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Friday 8 July 2011

Verity Murphy | 16:47 UK time, Friday, 8 July 2011

On Newsnight tonight we ask if this is a watershed moment for British journalism with guests including writer Will Self, Heat magazine's Boyd Hilton, MumsNet co-founder Justine Roberts, former 主播大秀 director general Greg Dyke and Harriet Harman MP.

Join them and Emily Maitlis at 10.30pm.

Comments

  • Comment number 1.

    The next paragraph is part of my comment to the Daily Politics on Wednesday 06.06.11. regarding the News of the world debacl茅. It was published.


    There is a whole convoy of trucks laden with human gastric waste heading toward the air circulation aid today. The questions: Whom will duck, whom will hobble away, whom will run away and will anybody - probably not - put on the designer wellies and waterproofs and stand firm? (One approach could be 鈥淥ffense is the best defence鈥. So one could expect a lot of muck slinging today.) Any thoughts on how many more 鈥榮acrificial lambs鈥 will be put on the altar today? Another thought; Just whom is in whose pocket? One more for luck; Will Turkeys be the only living things now hesitant about Xmas Dinners?

    I now add the following ...........

    Various facets of the right wing press went to great lengths to bring down a man whom is now increasingly, and rightly, being recognised as having played a substantial part in 鈥榮aving鈥 the global economic system. One has to wonder what course of action this same press cabal will take toward the current holder of that man鈥檚 former job?

    Whom is the Puppeteer? And whom is the marionette? And did the Puppeteer need a close-at-hand assistant to ensure the marionette performed appropriately?

    Other issues: Following on from my last comment on the Daily Politics comment site;

    Does any Christmas dinner often cause such serious indigestion鈥? Could it be a chronic condition? Could it/should it be life threatening?

    In the press meeting this morning the offer was made for the public to form an opinion as to whether the right decisions were made about the employment of an certain person. It is good to know (Doh!) that that we have four more years to consider the issue before being allowed to make our decision!!!!

    A question: Just how much has a certain global structure donated to any specific UK political party? Just as important .... How much to any individual UK Politician?

    What鈥檚 that old maxim? 鈥淔ollow the money!鈥

    ................

    Will the Nn site be as open thinking as the DP site and allow this post? If you are reading this then perhaps Nn deserves to get some of it鈥檚 shrinking audience back?

    Don鈥檛 these 400 words go qui ....

    Twitter doesn鈥檛 rool. OK!

    Doh!

  • Comment number 2.

    Dear God: Harridan Harman, MumsNet Islingtonian & Leftie Will Self. No Alan - sorry: Mr. Rusbridger - again?

    You're truly on a roll. Keep it up and seal your fate.

    I hope you're watching, Mr. Patten.

  • Comment number 3.

    Yep.. the guest list all follows the plan.

    Crisis emerges.. put out your best debate surpressor until an anouncement is made (public enquiry .. meu culpa plus acouple of sacrificial lambs)...

    We are now into phase three of the newscor.... errm I mean political strategy, which is withdraw all senior people from availability to further debate / comment and when asked they will simply refer back to the ' public enquiry led by judge whomever (so long as he takes along time about it and produces a massive document).

    Hence we have an eclectic collection of authors, NGOs, only semi relevent magazine editors and a token opposition semi retired big wig to keep up appearances.

    as barrie would say.

    Its all going awfully well.

  • Comment number 4.

    As usual a panel full of lefties. No surprise there.

  • Comment number 5.

    all those saying a deregulated market forces driven energy market will arrive at the 'right result' have been proved right. If you are a shareholder that is.

    markets deliver profit not benefits to the people.

    just think of the conflict of interest between the uk having 120 days of energy storage that would protect the public from speculation swings [most believe the real price of oil is $50 after you strip out hedge funds] and the companies desire to maximise profits by remaining with the current 13 days storage.

    so the multinationals can storage uk gas in the eu when its cheap then charge us the spot price when the price gives them the most profit.

    never have so few extracted so much cash from so many since the bankers.

    given the political incompetence going long the taxpayer and the public is the safest bet the 'market' can make.

  • Comment number 6.

    To add to an earlier comment on the last thread, it does seem 'odd' does it not that Rebekah has survived despite being in charge at the heart of the worst of it.

    It does lead one to conclude that she is the key to unlocking this, how far it goes and possibly a direct link into the politics side. She should become the new focus of media attension.

  • Comment number 7.

    Harriet Harperson - nope, I won't be watching tonight.

  • Comment number 8.

    As an avowed "leftie", I have no desire to listen to failed and tainted New Labourite Ms Harperson. Nor does anyone else on right, left centre it seems. I don't want to here the opinions of Mr Self-indulgent ex heroin user* either.

    * (if you can believe it.)

    My ideal panel would be Paul Flynn, Ian Hislop and David Davis - or even the Widdy: All articulate people with a track record of intellectual honesty.

  • Comment number 9.

    If You have to have Harperson, ask her why has the Labour Party leadership, especially under Blair, been so sycophantic towards Murdoch and his minions?

    I haven't forgotten, or forgiven, this row:



    The justification was that "Mr Blair wanted to help British business where he could". How helping News International (a US business) buy an Italian media firm helped British business in any way was never explained.

  • Comment number 10.

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  • Comment number 12.

    Trolls are out tonight...

  • Comment number 13.

    David Cameron's perhaps undeniable error in judgment over hiring Coulson perhaps illustrates his failure to listen to advice on subjects like energy policy and particularly green taxes. He was warned in private about Coulson but no less than his own business secretary has publically warned him against carbon taxes etc, and the implications of religiously following the specification of the 2008 Climate Change Act. It doesn't really matter about Coulson himself, but the future of our manufacturing industry is on the line with the Climate Scam, unless action to turn the supertanker is not taken soon the damage could become permanent.

  • Comment number 14.

    'too powerfull a media'

    Can we then have a right wing 主播大秀 for a change then - twice a week would be nice - you know, for a bit of balance. If for nothing else it'll be something to wind-up the Guardian reading Alan Partridge. ah hah!

    "Hitler was nice to dogs"
    Coogan gave Paul Mcmullan a proper good verbal kicking and his sentiments (and anger) are shared by many regarding how the tabs and their hacks operate. It was a good moment. That clip may go viral.

    Big respect to Steve Coogan...even if he is a Guardian reader liberal.

  • Comment number 15.

    fantastic NN...again, one cannot go on holiday as we might miss something...sad, eh Will Self and all the rest, an excellent cast and well worthy of the license fee, where else in the world could you get coverage like this?

  • Comment number 16.

    It has been incredible to watch to insularity of the Left and its incomprehension of a world outside the confines of Islingtonian thought. What a hate-filled bunch they are; they speak for the working class, but despise them.

    The Left may have got its rocks off, but a significant proportion of the public (educated by the Left, by the way - oh, the irony) still wants what the tabloid world produces and always will.

    Have a read of this for an answer to where society's problems lie - on the Left or on the Right:

  • Comment number 17.

    Steve Coogan was boss up there with Hugh Grant, not just luvvies but clever guys, well done also to our own Michael Crick who had Cameron on the ropes at his press conference, he was like a dog with a bone and guess who the bone was?

  • Comment number 18.

    This comment was removed because the moderators found it broke the house rules. Explain.

  • Comment number 19.

    Oh the heart-rending praise from former NoW employees on the demise of a great campaigning newspaper, uncovering corruption for the public good. I was really touched. How I weep for its loss.

    And now we will no longer be able to read in its columns which footballer was playing an away game, when they really should have been playing at home.

    All at a time when British Gas coincidentally announces large price hikes. We're not daft in this country, are we?

  • Comment number 20.

    Being wary of trolls, now I know they can only emerge from one direction...

    'a watershed moment for British journalism with guests including writer Will Self, Heat magazine's Boyd Hilton, MumsNet co-founder Justine Roberts, former 主播大秀 director general Greg Dyke and Harriet Harman MP.

    Rounded Newsnighty... rounded.

    Speaking of guests, before this watershed moment ebbs, might we get back Mr. Prescott and Mr. Campbell (or more outraged journalists from media whose ethics can be selective) to further develop the arguments they were given so much time and airspace to articulate...



    ?

    So I don't have to keep going elsewhere to find out other pertinent aspects to add context to their 'views'. You know, for balance.

    And speaking of watersheds, I see from the dawn patrol mea culpa moment that is Newswatch that the end may be in sight for this epic tale, and the Middle East may return to the frame, with many heavy hitters flying back to be told by translators what to tell us.

    Was a bit surprised to hear a boss man deal in 'corners' mind. I thought the whole point was to studiously avoid them, no matter which 'side'.

    /iplayer/episode/b012g19v/Newswatch_08_07_2011/?t=7m40s

    Sort of clarified, but an interesting media mindset at play let slip.


  • Comment number 21.

  • Comment number 22.

    "A watershed moment for British journalism"?

    Let's remember that British journalism isn't just based in Islington, Westminster and Wapping. We have a vibrant regional press which by and large avoids the excesses and pretentiousness of the nationals.

    In Wales we have the Western Mail, plus various evening papers. This is mirrored throughout the UK.

    Todays editorial in the Yorkshire Post gives a flavour of real peoples concerns.



    You would have done well to have had a regional newspaper editor on Newsnight last night, rather than merely representatives of the London chattering classes. Perhaps, to get more in touch with the real world, you should ALL move to Salford?

    @16 "Islingtonian thought" is NOT "the Left"! It's just a self-indulgent section of the establishment, who, all too often, like to have their cake and eat it! (And preach to everyone else.)

  • Comment number 23.

  • Comment number 24.

    Steve - the basher -Coogan on Newsnight.

  • Comment number 25.

    "MumsNet co-founder Justine Roberts" You forgot to say and wife of the Deputy Editor of The Guardian.

  • Comment number 26.

    '25.At 13:10 9th Jul 2011, MaggieL wrote:'

    "MumsNet co-founder Justine Roberts" You forgot to say and wife of the Deputy Editor of The Guardian.


    Oh, for heaven's sake. Context seems a bit too selective these days. You can't get any political person not on the 主播大秀 'you've been good list' without the 'extreme right wing' tag, whereas any research outfit or think tank or journo or 'lady we just met' turns out to be preety darn partial... without any hint.

  • Comment number 27.

  • Comment number 28.

    "The bitter truth is that no major figure in British public life was prepared to take on and expose the Murdoch newspaper empire." This is dynamite - very strong language from the Telegraph: effectively assassination from the right. The worms are turning.

    Note the particular attack on George Osborne. There are a couple of sub-agendas here, I suspect. Did "someone close to" a Tory cabinet minister brief Peter Oborne?

  • Comment number 29.

  • Comment number 30.

    #28

    Such a balanced article does seem rather out of place in the Telegraph.

    Interesting.

    Not looking good for NI, the trouble with operating as they have done is it relies on maintaining control (as strongly implied in your link).

    Their power comes from and is maintained by that control, as such it is often strongly resented and there will be a big queue of folks formerly seemingly aligned with NI whom will recognise this as a unique opportunity and also relish the prospect of turning the tables even if that means going outside thier usual parameters.

    That would seem to be the case with the Telegraph article and, while being no fan of the telegraph we can be allies for the brief time that our goals are aligned.

    Bit like the press version of ww2 aliances really, we can go back to being 'enemies' again once this job of work is done.



  • Comment number 31.

    Are we seeing a resurgence of Integrity and Egalitarianism in the UK?

    First bankers playing, frankly, just plain daft gambling games with _our_ money - lacking integrity (and competence) - screwed up the economy for everybody. They got the public ire they deserved - but this is still not resolved.

    Second MPs, lacking integrity and thinking they were above the law and above public scrutiny, took the public's money without doing any work for it through fraudulent 'abuse' of the expenses system - but didn't really pay a big enough price despite a few of them going to jail.

    Third, grubby gutter-press journalists lacking integrity and prepared to do anything in pursuit of profit and personal advancement provoked public contempt enough to bring down a newspaper and force the government to a public enquiry. It also fundamentally upset the power relationship and demonstrated that newspaper owners are subservient to public will and subject to the law - not above it. But the consequences have still to be worked out.

    Fourth the police outraged public sensibility by killing an innocent newspaper seller through heavy-handed tactics in the policing of public protest - and were held to account and found to be not above the law. And then they demonstrate incredible incompetence in not being able to find such a mountain of evidence of journalist illegality until it was published in a newspaper. The obvious suspicion is that they didn't want to look to closely into their friends and paymasters - lacking the integrity to do their job properly.

    So are we seeing the public demand or integrity in our institutions being made manifest - and that the individuals holding power should be equal before the law?

    And which institution is next? The energy industry perhaps?

  • Comment number 32.

    @30 Jericoa - I have had nearly 40 years on the periphery of politics. (I first went out canvassing at the age of 19 - for Ted Heath in Feb '74 - I soon changed my mind!)

    One of the things I have always found to be true is that, to paraphrase Harold Macmillan, there is a great difference in politics between 'opponents' and 'enemies'. Of course, there is a similar difference between 'colleagues' and 'friends' - I found that out as a Labour Party activist for two decades.

    Oborne (he's worth Googling) seems to be that relatively rare creature, an intellectually honest political pundit. After his Damascene conversion, so was Matthew Parris. In the Labour Party, Robin Cook and Rhodri Morgan were always the opposite of apparatchiks.

    It's the difference between promoting a view of what society should be like, versus winning at all costs. In the '90s, Labour Party members chose the latter option, only to find that victory on such terms wasn't worth having.

  • Comment number 33.

    And the 主播大秀 is as bad as any newspaper.....

  • Comment number 34.

    #32

    Yes I can see that now (looked up Oborne).. does beg the question what 'an intellectually honest pundit' is doing working for the Telegraph .... did he get lost on the way to the Guardian :)

    'Opponent' would better describe my sentiment toward the Telegraph.



    #31

    I often think the 'easiest' quickest answer to start on the road to re-balancing the chronic economic woes would be to nationalise the energy industry, extractive industries, banking and staple food production sectors thus taking power away from non elected profit making organisations in the areas critical for our basic needs.

    Some things are just too important to be left outside the direct reach of the electorate as they have the material clout (and motivation) to influence that democratic process.

  • Comment number 35.

    David Cameron was right. 'We're all in it together."

    All the kings horses....

  • Comment number 36.

    richard, i've replied to last week, at last! (sorry).
    /blogs/newsnight/fromthewebteam/2011/07/friday_1_july_2011.html?postid=109640854

    -----

    press inquiry: i think "Lord Hugh Grant" should be on that panel. Its a pity it's not Judicial, but maybe it'll be good enough not to need a judicial inquiry later on. [coughs] Still, i'm sure there has been very little hidden connections between the Press, and senior Party politicians and officials. Lolz.

    amelia, you see my friends desert me,
    you do not want me: all i want is honesty
    talk to me, tell me what is happening.
    what more do we have to lose?
    how many people could have a whole TV show say how much they loved?
    you do not want me, let another,
    tell me, and release me from this spell
    help me move on with what remains of my life.
    please.


    as kirsty said: rebekah brooks is intended to be murdoch's sacrifice goat, before his final attempt to buy Sky. That is why she has been saved.

    poor woman. "Family", eh!?? Guess some are more loving than others.


    miliband in the "phone-hacking debate": have you EVER seen a more opportunistic politician, let alone "leader"???!

    miliband will call for the removal of Brooks, but not an actual Murdoch. He's a coward.

    - she is a strong and beautiful woman, she would have been superb working for a moral boss. Rebekah doesn't deserve this.


    "he was given a second chance" - the current spin-phrase from cameron's 'doctors'. Expect to hear it a lot.

    as so often, the amazing Pilger is ahead of the current curve:



    night.

  • Comment number 37.

    btw, the *best* short video of britishness has been removed from the net by the 主播大秀. It is the clip of the crew from Goodness Gracious Me, sing "We're so British", as a mock Eurovision entry. The funniest thing is, it would win hands down if they entered it for real - and its simply that no other European country could make something so perfect in that oh-so-unique self-biting UK humour.




    the sexualisation of the UK:



    these women deserve the full protection of the law, not to be further marginalised and illegalised.


    ...

  • Comment number 38.

    murdoch:




    comment #7

  • Comment number 39.

    NHS 拢Billions sent abroad.....



  • Comment number 40.

    and the old 主播大秀 TV Centre is in a bid battle between Google, Facebook & Twitter!

  • Comment number 41.

    "The Sun On Sunday"? This is going to be fun!



    Wupert will not be pleased: he tried suing Skype once. claiming that he owned the 'Sky' part of its name. Perhaps he'll sue Japan next?

  • Comment number 42.

    Steve Coogan -someone who finally said what he meant and meant what he said - MORE PLEASE!

    He spoke for every reasonable, responsible and decent person in the country - for too long anyone criticising tabloid culture has been demonised and marginalised as eccentric, axe grinding, loony left or a womens' libber - or even more insulting if you think about it, a "spoil sport". In NOTW we have had endless handringing over the sexual abuse of children and young women, cheek by jowl with stories and pictures of naked young women - cause & effect write large. Celebs often pander to papers like NOTW, but not all of them - Coogan's outrage at the way he was treated personally reveals just how out of control tabloid journalism is.

    IMHO Brooks is James Cameron's shield - if she goes, he's left exposed as the Chairman of News International - so she stays - despite being the legally registered Editor of NOTW when the hacking (allegedly) took place, whether she knew or not, she must carry the can for what went on.

    It also means that her head +some others can be offered by NewsCorp as "cleaning out" their management if OFCOM does the right thing and deems them not "fit people" to own a broadcasting license.

    As stated by the Press Complaints Commission's boss, NI "lied" to the PCC about what went on, and as stated by the policeman responsible for the first investigation, he "failed" the public. Now we know money was paid to the police and we know that the police are investigating numerous allegations of otehr hacking.

    Therefore if you compare what NI said to the PCC with what the new investigation reveals, IMHO there is a VERY good chance that there will be a case to answer that NI conspired to lie and mislead the PCC systematically over at least a decade.

    If this is that case - pure specualtion on my part right now - then it would seem to me that OFCOM has no choice but to deem NewsCorp unsuitable to own BSkyB on this evidence - and even their current level of equity holding may be in question.

  • Comment number 43.

    knew I was witnessing a classic NN moment when Steve Coogan duffed up Paul, the so called journo chaired by Kirsty...so good it has massive hits on Youtube...nice one,NN

  • Comment number 44.

    Allegations

    I have never heard so much speculation, on as yet ,unproven allegations. I hope the police get to the bottom of this matter once and for all.

    It will also be interesting to see if the enquiry into press ethics will include the allegations raised in Mr Jonathan Boyd Hunts book 鈥淭rial by Conspiracy鈥. Actually some of the coverage this week left me with a feeling of deja vu.

    The one hundred and sixty thousand signatures mentioned by Mr Crick -
    I believe a activists web site claims this , but the alleged comments by a Canadian Minister back in 2008 puts me off such a blanket acceptance of such a claim and therefore I would urge that the names on any received petition or stencil letters be independently verified, given the internationalist nature of the web site involved.

    The decision on the NI and BSKYB merger should be put on hold until the police can substantiate some of the more serious allegations which would effect the merger bid. This need not take long , as the difference between the burden of proof needed for a criminal conviction or of knowing there is a real case for further investigation are of quite different magnitudes.



    Away from the Media Wars. In a Far, Far Away Galaxy Called the EU.

    The Eurozone crisis rumbles on.
    From what I have been reading , a ECB interest rate increase caused the value of the Euro to fall , the ECB has had to lower it lending standard after Portugal's rating was downgraded to junk by one rating agency, France's idea of lenders (French and German Banks) rolling over Euro members debts has been flagged as a possible technical default by another rating agency ,Italy's borrowing costs are increasing and the EU nationalists have been threatening the very people the struggling members of the Euro Club are wanting to borrow more money from.

    I am sure the above can be spun a different way , but the effects are .

  • Comment number 45.

    observation itself changes the behaviour of what is observed
    that is one core problem of behaviourism.
    - observing animals in zoo, to learn "natural" behaviour;
    the totem behaviourist cant.

    others are the goals of behaviourism
    to perfect others to their beliefs
    a mechanistic, if liberal(!), society;
    enforced happiness, to the Planners design.

    a part of High Modernism, where rot spreads outward
    we knoe best, we born to rule, we lucky vanguard
    High Priests of a religion now mocked by Physicists;
    'Only matter we are, clay to be moulded'.

    no Soul, no Spark, no Rebirth, no Heaven,
    also no conservative notion of inherited Grace,
    but advantages to those already with power
    for "the masses" can be controlled
    power-bases secured
    media owned, centralised information
    food, water, electricity, transport owned, life-support
    social-bearing of costs - Bailouts - "too big to fail".

    Life requires Order and Chaos
    too much Chaos, things disintegrate
    too much Order, things stagnify.
    the Balance is always maintained;
    the Pendulum swings back the other way.

    democracy is structured Chaos, it is the Individual
    born and raised to their own potential,
    a gift to all Society, a Benefit to all Society;
    for a Society is built of the Quality --- of *ALL* the citizens.

    the Citizens of a place are all those who live there,
    born there, are blessed with the greater feel for it, its history
    and its affect upon their own development.
    citizens include the young, prisoners, the Elderly, and foreign born;
    if or when you were one of these groups, weren't *you* a person too?

    beware those who seek too much Chaos, for they will bring too much Order in their wake;
    beware also those who seek too much Order, for from them always comes much Chaos.

    the false order of the Behaviourists, the laboratory Status they crave,
    creates turbulent Chaos in what they are observing, weakening data
    shaky theories built upon sand, towers of magnificent ivory glass,
    rejecting the Humanity of Humanity; their attempted Control brings Chaos.

    Human experience as guinea-pigs, every behaviour mapped
    but always behind the curve.
    evolution seeks other channels; it is the fire in water,
    it is the land, it is the air, it is the water in fire.
    it is the Chaotic core of every living thing.
    and we are its own mirrors.


    we must stop spying on each other, and trying to control everything. And that goes for parents, as much as for some politicians, police, teachers, and psychologists. En-caged animals rarely turn out well.

  • Comment number 46.

    eurozone crisis:

    拢, $ & E are all in the fertiliser, because of the activities of the same groups - the multi-national banksters. They are gambling that they are worth more to the "'Conomy, stupid" than the actual currencies we use. They are doing this for a range of reasons, personal greed, and frankly far too much power.

    the EU, and even its individual member States must completely clean up the Bankster system, regenerate a clean, moral and (vaguely) truthful banking sector. It is noticeable the financial systems are collapsing precisely as the EU itself makes moves on banking regulation. This is a power struggle: who is in charge?

    the EU has taken a lot of money - but most of that money came back directly into the UK as investment, look it up. The 拢Banksters cruised off with hundreds, thousands of billions of 拢s, and shoved the lot into tax-havens. I'd trust the EU regulators over the banksters any day of the week.

    now the banksters are willing to destroy not only the entire Euro project - but also the EU itself, to maintain their privileges, and the political classes, at the National as well as the supra-National level, simply don't have the gumption to stand up to them. Shame really, European peace is beneficial to us all, but i guess the Banksters are ultimately more important. What's a global financial crisis, collapse of a major currency, destruction of the painstaking work of generations of European and American Statesmen, and quite probably new catastrophic wars when compared to Johnny Banker raking in the 拢bns for his corrupt, bonus-driven lifestyle?

    i mean seriously c'mon, put it into perspective here. I'm sure the Greeks have.

  • Comment number 47.

    A heartrending story (of an olive grower) from Greece: Those who are productive can't afford to live.

  • Comment number 48.

    #47 and #46


    Mashing together Mindy's stream of consciousness and the story of the Greek olive grower I would observe thus.

    Georgio may yet have the last laugh, the meek shall inherit the earth.

  • Comment number 49.

    SORRY I'M LATE - BEEN AWAY (NOT READ THE THREAD YET - LOOKSLIKE A FEAST)

    As you all know, I get into trouble with JJ-Fivenames for scrutinizing personality. But my scrutiny suggest an answer to two question.
    1) As I posted before, Rupert M might well have killed the NOTW simply in juvenile rage.
    2) Rebekah might have laid a foundadtion for lasting approval.

    In the end, it all comes down to personalities and animal behaviour.

  • Comment number 50.

    AM I BEING NAIVE?

    Is it possible Rupert leaned on Dave to hire Coulson? Rupert's gain obvious, and Dave's inability to listen to warnings also explained.

  • Comment number 51.


    Italy and Spain must pray for a miracle



    "We believe the European sovereign crisis might be entering a new phase with contagion reaching the larger economies," said Jacques Cailloux, chief Europe economist at RBS.

    "It is unclear to us how this latest negative shock to confidence is going to be undone in the absence of a 'shock and awe' policy response."



    Liam Halligan: The West is in for a rude awakening after years of abusing 'risk-free' debt

  • Comment number 52.


    'As you all know, I get into trouble with JJ-Fivenames for scrutinizing personality.........

    In the end, it all comes down to personalities and animal behaviour.'

    So China and Iran have just been lucky then?

  • Comment number 53.

    ODD - THE BLOGDOG IS VERY JUMPY (#50)

    I simply pondered a possible direct Cameron-Murdoch solution to the question of why Dave hired Coulson against wide advice not to.

  • Comment number 54.

    #51

    Blimey .. thats three good articles in the Telegraph I have read from links on here now.

    Geeze things must be bad.

  • Comment number 55.

    THAT CAMERON - SEWER SYMBIOSIS (#28 link)

    I have listed before the damning aspects of Cameron's character: the prettified poster-image, the heinous vilification of Clegg in the NO campaign, and the genesis of the Conservative 'Liar Flyer' - a 'false instrument' in law. This is our PM.

    ONLY IN WESTMINSTER is such a CV a mark of success and validity.

    DISMANTLE WESTMINSTER - EXORCISE THE ETHOS - BECAUSE WE ARE WORTH IT

  • Comment number 56.

    '53. At 22:42 10th Jul 2011, barriesingleton wrote:
    ODD - THE BLOGDOG IS VERY JUMPY (#50)


    Regulation. An interesting thing. Folk find fault; the 'system' is compelled to react.

    Luckily, in this case, the 'fault' was found groundless. With refreshing speed, too.

    Maybe that is the new extra oversight set of the future.

    Whatever anyone shares gets immediately put on hold and bumped up through various levels until the correct person makes the correct decision.

    Then we all get to see it.

    Or not. Or for a veeeeery long time.

    Maybe best not to have an opinion at all.

    It's 'better' that way.

  • Comment number 57.

    This comment was removed because the moderators found it broke the house rules. Explain.

  • Comment number 58.


    This is a must read piece in the Guardian on the phone hacking scandal...

    Focus of phone-hacking investigation shifts to Les Hinton


    It looks like the sting against Vince Cable by the Telegraph in December last year may backfire big time on whoever was really behind it.

    Why would The Telegraph have exposed Cable's comments considering that they were against their major competitor in the UK and in their favour?

    Conspiracies anyone?

  • Comment number 59.

    COMPLEXITY THEORY (#58)

    As I have posted before (and as ongoing 9/11 discovery underlines) it is necessary to look behind the official story at least to the third under-layer.

    When asked my three priorities for discovering the truth I say they are: "inspection, inspection, inspection". St Blair of Jerusalem is down to - at least - the third layer of illusion. AND JUST LOOK AT THE NUMBER WHO CONSPIRED WITH HIM!

  • Comment number 60.

    #57

    oooh dear .. I appear to have hit the nail on the head.....

  • Comment number 61.

    @60 Retell as a fairytale in an imaginary world? ;-D

  • Comment number 62.

    THE DELIVERY AND IMPOSITION OF SILENCE - ANOTHER SCOUNDREL REFUGE? (#60)

    It would seem so Jericoa.

    The 主播大秀 is silent across a range of contentious issues, so no surprise that silencING is 'required' here. Perhaps under Lord Patten the 主播大秀 will be rebranded 'Veritas' or 'Truth' or even Pravda?

    These three precepts abide: INFORM EDUCATE ENTERTAIN - but I say unto you: the greatest of these is ENTERTAIN.

  • Comment number 63.

    This comment was removed because the moderators found it broke the house rules. Explain.

  • Comment number 64.

    #61

    It seems even fairly tales need careful consideration in such times..(#61).

    I will try the guardian blogs ..see if i have more luck.

  • Comment number 65.

    Potentially corrupt police officers cannot be allowed to investigate allegations of their own corruption:



    Jenny Jones said:

    "I will be asking the Commissioner to reassure the public that all the officers involved in Operation Weeting and Operation Elveden have clean hands and have not received payments or gifts for information from journalists and investigators in the past."

    Just follow the money everyone. The trail will lead to all the answers.

  • Comment number 66.

    The power of free markets to deliver cost efficiences鈥nd a good day/scandal during which to bury bad news for consumers.

    British Gas raises prices by 18pc

  • Comment number 67.

    #64 Jericoa

    Yes, I've had short shrift in terms of rejecting many of posts recently. Feel free to add any comments on here (should accept annonymous comments):



    I'm planning to put up a post on this topic soon so would welcome any corroborating views even on off-topic threads.

  • Comment number 68.

    #64

    The guardian has published it under my alias.

  • Comment number 69.

    DAVE SPEAKS WITH FORKED TONGUE (#55 extension)

    "I cannot think what was going through the minds of the people who did this."

    WELL IF DAVE CAN'T THINK . . .

    Clearly the fundamental problem is the WESTMINSTER ETHOS that elevates the likes of Dave, and taints media, police, advertising, sales, law and on down to the bottom.

    WE HAVE GOT OURSELVES ANOTHER ONE

  • Comment number 70.

    Jericoa

    below is the permalink to your comment (it goes directly to it)



    Good post btw (I must admist I was having similar thoughts along your lines of thought, but is it just a charade/distraction from more serious economic dangers to the neo-con establishment)

  • Comment number 71.

    #67

    Excellent piece in your link Hawkeye.

    I think the account in your link is nearer to the truth!

    There are parallels of this 'story' with the Watergate scandal in the US all those years ago. Now remind me who was it that broke that story???

    I believe the West was experiencing a similar economic collapse at around that time as well if I am not mistaken.

  • Comment number 72.

    On the whole, the 主播大秀 is reluctant to go against the establishment. It has always been so. Also, Murdoch has been trying to wreck/dismantle the Beeb for a long time, and, according to Oborne, he still has powerful allies in this government. (Of course, he had powerful allies in the last govt too.)

    The Beeb is running scared, and for good reason. It is under attack, but can't be seen to counter-attack, except by Freudian slip, as in the unfortunate incident of Mr Naughtie-Word.

  • Comment number 73.

    #65 H_P wrote

    "Just follow the money everyone. The trail will lead to all the answers."

    Murdoch was clutching onto Brooks like his life depended on it (during that short walk to the restaurent yesterday evening).

    She is the weakest link to Murdoch and his empire.

    If the police force, as a whole, are to extricate themselves from this unholy mess, then they should appoint an outside police force (i.e. not the Met) to arrest her immediately for a full and thorough interrogation.

    I think Yates was once bitten and twice shy (remember Blair/Levy's 'cash-for-honours').

    Mason describes it as 'manufactured consent'.

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