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On electoral reform, I have to say that living in a safe Tory seat, I voted tactically LibDem @ the last election.

I had absolutely no idea that the LibDems would give house room to the idea of going well beyond "liberal" politics into the realm of libertarian fantasy land.

I've therefore resolved never to vote for them ever again. This is because they clearly mislead me - and I'd say probably more than half the people who voted for them.

Clegg claims he had to change his view on spending cuts - fair enough if he did this AFTER the election - we now know there was a plan in place to support the Osborne cuts agenda BEFORE the polls, but Clegg didn't tell us he was ditching his manifesto commitment on this.

Then we have tuition fees - again, firm manifesto commitment plus personal pledges - again Clegg might have a case to say that post-election the state of the public finances left him no choice - AGAIN we now know from leaked party documents that Clegg intended to ditch this promise too BEFORE the poll - again he didn't admit to his conversion to trebling fees in time for us to take this into account.

Then there are a wholoe host of other Tory policies Clegg has supported that run flatly counter to their manifesto - Cable is a toothless watchdog in BIS on banking, etc.

We are now being asked to go along with the proposed limited reform, not full blown PR. My instincts are for a fairer system - probably a full national PR system so that smaller parties would get representatives, but with a threshold designed to keep the fascists, etc out.

However the option we are being asked to vote on, in my view would simply cement Clegg and his payroll vote into government for ever more - which I now consider to be the nightmare scenario for democracy in the UK.

Therefore I will vote NO.

And given that the LibDems have by definition proved to be untrustworthy by failing to state their 180 degree policy changes before polling day, our household is on formal boycott of the LibDems - we turn off any LibDem MP on the TV/radio, we throw all literacture straight on the fire and we don't read any article/quotes in the papers or on line.

Sounds petty & childish? You'd be surprised - all our friends & colleagues know we're boycotting and the movement has spread quite widely. One of my kids was in class when politics came up and he explained our boycott - virtually every kid in the class agreed and told their parents - the other kid has started a campaign at her University which is rapidly gathering support - and spreading to other Unis. LibDem activists are now struggling to get anyone to listen to them - and as a "nice" party where a lot of young people went for their introduction to party politics, this really hurts.

Clegg deliberately deceived us - until he is no longer the leader of the LibDems, we're going to go on boycotting his party and encouraging others to do so too.

I assume that failing on the PR vote plus taking a lot of the blame for the cuts/fee rises is going to hole the LibDems below the waterline at the council elections, so I'd say all this adds up to Clegg and the payroll vote being found nice safe Tory seats at the next general election after thier own rank ^ file revolt.

Clegg has as much chance of getting us to vote for this limited form of PR as turkeys voting for Bernard Matthews.

THE DEATH OF LOGIC.

God sends 'life' and the Pope says it must not be prevented; God sends a deadly virus and the Pope says it's OK to stop it.

LibDems say coalition causes all pledges to fall, honourably, but they seem to think the underlying mandate to govern, conferred by the same votes, still honourably stands.

Is it me? Have Bears now got indoor plumbing?

ANY CHANCE OF VISITING THE CURSE OF CRICK ON CREDIT AGENCIES?

My financial affairs are simple. However, from time to time I am stopped dead in my tracks, making a purchase (debit card!) or opening a bank account. This is because CALLCREDIT hold false information, generated by their own error.

It puzzles me that Britain in 2010 allows private agencies to compile data on citizens, WITHOUT ROUTINE DISCLOSURE for checking by the subject, UNLESS A FEE IS PAID.

Might Crikey could pop round to EXPERIEN, EQUIFAX AND CALLCREDIT, to put the fear of gumshoe up them? This is not time for a novice.

more Mr Bean than Mr Bond?

..MI6 agents were responsible for promoting an impostor who they believed was a senior Taliban commander key to the Afghan peace process.



other reports have him as a pakistani shopkeeper?

seems a collapse in morale over torture, resignations and staff applying to join australisn SIS are having an effect on operations?

IS THERE A NO 'NO TO THE NO-CAMPAIGN' CAMPAIGN?

This referendum is the oldest trick in the oldest book. We only get one referendum; it should be on PR, AS THE LIBERALS AND LIB/DEMS PROMISED - should they come to power. (Or was it a pledge?) We have had SO MANY stunts pulled on us like this, by the Westminster Monster. Look at tobacco - once again, found to be harmful. Doh! Successive governments have chucked the dopey electorate bits of widely-spaced legislation, all PRIMARILY designed to keep smoking going for as long as inhumanly possible, for tax and party-donor reasons.

Do they think we are stupid? No! THEY KNOW WE ARE STUPID. (And the EU GROWS the stuff on a subsidy).

Oh - it's all so awfully civilised.

..Putin warns pipelines under threat from EU laws..



you know its winter when russia plays the pipeline card. the uk has 11 days gas supply while those in europe have at least 100 days. So the uk will crumple first.

Speculators are holding lpg gas on tankers out at sea till the price goes up and gas companies bill rises wack up their profits by 30%. not that we are being exploited or anything. the free market is 'working'. But not for the public. The 'free' market is working in delivering profits.

SURELY THE 'EVER CLOSER' EU STATES WILL SHARE THE GAS WITH US? (#6)

They wouldn't watch us freeze or grind to an industrial halt. We are Britain - we are AT THE HEART OF EUROPE. And Dave, is deeply loved around the globe.

"Happiness, happiness" - all join in.

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the 'little people' have no rights over their own identities.

credit agencies are big paying players in parliament with a long history of trying to get your data for free which they then sell back to you or others regardless of if is correct or not.

They know more about us than the government does.

the grisley story is here



lobbying examples [lots out there]






the are regular scare stories [about fraud, identity theft etc] in the media that then advise people to 'regulary' check their credit file ie pay fees. even if only 10% of the population check them across all the agencies once a year that is a lot of money. Basically its a tax. 'Every little helps'.

BRITISHNESS DEFINED? (#8)

Thanks Jaunty. They are still causing me grief, 6 months after a NOTICE OF CORRECTION.

Rule of Law eh?

Bernard Matthews should have been a socialist hero for making cheap wholesome protein available to low income families, except that the left of politics has been hijacked by the animal rights and other eco-fascist leaning idiots. I suspect that the eco-fascist leaning Ö÷²¥´óÐã will concentrate on the alleged animal cruelty aspect of the Matthews operation. Also that some of his cheaper " sausage " products were deemed unhealthy by the health fascists.

The problem is that theoretical animal cruelty is defined by a set of university boffins who have never worked as farmers or been involved with poultry. The only reason they kick up a fuss is to promote false economic growth, their latest corporate money making scam being CCTV at slaughterhouses.

The problem is that most ten bob fat cat alleged socialists are stuffed full of the crap fermented in the universities and it just goes to show how stupid they are electing Millipede when he will be unelectable when the truth about the climate change scam comes out before 2015. The eco-fascists have made their plan clear, cut the UK population to 30 million by exterminating all the lower income people, starting by freezing and starving the chronically sick and disabled to death. The unemployed next and due to the 2008 Climate change act there will be plenty of them soon.

The point is that Bernard Matthews started his business from virtually nothing to employing loads of rural people and preventing corporate ethnic cleansing. If people are foolish enough to buy twizzlers when the real thing is so cheap then so what and in actual fact some people might enjoy them whatever the health fascists attempt to portray.

Excellent bit of reading at No. 1 above .....

Thereby proving the - slightly plagiarised - adage ....

“From little societies big societies do grow!’

Isn’t that just what Ol’ King Con was talking about?

Or was it something else?


The idea of ‘hi’ calibre Dims eventually becoming politically ‘re-orientated’ - as if it hasn’t already happened! - and being ordained as Con party seat sitters has already been suggested .....

But the incessant waffling - and weaving - of the Con-alition might raise further questions ....

Was Big Dim ever Big Dim?

Was Big Dim always just Prince Con?

Or did Big Dim just get Dimmer?

The way it’s all going - not really at all so terribly well - it could well be that the light will go out completely!


No! ... Wait! ....

Is that a shadowy figure on that thar yonder grassy knoll?

US shares allegedly fell off a cliff after an early close !

Crikey

Bit like the Marie Celeste here. Is this a big story for NN. All Bloggers snowed in?

'14. At 08:02am on 28 Nov 2010, LC2 wrote:
Crikey

Bit like the Mary Celeste here.

That was the empty vessel found abandoned and drifting because those aboard preferred the open sea to all on offer within her well-provisioned, if close-quartered hull, right?

Not sure if it was also uniquely funded.

At least the NN threads don't get closed at the drop of a comment that doesn't suit, so there are a few clinging to the wreckage still.

I think the vast majority of us are still tucked up in bed ;o)
Besides, the news of the day may be coming out soon (no, not X Factor/Strictly results!!!) - the latest Wikileaks!

/news/world-us-canada-11856122

CLINGING TO THE WREAKAGE (# 14/15)

To adapt an old one. I think they are all: "In their plasma palaces, clinging to their falacies."

#17

"In their plasma palaces, clinging to their falacies."



Ohh barrie you are awful, but I like you! ; )


Anybody watch Emily talking with Trump tonight?

THAT WAS LAST NIGHT (#18)

Watched trump with horror. Mammon writ large. The Scot farmer was a gem.
His suppositary cure apposite.

Just watched Blair v Hitchens on U-Tube. Nothing to choose between Church and Mammon. Both consume reason and humanity.

The world needs wisdom, but there is only a gene for cleverness, in The Ape Confused by Language.

Weep world.

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#19 Yup Barrie loved the farmer, I have been following this planning debaclé for years, he's wonderful, he is that little blight in the big mans life! I suppose at the moment the golf course is under a few feet of snow, well, hopefully. ; )

I know the scots need the work, with the oil industry declining there's little work around the Aberdeen/Menei area. But then I dare say the people now working there are all from elsewhere, europe etc. Thought it very good when Emily pointed out the whole point of these sand dunes were that they moved all the time, he's obviously never heard of shifting sand! Reminds me of a certain King Canute.

I thought Emily did quite a good job, just enough rope to hang the bloke! ; ) And his wealth seems to be on very dodgy ground (!), exactly how rich is he.