWO,RELATIVELY TO THE IMPLEMENTATION OF ALL THOSE WEAPONS INCLUDING THE ATOMIC DISCOVERIES THAT HARM THE AMBIENCE WITH FACTORIES THROWING ACIDIC AND DESTRUCTIVES MATTERS TO THE AIR AND WATER AND PHARMACEUTICALS TOO. NONETHELESS, WE KNOW THAT ALL OF US IN SOME WAY OR OTHER ARE BENEFICIARIES FROM THIS, BUT WE HAVE TO TAKE CARE OF THE AMBIENCE IN THE SENSE THAT ON A DESTRUCTIVE ONE THE HUMAN BEING CANNOT LIVE AND SPREAD OUT MOST OF ALL IN A HEALTHY MANNER. EMILY, FOLLOW GOING ON YOUR PURPOSE AS NOW.

Unless as I suspect Justin's interview with Ed Miliband is a pre-scripted pre-recorded Corporate Nazi propaganda exercise, perhaps Justin should ask how Miliband proposes to make his ambitious promised 80% cut in UK CO2 emissions without reducing our population by half as some eco-fascists propose. The 1940s German Nazi racial holocaust blog commentators argue over could become an insignificant part of history.

Anybody who realistically thinks that the UK can cut its CO2 emissions by 50% without significant hardship for the lower income members of the population is bordering on being mentally ill. I suspect that the truth is probably that the stock market parasites can envisage some new " green " asset bubble to exploit people.

Only last week Panda put an unspecified extra " private tax " on energy bills to fund wind farms which have the potential to crash the national grid. This could lead to anarchy in large towns, just what the eco-fascist ethos ordered, but not content with waiting they plan to close down existing coal fired power stations to achieve the same anarchistic ends.

DIY NOUS

I hope COBRA have a bit more savvy than those who insist you need a lot of blokes to make rucksack bombs. Bombers are not road-menders.

REALISTIC THINKING AND LIMITED ED (#2)

Limited Ed Miliband is a politician - what would he want with realistic thinking brossen99? The worst green bubble of all is the one above the Westminster swamp. Party politics needs scooping out, and the chamber pot sand-blasting, ready for the installation of non-party, representative, democratic MANAGEMENT of Britain's interests. Hurrah!

Could you ask Milliband about this plan to pump CO2 out to sea and bury it? Is there any way of checking if it actually gets buried? I can imagine some Arthur Daley type Power Baron: "Buried the lot, Squire. Where's my cheque? Oh, forgot to mention, I'll be needing a bit more up front for materials before I can bury the next lot." Meanwhile Terry is letting it off into the air above Dagenham.

"MEANWHILE TERRY'S LETTING IT OFF INTO THE AIR ABOVE DAGENHAM." (#5)

Many, many thanks Simon - you have caught the spirit of the age and given me a belly-laugh. Does Limited Ed have a plan for the unimaginable quantity of methane that is starting to vent from the arctic 'muck' (buried in the last cataclysm) as it thaws? Come to that - I wonder if ocean-bottom CO2 might nudge the methane hydrate into life? That might be a 1:22 disadvantage (or similar)? Apparently Ed read some philosophy! Doesn't show.

Simon_987 # 5

It just crossed my mind that the obviously stock market parasite investment scam of proposed " carbon capture " is likely to be paid for by yet another portion of private tax on energy bills. I believe that we already pay 7% on energy bills to fund " renewable ", perhaps a similar extra percentage will be required for carbon capture projects. All in all the perfect welfare state for the stock market parasites and you can bet they employ foreign companies so they can also change money on the deal.

I have a daughter currently out in Mexico on holiday and as far as she is concerned they have had no information nor inclination that there is a problem. As far as the Thompson's rep is concerned there is no news about moving out or flight information so hopefully she will be back in England next Monday.
Is someone talking up this crisis?

What !? No Craig Murray ??

CARBON AND OXYGEN

Since carbon and oxygen are pretty much what aerobic respirators are all about, maybe we should reduce the rate of aerobic respiration - e.g. all that gassing on mobile phones, journalists talking twaddle on 24 hour news TV, politicians in Parliament etc etc. There must be a sex-difference too!

As to charges of 'Conspiracy to attend a terrorist training camp'.... pullllleeeeeezzze! This is just a crime prevention program targetting the not_too_bright given the high Muslim TFR... yes?

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Billbradbury (#8) "Is someone talking up this crisis?"

Quite a lot it seems to me!

I thought the piece on the 7/7 bombers was excellent! Glad to see that loyalty to the state is not unconditional, as some of the far right posters on this page would like.

What we need to to know is what went wrong so we can fix it - its above organisational and governmental perceptions.

I also thought the piece on the Ethical man was excellent - supported by most sane scientists I would think and of course rejected by the far right, despite their commitment to the environment so the Hitler-ite symbol of racial purity (the Heck cow) can live long and free.

Justin Rowlett reached new farce tonight just to add to consistency to his total beginner label on climate science. Perfect qualifications for a Ö÷²¥´óÐã climate 'expert' who couldn't tell you CO2's radiative forcing or how the IPCC fabricate mans CO2 output by multiples by using water vapour that has no known scientific basis (ie. is 100% junk science).

And his maths and economics isn't much better than Mr Rowletts junk science. How does Obama plan to make green energy "profitable" and Mr Rowlett propose green technology be made popular? By nobbling oil with high taxation. That old socialist trick of taxing it until its bankrupt to force feed bankrupt socialist ideas down consumers throats (very democratic!) and leave us with an expensive energy impoverishing its citizens. Clever these socialists.

Mr Rowlett joined an enviro group flying in (carbon content?) who then drove (carbon content?) but couldn't find their way from the airport to a campaign rally (they can't find their way to the science either!). This Ö÷²¥´óÐã broadcast then reached new levels of dribbling propaganda and bias promoting "indoctrination" and "civil disobedience" and "how to resist arrest" classes. "I can't imagine the British Government doing this" muses Mr Rowlett. No, they just thieve green taxes and double coal and oil exploraion licenses (consistency if ever there was!).

But love the promotion of indoctrination of teenagers Mr Rowlett. Very 'scientific' programming. Kids'R'Us rallies promoted directly by Obamas team of junk science Big Brother 'experts'.

Meanwhile he interviews the scientific lightweight Ed Miliband, British Climate Minister, who claims countries see "clear evidence of climate change... more drought, more heavy rainfall". Can he make his mind up?

Here in Britain it snowed on Parliament when they emitted all the hot air to pass the Climate Bill. But reality and enviro windbags never see eye to eye!

Mr Rowlett your report tonight was as lame as your grasp of climate science and wouldn't pass 'The Idiots Guide to Science'. Your reporting is the worst drivel I've ever seen (from the Ö÷²¥´óÐã that's saying something!) and an ongoing embarrasment to broadcast standards.

I presume we can expect the same dreary standards in your next report of zero science with extra lashings of propaganda to pad out the lack of anything remotely intelligent in your reports. Just don't let the facts get in the way of your fictional account of climate science, it just doesn't suit your 'style' of reporting or the Ö÷²¥´óÐã's desent into the tragedy its become.

PATHETIC MAN

Who is in control? I detect a touch of Richard Curtis in the improbable plots and some Michael Palin in the more crass scenes regarding transport 'troubles'. Was ANYBODY on the 'edge of their seat' when our hero looked as if he might not make it? Was it 'edgy' without me realising?

A question to the "far right posters" - was Hitler an anarchist?

Its clear that once Hitler had power (burning down the Reichstag n'all) he had little concern with lawmaking and cabinet meetings (I think less than six a year on average in the thirties) despite his need to replace democratic laws.

His primary concern was the expression of his own will (rather than the state) against internal enemies (like Rohm of the SA) or "external enemies" like Jews - on the basis of the fake "Protocols of the Elders of Zion" or the bizarre argument about Stalins ejection of "anarchists and Trotskyites" some of whom were Jews.

So was this artist-politician an anarchist essentially?

Should he have been gassed? What a thought!

He also did not know that genetic variation is greater within a race than between races. What a dumpkoff!

"Pakistan has launched air strikes against suspected Taleban hideouts in Buner district, less than 100km (67 miles) from the capital, Islamabad."

How come they need the CIA to launch drone strikes against al Qaeda in the borderland when even if they had surface to air missiles they don't have night-time radars to see the jets coming?

I wonder how many people "Newsnight" staff think watch Justin Rowlatt's tedious reports, as I can't say I've ever watched any of his latest ones. His previous incarnation of "Ethical Man" put me off for life. As I recall, the bloggers had to do all the work for him and I'm sure it's the same this year.

#14 spanner

"has no known scientific basis (ie. is 100% junk science)"

Yes thats why 99% of the scientists disagree with you and they only have 10,000 years or so of accumulated relevant scientific expertise.

So what did you have - some of barriesingletons R&D or something even more heavyweight?

I look forward to the day of a British Black PM - or any other race so long as they are British - as we approach the first 100 wonderful days of Obama. The man handles everything calmly and rationally and is an achievable example on every front. His wife had a very good 100 days also.

DUMPKOFF? (#16)

Woah Gango - you can get a hernia like that!

DANGEROUS DOG FLU INITIATIVE

'Advice notes are to be sent to every home in the country.' I hope the notes will have some reassuring PR shots of J Gordon Brown and Limited Ed Miliband on them. A large stock of regulation government masks is also to be put in place. I will stake my life (!) they will prove, retrospectively, of no value, other than for reassurance. Unless you can get placebo masks of course. I suppose masks and muzzles do look sort of similar. . .

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Global Warming or is it Climate Change

I am still not entirely convinced , maybe you can tell, thou' some people seem to be.

Maybe I could ask them a question ?

What was the solar grand minimum (1645-1715) and the solar grand maximum (1715-1950) , did if effect the Earth's global temperature ?

Maybe I have not phrased this scientific question correctly, after all I am no scientist, that's why I would like NN to invite Lord Monckton and someone to answer his questions on this theory.

As for questioning this scientific theory , I thought good science was about questioning things , even so called established theories ?

The majority attitude suggests we have lost any concept of restraint and seem keen to exercise any muscles except the brain and be unaware of any perceptions outside our skin. In such a scenario climate change is irrelevant. We'll end ourselves all by ourselves and the tower blocks will view the ensuing desert like some Ballardian dream as they slowly crumble as a prelude to the reclamation of the world by the nature we've treated with such contempt.
So many people now seem to see personal weapons as a necessity so it should all be bloody but bloody quick. Pity we won't watch it on TV as there isn't really a restaurant at the end of the universe for a communal viewing but were there one, we'd be too pissed to take it in.

MORE THINGS IN HEAVEN AND EARTH (#24)

Hang loose Steve. The sun is electrically active as well as magnetically (a consequence) and radiatively (is that a word?). Orthodoxy is slowly awakening, but not yet ready to accept electricity flows across space. It might even turn out that the earth is subject to internal resistance heating; it would be handy for explaining the polar warming.

TheGangofOne

Looks like my post is being moderated so I'll keep in plane.

1). Do you know the radiative forcing of CO2?
2). Do you know it runs out of puff at 20-40ppm?
3). Have you seen the 460,000 year ice-core data chart (the 50ft one Al Gore showed in his 39 global climate errors film of fiction)?
4). Do you understand cause and effect?
5). Do you understand the UN's IPCC has literally fabricated a theory where mans 2% of CO2 emissions (nature makes 98% of annual CO2 emissions) is 'multiplied' many times over by water vapour, a theory that doesn't exist in known science and the IPCC has yet to account for?
6). Did you know IPCC factor in this unknown water vapour theory but factor out water vapours cloud albedo effect in their global climate models, making these computer projections unreliable heat seeking missiles?
7). Did you know of all the known greenhouse gases, water vapour is the only GG worth counting?
8). Did you know how many of your 99% of scientits amount to?
9). Did you know there are 34,000 scientists on The Petiton Project that disagree with AGW hysterics?
10). Did you know 34,000 scientists make a "consensus" a lie and "the debate is over" another lie?

#24 Steve-London

If you're referring to sun cycles (Malkovich cycles) these undoubtedly dominates Earths temperature and indeed climate. The sun can turn Earths atmosphere from +42 Degrees to -4 Degrees in a single day (Iraq desert) and while greenhouse gases has some effect the only gas worth counting is water vapour (1-5% of Earths atmosphere). CO2 is a waste of time as a warming agent, like an ant walking across the back of an elephantine weather system (CO2 is 0.038% of our atmosphere).

We have the ice-core measures from polar regions like Vostok which shows the Malkovich cycles and also CO2 peak lags temeprature peak by 800 years. Namely temperature change (cause) leads to high CO2 levels (effect) with a lag of 800 years. Basic science but still the AGW alarmists still try to reverse cause and effect which is so dumb you have to question their entire mentality (certainly isn't scientific or credable!).

It would be nice occasionally if Justin Rowlatt could report what is going on in the states rather than some green fantasy. The Democrats are backtracking from presenting a bill until 2010 and even that is liable to be problematic as it interferes with the mid-term elections. For all the spin and hype to the gullible, there is no mood to pass legislation that penalises US citizens even by the mild targets of the Obama administration.

This inane cheerleading by Rowlatt doesn't serve the remit of Newsnight.

GO1 AT 19:
your 99% figure is inaccurate and wildly so. Watching the 'merchants of chaos' can easily misinform even the smartest soul.- watch how the Ö÷²¥´óÐã flu story gets given the hysterical treatment over the next week; Sky news has already gone mental with it. Remember, Newsnight is a Ö÷²¥´óÐã production and is manned by Jurnos.

Can i suggest some research that may enlighten your stance on climate change or at least hear a counter view.

You've more than likely seen this video but just in case it passed you by...



An idiots guide or introduction that questions the generally excepted man made global warming scientific theory. A documentary thats a few years old now - and with two errors if i remember rightly - but is still a good start to correct the misaligned mind.

then after watching that...do some proper research.

barrie (#15) "Who is in control?"

I refer the honourable gentleman to an answer I gave earlier ;-)

thegangofone (#16) "was Hitler an anarchist?"

Was Stalin/USSR (point 6 especially....)

DODGY DOSSIERS

SteveLondon (#24) "As for questioning this scientific theory , I thought good science was about questioning things, even so called established theories ?"

Oh do try to keep up ;-) - That was the OLD non-anarchistic science, back in the elitist days when 5% of the population went to university and when people looked at evidence to drive practice (which took years of hard work) and eschewed rhetoric in favour of reason!

Spanner7337 (#27;#28) Even - so was the House of Lords! Abandon all hope!

Spanner7337 #27

GO1 turned into a pumpkin when I mentioned the water vapour and alleged global warming just the other week.

/blogs/newsnight/fromthewebteam/2009/04/wednesday_8_april_2009.html

It would appear that his ten bob fat cat mentality cannot tolerate any deviation from the official Corporate Nazi propaganda Line. Perhaps he thinks that any future holocaust committed in the name of environmentalism would be a good thing, but then he does claim to support the Lib-Dumbocrats.

#18 of 28 April following Newsnight on Monday
Me Singleton

Not perfection do I seek so much nor leadership for sure
Instead vibrancy of thought & existence hold splendid allure

/for example, the above lines are not perfect but as I haven’t the time to work on them further at the moment nor the time to rhyme the following, I’m throwing in for consideration some aspects of being that I do find appealing: spontaneity, open mind to one’s own prejudices and those of others, creativity - not necessarily implying great artistic achievements, exchange and sharing rather than imposition of whatever, all this with a degree wisdom – however difficult it seems to me for it to be defined with any specific precision/
P.S. Is there some kind of bidding game going on with a few males chasing a female? I’ve heard some rumours here and there about it and am wondering whether she is at all interested in it.

FIND THE LADY (#18)

Amen to that Mim. As to bidding for women, didn't that go out with slavery? I trust none to be of ANY gender, on here (indeed, some might be gender-free in these emancipated times) and would not want to find I had been bidding for a bloke! So whoever your 'she' is, I am not waving my paddle for fear of drowning. (:o)

#34 it meant to be Mr Singleton
#35 delighted to see your personal answer nor would I wish to see you paddling away into oblivion

AUSTRIAN/ILLINOIS NARCISSISTIC SUPPLY

Narcissist Health Warning: Don't dig as it might be and a bit.

A GAMUT OF SICK DONKEYS (#37)

You lost me again JJ, but I saw a reference to Maggie on one of those links. She was on Woman's Hour today (a clip of her giving forth on the steps of No.10, when moving in) and the intense AFFECTATION of her delivery, once again, pointed up my eternal theme that only double-distilled fruit cakes rise to the top in politics. Wee Jimmie Broon is carrying on a 'fine' tradition.

The law is a device for extracting fees not justice.

NN must have a job lot of tickets to the usa. everyone seems to be going out there.


thanks goodness for iplayer. one can fast forward the job creation scheme bits.

barrie (#38) Is it the that matters?

I get twitchy when the words junk and science get used together, and not in a good way.

However, loins girded, thanks to the feedback provided here thus far, I did indeed 'go West middle-aged man' to see what the latest eco-treats in store might be...

Oh dear. And I don't think my feedback will be appreciated by those who deal only in right-thinking (as espoused by one 'official'... featured: 'You are right and they are wrong' - not clear where 'he' and 'we' might fit in yet) debate, or at least the more Orwellian equally 'right' than they seem to think others should be allowed.

#37 Jaded_Jean

Education from a Holocaust Agnostic and race "realist" who would replace democracy with Hitler style policies?

Please! Thats a contradiction in terms.

Just ask the "anarchists and Trotskyites" to give up their freedoms and put on the heavy chains of mindless evil tyranny.

The "Haw Haws" speak and the world rejects them.

spanner7337

I am ashamed to admit I only studied science up to high school, so forgive me if my view sounds naive. If I understand your posts correctly, you are suggesting that CO2 level is the effect of temperature change, and not the cause of it as the majority were led to believe. While your arguments are solid and convincing, isn't it a fact that nobody knows for sure what is behind the rapid climate change witnessed in recent decades, and that the question is still open to wide debate? Instead of having two camps of scientists arguing over each other, while the climate data and observations are not enough for a conviction, why don’t we just conduct experiments by starting initiatives to reduce CO2 emissions in different parts of the world, and see if it will affect the local temperature? If it works, problem solved. If it doesn't, scientists can still learn useful lessons from which to further their research. Now with the finance sector collapse and all, the silver lining is that the government can shift its focus back to high tech industries that have been wasting away in the UK, and invest more in science and research labs, which will help solve the myth of climate change or global warming, or whatever it is....

THERE'S NONE SO BLIND.....

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#26 Barrie

Interesting, I've never thought about the possibilities of electricity travelling through space before and what effect it might have on objects in our solar system.

Maybe that would explain why one of Jupiter's moons seems to have activity in it's core , even though it been suggested that it does not have enough mass for one ?


#28 Spanner

Yes, good point about the "effect then cause" argument, I do seem to remember it should be the other way around "cause then effect".

Milankovitch cycles : Not being particularly up on this topic of science and not being a scientist I had to look up this term. I'm not sure if that was what Lord Monckton was referring to in a he gave the other day, but given my limited specialist knowledge on this subject, I might well have misconstrued the point he was trying make.


Thank you for your clear explanation of the water vapour theory , compared to the CO2 theory that seems religiously unquestionable to some.

#32
Jean
"Oh do try to keep up ;-)"

hehe good point and well made :)

STEVE (#45)

Just search 'Electric Universe' it is all there, self consistent, and without Dark Stickingplaster. Did you catch Melvyn on Space today? I have nudged him more than once, but he does not seem to want to know.

For every 10c rise in temp a reaction doubles in rate. Consider the breakdown of organic matter. In storage ecosystems eg peat. Organic matter is laid down quicker than it can decompose.

If temps globally increase we will get an increase in CO2 emissions due to the increase in rate of break down of organic matter. (All other factors remaining the same).

I think we have to remember that many factors influence climate. My own opinion is that climate (change or otherwise) has been taken over by the politicians and their media associates.

As Barrie Singleton often points out we have problems in politics. One I believe is this simplification of reality into. Right/wrong, for/against, government/ opposition, guilty/ innocent. Everything becomes polarised and simplified to fit into some legal type model of debate. The search for truth and the understanding of reality is lost.

Climate change- is it or isn't it, is it CO2 or not, is it man made or natural etc. The understanding has been forced into some legal political adversarial, either or, debate. In so doing understanding and solutions have been lost.

Celtic Lion