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Re: Mr M Kaminski

I'm afraid I don't have much trust in Mr MK'loating by wind powered blows.

As much as I don't think there is anything wrong with changing one's political views with age and experiences of witnessed events, there are some opportunists who change their views only because it's convenient on the ladder of 'progress' of their own career. That seems to be true, in fact, of quite a few PiS politicians, including the Kaczynski twins with one of them currently occupying the post of the President of Poland.

I spent a few months with my mother /who bravely got herself involved in the Solidarity movement/ during the martial law years in Poland and I remember her talking about having a deep mistrust and gutter dislike of these particular twins. I share those feelings with her until now.

mim

P.S. It was also instructive to learn more about Mr MK from the Dispatches Channel 4 programme which was broadcast on 13 November.

Re Michal Kaminski...

Interseting to note that David Miliband has obviously briefed NN to cover this important 'Labour' spin, subject.


Re Stuart Rose...

No jumped-up retailer will EVER have any idea, worth listening to, about what will get us out of this recession/depression. Trust me, the clue is in his job description.

Sir Stuart Rose, should be interesting, will get three for a fiver? I would like to ask doesn't that array of nonentities, our three leaders sum up everything that is wrong with our political parties. No wonder voter turnout is in the basement, no wonder apathy rules and people cannot be bothered, no movement on Iraq or Afghanistan by any of them, the banking crisis they are all numb...and dumb, expenses...don't go there. Why is a valueable programme like Newsnight even covering it?

Part of my training is in geology, the only fact I am sure about concerning climate change is that it has been happening as a natural process ever since we had a climate on this planet!!

Remember the ice age anyone..?

Be it from slight changes in the earths rotational axis, slight changes in the suns output energy or phenomenon like large volcanic eruptions, the Co2 levels and average world temperatures and sea levels along with it change all the time, all of which is outside mans control and always will be!!!

Who is to say that the extra co2 in the atmosphere now will now protect us from getting too cold due to some other factor over which we have no control like a period of historic low volcanic eruptions or entering a period where solar activity is slightly reduced?

Sea levels (in geological time) have been going up and down like a hoars draws ever since records began and human beings have adapted to these natural changes.

In our technological arrogance do we really think that we are the only ones who influenence climate?

Have we forgotten the story of king herod?

The truth is I fully support the push to use less fossil fuels, not becuase of climate change but because of the simple fact that we can not rely on something which is not renewable because ...errrrrr...we will run out of it and probably end up fighting and killing each other over it when it starts to become scarce (Iraq was not about oil of course.....).

I also want to see fossil fuel use rolled back because I dont like the idea of pollution in our beautiful planet, not just co2, but all the other nasties which come with it.

Why dont we simply do it on the basis as described above?

Why do we have to do it on the premise of 'climate change' and go to great lengths to pursuade ourselves we can change something ...that changes unpredictably anyway without any input from us!!.

The climate will always change guys no matter what we do..GET OVER IT!!!

It is no surprise to me at all that the hackers have found evidence of massaging by leading climate change research bodies.

Does anyone else remember the Y2K computer meltdown predictions? Didn't a lot of people make a career and a lot of money out of that scam?

Its odd, we are trying to do the right thing...but for all the wrong reasons!

I dont know why I bother, nobody ever listens anyway, I should spend my lunchtime eating my sandwiches like everyone else.

What a load of nonsence.


Jericoa

#2

I'll try and make sure that David Miliband does not benefit from this particular issue.

I've been successful with Tony Blair not getting the presidency of the EU and I still have plenty of time to work on DM's demise.

Thanks for letting us know who is behind the story. Cheers!

It does seem a little patronising of you talking about Sir Stuart Rose as a jumped up small retailer creature, don't you think? Or do you think, I wonder.

Madam Mim

at #1 I was talking of a floating Mr MK, although words like 'loathing' or 'bloating' could go quite well with the spirit of the post!

#4

Jericoa

Yeah, it's not only women who undergo the inevitable

Thanks for putting a smile on my face

mim

And to the above, the #7, that is, I'd like to add that different 'make ups' undergo the change at different speeds and at varying times in their lives. Just as well we are not all the same (^_^).

I know what I'm talking about. After all I'm only a twirling and gliding 55-year old and I can turn those sit spins like anybody's business, though admittedly not every time. For that I need more practice. (^_^)

(^_^) mim (^_^)

Jericoa #4

How refreshing.

Maybe the planned funeral for common sense could be deferred pending further enquiries.

#4 errata,

having just re-read it i did of course mean king Canute... put it down to over excitement and lack of food...

Hope you had a good laugh out of it anyway :)

WINDMILLS OF OUR MINDS (Circles in spirals, wheels within wheels, never ending or beginning............)

'..... We hope to be talking to Marks and Sparks' chief exec, Sir Stuart Rose, who is speaking at the CBI conference today about ways out of the recession.'

Well that looks like being a short interview. It will doubtless borrow much from the hapless and feckless Viv Nicolson story and follow the structure of recent government policy announcements .............
SPEND SPEND SPEND.

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#4 Jericoa

Sorry but I don't remember the ice age, perhaps Barrie might.

ICE AGES ARE LIKE ANGLO-AFGHAN WARS (#12)

Which one?

DID YOU NOTICE THE CLIMATE CHANGING?

Great reporting Newsnight. Behind Prof. Singer, in an anonymous London (?) street, the perceptive viewer could just see the climate changing, even as he wasted his breath.
And Susan was lucky not to be engulfed by sea-level rise.

You've all done very well.

HE KEPT SAYING 'LISTEN' HMMMMMMM

Why does a man (Stuart Rose) keep saying 'listen'? Is it the verbal lash of a tyrant, applied not to gain attention, but - well - because he can (lash)? Or is it a clue that behind the uber-dominant exterior, he FEARS NOT BEING LISTENED TO? Does he write in black felt-pen by any chance?

PS Did you notice McShane's trainers? I don't think I want to even go there. I have always found McShane a complete - utter - politician.

My own views on climate change, CO2, ecological systems are so different to what the media put in the mainstream I wont even explain them. One could get modded for excessive linage.

But.

Unlike any of the people on Newsnight tonight I was one of the 200 scientists at the conference to set up the current generation of UK climate models.

Though the scientific brief we were sent was it was a 'blue sky' project anything was permissible we were to bring our ideas on anything and everything. Excited I attended.

In the opening statements the only non scientific address was from the man from DEFRA. Who funded the project.

He wanted the new generation of climate models to be consistent with the existing Hadley centre models and for us to find the correlation between CO2 and climate change. He only held the purse strings and had nothing to do with the science

There were only 200 scientists there. Susan Watts or any other journalist did not attend. Obviously I am not as qualified to express an opinion as anyone on NN, being my only qualification was actually being there.

Celtic Lion

TEST YOUR MP WITH THE 'QUANTITATIVE ABSTENTION' QUESTION. (#2)

There is not one viable argument for denying an extra box on General Election voting slips, labelled: ABSTAIN - abstentions to be COUNTED and reported.
Yet Both my MP (Richard Benyon) and LibDem MP for Lewes (Norman Baker)told me, flatly, to spoil my paper. Clearly, the self-protecting Westminster Citadel does not mean us to turn out, in devastating numbers, to declare an effective vote of no-confidence, so it contrives to brand any who do 'PAPER SPOILERS'. No Blogdog-proof words can describe my feelings about such A DISHONOURABLE stance.

Ask YOUR MP to support a QUANTIFIABLE ABSTENTION BOX and report their reply to the local newspaper/populace at large. The allowances spat was minor compared to the depth of undemocracy these weasels preside over AND PROTECT.

THE ROAD TO NOWHERE (#14 additional)

Would any NN blogger stand in the road - hanging on a link - just because it is 'edgy' journalism? We have all seen Alan (Sweetie) Sugar utter a profanity, and turn from an interview he had 'gone off', but do the Ö÷²¥´óÐã have, on record, any dignitaries, senior politicians or intelligencia, who have told them 'where to put it', when asked to stand in the road/wind/rain for no good reason? Compliance is JUVENILE, and points up the (serially bemoaned) problem, with modern humanity. Small wonder these elevated ones gat little right.

God grant there might be just ONE dissenter.